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[Zulfy]

Transcend didnt like your rqs gamma

[Zulfy]

I dont have an opinion of the rqs itself.

Also none about the reactions so far to the rqs, mine included.

Your reaction to my reaction to transcend's reaction has been noted tho.

Hello other person

[Zulfy]

Cuz it's over VOTE: Tammy

[Zulfy]

What's everyone's deal with ignoring Gamma's questions and avoiding RQS? It helps advance the game just like RVS does.

Doesn't help to find mafia, and can stagnate the game, and also helps people avoid RVS. What do you think of the people including myself who ignored the questions? Scum or Town and why?

1) I don't think I agree that it doesn't help. It may not be as effective as RVS, but it's still a starting point.
2) It doesn't need to stagnate anything. RVS and RQS are not mutually exclusive and people can easily do both at once.
3) I think it's NAI on its own, but I'm still interested in knowing why people are shutting it down the way they have.

So you asked: Why are people ignoring it, someone told you why they are ignoring it, and then you ask

I'm still interested in knowing why people are shutting it down the way they have.

When, despite the fact you disagree with their conclusion, someone told you why. This looks like air. This is smoke. You get a plus 1 I am putting it in the notepad as we speak

Pedit: active game ooh

[Zulfy]

*Says people townreading him are susp*
*Peroson twnreads him*

That took guts

what are you saying what is this

[Zulfy]

Can you guys be more concise and snip quotes? It'll save people the head ache when reading and reading. No point to quote a huge as quote when you just need to answer one question. Look at how I do it:

@

Gamma

: Town don't want to be lynched either. Also Ryker doesn't seem highly defensive there. Thoughts on Agent Sparkle and Mulch?
@

Agent Sparkle

: Read on Mulch?
@

Marshy

: Move your vote, Tammy won't be around early as stated in the pre-game thread. I pushed her to join (while she said she had other games at the moment) because I wanted to play with her.
@

Zulphy

: Same to you.

Neat.

Whats YOUR opinion on me?

Unvote: Mulch

What was it about this post that impressed you so, Ryker?

[Zulfy]

@Ryker

[Zulfy]

And also

@Mulch

for the thing above

[Zulfy]

Dodging what exactly?

@Gamma

The fact that scum are more likely to become defensive because they have more on the line if they are lynched.

That is entirely dependent on the circumstances of the lynch. Sometimes it is true and sometimes it is wrong.

Please try again.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Boy,

Gamma himself said that in the case of a PR your view is right that town would be more defensive. Pay attention.

[Zulfy]

Ryker mild town lean.

Whoaa explain this

[Zulfy]

@Ranmaru

VOTE: Transcend

Gamma does seem town, meta wise. I liked Mulch's response to Adum. Seemed genuine. He's been pretty active, and he responded well to my and other's pressure.

nono, ¿where has he responded well to the pressure? Must have missed it.

[Zulfy]

^ I didn't see Adum's same sentiment

[Zulfy]

Agent Sparkles +1
viewtopic.php?p=9212517#p9212517

viewtopic.php?p=9210207#p9210207
Ryker +1

Mulch +1
The whole I am conveniently firm in my belief that overdefensiveness is NAI exemplified here viewtopic.php?p=9210700#p9210700

Mulch +1

I don't think it's something that a townie would neccecarily go full ham on defending him for. It seems such a weird thing, and he is IMMEDIATELY almost white knighted for a LONG time by sparkles.

Mulch is using hyperbolic speech for something that seemed fairly benign to me.
Sparkles explained himself already and it seems pretty reasonable but still "such a weird thing" for Mulch, which seems unreasonable.

On the topic of Sparkles defending that one guy for asking those mod questions that Mulch didn't like AdumbroDeus says

Townie AF.

when it's not. I imagine the reasoning here though is how sloppy Mulch is being, in the sense that he just says these

things

, which I suppose isn't unreasonable metaplay.
Says

You're wrong though, what makes it a scumtell is being disingenuous, the scum incentive is there but town will do it all the time to stop bad lynches.

Which I would now like him to explain because I really am not seeing it.
But then:

Reasoning for it is really townie though.

I suppose he doesn't think Mulch is too bombastic to be town, but he actually likes the reasoning he's given. This doesn't seem right, cuz Mulch's reasoning

isn't

right.
AdumbroDeus +1 for you

Mulch +1
Back to 67 I lost in LYLO cuz scum looked squeaky clean compared to the character that was town and so I don't wanna fall for that again. Vote for people please. You literally do not scunrrad everyone

@Mulch

I want you to do more than show unearned condescenscion for a valid thought on 132

viewtopic.php?p=9211073#p9211073
Lol yea exactly wtf Ryker


+1 Mulch, ah damn!
viewtopic.php?p=9211048#p9211048
It feels like you are extending this artificially. Asking in thread for the sake of public information is enough of an answer.

Good luck smashing Ryker

[Zulfy]

Sparkles 1
Ryker 1
Mulch 1 2 3 4
AdumbroDeus 1

i don't like it

[Zulfy]

@

Zulfy

: #67, and he didn't clam up under pressure. He continued to be active and scumhunt. If you disagree, burden is on you to explain that.

The context of that pressure is being voted by one of his targets which can easily be brushed off and a vote from you that I think you're giving too much weight to. I'm unimpressed.

[Zulfy]

I've only digested the first 10 pages does anyone else have any more questions?

[Zulfy]

@

Zulfy

: #67, and he didn't clam up under pressure. He continued to be active and scumhunt. If you disagree, burden is on you to explain that.

wait so just so we're clear this is your response to my question of where he reacted well under pressure, I suppose I should have asked where he was pressured cuz that's what I had to look back at but all he does here is says that he didn't wanna vote and bemoaning the failure of his ingenious trap.

I'm not following.

Pedit:

If any player gets to 25 the game ends

those pluses are scumpoints

[Zulfy]

Believing that overdefensiveness is NAI lets you yourself act overdefensive and have an ideological base for not being self-conscious about that and also allows you to ignore any potential scumbuddies that would be acting that way.

Scum"ping" is a better term and the one I usually use. A single one doesn't mean much, it's the accumulation that interests me.

[Zulfy]

@

Zulfy

: #48 and on.

You asked him questions he would have the answer to, nothing anyone would really crumble because of.

[Zulfy]

That is one of the dumbest things I have ever heard. No matter WHAT my allignment I ever scumread people for being defensive. When I am town, I am MORE defenseives than if I am scum, not less, because I know that it is dumbly scrutinized and that I would get ---- if I was scum. It's a horrible thing to read because self preservation is natural in ALL people. If you were at L-3, I bet you would be defensive too no matter WHAT your allignment is

No I wouldn't be.

[Zulfy]

Ok, the hyperbolic speech is dumb too, I do it in all of my games, again no matter what allignment.

Hyperbolic speech is fine when it's not disingenuous. Sparkles wasn't going full ham on anything, he was just bringing up a counterargument. You were setting up a frame of discussion that benefited an erroneous outlook.

Pedit: He's not a newbie

[Zulfy]

Did you just metaread me as scum without knowing my meta?

Where did I metaread you?

[Zulfy]

You even said "It does not matter right now, but in the future it might", which allows you to avoid conflict now while prepping you for the future if you ever want to call ino a scumread to me.

This is a recurring complaint about my playstyle but I'll keep at it.

[Zulfy]

And do you think ALL people wouldent be?

And stop nitpicking- if you were at L-1 would you feel any annoyance at all

Most town players I have played with don't flip out when they're getting to L1.
And yea sure but I wouldn't be overdefensive. I'd just keep bringing up my points until either the wagon went away or I got lynched. Such is life.

[Zulfy]

What bothers me most is that 2 of the 4 points are based on meta without you even knowing my meta in the first place. That's ridiculous.

Haha false equivalence.
I can be wary of something that might be a scum strategy because I have seen it in the past regardless of the posts you have made in previous games.
Plus.
One.

[Zulfy]

Ranmaru, I'm going to call out things I see regardless of how much someone misspells things.

[Zulfy]

talking in caps

I don't give a poop if you talk in caps, you implying that I have is a straight up lie.

Pedit: No, feel free to discredit that one point as much as you want, I won't stop you. As I've said, all that matters to me is watching it build up and up.

[Zulfy]

I'm not gonna do more work than that one point is due.

[Zulfy]

You seem to have clinged to the only part of my argument you have a rebuttal against.

Pedit: I agree.

[Zulfy]

What was your answer to my fourth point?
Here:

So, stop avoiding it. WHY did you ask in thread?

But, I did say. I asked in thread because I didn't know and there was no reason not to have the information publicly available. I ask again, is there a reason not to ask in thread?

But is there a reason NOT to ask the mod?

"Why did you ask the teacher in class instead of asking her in private?"
"Well there wasn't any reason to not let the whole class know the answer to the question."
"But is there any reason NOT to ask the teacher?"

??? He's answered your question what are you going on about? I saw it as extending an argument that you're comfortable with, which is what scum usually do to keep up their activity while actually not bringing anything to the discussion.

[Zulfy]

Still here, had a bunch stuff I had to write and then the wifi gave out, my vla would have ended a day earlier otherwise.

Will catch up later today, there will be plusses and ones involved so anticipate accordingly

[Zulfy]

Wait shit am I too late?

[Zulfy]

Here

[Zulfy]

I did it

[Zulfy]

First the proxy didn't work and then when it did the wifi didn't and then I got distracted with not doing my schoolwork which made me feel bad but now I am here.

I remember when I tried posting the last time I was trying to post this snarky thing at Mulch but I don't feel like redoing that

[Zulfy]

Don't posture mane

[Zulfy]

I'm serious too. It's pretty obvious that that's what's expected from me after 30 pages of content without me. You're just saying these things and I don't see the motivation for it.

I'm gonna write something on my notepad now

[Zulfy]

Sorry I was reading something but I had to click on first unread post when I saw it and now I feel like I have to explain myself

[Zulfy]

First off excuse me Ranmaru I've never played with you before. It seems this is just what you're like

Spoiler: GAMMA EMERALD

It's two-fold: I didn't like his reaction to LaLight's content, and I feel the Zulfy push had scum on it.

Lemme take a look at LaLight's content. I did it.

RANMARU

Zulfy, can you do a catch up and full reads list? It's about that time now. I also want to know your bottom four, and I want a vote from you.

this is posturing +1

See above

LALIGHT

I don't like Mulch's play at all. Most of the posts are quite simple and empty, everyone who looks at him says he's newbie and tr's him. Actually, being newbie!scum is the easiest thing to do ever, because if you do something suspicious and strange like flailing, weak reasoning, etc. you may always say you're newbie and people will say, well, yeah, it works. There is, of course a problem that you may still be a town!newbie with all that stuff, but I don't buy it.

Fair but earlier you said

Mulch seems townie

Did you just take a closer look at things? +1

Firescreamer lurking for some time and coming into game aggressively and textwally after called for it is scummy imo.

Hipocrisy

RYKER

GAMMA

Still creeped by the timing

ahhh what was up with the timing? Was looking for it but it will be easier just to ask you
Ryker's mentionings of LaLight I mean.

It's 11:30 and I have a sharp headache. Will continue down this rabbit hole later tho

Excuse the formatting Ran

[Zulfy]

When I said excuse the formatting I meant the lack of neatness but excuse this also

[Zulfy]

First off excuse me Ranmaru I've never played with you before. It seems this is just what you're like

Spoiler: GAMMA EMERALD

It's two-fold: I didn't like his reaction to LaLight's content, and I feel the Zulfy push had scum on it.

Lemme take a look at LaLight's content. I did it.

Spoiler: LALIGHT

I don't like Mulch's play at all. Most of the posts are quite simple and empty, everyone who looks at him says he's newbie and tr's him. Actually, being newbie!scum is the easiest thing to do ever, because if you do something suspicious and strange like flailing, weak reasoning, etc. you may always say you're newbie and people will say, well, yeah, it works. There is, of course a problem that you may still be a town!newbie with all that stuff, but I don't buy it.

Fair but earlier you said

Mulch seems townie

Did you just take a closer look at things? +1

Firescreamer lurking for some time and coming into game aggressively and textwally after called for it is scummy imo.

Hipocrisy

RYKER

Spoiler: GAMMA

Still creeped by the timing

ahhh what was up with the timing? Was looking for it but it will be easier just to ask you
Ryker's mentionings of LaLight I mean.

It's 11:30 and I

tthere

[Zulfy]

If you're wondering how I'm gonna do this it's like: Gonna make sure your votes make sense and to do that I have to check things that unfortunately compel me to check other thing

okay night

[Zulfy]

FROZENFLAME



When asked about his bottom four

Prob Zulfy, Sparkles, LaLight, Gamma in nor particular order right now. Still thinking about where to push for real rn

his only post about Sparkles hitherto was

this post scumpings hard for me but I'm having trouble articulating it. Will try to do so after lunch

are u still eating

On me he said:

I'm not understanding zulfy's popularity can someone sell me on that wagon?

two posts earlier. Would like it elaborated.


Feel like this was mostly a jumping off point for you but would like to know what you were standing on.

[Zulfy]

UNVOTE:
Taking my rvs off

[Zulfy]

tammy's fine

[Zulfy]

This seems a bit less fueled by being rational but rather by emotion

Spoiler: read this exchange and tell me where passion overtakes reason

As for my Zulfy vote, I feel he's keeping vague on his scumreads by just saying "+1", which allows him to explain later with any logic he feels fits.

This is way off. He supported his scumreads in the same exact post that he listed those.

I didn't really notice it then

You noticed all the +1s but somehow missed the explanations right next to them?

Yeah

I don't think I buy this. If you were paying this little attention, I don't see how you'd come to the conclusion that he was being vague about all of his scumreads, much less doing it intentionally.

UNVOTE: Mulch

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

I was trying to read quickly since I was on mobile at the time.

What I'm trying to say is, how did you come to the conclusion that he wasn't supporting his reads if you weren't actually paying attention to whether he was?

I made an inference of motive. I'm sure I found something else scummy that's just what I articulated

I made an inference of motive. I'm sure I found something else scummy that's just what I articulated

I'm curious about what this other scummy thing was.

455 and 456, the ones ranmaru picked out, are strange ones to pick out from that whole thing.

What do you mean when you say 77 "doesn't go anywhere"?

ikr

Mulch wasn't null. He was a mixture of both and I wasn't sure which way I was leaning yet. As I got caught up the scum pings became noticably stronger than the town ones.Which question by LaLight? ANd FF never answered me so I'm waiting for that.

Sparkles doesn't challenge the weird bit about playing with his emotions and not using logic
doesn't protest that he's been busy/unmotivated

And on another note, thinks that a net zero and null are completely different concepts.

Anyway when there's so much to pick from Sparkles just sort of accepts it. It's possible these two are buddies and ranmaru is the one driving the bus

+1 Ranmaru for the misrepresentation of sparkles' push on gamma
+1 sparkles for what I just mentioned

[Zulfy]

Hi transcend.

[Zulfy]

but do you like me

[Zulfy]

Could be confirmation bias but he does seem to be doing more actual scum hunting there whereas here most of it is focused on mulch and the defensiveness and hyperbole.

that's not true

[Zulfy]

sigh

I could have been more active but at least I was right

[Zulfy]

Great job tho scumteam geeze

And yea Ran I know I know