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[marshy]

I DECLARE THE END OF RQS AND THE BEGINNING OF RVS

VOTE: tammy

[marshy]

yo ryker. whats up dude? im glad youre in this game. ran adum and frozen too

for public knowledge we are all from the same homesite and fairly familiar with each other. however i have the most swag

also i just realized the suited characters in the op banner are penguins

mod of the year

VOTE: zulfy

[marshy]

yes zulfy

what do all the +1s and numbers in 326 and 328 mean?

VOTE: agentsparkles

[marshy]

VOTE: zulfy

[marshy]

@adum

what about ryker do you want to know? im not sure what you want from me

@ran

gimme some time. i feel like things are going well and ill have a solid pool formulated shortly

@transcend

maybe!

[marshy]

@adum

regarding ryker vs mulch....ryker looks MUCH better. infinitely so. im ambivalent on mulch atm. do you get a tvs vibe out of it or something? im wondering why you asked me about it

[marshy]

I just figured out what the acronym NAI stands for. I could solve what people meant by it, but I couldn't put words to the letters.

yes zulfy

what do all the +1s and numbers in 326 and 328 mean?

VOTE: agentsparkles

Can you read Adum for me?

ill try my best

[marshy]

well adum

mulchs early game was foul. im talking about the initial interaction with ryker where he pointed out issues with rykers play but then voted you and started defending his position afterwards. that was a classic scumpost. everyone seems tove forgotten about this but i havent

beyond that hes at worst trying to look like hes hunting scum. you obviously see me voting with him atm. i guess i see where you/ran/ryker are coming from with a town read but idk. he could just be active scum and i think its haphazard to slap a town read on a player were unfamiliar with so early. im GUESSING his home site is an active place so i dont think its beyond him to be loud as scum

[marshy]

i dont think youre reading him town on activity. i remember your post where you pointed out his logic and thought it was likelier town than scum. when i said "could be active scum" i meant in a broad sense cuz i see a lot a "mulch is active and trying so hes town" mentality prevalent

i think mulchs reasoning in that post is fair. i see where hes coming from and have no issue with it

@gamma

you crack me up (in a good way). not right now

[marshy]

Page 15: Mulch/Zulfy slapfight. I fell asleep.

who looks worse?

@adum/frozen/lalight

thoughts on zulfy/mulch?

[marshy]

i dont think youre reading him town on activity. i remember your post where you pointed out his logic and thought it was likelier town than scum. when i said "could be active scum" i meant in a broad sense cuz i see a lot a "mulch is active and trying so hes town" mentality prevalent

i think mulchs reasoning in that post is fair. i see where hes coming from and have no issue with it

@gamma

you crack me up (in a good way). not right now

I think trying to find scum is a severe towntell, at least if done logically. Why don't you think so? in terms of your "trying" comment

i dont believe in towntells. regardless why are you acting like scum cant feign scumhunting?

[marshy]

Holy shit yall talk a lot about nothing.

Trancend, AS
Ranmaru, Zulfy, Gamma,Ryker
Mulch, Tammy
Lalight, Frozenflame, Deus

i take it this is in order of scumminess?

[marshy]

Holy shit yall talk a lot about nothing.

Trancend, AS
Ranmaru, Zulfy, Gamma,Ryker
Mulch, Tammy
Lalight, Frozenflame, Deus

i take it this is in order of scumminess?

Town
Nulltown
Nullscum
Scum

yeah. i understand that. im asking if theres a specific order in terms of scumminess in each category

for example you voted adum and hes at the rightmost position of your scum pool. are you saying hes the scummiest of that scumpool?

[marshy]

Holy shit yall talk a lot about nothing.

Trancend, AS
Ranmaru, Zulfy, Gamma,Ryker
Mulch, Tammy
Lalight, Frozenflame, Deus

i take it this is in order of scumminess?

Town
Nulltown
Nullscum
Scum

yeah. i understand that. im asking if theres a specific order in terms of scumminess in each category

for example you voted adum and hes at the rightmost position of your scum pool. are you saying hes the scummiest of that scumpool?

Oh. Within categories it's very fluid. I don't have a set number of tiers, if I thought Adum was significantly more scummy there would be a fifth tier with only him in it. I have only but one vote to give.

so you went from "kill mulch with fire" repeatedly to slapping him on the same tier as me and tammy?

i do not buy you having me/tammy as slight scumleans in the strictest sense. i took it as more "eh idk about these guys but its probably 51/49 in favor of scum for them". im scratching my head at mulchs placement alongside us. bizarre

[marshy]

26 455

lol i thought that first post was hella sus too

[marshy]

I have concerns with Marshy playing super duper safe right now. He's playing

extra extra safer

than his scum game in the Serene Forest game we played. I really want to see his scumreads and why he is voting Zulfy.

im town boi

why you tripping?

[marshy]

im town boi

why you tripping?

I don't even know your reads

im still developing a scumpool fool

@firestarter

thanks for clarifying

[marshy]

i endorse the lalight wagon. still happy with my zulfy vote

good d1 so far

[marshy]

iight im all caught up

fos ranmaru

scummiest player by far. long case with full reasoning as well as quotes incoming

[marshy]

LMAO

just kidding yall

ive skimmed but hopefully will be able to take a closer look soon

[marshy]

@gamma

what are you generally thinking about the playerlist?

[marshy]

pretty damn sure mulch v zulfy is tvs. i got those vibes hardbody reading that exchange

wouldnt mind seeing agentsparkles/lalight/firescreamer go either

lol @ everyone asking me for my vote. its like the bachelor mafia edition in here

however im happy with my vote

ok i have to go complete 2 final assignments in 1 1/2 hours cuz of my epic procrastination

[marshy]

My bottom four are Tammy, marshy, Ryker, and Mulch, and I'll lynch any except Tammy.

shoutsout ryker for getting me onto this gif

[marshy]

Agent Sparkles (3): Transcend, Ranmaru, LaLight
Zulfy (3): marshy, Mulch, Ryker
Tammy (1): Zulfy
LaLight (1): Agent Sparkles
Mulch (1): Gamma Emerald
FireScreamer (1): AdumbroDeus
FrozenFlame (1): FireScreamer

These vanity votes are shit

prolly like 2 scum off the wagons right now maybe 3. most of those votes are awful considering context

dont think we need to use the whole 10 days. just need frozen/tammy posts + people to consolidate

happy with both wagons. vig plz shooy zulfy if he survives today

[marshy]

stagnation prolly in part due to a wagon existing on at least 1 scum. we must off the other tomorrow without a claim if we hit town today

[marshy]

Ya boi I think that the wagons are on town and the scum just want it to stay that way

take a serious look at gamma if theyre both town for some awful reason. utterly insane

[marshy]

I'd still probably be voting one of my other scumreads just because I don't want town to get stuck in a rut.

Will you join me later in the day though? I can understand you wanting to be on a vanity wagon early day, but I want you to consolidate with me eventually.

I fI believe AS is scum yes.

i thought both wagons were town and scum wanted it that way?

[marshy]

site meta is to spam the crap out of games with posts along with bussing

forreal?

thats wassup

enjoying this game for the most part thus far. might have to bring a few homies for a large sometime

[marshy]

its been said that websters dictionary itself has considered replacing the word bravado with ryker

ryker can also be used as a verb

"im going to gain control of this thread then ryker this game"

[marshy]

hi zulfy

what kind of pizza should i order

also who wants me to explain my tammy blehvibe

i mean live your life but

better to wait til shes done imo

allows others to react to her and also doesnt tip her off as to what shes doing wrong should you be right

[marshy]

id say that regardless of experience

[marshy]

@

Gamma

: What are your scumreads right now? I want you to put out a vote.

Not sure who else but I do scumread Zulfy.
VOTE: Zulfy

gamma

you STARTED that push

[marshy]

@

Gamma

: What are your scumreads right now? I want you to put out a vote.

Not sure who else but I do scumread Zulfy.
VOTE: Zulfy

gamma

you STARTED that push

No I didn't, Mulch did

momentum picked up after that vote if memory serves me (which it may very well not)

the point remains the same though. you obviously saw town motivation behind pushing a zulfy wagon and youre now basing your worldview around the wagoners on a target you YOURSELF supported

you are either town and have lost your mind having been bamboozled due to paranoia or scum lazily shitting on wagoners

[marshy]

All of Frozen flame's posts have just really rubbed me the wrong way.

Not sure if I'm having play style hatred for both of them though.

It's probably because I've been deliberately antagonistic and shitposty. So hatred for my playstyle isn't particularly unwarranted or unexpected

It's very unenjoyable. I literally considered replacing out last night, and still am, when I caught up to where I did because I'm not in the mood to deal with unenjoyable play styles right now.

stick it out plz

[marshy]

with zulfy possibly out i dont want to deal with replacements this game. i actually just want to end the day phase but tammys like the one slot most want more content from before being down to lynch

[marshy]

I think she's made enough

same

im ready to lynch bitches

[marshy]

I don't think you know what over defensive or oversensitive actually mean, especially to place the very in front of it. I am an oversensitive and defensive person, but neither of those response are that.

I am also quite self-absorbed, and I do find it humorous when I get the oh Tammy's scum when I'm getting into the game as town. I do like people to talk about their read on me because it helps me read them.

And considering that I was very amused by it, no sorry not your interpretation.

Did I sound like this in 2008?

LOL

yes actually. not the defeatist thing later but that particular post yes. except "no sorry not your interpretation" might be "sorry for you not your interpretation"

[marshy]

once tammy and adum catch up end the damn dayphase. hell id end it now

im not going the rest of the game playing wait and see when we have 54 pages of content and a scum flip imminent when we had at least one scum between zulfy/agentsparkles

[marshy]

Marshy: all his scumreads I've seen so far (me and Zulfy) have gone completely unexplained
Ryker: Don't like his reaction to LaLight's vote seems weird and OMGUSy
Mulch: I don't like some of his game theory. I initially found it genuine but I feel it isn't solid.

VOTE: Marshy

This slot and LaLight are the only sufficiently scummy players for me to lynch today.

[marshy]

youre not a play. you werent even in my bottom 4. i only have gone at you cuz youve been way offbase lately to the point that its detrimental to town. even if i play 20 questions with you you are still looking at ryker and mulch who are non plays as well. if youre town plz proxy your vote to ran

[marshy]

Your reminder that firescream is scum and needs to die.

[marshy]

Got some questions to ask everyone

1) How excited are you for this game?
2) Where did you hear about this site/where did you come from?
3) If you had to bet the game on one player's alignment who would it be? Basically, who can you read best?
4) what aspects of your play do you seek to improve?
5) What is your general scumhunting mindset?

1 10 outta 10. i havent played with the homies in a while and mixing in with new players can b fun

2 i heard about it back in like 2006 i think when discovering mafia online

3 ranmaru tho frozen and ryker are close and may even b better

4 none

5 lynch scum get bitches

[marshy]

lol

i was very close to hammering as earlier myself

[marshy]

I decided to post the first two to hopefully generate discussion, no pointi n waiting cause I'm not doing more tonight.

Reads.

Transcend:

Spoiler:

Firstly, you came under a lot of pressure day 1. I don't like how calm you acted. Yeah, it's meta, but I think that you acted SO much that you didn't care it's almost like you were TRYING to not care. I don't like how you keep doing pre flip associations. You don't explain anything you do but I think that is your meta. You townread me immediately after I scumread you, which scum have done in the past, and is a warning flag. You use self meta, but this is again something according to your meta. You came off scummy very near here too with your pre flip associations. I also don't like the sheer amount of fluff you have.

Some town posts: 263 590 944 1460 669

Some scum posts: 1503 1499 322 270 161

Funny post for someone who wants a laugh: 1327

Overall read: Posts and overall tone lead you as

lean-mid scum

, with it being even higher if the fluffyness wasn't apparently part of your meta.

Marshy:

Spoiler:

I liked how you scumread me in the beginning and sort of naturally transitioned into not scumread me as much. YOu had a good flow to it, and your logic seemed clear. You seem to have a lot of posts that don't do that much stuff but act like they are, though, and ask a lot of questions. You do pre flip associations with me and Wulfy, which I really don't like. You did that scummy thing telling the vig who to shoot. You also do pre flip and wagon pre flip analysis which is extremely scummy. Good catch on Gamma. So much fluff. Jokes. So much jokes.

Town posts: 1143 995 551 517 502

Scum posts: 579 876 959 961 1251 1513

Funny Post: 1138

Overall Read: Although his individual posts indicate null, when looking at his ISO the overall trend

leans scum.

great case

[marshy]

mulch there is no nuance or understanding to your scum posts regarding me. most of your linked scum posts are about me being willing to end the day or confidently declaring scum between players due to you latching onto preflip association as some ultimate scumtell. you are thinking 'this guy is doing x so must be scum' instead of 'this guy is doing x. can i see him doing that as y/ alignment?'

your "townie posts" revolve around me questioning gamma and you....i see the logic but youve missed my most protown posts

[marshy]

vote firescreamer

[marshy]

hella weird seeing adum killed n1

[marshy]

idk about lynchbait but

dude is never fucking townread. almost never. ran and ryker had him as town this game but that was a COMPLETE rarity and i found nothing adum did here to b out of his scumplay. pretty glad hes dead tho good player but dudes a pain in the ass to get lynched if you decide hes scum lol

[marshy]

So generally I think FireScreamer is like the only person in this game who had motive to kill adum considering adum had a hard on for grilling FS but that's almost too obvious. I could also see marshy/ryker/Ran encouraging an adum NK just because of marshy's comments above re: how difficult it can be to lynch him. Will need to ISO adum though to see if anyone else may have had strong motive

what the fuck?

smh. no more of this paranoia to shade blatant non plays. no more. this is what sunk us in xkcd. no idea why youd reactively say this when theres more than enough to read ran and ryker

frozen. you need to step it UP today dude. like hardbody boi

[marshy]

@frozen

i get that its a possibility. i jus dont think its worth mentioning at this point cuz it all it does is potentially sow mistrust amongst the town and fuel paranoia. last game insaw you progressively get more paranoid towards me/jexs and i dont want a repeat of that here if youre innocent. if me/ran/ryker contain a scum it wont b found til later in the game and its just such a low priority discussion atm. that and i think adum couldve been nkilled for other reasons

[marshy]

@sparkles

probably not. no offense to you i just dont see the point

[marshy]

VOTE: firescreamer

[marshy]

lol @ me getting copped

town played like ass this game. id be so salty if i was scum and had all these slots take themselves out the lynch pool cuz of lolclaims

pretty glad i got copped tho. youre the homie lalight. now i dont have to do jackshit or skim shitty cases against me anymore

[marshy]

LMFAO

HAHAHA

this game

[marshy]

dude my worst fear was that all the lower level players like sparkles zulfy and lalight were town so thered b a disjointed ratio and scum would have easy pickings

good though. now the scum cant just park on weaker slots and actually have to put in work

[marshy]

does mafiascum allow images to be posted? someone posting michaeljacksonpopcorn.gif for me

[marshy]

massclaim mafia itt

[marshy]

fuck. we should have had ran shoot d1 then lynch him then have tammy shoot d2 then lynch

[marshy]

its so funny how we were saying "great d1" while double wagoning townies. scum mustve had a good laugh

[marshy]

@

Marshy

: Lol. I'm sure the way to find scum is to be depressed about the game state and somehow lynch all the scum in a row. That's basically what happened in some mafia game I can't remember the name of. Where I helped lynch J with CONFIDENCE and he flips town on me, and then I'm like "man I dunno..." and then two scum flip lol. Then Gheb comes out like "Yeah I'm screwed, you guys can win."

is that the one where i spent all d1 fighting against you/zen + ryker? i remember you guys wanted to mislynch me instead but then j came in and caught flak so i got quiet and let him get mislynched instead of me even tho i was townreading him haha

[marshy]

ok. im done with out of game stuff for now

Um I said shit about it though
And my read changed on Sparkles

plz show

[marshy]

penguinpower aint playin no games

atm im fine going fs. i would prolly bring frozen and ryker to endgame based on posting alone

kinda sad this turned into a de facto epicmafia game doe. oh well

happy memorial day weekend yall

[marshy]

not if im around. i prolly take you to 3 man and lynch whoever else is alive so props if youre scum here

[marshy]

rip

[marshy]

what do you want my thoughts on boi?

[marshy]

when frozens scum he sheeps the power players and tries to get in with them by following them on mislynches depriving himself of accountability. he is also less forgiving of derp plays

as town hes much more independent. he is likelier to go out of his way to fight people that others arent paying attention to if he himself believes them to be scum

he is logical with a sharp grasp of the game and deep understanding regardless of alignment. he "watches" the power players and factors their thought processes and direction into his decision making processes regardless of alignment too but after a while you get a grimy feel from it if hes scum

he is a hard read this game. the claims really fucked things up for us and made things complicated. the most telling interactions from him and imo the best chance you have of pulling out a read on him is analyzing his fights with gamma and tammy plus anything flipped scum say about him. i have not played with him as scum in probably like 5 years

@frozen

do you really think ryker could be scum here? you seemed to have taken people off of your lynchlist just because of her claim how come? whats the thought process there?

[marshy]

BAH!!

GO TOWN

[marshy]

good job scum

ryker i know that shit dragged for you but i hope your enthusiasm isnt killed to the point youll /out the potential large game. wondering if you can bring laundry/raz/anyone else should we get the green light here

[marshy]

lol

yo if our site does a large game on this site who wants to join?

transcend is my alt btw

[marshy]

adum you need to chill with the town reads and paranoia towards slots youre wary of. your insistence on getting at me/frozen d1 distracted the thread from scum boi. youre not the only one guilty of this but yeah since youre here

[marshy]

It's not paranoia if you really are out to get me :p

But ya, be fair though, you guys weren't that active so even if you two aren't scary getting you talking about I could get a read on you was still to our advantage.

yeah. but you and ryker pretty much put a huge target on our heads. i ended up getting copped cuz of your guys rhetoric and frozens obvtown posts were ignored by a lot of town and id guess it was due to the shade being thrown at us early game

im sayin this cuz ive seen a lot of games where town is hurt because players go at each other not out of anything done inthread but cuz of meta

[marshy]

can we get scumchat doe?

[marshy]

24 hours or when all scum give consent.

oh iight

yo mulch/transcend/gamma if yall gave the thumbs up thatd b swag

and thanks mulch. my final guess before i got spoiled was you/transcend/ryker in my notepad

[marshy]

ctrl fd my name in scumchat

came up like 10 times

am disappoint

[marshy]

dude firescreamer wasnt scummy. that was a shitty lynch in retrospect. sorry dude

[marshy]

still waiting on tips how to play day vig yo

bro dont shoot til endgame

ive literally seen every dayvig fuck up their shots out of paranoia and cuz they tried to heroshoot. ive been that guy

imagine what a fuckin bawse yud look like if you were just in lylo and capped one right in between a players eyes. you either lose like a g or holster your gun turning around with a scumbag blowing up in the background

[marshy]

my god, the game was a huge pile of stress for me. idk, sometimes I think that my playstyle isn't compatible with this site, it's really pretty hard for me to be in am atmosphere of much shitposting and aggression towards me whenever I start scumreading anyone. I guess it's time to make another half a year break from mafiascum.

And yeah, wp, scum.

your play definitely improved as the game progressed. later

an observation

dude ive seen way too many shitty townreads being thrown out for little reason in the latest meta. it happened in this game and idk why this is a trend. it consistently loses games and its dumb that townies have to fight against haphazard townreads as a regular part of gameplay nowadays. only site ive seen this work out well for town is mafia universe where the gameplay is vastly different and more off the cuff. this was common on swf and i won games as scum all the time cuz of it

[marshy]

You're right though, playing mafia isn't hard to pick up again, but I think strong scum hunting skills atrophy without flexing those muscles. I definitely have been finding it tough to develop good reads on people.

while i dont disagree with this

to b completely fair you have jumped into games in brand new meta. so its kind of like a readjusting phase where youre familiarizing yourself with new people. the more you play with em the easier it gets imo. so im not discouraged after losing back to back games on sites i am not too acquainted with

[marshy]

good luck in the championship games on mu yall. been ballin up there myself recently. very fun site if youre a fan of the "sit in the thread and livechat" meta

[marshy]

i pmd the mods and am waiting to hear back from them. if they give us the green light im bringin all the homies here for an epic af game. there will be preins so i will remember you