Mini 1895: Shaziro Mafia - GAME OVER

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UNVOTE: GuyInFreezer

Hey, everybody! Nice to meet you all.

I am reading the thread as we speak. Currently on Page 7. Want to read it all, but I'm not 100% sure I'll have time. Anyone want to get me up to speed, ask me any questions, or tell me anything I should know in the meantime?

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Follow-up question. I haven't played Mafia in a really, really long time. Could somebody tell me how many (or at least the ballpark range of) Mafia members there usually are for a game this size?

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oh my god someone who might be active.

Current state of the game is we've massclaimed. Titus claims doc, IAWS is cop (who got a guilty on the now-dead traitor night one), and IAWS is also neighbors with GuyInFreezer (along with havingfitz, who is dead). WhemeStar is a fruit vendor, confirmedly. Everyone else is claiming VT. We also know mafia have a roleblocker, as both Wheme and IAWS have been blocked (it's possible that MathBlade will still want to argue that there's an ascetic but i don't think it's tenable).

There's a wagon on Not_Mafia for reasons I outlined here.

My personal reads are that that slot is scum with either MathBlade or your slot.

There are almost certainly 3 mafia members, including the traitor. 3:10 is standard in mini normals these days.

Thanks! That massclaim actually helps a ton with my reading. Rest assured, I will be very active until I'm dead. That's just how I do things.

Have you guys already analyzed the possibility that anybody was lying about their claim? If so, what were the results?

Also, am I understanding correctly that there are three neighbors?

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Sorry, forgot to claim. Vanilla Townie.

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We haven't finished the mass claim. Your slot has a possibility of being scum in my logic, so I suppose we dance. I saw Nacho liked you in the queue. Fair warning, I'm an oddball.

The massclaim isn't done? Implosion said everybody else claimed VT. How many people haven't made a direct claim yet?

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Could somebody please explain to me what "NIA" means? I keep seeing that abbreviation and it confuses me. Can't find it on the wiki or through Google.

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Sorry, "NAI."

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Thanks for both of those! I feel like I used to know that back in the day. I'm really surprised that's not on the wiki.

Is MathBlade the only one then?

I'm trying to get everybody. I'd rather not tunnel on him specifically and miss anything. That said, my initial hunch is scum, just based on the fact that the group are Neighbors, rather than Masons. Granted, that could be exactly what Shaziro wants us to think and that kind of WIFOM is too next-level for me to even want to mess with.

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I think so. It's midnight though, so I apologize if wrong.

Are you headed to the CA meet? There's one coming up in a couple of months.

No worries, I understand. I'm sure I'll figure it out myself. Might have to start reading a little faster though. I've been doing some skipping around to give certain interactions context based on flips, but doing that properly would take forever.

As for the meetup, I've got Summer school during it, but it's pretty long, so I might. I'm pretty extroverted though, so it'll depend on my mood and how many friends I end up making who are planning to be there.

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Has anybody mentioned Darklyn's soft-claim of Fruit Vendor in his second post? I'm not saying it's relevant, but maybe it is? Something you guys might want to discuss while I'm catching up, if you haven't already.

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Also, WhemeStar draws attention to it unnecessarily in his third post. I feel like there has to be some significance to it beyond simple breadcrumbing.

P.S. Sorry for all of these short posts back-to-back, but there is a lot of ground to cover here.

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Well, I think I'm going to hold up on catching up now. Don't really want morning to roll around and I turn up dead after reading 98 pages.

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In case I die, watch implosion and WhemeStar. Something feels off about them.

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Fuck... I'll try my best to get caught up by tomorrow, but I legitimately don't think I can give a hard analysis of 100 pages. I'll do my best to think about things with the context we have now as I'm going through.

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vote this person I'm voting.

I mean, I'm not going to sheep you just because you tell me too, but I am always open to hearing a case.

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Titus

I scumread Titus from yesterday and IAWS dying over her is fishy as fuck.

Please elaborate how it's fishy.

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Also, please nobody put her at L-1, because I swear that if another quicklynch happens before I have a chance to catch up to this game and form proper opinions, I am replacing out.

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So how is this her fault, exactly? We still had a night with no death, which implies that she may very well be a doctor.

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Titus

I scumread Titus from yesterday and IAWS dying over her is fishy as fuck.

No it isn't. Scum have an even night roleblocker. We lynched the odd night roleblocker.

Oh, now

that's

an interesting scenario. So, to clarify, your current claim is that you were blocked last night and you targeted IAWS?

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So how is this her fault, exactly? We still had a night with no death, which implies that she may very well be a doctor.

Titus

I scumread Titus from yesterday and IAWS dying over her is fishy as fuck.

No it isn't. Scum have an even night roleblocker. We lynched the odd night roleblocker.

Titus gambits.
Just because an odd one existed doesn't mean an even one does.

I find it much more likely with the claim not at l-1 Titus fake claimed doctor for the creds.

If that's the case, then how did we have a night with no death?

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So how is this her fault, exactly? We still had a night with no death, which implies that she may very well be a doctor.

Titus

I scumread Titus from yesterday and IAWS dying over her is fishy as fuck.

No it isn't. Scum have an even night roleblocker. We lynched the odd night roleblocker.

Titus gambits.
Just because an odd one existed doesn't mean an even one does.

I find it much more likely with the claim not at l-1 Titus fake claimed doctor for the creds.

No one voted with you yesterday, indicating no one bought this argument. (Town power would be too low). Now you expect that players will buy the argument after it was proven that sheeping iaws leads to good results?

I expect people to think radical concept.

Like I said before Titus gambits. Titus godfather and no kill is a possible scenario I would see balanced.

How does this explain how nobody died Night 3?

Almost any role.

Hell she could have gone after Not Mafia because she was even. I am much more suspicious of those on then I am off.

Because she was even what?

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STOP VOTING TITUS.

Mafia guaranteedly have an even-night roleblocker.

IAWS claimed blocked on d3, after n2.

I swear to god if you lynch titus.

She is like super super SUPER clearly town based on setup.

Shit, I hadn't even considered that one. Good catch.

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other important note: wheme is basically conftown since he's role-confirmed and we know the last mafia's role.

You're on a roll here. Keep it up!

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other important note: wheme is basically conftown since he's role-confirmed and we know the last mafia's role.

You're on a roll here. Keep it up!

This is pretty duh.

As is that. It was an exclamation of joy. I really want somebody to figure this setup out so that I don't have to read 100 pages. I'm hoping that we can figure out a situation in which we mathematically can't lose.

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Hiraki Link, what are your reads?

You've been dishing out compliments but not really saying much.

We need just one more clear here and you're not inspiring.

As I have said multiple times, I haven't read the whole game. And you're not going to get a clear from me. That's just ludicrous. At best, you can get a good vibe. But I'd rather see if we can get some good math instead that just wins outright.

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Just to be clear, I hope you aren't assuming that Implosion is cleared. I believe that would be a mistake.

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other important note: wheme is basically conftown since he's role-confirmed and we know the last mafia's role.

You're on a roll here. Keep it up!

This is pretty duh.

As is that. It was an exclamation of joy. I really want somebody to figure this setup out so that I don't have to read 100 pages. I'm hoping that we can figure out a situation in which we mathematically can't lose.

Me too.

I don't need you to read all 100 pages. I actually don't read on subbing in at all unless I'm a doctor (or faking one), regardless of my alignment. I need you to just get into the game. Just jump in.

We have three players who likely will never lynch each other. Whemestar, myself, and implosion. We get a fourth and that's the game. We have one scum and one mislynch left. So I need you to obvtown.

Sorry, but you might want to add obvtown to your myth list.

Just to be clear, I hope you aren't assuming that Implosion is cleared. I believe that would be a mistake.

I am but why

Because I'm going to tell you right now, if I were scum, I would've come out with the stuff implosion just did. He had all night to plan it and he could basically cement himself as "obvtown," coasting to a victory through mislynches.

I'm not saying he is scum or that he's that crafty. I don't know the man well enough to make that assessment. But what I do know is that completely discounting him as scum may be the path to ruin.

That said, I feel good about one of the people who voted for you being scum, with MathBlade being the clear frontrunner. He was dead-set on a scenario where you were a liar.

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I will be doing more work today. I want to reread Hans and Eddie at a minimum. Also possibly look more at drks interactions since I was likely right.about her interactions towards Hans. D1 will be pretty useful since scum will be loathe to bus early in a traitor setup.

Other note is gif is somewhat less likely scum due to setup symmetry. That is not a super strong point though.

What do you have to say about my claim that you should not be considered conftown?

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It's accurate.

I think I'm pretty obvious town though given my record in this game, how long I've been pushing the oneironaut slot, etc. I'm happy to justify my being town more if desired.

No. I don't doubt your assessment is accurate. I will scrutinize you personally when I can in the next couple days. But I just want Titus to realize that eliminating you as a suspect entirely still endangers the town. And I have an inherent distrust for obvtown, mostly due to paranoia. Likely unfounded, but still necessary to be cognizant of. Especially at a crucial stage like this.

Going to bed now. You probably won't here from me until tomorrow, so don't do anything rash, guys.

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Titus, why GuyInFreezer over MathBlade?

Also, I will be unsubbing from this thread so I don't get notifications while I deal with some important commitments. I will not be checking into this thread again until that is taken care of. This is not V/LA, because it should only be until tomorrow, at the latest.

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Should be able to post tonight before I go to bed. "Tonight" being very loose phrasing. In the middle of the night/early morning, really.

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Derp that means if you're Town which I doubt GiF or Implosion scum.

Then vote GIF.

I'm not voting implosion. You'd have to get every other townie to agree on Implosion and IAWS is also not voting implosion. He's off the table.

IAWS is dead... Did you mean WhemeStar?

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So really quick, I just wanted to say that I really don't care if you guys get my name wrong, but there is an active user on this website named "Hiraki," so maybe don't call me

that

, for the purposes of not confusing the two of us in future games. I wouldn't want you misattributing things I do to him or vice-versa. Though I plan to fix this by changing usernames in the near future.

As for this game, I could point out any number of reasons that I'm probtown right now, just from my actions since the start of this day. But I suspect they'd be pretty meaningless if you guys don't realize them for yourselves. Meatier posts are still incoming once I get a better handle on everyone still alive, hopefully late tonight.

The only real tactical consideration right now is that Titus should protect somewhat arbitrarily tonight/shouldn't say too much about who she's protecting; this forces scum to either kill her or risk giving us an extra mislynch. This works because the remaining scum is an even-night rb, and tonight is an odd night. If Titus saves someone tonight, obviously we lynch tomorrow because we'll be in odds. If we mislynch today and Titus (or anyone else) dies, then we'll be at 4p and we no-lynch tomorrow since there's technically no one alive who's formally clear.

You have the endgame wrong. I don't know if you are mistaken or if you are trying to confuse either scum or town with it, but I'm going to clarify it.

First, unless I'm very much misinformed, WhemeStar is confirmed town. Unless you're telling me that scum have a player who is both an Even-Night Roleblocker and a Full-Time Fruit Vendor and can also perform the night kill.

Second, scum have literally zero incentive to kill anyone but Titus. This is because targeting WhemeStar leaves the chance of him being protected and leaving the two remaining VTs together alive creates a bigger smokescreen for the scum.

Third, your very premise of us leaving somebody alive tomorrow is flawed, because since WhemeStar is conftown (unless I've misunderstood something), he'll be the next target. That means we have to lynch scum either today or tomorrow to win. There is no way around it unless we abstain from voting today and tomorrow, but that's just going to result in the same scenario, only with less conftown on the board.

My scum pool right now is basically math and hiraki, and I lean pretty heavily towards math. A quick look at Eddie's ISO ctrl+f'ing hans's name looks pretty bad as well. He *consistently* has hans as the "next person to lynch." On d1, he says he thinks cd and hans are both scum but is more confident in a cd flip. Before the DRK lynch he waffles around voting hans and eventually does vote him, calling him the second scum after DRK while DRK is getting wagoned. However, early in d3, his reads suddenly change with the theory that DRK's scumflip implicated me, and he suddenly conveniently has someone else to push over hans now that the scumteam's traitor is dead. Later that day, hans is once again placed behind someone else, this time fitz.

Point is: he constantly, constantly talks about how he finds hans scummy. And yet, his pressure on that slot never ever amounts to anything; his one vote on the slot is essentially a kneejerk reaction to 920, and never really contributes any meaningful pressure. The rest of the time, he always manages to find someone else to vote for or to push as the better lynch while being able to very effectively distance from hans.

Why is GuyInFreezer outside of your lynch pool? I'm not even saying he's scum, but there's no reason

Disclaimer is that this post actually might be confbias; i am interested in hearing other opinions on this. But I really think this looks like scum distancing. I feel like town at least meaningfully votes hans at some point during all of this. It's like eddie saw twoface as this big town personality who was wrong about everything, and basically took the opportunity to loudly sheep all of twoface's opinions so that he could effectively distance from his scumbuddy while coordinating with the townie who was wrong about things.

Will probably look deeper at Kop ISO next.

If you truly believe that it can only be MathBlade or I, then you are subject to confirmation bias by definition. Especially since, based on this post, you aren't saying WhemeStar is confirmed town. Technically, all four of us should be in your lynch pool. Granted, you have to narrow down who you wantat some point, but I feel like it's a bit early to be reaching that conclusion.

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I'm fine voting you. Plenty of time left in the day for people to hunt. Why do you want things to go quickly? @Titus

Are you seriously still on Titus as potential scum, dude?

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Everyone else, please don't respond to this.

@MathBlade: How about we lynch Titus today and we lynch you tomorrow if she flips town? Would you agree to that? Because it's the only way we are lynching her.

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This is because targeting WhemeStar leaves the chance of him being protected

Chance? No. Doc heals conftown. I'm not dumb.

I meant in the scenario that imp described where you would heal someone random. Though it's still a pretty bad move, regardless.

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On phone but:

Scum do potentially have incentive to kill people other than Titus. If they think they can get away with a mislynch on Titus which is theoretically possible esp if mathblade is town.

Even if MathBlade is town, I feel like it would be a pretty hard mislynch.

Wheme is in the strictest sense not technically conftown. That's all I really meant. I'm personally happy to lynch at 4p if he's alive. I will never vote him. But it's possible that for instance wheme dies tonight for one reason or another in which case I'd argue a nolynch is probably the better play.

In the strictest sense, nobody is confirmed town. Scum team could've chosen not to kill one night (assuming that's a legal choice) to make it seem like there was a Doctor for Titus to claim it.

Your analysis is basically assuming that everyone is okay with assuming that Titus is town, and mine isn't. I personally am more than happy to assume she's town though.

I mean, you broke down the balance of the game perfectly. Unless somebody claims a town power role we didn't know about until now, this setup is heavily unbalanced in favor of scum. Please don't respond to this one, I'm making a separate post about it that everybody can see easily.

Scum is in a pickle here most likely and so making unexpected kills is something they might do based on things like who fosses who.

I don't see it.

Gif is at third place as likely scum but far enough behind you two that he doesn't concern me ATM. This is because of two faces play, and Hans interactions towards the slot. I don't think tf played well but I think his play made very little sense from scum for the most part.

It's fine for you to read him that way. I'd still say you should be concerned about the possibility of being wrong though. It's the only way to combat confirmation bias.

I also don't really have faith in wheme to decide the endgame since he's kind of been afk from the game for a very long time.

Whether or not you have faith in him, literally what choice do we have? Other than getting it right today, which should be our goal anyway.

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@Everyone:

Is there another power role that hasn't claimed? That's the only plausible scenario I see for Titus being scum.

Don't answer for anybody else, only for yourself.

If you claim, we will lynch Titus today. Please, nobody say anything about this post other than your answer.

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@MathBlade, I also asked you a question:

How about we lynch Titus today and we lynch you tomorrow if she flips town? Would you agree to that? Because it's the only way we are lynching her.

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And you don't speak for everyone else.

Except I kind of do in this instance. implosion has made it pretty clear he won't vote for her and Titus certainly isn't going to vote for herself. Takes 4 to lynch, so unless implosion turns on her, the only way she could possibly lynched is through my vote.

Mathblade, why are you so insistent that Titus is scum? And please don't tell me to read her myself. Give me your argument. Your

entire

argument.

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Hey, I had a thought earlier that I forgot to post because I got distracted. I know GuyInFreezer is generally considered pretty town, but have we not considered the possibility that he is Mafia Roleblocker Neighbor? I think it's a longer shot than MathBlade, but not outside the realm of possibility.

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I'm declaring my intent to hammer.

But as much as I'd love to hammer here, I can't do it in good conscience without at least reading the other choices first to make sure it's the right choice. I will do that right now and respond ASAP. Mostly going to be ISOs, so it should be fast-ish, but I'll probably need to read some surrounding posts for context, so it might hamper me a little.

Spoiler: implosion

I don't see why math town doesn't try to reach out to me and convince me on Titus. I've been pretty clear about what I need to be convinced (namely, refutations to my arguments about why the setup can't be balanced if she's scum), and they haven't addressed my arguments about why fruit vendor is a weak role, or why the comparison to a newbie game is invalid. I think town-math here should realize that the way to get a Titus lynch is to reason with me/others.

Then try harder to engage him. I don't really want to draw this day out an unnecessarily long amount, but when we have time to try to engage him, we should try to engage him.

That said I also think it's just somewhat unlikely in the first place that town would think that Titus is scum in this position.

He could simply be subject to massive confirmation bias and unwilling to give up his scumTitus conspiracy theory.

Spoiler: Titus

VOTE: Math

I don't like how silent GiF is, but Math cannot be anywhere near lylo given they refuse to actually analyze players.

I definitely agree that I don't want him near LyLo, but I that doesn't mean we should make hasty decisions. If we fully flesh our reasoning out right here, right now, then hopefully LyLo won't be necessary. And I'd rather have someone unhelpful in LyLo than to mislynch someone because they won't be helpful.

Spoiler: WhemeStar

Considered it, certainly. Still considering it, yes. Think it's likely, no.

I'm still here @implosion

Then please do something of value.

@Titus and WhemeStar:

You guys are, for all intents and purposes, confirmed town here. You're the ones who should be leading this town. not implosion or I. So please be more active and give us your analysis of things. Because regardless of whether or not your analyses are right, their the only ones we can guarantee come from a town motivation. On top of that, you're extremely likely to die tonight, Titus. You should be leaving us with your final words of wisdom so that, if Math doesn't flip scum, we have your analysis to look at.

Spoiler: MathBlade

And you don't speak for everyone else.

Except I kind of do in this instance. implosion has made it pretty clear he won't vote for her and Titus certainly isn't going to vote for herself. Takes 4 to lynch, so unless implosion turns on her, the only way she could possibly lynched is through my vote.

Mathblade, why are you so insistent that Titus is scum? And please don't tell me to read her myself. Give me your argument. Your

entire

argument.

My argument about her being the mafia roleblocker is that she is a known gambiter and she specifically crafts her mafia games to fuck with me. And generally does so quite well.

In regards to her slot in general I believe her predecessor slipped and she continues to talk about other things. When that didn't work she then claimed doctor and used the fact there wasn't an NK.

In short I feel it in my bones.

But your hypothesis isn't explaining

why

there wasn't a night kill. How could somebody have survived night 3 is there was no Doctor? Also, you claim to be the only one analyzing Titus, but do you understand that "feeling it in your bones" is not analysis? The town can't do a damn thing with a feeling in your bones. Give

specific

examples of other completed games where she has gambited in the past and explain why this situation is similar. Actually look at the content of what she's saying and explain

why

what she is saying comes from a scum motivation.

Answer

other people's questions with concrete information.

@MathBlade:

I'm going to level with you, despite everything I've said about giving you a chance, I'm 99.9% likely to hammer you, because I don't think you are going to follow through with satisfactory dialogue, because I think you are scum. If you are ton, there is still a .1% chance that you will be able to convince us, so don't give up. However, if you are scum, I would be extremely grateful if you just hammered yourself right now and ended the game. You'd save me and everybody else a lot of time. I wouldn't consider it throwing the game, because you're going to die, it's just a matter of how slowly.

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I doubt anyone has an answer to this, but I'm curious if anybody can think of what Not_Mafia's motivation might have been for hammering himself.

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Oh, shit! I literally just realized that I'm not the only one who can hammer right now.

@GuyInFreezer:

Please don't hammer until we resolve some of the current questions I've posed.

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@implosion: You remind me a lot of myself in terms of playstyle. When I play scum, I try to emulate my town playstle as closely as possible, so I kind of suspect you do the same. Can you please show me some of your recently completed scum games? I want to see if everyone thought you were town in those games. In addition, I want to see if you played similarly there to here. Throw in a recent town game too, just as a control.

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VOTE: MathBlade

Fuck it! I'm going to look awful if this is a mislynch, but saying this without voting would probably result in you all mislynching me for waffling about. If this this isn't the end and you lynch me tomorrow, I won't hold it against you. If you read this post as town and Math isn't scum, then we'll try to hash things out tomorrow.

I just realized it's not the end of the world to lose a Mafia game. Ironically, I started playing on this site again to see if I could take things a bit less seriously when I play IRL with my friends*. I just got so swept up in my competitive habits that I forgot that.

*A little background: I play The Resistance (another deception game in the vein of Mafia) on a weekly basis with my friends and I'm pretty much always dominating the game because I have a strong personality, I'm overly competitive, and I have a decent mind for strategy. Most of my friends don't seem to mind, but in one of my recent games, a new player pointed out that I have an undue amount of control in the game. Granted, he was a Spy, so that might have been meant to discredit me, but it's an extremely legitimate assessment nonetheless.

I'd also like to point out the hypocrisy and/or irony of me playing because I had too much control in another game, realizing that I was doing the same here, and then hammering to hopefully end the game without consulting anybody else. I clearly have control issues I need to work on.

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I was AFK Lynch Titus or Implosion tomorrow.

Life sucks sorry couldn't defend myself

Assuming he's not scum (when I play with my friends, I'll wait until the reveal, just to fuck with them), I think it's GuyInFreezer.

GuyInFreezer jumped on the Titus out of the gate and tried to get me to sheep him on that. Then he switched over to Wheme as a "screw you" vote, which I I feel like was a place to put his vote until he could jump on a real wagon, while also leaving the remote chance that our other confirmed town might get lynched.

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Huzzah! I legit thought that he wasn't scum there for a second.

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shout out to the 143 replacements in reverse order of when they replaced in!

Yes, but is being near the top of the list significant? Are those shout outs shoutier? Or outier?

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they're shoutoutier because you had a bigger shitfest to read :p

although this game did become progressively less shitfest-y with each replacement for the most part.

To be fair, I ended up not reading the majority of the game though. I only got like 10 pages in before the Day ended and I never read the majority of the backlog after that.

Also, shout out to you for being the only one who successfully stuck the game out from beginning to end and for being the MVP of uncomfirmed townies.

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HL, I avoid reading as a matter of course.

We won here. Gg.

You avoid reading in general? Or when you replace in? Or did you mean something else?

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Out of curiosity, what were you thinking trying to get us to lynch Titus? Why go after confirmed town?

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Yeah, Math did the best with a not especially salvageable situation. I think going for the Titus lynch wasn't a bad tactic. It could have worked in a different player list.

I suppose that's true.

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Out of curiosity, what were you thinking trying to get us to lynch Titus? Why go after confirmed town?

I was going for derp town cred and as Town I attack Titus every game.

Generally she scumreads me every game and most games is wrong.

If I didn't attack Titus and bussed she would claim "scum meta".
If I didn't bus here I have a chance of her going "Civ Mafia"

I needed Titus not in control of the game.

Then why not shoot me? I was actually the least far in solving it. You were an annoyance lynch. GiF was my scumread. I was at 3 players needing to be dead for two lynches.

Because cop could get a guilty and ruin it. Had to kill the cop while I could.

Why not just go ok, Titus is town, imma reset and just sheep onto GiF/Hiraki.

..Did that in a game and you called me scum for it as Town.

My only shot was derp town cred because if I sneeze wrong you say I am scum.

Honestly, I feel like your best bet would've been to turn me against GiF. Then, in LyLo, turn me against imp. I was new to the group and (relatively) easy to manipulate. But I can see why you might be concerned, due to your history with Titus.

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@Not_Mafia: I hope you're still reading this thread. I was wondering why you hammered yourself.

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i assume it was some combination of seeing lynch as inevitable, wanting to cut off discussion, and not having the ability to catch up fast enough to defend.

Sure, I figure it's something along those lines too. I was just wanted to hear straight from the horse's mouth what his thought process was. It could be there was another strategic factor I hadn't considered and it could prove valuable in the future.