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We discussed this last game (did anyone else play both?)
We basically decided that lynching a claimed townie is a dumb goddamn move.
Basically, everyone claim whatever the hell you want. The best idea for townies is to claim Doctor and draw the NK. Best idea for the Doctor is to claim tonwie and draw the cult recruit.
Claiming in this game is broken.
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Its also a false Dichotimy, XReyoX could be both or neither.Elias_the_thief wrote:
no, because its still not a similar situation, as the assertion "reyo is being overdefensive" has not been widely made. At the point at which Reyo asked, 2-3 people had accused you of it, therefore making it a major issue in the game and worthy of a query.omg_im_innocent_wtf wrote:fine, here is a better example:
"elias, do you think reyo has been overdefensive so far or do you think she is just being misundersttod?"
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Unfortunatly, when it comes to claiming, we didn't find an optimal play for claiming. Claims are hard in this game, because powerroles will be NKed and townies will be recruited, so unless the town adds that level of WIFOM (which I was expecting you to rather than follow a preset path), we're in trouble. I expect everyone to take my claims with a grain of salt.dahen wrote:Since Oman has played this game before, I think he should put some more effort in describing towns best strategies from his stand-point.
Thats the delicious WIFOM.dahen wrote: The strategy that town should claim doc and doc claim town is of course useless after it has been stated.
You don't explain how it is "scummily prepared" but let me say it this way. He was away from the site. He is not playing as he did in previous town games. That is to be expected. Therefor the conclusion that he is scum is not valid.dahen wrote:This question is valid, but the follow-up seems scummily prepared:
You pretty much hit the nail on the head. Ask anyone who plays with me regularly, I rarely vote no-one. Espeically early D1, I try to find a wagon (any wagon) that has even the slightest merit in it, then hit it.dahen wrote: also dislike Blazerunner's plan. That doesn't mean I think he's scum. That vote by you is too easy. It seems like you have been trying to just find a place for your vote and finally had the opportunity.
I also found Blazerunner's plan to be scummy in that it caused a higher benefit for the scum than for the town.
What if there is no doc, or cop for that matter. This was a very scummy plan.Blazerunner wrote:We dont lynch first day, second day the cop claims and gives his report, and doctor protects him.It's unfortunate that good oral sex excuses bad chemistry. - Korts-
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My point is that claiming will not work as a strat. Any way you look at it, the only time I can see a claim working is if someone claims townie and we have some sort of cult-doc role, or if someone claims a Power whilst there is no doc yet dead (of course, neither of these roles are guarenteed, so, again, claiming will not work).Reyo wrote:I'm sorry. I still don't see how it would be beneficial for town to claim doc and doc to claim town.
Sorry its not "For sure there is no godfather" Its "We cannot be sure there is a godfather" i.e. "There is no godfather for certain." when you're reading it as "There is no godfather, for sure."Reyo wrote:This, to me, looks like you've either misread the mod's post or you're scum to be so sure.
The Mafia has possible power roles, from a large list (standard ones being: Godfather, RB, Framer, etc).It's unfortunate that good oral sex excuses bad chemistry. - Korts-
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"Forbidding" claims is a bit much, mostly because I like players to play their own game.dahen wrote:Isn't that better than trying to mix the proper blend of WIFOM?
For example, I might have set this all up to claim doctor later when i'm actually a townie. But if I was, why did I just tell the mafia my plan. But I'm smart enough to know the mafia would read that.... You see where I enjoy this.
Jog on! Look at this: lalalandElias wrote:Random lynch is a TERRIBLE idea.
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That is a bad vote. She suggested something that would've been scummy coming from you or me, but fits with a total newbie.
FoS EliasYou should know better.It's unfortunate that good oral sex excuses bad chemistry. - Korts-
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I'm still a fan of an OMG lynch. The guy is all over the place. That last bit about Noriel was obviously a horrid defence.
XReyoX - STOP TALKING ABOUT CLAIMING! It doesn't matter because a fake claim could be helpful, but a real claim is helpful for the WIFOM. WE CAN'T DISCUSS IT, BECAUSE THE MAFIA AND CULT WILL KNOW AND THEN ITS VOID! WE NEED TO MMMMIIIISSSLLLLLEEEEEAAAADDDDD THEM!
In short Claiming = STFU!It's unfortunate that good oral sex excuses bad chemistry. - Korts-
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FoO wrote:When this was happening you posted a few times telling him to stop where he was and shut up about it. I know you had valid reasons behind it, the WIFOM situation you claimed it would make, but it still struck me as trying to kill the discussion, and I wonder if there was an ulterior motive?
I did it because the mafia and cult are both looking for opposite things. The mafia is looking for powerroles, the cult is looking for townies. The best night for us is when the mafia kills a townie and the cult tries to recruit a powerrole (barring doc protect etc).
What Reyo was doing was basically giving each scum faction the information they want and reducing the chance of the perfect night to 0. I don't mind discussing strats, but lets make sure they're not going to ruin the game.
Okay lets discuss a good strat.
The only time I would advocate claiming (I'd advocate it now if people could use it to trick around the scums, but I don't know how smart half of you are), is if the mafia kill the cult leader tonight (as in 500) and we can play this like a regular game.
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Why do we let 12 year olds on MS?omg_im_innocent_wtf wrote:
yes i hadPink Puppy wrote:omg: you haven't explained why you were voting GSGold, and now you are voting oman without any explanation.
u suck.
unvote; vote omg_im_innocent_wtf
It really troubles me that nobody can tell me why the wagon on GSGold happened. And I note that omg was the first to vote him.
yes i have
you are a retard
that is all.It's unfortunate that good oral sex excuses bad chemistry. - Korts-
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OMG wrote:Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 11:29 pm Post subject: 296OMG wrote:Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 11:30 pm Post subject: 297
Sorry I didn't answer you, my refresh button broke waiting for you to post. I really wanted to sit here and hit it ASAP.OMG wrote:Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 11:37 pm Post subject: 298
By the way, I refuse to answer your questions from now on, you've proven yourself unworthy of my time with that final post of yours. I shall respond TO your actions, to actions performed ON you, but you as a player are dead to me. STFU.It's unfortunate that good oral sex excuses bad chemistry. - Korts-
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Okay, if we look at this at face value (the vig will kill Xtom tonight if he is fakeclaiming) and say that Xtom is a powerrole, he is NOT CULT. This is big, we have one guarenteed non-cultist. Meaning that even though vig is a dicey role in this game (I know I was the vig last game).
I say we are at a very interesting decision here.
let 1 townpowerrole = doc:
Let Xtoxm = Vigilantee -> obviously protecting him from night kills is the best move as we have a confirmed townie with no cult-ableness.
Let Xtoxm = Scum -> obviously the vig will try to kill him, but the doc should protect him (see Xtoxm = vigilantee).
Thus, I think that contrary to standard vig play any vigilantee should counterclaim now, if not, we should accept that Xtoxm IS town.It's unfortunate that good oral sex excuses bad chemistry. - Korts-
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Actually, I haven't been ignoring prods. In a few games (so that it wasn't alignment based) I've been trying to try out lurking as people seem to think LAL is wrong. So I'm trying to get perspective. Unfortunatly, my findings aren't really ready, but I just don't feel right doing it any more.
Sorry.
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XReyoX wrote:no. I was talking about telling people to couterclaim if they are vig.
No no no! IF someone claims vig, and they aren't the vig, you let the real vig kill them. Always. Mafia are not likely to kill the vig (see cult mafia 1) as he is not a deadly threat to them, and often helps.It's unfortunate that good oral sex excuses bad chemistry. - Korts-
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Guys. I'm a lot more alive than I thought I'd be but I might as well claim now: I was lying with my claim, trying to draw an NK and stop them killing BM (who I thought was a cop) I actually have no power. So, uh....sorry bout the lies, but lieing townies can be good for the game. just wanted to get that out before any real doctor counter-claimed and got me lynched. Yeah...well...I can't believe BM and I had the same idea.
Oh and the absoloute fail of dahen is quite obvious, whether that is scummy or not, I am unsure.It's unfortunate that good oral sex excuses bad chemistry. - Korts-
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You play in 8 games and do Uni and we'll see if you ever forget who is or isn't in a game and what happened previously.Imat wrote:And does it look to me like Oman's post is less of a simple misunderstanding and more of a "I have to remember which people I've made up lies about" post? I, personally, got the latter, though I'm slightly biased due to the fact that the Town is COMPLETELY incorrect.
The first sentence sounds very claiming scum.It's unfortunate that good oral sex excuses bad chemistry. - Korts-
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You are patronising, and I dislike you. Tip: patronisation sounds better when it comes from a superiour, so go pick on newbies.Imat wrote:Yes, I totally claimed Scum. Because BM editing a quote makes the edited quote more trure than the original, right Oman?It's unfortunate that good oral sex excuses bad chemistry. - Korts-
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