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Hello

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I prefer to replace-in slot that are being pushed on than universally townread from my, will do my read today

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I prefer to replace-in slot that are being pushed on than universally townread from my pred**, will do my read today

EBWODP

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hm the game is in a shit state, 2 mason dead and we probably dont have too much pr left by setup meta

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implying you scumread us both but keye is your 1st sr ?

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FTR this is meta but i have never seen elena replace-out as scum and this is the reason why i took her replacement slot while not reading the game, the game being in such a bad position and the leading wagon on town doesnt surprise me one bit

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this games looks pretty inactive too, i posted this morning and no content, i bet its because scum has no reason to move their ass and do something about the gamestate : )

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70 pages in a month, this is going to be annoying for me since im a spam poster

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I normally try to make a username joke vote or something.

But nothing is popping out at me as even marginally funny.

VOTE: Jaack

Serious vote.

This can hang right now.

Unlike the vanity wagon on Magna, I've caught scum on p1.

Dude is trying too hard to be nonchalant when he's obviously totally chalant.

Read post 11 out loud. Nobody actually talks like that. Constructed post is constructed.

Killify Jaack for great justice.

I agree wagons are fun let's start one shall we?

If you loved wagons so much why didn’t you make a vote to start one originally?

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Wagon on Key won't tell us much. Last game I played with him he flailed hard when being wagoned and selfvoted at L-1 without claiming his role (he was town tracker)

So basically “He once flailed so he can’t be scum”?

VOTE: Mattblack

Scum found … call me Day 2 if I survive the night.

funny because i got mirroring tells from both of those gut reads, especially the matt one

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with a shitty vote like that nobody is going to kill you

lol and i got chainsaw pings but theyre both masons

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From pages 1-4

the sheep vs barley interactions:
knowing one of those fliped, its normal that how i view the exchanges that my opinion is baised but i do undertand how barley got fosed over sheep there, he also retracted his reads just cause he was pushed

VOTE: magna

I'm good with a magna wagon.

also @TF if hes hanging out in deadthread that its just a bad idea to chainsaw your mason partner sub 4 pages when magna's reason on matt is valid

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Keyenpeydee being on your wagon is why I'm not.

i understood as that you would be on my wagon if keye wouldnt be and you scumreading keye over me seemed like the logical answer

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I'm actually kinda waffley on my Elena read. I wanna scumread her... but I always wanna scumread her, so I tend to overcompensate by fighting the urge to scumread her... if that makes sense.

for having playing with her for years, i know exactly what you mean and you aren the only one but you know my town and scum play so i expect that you will eventually read me correctly regardless of elenas play

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page 3-6

Magna's first reason to fos matt was objectively correct even if the flip was wrong, i didnt like how he then semi coasted and fliped his reads while shading barley

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Now I disagree with magna' original reasons for his push but he seemed to believe them. His vote change to me is bad because he just flushed that conviction down the toilet for even worse reasoning.

That's why I'm saying without a shadow of a doubt magna is scum. He gave up something he believed in for something non AI. Town just doesn't do that.

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Scum have this little thing call being the informed minority. You might have heard of it. Who is in the best position to talk against what they think can be framed as a bad wagon / action / pressure what have you? Scum. Town don’t know for certain that the player isn’t scum on page 1. Speaking out strongly isn’t going to backfire on Scum (and yes, I’m ignoring Multiball concerns for the moment) and make them look bad. Is it a smoking gun? Of course not. But for page 2 it’s certainly enough to press on.

Your concept, if I understand it correctly, is only scum is likely to have been able to assess that the wagon was 'bad' and so he white knighted sorta/revealed his inside information with too strong of a stance?

Also – a single game instance is not meta. Furthermore meta as used on MS is pretty much junk. So framing that as “a Town meta read” is just bad.

I didn't say whether it was quality or non-quality meta, I said he presented a meta read - and that is objectively factual whether or not you agree with it.

The fact that he is still floating around and saying he "can't make the effort" doesn't make me feel too wrong on that count.

I do give you agreement points here.

@Two-Face - I agree with Magna, willingness to die is not actually a good town playstyle. You're supposed to make scum fight for those mislynches, not play along with them.

tone of this post looks like superficial objective bullshit scum always plays on

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So I’m wondering where Matt went … he did post elsewhere on site yesterday but not here. Need content from that slot since he’s basically done nothing.

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@Magna 2F's interactions have been pretty suspect. What would be your top pick for a scum partner of 2F?

My top scum pick besides TwoFace is your slot which you should have picked up on that based on your re-read. That’s of course independent of partnership concerns which pre-flip I don’t think make too much sense. I’ll get a better read on you I think in the coming days.

Here’s my wagon –

MagnaofIllusion: Elena Fisher, mattblackguy, TwoFace, BlueBloodedToffee, Cooperative Sheep

Maybe there is two scum there maybe not. Elena has posted really nothing alignment indicative and BBT is playing as I expect – to not make any waves which is regardless of his alignment. He lives too long and never finds scum and BoP is biting him in the ass so I’m not even bothering trying to sort him as of now.

Matt makes the most sense as a partner on wagon given that TwoFace started effectively chainsawing for him the second I voted and pushed Matt. But that’s basically between himself and Sheep. It would not shock me if either BBT or Elena were scum. So no strong read there.

Off the wagon Boon and Momo are complete empty slots and no way to judge them. And nothing about the way Grey, Key and Jaack have approached my wagon is super telling either. Roll the dice? Maybe Key with the way it looks like he’s trying to softly reign in TwoFace. Not really solid but best I have for page 7.

MagnaofIllusion: Elena Fisher, mattblackguy, TwoFace, BlueBloodedToffee, Cooperative Sheep

You find it amusing? I find it blacklist worthy …

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Town talk about bad wagons all the time, even as early as page 1/2. It's a crap reason to push on and you are experienced enough to know that. So you acting like you don't know that is why you need rope. You are near confirmed scum to me now.

No … not really. Matt talked about how a wagon on Keyen could not possibly be useful based on a 1 game meta read while Key had exactly 2 votes. That’s not a wagon. I’ve already discussed how there was every possibility that a wagon on Key might have provided useful information.

What’s his Town motivation to try to pre-emptively derail a possible RVS wagon (which rarely go to lynch since most reasonable people know it is just for reactions) that might yield alignment information on Keyen on such weak reasoning? I’ve yet to see you provide that.

I mean it’s pretty clear from this post and 144 show that TwoFace isn’t actually processing the game from a Town perspective but is basically looking at every angle to say “MoI is scum lynch lynch lynch” with no substance or thoughtfulness to why. Just empty rhetoric like “He can’t be Town / He’s 100% being lynched today” with a touch of unwarranted insults. Basically a knock-off of Radiant Cowbells (who is himself a pale imitation of Fate) without any accomplishment to support the ego.

Further the fact that he’s not even looking at anyone else as scum is a sign this isn’t a Town push. In fact he’s gone so far as to say that me having multiple scum reads (with his “threw away that” line which is nonsensical because having multiple scum reads and only 1 vote means putting pressure on multiple players requires vote movement) is more evidence I’m scum.

It's not willingness to die. It's not being afraid of it.

A false conclusion since I’m not worried about being lynched.

first good magna post of the game imo

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The fact that magna was at l-1 and hasn't attempted to do anything still makes me feel good about magna.

Here is an image of grey trying to figure out what I'm saying.

Spoiler:

@grey you got roasted good ahahahaha

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Lol @MOI - I am diagnosed as bipolar. Usually not that big of an issue and able to be handled, and I'm a fun energetic guy, but some things set me off.

that part is funny because thats not how bipolar works

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Stop calling me Keye

me? i used to call you harry potter or hermione, no reason why would i knew that you didnt like bieng called keye

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about the boons/tf stuff, its probably town imo and scum coasted it. i liked some of greys posting generally but hes being extremely opaque so far, sheep/moi are the one coasting and maybe sheep

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Cloudkicker's slot can die right now

whyd you want to lynch town? can you give me something

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ive read first 25 pages but i have other stuff to do so i ll come back later

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I mean, I am legit bipolar. But I don't really care to sure about that and a little unsure why it's being argued. It's not like I even really described what bipolar was. Even brought up that it wasn't the reason for it. So...yeah. Did not help the Elena isn't scum cause at that.

We lynch this today. That is just a ridiculous thing to attack. Look at that. He says I was wrong about what it was when I didn't even explain it? Why the fuck would I explain it? I don't give a fuck what any of you all think. I flat out stated that it wasn't the reason too, so stop discrediting. Holy fuck, never been more sure of a scum slot than this.

Guys, you have been pushing things wrong for a while, it is my turn.

tf LOL i never said that the bipolar thing was any relevant in anything game-wise nor did i say that you werent diagnosed but you misused the word

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i replaced-in like 6-7 hours ago, im giving myself 24-36 hours to read everything, if you guys are too eager to random lynch before i can even understand who is what and why then go ahead, boon reacting like that about the bipolar thing is just hilarious, as if

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An repeating that im scum or x wont do anything

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I mean, I am legit bipolar. But I don't really care to sure about that and a little unsure why it's being argued. It's not like I even really described what bipolar was. Even brought up that it wasn't the reason for it. So...yeah. Did not help the Elena isn't scum cause at that.

We lynch this today. That is just a ridiculous thing to attack. Look at that. He says I was wrong about what it was when I didn't even explain it? Why the fuck would I explain it? I don't give a fuck what any of you all think. I flat out stated that it wasn't the reason too, so stop discrediting. Holy fuck, never been more sure of a scum slot than this.

those wholes sentences dont make sens

just to be clear here, im majoring in psy and going undergrad next semester, i know exactly what bipolar is and what i found funny is how commonly misused the term is and i pointed it out

-> it has nothing to do with boon's read or alignement
-> Im not discrediting the justification of whatever he wanted to justify by being "bipolar", hes misusing a term to name something, but im not saying hes lying cause hes misusing something
-> Saying that im scum for calling him misusing the word, diagnosed or not is either a misunderstading or a scum faliling and trying to milk a last resort desperate lynch when i just replaced-in and didnt have the time to read. Its really rude to not let me at least read and its a tactic scum uses all the time against replace-in

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Boon's tone is pretty good, i read the guy when he flailed in the beginning of the game and some of the stuff he outed i thought were just clear and transparent townie, but the wifom about not carring repeatedly and forcing a lynch and asking for a quickhammer is just not town

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Im not going to tryhard to defend a slot when im not given a fair chance to even play

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im removing myself the responsibility of my flip if im being wagoned while im away tomorow morning ftr

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yet youre campaigning for my slot, if youre sincere help me help you and chill a bit

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And people complain about the first 40

I'm still okay with my vote - Key is lining up lynches, so that's cute, so I'm pretty good with my reads as stated.

Well youre objectively wrong, can you please explain your case on my pred

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Call me dumb or inattentive or whatever, but who exactly did Cloud replace??

Elena

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At the end of the day, my case is this - look at the lynch wagon, remove the masons/town reads, look at what's left.
Key looks very bad on that spread, but so does Elena/you and there was wagon energy for you, so I voted there.
That's the case.

Thats pretty bs considering keye is also voting here

->boon just said he had nothing on my slot
->you just said you have pretty much nothing but poe on my slot which looks extremely weak

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the blue deer is making a case about my ass when im being voted by his 2nd fos

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not*

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Theres really no incencitative for scum to bus when theres no flip yet

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i just misread what you meant when you said you had nothing on me, i assumed nothing on my slot not me individually

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Its so absurd,both of those are pushing me, are your scumreads and scum wont bus today

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Prodge, im busy but will be checking from time to time

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CloudKicker is very lucky to dodge a prod.

prodding myself, its the end of my semester and i dont have the time to make a case and a counterwagon to my slot considering that this game produced 3-4 pages in the span of a week and no CWs, the gamestate itself makes it obvious that this is on town but what can i do

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Like it's pretty damn obvious we hit scum.

You really dont understand how to read gamestate, scum would never bus in this position with this town apathy

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It makes it blatantly obvious that it is not town. Like how at all is it supposed to be obvious that it's town? Scum would have hammered you by now if you were town.

That doesnt happen whem scum is voting sherlock holmes, also this is not good logic. You are confirming someone as scum in your eyes by

-> assumption that scum isnt all on my ass
-> the absence of a scum behavior

Whenever your let scum behaviors dictates your reads on someone you are being an idiot and not playing the game correctly

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Like it's pretty damn obvious we hit scum.

You really dont understand how to read gamestate, scum would never bus in this position with this town apathy

This actually proves the slot's scum more.

no you obviously dont, theres no reason for scum to do anything atm because im town and no one gives a shit and the votes are glued on me for no reason again

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Saying that im scum because im not hammered is confbiasing in a nutshell

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And btw, scum doesnt need to make the hammer on me and let themselves be in a less advantageous position because its obvious that im busy and town wont change their minds

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No one is producing content, its just keye and you being an echo chambers on my slot, sheep sheeping and grey is lurking since he voted me

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No CWS for 3 days with no scum death and 1 mislynch away from lylo is an obvious gamestate tell that this is a town flip

but i dont expect anything to reach you

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Like, in that case, he brought up scum wouldn't bus, right? That' pointing out that he is scum. If he was town, there would be NO REASON FOR HIM TO STILL BE HERE. Unless you think that all three scum are already on him.

I said it many time, people all day said i was being bussed, keye said sheep is scum with me yet is voting me, you also fosed people who voted me. The idea that i am being bussed aka being voted by players you also scumread fueled my wagon and this is what im addressing, you are just too deep into the confbiasing

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No one is producing content, its just keye and you being an echo chambers on my slot, sheep sheeping and grey is lurking since he voted me

This is wrong. Key is the one who keeps trying to change the wagon, and failing.

Yes he wants sheep and i if i recall, sheep wanted my slot before i replaced-in

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Like, in that case, he brought up scum wouldn't bus, right? That' pointing out that he is scum. If he was town, there would be NO REASON FOR HIM TO STILL BE HERE. Unless you think that all three scum are already on him.

I dont think scum needs to do anything because i will eventually be hammered if nothing changes

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You think scum would sweep it and hammer me ? this game is half abandonned

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Not reevaluating new infos is scum agenda aka the replacement

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It's not half abandoned actually. Aristo is confirmed town, and MOI has been a town read of my day 1, with a few concerning things here and there, but nonetheless, town read. ZZZx and massive have their thoughts well documented. That is crap to say it's half abandoned, just in a stand still.

4-5 pages in a week is half abandonned

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VOTE: cloud

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I never selfed as scum on this site