Mini Normal 1919: Endgame

[Fykus]

hey guys only up to page 6 but im off to work so ill finish catching up there.

also VOTE: boon

he knows what hes done lol.

[Fykus]

My god what a shit show of 17 pages. Will post properly after work

[Fykus]

Yeah, I don't even know where to begin. I sure as fuck ain't reading back through the game though.

FWIW I played a game with two face once and from what I remember he tunneled hard on those he thought were scum so I guess that's not really a good tell for him. I'll post some more thoughts as they come to me.

[Fykus]

Yeah, I don't even know where to begin. I sure as fuck ain't reading back through the game though.

FWIW I played a game with two face once and from what I remember he tunneled hard on those he thought were scum so I guess that's not really a good tell for him. I'll post some more thoughts as they come to me.

This makes me wonder why you don't want to read through the game though. Is it because you're scum so you feel that you don't need to look through because you know you're scum? I mean the only reason why a town would look through is to try to see who's scum and who isn't.

Shuffleplay and Branson did that. Well idk about Shuffleplay but Branson proved it. You didn't, and don't want to too. That is suspicious to me. You're now lean scum/null to me because of this.

So far, Branson and Trivium read Strong town to me right now.

The first 10 or so pages are literally shitposting with nothing that is AI. It'll be a chore to have to read through that part again, and even though I don't particuarly want to, I'll be forced to go back through it eventually and try and make sense of that mess.

[Fykus]

Be safe twoface. We love you

[Fykus]

Not sure how I feel about the wagon on tacos atm. To me it seems like over enthusiastic newb town or something. Like as soon as people started to call them out on the spam they've kind of completely closed off to the game, sort of like they got their feelings hurt or something. Heres a bit of a readlist I've compiled though, I intend to try and get through some ISO's or possibly attempt to re-read the game, as painful as that will be.

Please note, readlist isn't in order:

town
empiricus
taco
twoface

null
tchill13
carcalily
mulch

scum
klazam

[Fykus]

Good to hear twoface. We love you

[Fykus]

You seem whiny when I put you back to idk scum instead of leaving you in town.

Want that read from me, then prove it

I'm not necessarily interested in your read on me itself. Just pointing out the fact that you keep changing it.

UNVOTE:

The tacos wagon is dying it seems. I'll reread a bit and see who seems scummiest at the moment

Thats some dodgy reasoning right there

[Fykus]

mulch, fykus, boonskies and dunkerdoodles don't seem to be scum hunting much at all at this point. That's 4 out of 13 people right? There's a good chance scums in there.

Sorry, I've had some issues I've been having to deal with...I'm not caught up at all. I'll do one of my rainbow reads to get myself into this game when I get like 2 hours to just sit down and read this game.

Im excited

[Fykus]

VOTE: mulch

[Fykus]

Put your money where your mouth is taco

[Fykus]

Ok

UNVOTE: mulch

[Fykus]

Me and mulch are scum buddies

[Fykus]

Also I've been getting a bad gut feelin' from Fykus for some reason,, if u didn't see my questioning before, it exists man.

Fykus, are you actually busy or? Your reasoning seems to be bare minimum if not absent in a lot of your points.

Sorry, I'm still trying to find my "jumping off point". Hoping to get properly involved sometime today.

And Fykus kinda sheeped a couple times in ways I didn't like either.

You mean like this

VOTE: branson

[Fykus]

Spoiler:

Tbh I like this taco play a lot- can confirm I know him irl and what he's doing I see as town yeah. Could be maniuplating but nah I don't think so at the moment. I did see someone that pinged me earlier on my skim but I cant be fucked to go back and look at the moment.

See you all wednesday

mod, noted. I will adjust. Also wtf there's a unvote tag now-
what is it

okay yeah. VOTE: Sergtacos Youre being OVERLY aware of your selfmeta and manipulating your play to fit within that meta. Die. Im sorry bro, i didnt want to hang you on D1 but there it is.

I'm gonna reread again and catch up later tonight. Serg is town, I'm fairly confident on that at this moment.

Ok, so basically if you all take a look at klazam's ISO you'll see 0 actual scumhunting in there. Yeah you can turn that back around on me and say the same thing, but hes got 42 posts in the game already - surely you'd think there'd be some scum hunting interspersed in there. Another thing I noticed is his constant flip flop reads on taco. In the beginning of the game he reads taco as town blah blah blah but as the game goes on (and people started scum reading taco for all of his spam) he changes his reads to fit with everyone else - saying that taco is suddenly scum. Once the wagon on taco fell apart though you can see that he goes back to a strong town read on him again.

Another thing (probably NAI) is the lack of quoting. Like reading through the ISO is a pain in the ass because you don't know what hes responding to so to get a proper feel of it you have to re-read those sections of the game. Seems like this is a good strategy for scum to adopt, but maybe this is just his playstyle, can anyone vouch for that?

VOTE: klazam

I'm confident to put my vote here for the moment.

[Fykus]

If he claimed already, I want him lynched. PR more likely to be killed if we continue.

wait what who claimed?

[Fykus]

can we get a vote count please teebs

[Fykus]

best mod ever

agreed.

thanks teebs, its really refreshing to see a mod thats excited about modding

[Fykus]

I completely disagree with saying Klazam isn't scum hunting. I feel like he's doing really well with sorting people and sorting through potential fabricated cases.

@Tchill - If you were to push Fykus for something like that

then

I would definitely be okay with it.

are you reading the same ISO as I am? The only person it looks like hes "sorted" is taco. Theres not even a readlist in there.

[Fykus]

Well, I didn't actually read the case, so there could be a problem in that lol

thats a BIG problem mulch.

[Fykus]

Idk I just really like the townie motivation for "he isn't scumhunting" whihc is literally the best reason to scumhunt anyone ever except for gutreads imo

yeah gotta love them gutreads.

[Fykus]

Idk I just really like the townie motivation for "he isn't scumhunting" whihc is literally the best reason to scumhunt anyone ever except for gutreads imo

yeah gotta love them gutreads.

I'm not being sarcastic, I think they are more reliable than logic reads

as someone who's gut reads are wrong 90% of the time

ew

lold

[Fykus]

Spoiler:

Tbh I like this taco play a lot- can confirm I know him irl and what he's doing I see as town yeah. Could be maniuplating but nah I don't think so at the moment. I did see someone that pinged me earlier on my skim but I cant be fucked to go back and look at the moment.

See you all wednesday

mod, noted. I will adjust. Also wtf there's a unvote tag now-
what is it

okay yeah. VOTE: Sergtacos Youre being OVERLY aware of your selfmeta and manipulating your play to fit within that meta. Die. Im sorry bro, i didnt want to hang you on D1 but there it is.

I'm gonna reread again and catch up later tonight. Serg is town, I'm fairly confident on that at this moment.

Ok, so basically if you all take a look at klazam's ISO you'll see 0 actual scumhunting in there. Yeah you can turn that back around on me and say the same thing, but hes got 42 posts in the game already - surely you'd think there'd be some scum hunting interspersed in there. Another thing I noticed is his constant flip flop reads on taco. In the beginning of the game he reads taco as town blah blah blah but as the game goes on (and people started scum reading taco for all of his spam) he changes his reads to fit with everyone else - saying that taco is suddenly scum. Once the wagon on taco fell apart though you can see that he goes back to a strong town read on him again.

Another thing (probably NAI) is the lack of quoting. Like reading through the ISO is a pain in the ass because you don't know what hes responding to so to get a proper feel of it you have to re-read those sections of the game. Seems like this is a good strategy for scum to adopt, but maybe this is just his playstyle, can anyone vouch for that?

VOTE: klazam

I'm confident to put my vote here for the moment.

This is fair, yeah, i was focusing on trying to get a read on taco, basically all my posts related to him was reaction testing to see if hes behaving as i think he would as town.

me not quoting is mainly because quoting is a pain on my phone.

Im gonna reread the game and then post, then if you still want me hung, feel free. I apologize for flaking from the game so far, been distracted with other stuff.

all good, i sympathise with you about the phone posting.

UNVOTE: klazam

[Fykus]

VOTE: tchill

if that is the way the winds are blowing, let no one say I don't also blow

[Fykus]

if chilly flips town then we should probably look into vedith tomorrow

[Fykus]

DunkerDoodles>Chilly lynch imo

I'm willing to trust you on this if you can show me a case

[Fykus]

I'm scum and so is Tchill and Mulch.

Did anyone see this? He admitted scum and revealed his team. He should be permanent banned.

the fuck is this?

VOTE: taco

[Fykus]

I'm scum and so is Tchill and Mulch.

Did anyone see this? He admitted scum and revealed his team. He should be permanent banned.

the fuck is this?

VOTE: taco

just joking honestly. was playing around with this.

Anyway lets vote Tchill, get on it.

boon what are your thoughts on this?

[Fykus]

UNVOTE: taco

im gonna take some time to think shit over.

[Fykus]

I'm scum and so is Tchill and Mulch.

Did anyone see this? He admitted scum and revealed his team. He should be permanent banned.

the fuck is this?

VOTE: taco

just joking honestly. was playing around with this.

Anyway lets vote Tchill, get on it.

boon what are your thoughts on this?

that Klazam's probably town. His join date is 2010; that's like 100% not the scum team. I havent met anyone I could see as that ballsy, and Klazam doesn't even seem trolly.

I'm more asking about the fact that taco edited a klazam quote. Klazam didn't actually say that shit.

[Fykus]

VOTE: tchill

thats L-1

[Fykus]

your avatar

[Fykus]

Hey guys just posting to let you know I'm around, I'll post some substance soon. Particuarly going to look at tchill/carc stuff to see if I can spot any more potential connections

[Fykus]

Hello everybody!

VOTE: Tchill13

Howdy!

And... Why.

Not sure how the fuck I missed this the first time around.

VOTE: Tchill13

why

I'm 12 years old and what is this?

VOTE: trivium

[Fykus]

Literally best mod ever

[Fykus]

I was about to ask why you weren't voting trivium then but then I was like DERRRR.

[Fykus]

This game is e z p z.

Thanks vedith, you truly are the king of kings.

[Fykus]

Permission to spam again now the game is literally over

[Fykus]

[Fykus]

Ill be posting this afternoon after work i hope, have been busy irl the last few days so i apologise. Ill keep an eye on the game at work incase anything needs to happen fast or whatever. Willing to trust boons gut on this today but id like to express my own views first

[Fykus]

Ok, so I'm a 3-shot vanilla cop.

n1: taco - vanilla - chose him because he was the counterwagon on day 1.
n2: emp - vanilla - after trivium flipped town I figured this would probably be the next reasonable lynch candidate.

1 shot left. open to suggestions

[Fykus]

I duno, I guess I could see it happening since there was an unlimited shot vig in the game (vedith) and the chances of him hitting one of us would be pretty high. Plus the fact that boon is an odd night cop and I've only got 3 chances to investigate seems to counterbalance one another from a setup standpoint. I wouldn't be surprised if we had some kind of healing role sprinkled in here somewhere. Don't forget that roleblockers are considered pretty OP in mafia so town has to counterbalance that power.

[Fykus]

Like I said, I can see why town would have these roles considering we had an unlimited shot vig. In the wrong hands we could of lost a couple of PR's and town would be stuffed in regards to investigation

[Fykus]

I want fykus to answer that directly.

Answer what sorry?

VOTE: emp

Couldnt there be some way to prove my claim with my last shot tonight?

[Fykus]

Also, do you(general you) think it's likely that we have only one limited roleblocker as a scum power role here?

I like to read a lot of theory and the general consensus is that a scum RB is extremely powerful so yeah I don't think thered be a second mafia PR. Going off of this theory it leads me to the conclusion that if I target mafia with my ability then they will return a vanilla result (mafia goon), so therefore I'm voting emp.

[Fykus]

Where sorry i must of missed it

[Fykus]

VOTE: tchill

if that is the way the winds are blowing, let no one say I don't also blow

an L-2 vote on Tchill just because the winds are blowing that way?

this is the only thing you posted on that page that looks anything like a question?
assuming you mean this its a quote from the simpsons

[Fykus]

n1: taco - vanilla - chose him because he was the counterwagon on day 1.

this is a horrible reason btw.

why would you choose the counter wagon to scum to investigate? if anything him being a counter to scum would clear him.

In another game someone said that the cop should always investigate the counter wagon.

VOTE: tchill

if that is the way the winds are blowing, let no one say I don't also blow

an L-2 vote on Tchill just because the winds are blowing that way?

[Fykus]

woops, accidentally posted before finishing. Underneath quote 2 I was gonna say I answered this just before.

[Fykus]

In another game someone said that the cop should always investigate the counter wagon.

Link? Because I find it hard to believe that somebody said to investigate a counter wagon to scum.

Typically a counter wagon to scum is on town. That's why it's a counter wagon.

Hmm, fair point. Sorry I haven't had cop roles many times before, i think this is my second actual cop role and the third was a joat with cop actions. Can't link the game though sorry, its [against the rules]

[Fykus]

sorry teebs

[Fykus]

sure, put a vote on emp

[Fykus]

First of all

UNVOTE: emp

alright, looking at the gunsmith investigations from a mafia perspective, the taco investigation definitely makes sense here. (goddamnit if dunk is scum, mulch was right, ugh ugh dont wanna reward that behavior)

This game is a total headache.

I sense this game has all the jack of trades have trust issues to the max xD

Actually I rather not say how I figured it out. It was kinda gut based but I found out something. Rather not say because supposed you are scum you would be avoiding that mistake, or even others. Don't want you or others avoiding that mistake so, sorry. AND if you're town and you made that mistake and that convinced me you're scum but you're really town, I'm sorry xD

This post kinda rubs me the wrong way?
I can s definitely see the Town motivation but... Ehh, I feel like it doesn't benefit Town to keep secrets.

I'll tell ya' why...
It leaves your teammates in the dark of what you're thinking. Scum could actually be found if they avoid it obviously, as scum would be very concerned on how they look to other players. And, other players could look out for it with you.

If ya post it publicly, everyone sees it. Town and scum alike. So if there's an advantage, exploit it?

Know what would suck? If I die tonight before I could use that secret xD

I stumbled across these yesterday when I was looking through tacos ISO for any reason why mafia may have targeted him. Could make sense from a mafia gunsmith perspective to check whether he was a joat with some sort of cop role maybe?

[Fykus]

In retrospect though, why would a mafia gunsmith who gets a no gun result on someone they think is JOAT kill them? Unless it was to throw town off or they thought that they were joat but without cop roles maybe

[Fykus]

this game is doing my head in lol

[Fykus]

@Fykus - That actually looks pretty solid; I like it.

But who's more likely to be looking for those kinds of things. Town or scum?

What if he found those (and I know this may sound crazy, but) because he is scum looking for crumbs?

why would i be crumb hunting as scum AFTER the fact?

[Fykus]

Fair enough. So I'm targeting 2f tonight yeah?

[Fykus]

VOTE: branson

I'm gonna trust you on this one boon.

[Fykus]

Tf IS vanilla

[Fykus]

Gonns appear as vanilla according to wiki

[Fykus]

Goons*

[Fykus]

Sorry i havent posted yet today. Im at work so its hard to do much of anything since im phone posting. How can it be lylo with 3 town 1 scum? Also im not doubting you or anything but how are you town conf again? Im happy with a no lynch if thats what you guys want. However id prefer you wait til i finish work so i can take a good look at the game. Will be home in 7 or 8 hours

[Fykus]

How am i awkward b-baka

[Fykus]

I was in a rush to read the 10 pages after the game reopened and i had time to get on so i must have missed umluats post

[Fykus]

oh. well then.

VOTE: klazam

[Fykus]

Thanks for the game everyone. Teebs you're definitely the best mod I've had in a game before, thanks for hosting. Its refreshing to see a mod actually care about the game they're hosting. <3

[Fykus]

People I don't like for town

Chilly
Carcalilly
Fykus

People I do like
Boonskiies
Taco
Mulch

Rest are nobodies

as soon as you posted that i was like yeah hes the night kill

[Fykus]

i wish boon had stayed, i wanted to break that no lynch record of his lol

[Fykus]

Id appreciate any feedback also. This is my second scum game

[Fykus]

Thanks for the kind words everyone. Also pre in me into your large please teebs. Youre a great mod