Mini Normal 1921 - Town Win

[mykonian]

hi

[mykonian]

vote rb

[mykonian]

impoetic and cloudkicker have played a few times on here but not as much as the other two and me

yeah add me. Hi.

[mykonian]

I can live with that.

vote robb

[mykonian]

he overexplains and yet you feel like letting him off the hook. :/

[mykonian]

He asked. I explained. There was no over explanation

I shouldn't even be on any hook anyway. The game hasn't even started yet so none of this matters.

of course it matters. You read your role pm.

vote robb

[mykonian]

i still haven't flipped scum against a town!rb and i still pray everyday that day never comes.

this one?

meh.

[mykonian]

you coulda like, sent a PM that this started lol.

tell of a pro mod that you forget

VOTE: mafiaR

Reason? It's page four, lets try some effort by now.

[mykonian]

RB and cloud, why are you parroting transcend?

it has a question mark
it's not a question, it's an accusation.

[mykonian]

RB and cloud, why are you parroting transcend?

it has a question mark
it's not a question, it's an accusation.

So are you saying that they don't have to respond because it's not a question?

If your mom asks you "have you cleaned your room" while she damn well knows it's a mess, you aren't asked to answer. You are asked to clean your room, there's no yes or no answer.

If you are going to be a needy fuck about your questions, at least make them be actual questions. I for one would be a lot happier if Robb just accused and voted at this stage rather than accusing through a throwaway question then insisting it'd be answered without any effort on his side.

[mykonian]

this whole talk about tone is pointless

ok, fine.

Why did you want us to disregard your pregame posts?

[mykonian]

trying to figure out if robb is annoying town or annoying scum. Currently leaning the latter. Both are obstructionist, the former doesn't tend to actually talk so much. But not quite settled on that yet.

And you and your crew are overdoing the laid back attitude a lot. Come on, play with us

the frog is an alt which is slightly bothersome because he's playing a role, meaning it's harder to tell he's playing another (mafia).

[mykonian]

I'm sorry for being annoying but it's annoying to be scum read for something that isn't alignment indicative.

at least it's on the mark and that's all I ask from it <3

[mykonian]

unvote

Last couple of pages are a mess. RB can be blunt, I think he employed it here though, I feel there was a motive. It was worse than usual. First thing that comes to mind is that he does it because he was scum and would get away with being more annoying, taking people out by dragging the game down.

Next question is if RB is smart enough for that.

[mykonian]

Maria seems esspecially selfabsorbed this time too.

vote Maria

[mykonian]

I'm historically much more toxic as town than scum. Look at my wiki. If you think me being toxic is alignment indicative you'd be wrong.

Generally i'm only toxic towards a specific type of rigid player personality that plays the game like, "i believe x is a scum thing and u did X!!!", basically ignoring context in favour of pointless rigidity and insisting people are bad because their thinking patterns are so narrow they literally can't decipher different contexts.

AKA Titus, robb, Thor and that's probably the only 3 players so far that I've found insanely unfun to play with so far I guess?

Unfortunately I'm still failing at getting through to people like this without being toxic.

2 days in and we reached selfmeta defense already?

vote RB

[mykonian]

Well transcend, seen that you worry about lurkers: A guy has a solid quarter of the posts and I dont even know who he suspects. All I know is that he finds robb insufferable and acts like a dick about it. He's said nothing at all in relation to the game.

[mykonian]

Sorry if I mess up this game. I'm not a great player but I'll do my best to at least avoid being a liability.

oh boy, now you've done it...

[mykonian]

Someone talk to me so I don't sub out thanks.

no subbing out for you, impo is outdoing you at your game (and you need to read her for me).

Maria seems esspecially selfabsorbed this time too.

vote Maria

I don't know about especially self-absorbed but I agree that maria's been somewhat suspicious ftr

Put it this way, I think Maria enjoys, "playing with people", having her persona. That implies someone to target that at, and she's being really introspective. Previous post as well actually. I think that's easier to slip into as scum. But we'll see.

unvote

Last couple of pages are a mess. RB can be blunt, I think he employed it here though, I feel there was a motive. It was worse than usual. First thing that comes to mind is that he does it because he was scum and would get away with being more annoying, taking people out by dragging the game down.

Next question is if RB is smart enough for that.

my question is whether he would be willing to, since what he said was far more obnoxious if he knew robb to be town and as stupid as the read is, I have trouble thinking that's the case. I don't know RB though.

Think I have half a decent bead on the guy, but you might be right.

[mykonian]

is it just me or does this setup seem kinda stacked

for us

oh

please

Does this work with your friends? You can go on the scumpile.

[mykonian]

Impoe is out doing my game oh shit

Hi mykon how's you

quite alright. Had a midnight plate of pasta, how bad could it be

How about you, Maria?

[mykonian]

yeah that can happily die. Lets end up there if we can't think of anything better.

[mykonian]

yeah, meta on someone else is quite a bit different from explaining everything you do as: "I never do this this much as scum". For one it's bullshit. You are aware of selfmeta, so you can modulate it. Second, it's usually a last resort defense. Should you choose to defend, you explain why it makes sense to make that play as town. If everything fails and you go full AtE you explain how what these accusers see is just your normal playstyle: "can't you see???". I expect selfmeta close to a lynch after a bunch of arguing. Not straight up at the second vote 48 hours into the game. It's a non argument, it's a denial of actually having any good reason to make the play you do or you'd have gone for that instead.

It doesn't look like a defense at all. It looks like you are trying to sell me a pretty story how your town play should look like. And I don't like that a bit.

[mykonian]

@myko

Can you tell me a way to possibly refute someone's read on my meta without talking about my meta?

yeah, meta on someone else is quite a bit different from explaining everything you do as: "I never do this this much as scum". For one it's bullshit. You are aware of selfmeta, so you can modulate it. Second, it's usually a last resort defense. Should you choose to defend, you explain why it makes sense to make that play as town. If everything fails and you go full AtE you explain how what these accusers see is just your normal playstyle: "can't you see???". I expect selfmeta close to a lynch after a bunch of arguing. Not straight up at the second vote 48 hours into the game. It's a non argument, it's a denial of actually having any good reason to make the play you do or you'd have gone for that instead.

It doesn't look like a defense at all. It looks like you are trying to sell me a pretty story how your town play should look like. And I don't like that a bit.

[mykonian]

I think you're very wrong on some stuff but I actually think your 'mindset' is correct for town. Your engagement + activity is 10x better than myko for example.

Can I ask what prompted this read change? Just 6 posts prior you lynched me and were scum reading me pretty hard.

I think I can answer this one. RB attacked you because you were voting him, plain and simple omgus. Transcend preferred me, and I don't think rb would ever get something going on you with the positive responses your posts got from other people.

[mykonian]

might as well shout at robb then and validate RB's claim that he's not sheeping you

[mykonian]

because you are supposed to have a read on impo for me.

[mykonian]

so impo, how do you plead?

stiff or innocent?

[mykonian]

Come on, that's not the answer I was asking for Do you feel stiff?

because you are supposed to have a read on impo for me.

well she IS voting me, so i'm taking that as a purported scumread. I don't know if she has any special meta with which she used to read me though, and this game indicates that if she does, she's not using it or it no longer applies.

I found it strange that the first time you asked this of maria was shortly after you outed a scumread on her.

It's playstyle related. You two look like you have similarities to me. So I wanted her point of view.

[mykonian]

I can't trust what you say, but I can read into the intent and tone of it?

Think she's wrong about you ftr. But we'll see.

[mykonian]

I meant you were treating MariaR's read as if you had forgotten your sr on her.

Regardless, I'd like more out of her? She's rather noncommittal still.

[mykonian]

I'm sincerely not sure whether I feel "stiff" or not, so I guess that would be a "no"? It depends how you define it. I'm not exactly nervous, though.

I just want to figure out how to play well.

I still think it's odd that you're talking like you can directly trust the reads of your scumread.

So the problem with impo I'm having, and this post happens to have both examples, but it's at other places in her posts as well, is two clashing opinions.

With the amount of testosterone flying around at times, I get that bolded invites to shine our armours and ready the horse. It makes me really hesitant to call Impo town, decent risk there.

On the other hand, as italic shows, there's a decent amount of paranoia, which fits less well with a playfull insecurity (because that comes from a position of control), and more so with truly insecure town.

So I'm not as comfortable in my townread of impo as I perhaps should be, but nevertheless it's there.

[mykonian]

Did I?

Otherwise, re: robb read:

unvote

Last couple of pages are a mess. RB can be blunt, I think he employed it here though, I feel there was a motive. It was worse than usual. First thing that comes to mind is that he does it because he was scum and would get away with being more annoying, taking people out by dragging the game down.

Next question is if RB is smart enough for that.

can't really mesh it with rb being scum at the same time, and for rb the scumtells have added up over time for me.

[mykonian]

About rb:

I feel that his crudeness re: robb had ulterior motives. I think he was picking a fight to have a fight and I see that as a ploy to mess up a game thread (actually made an md post about this recently)
I think early on he had a very low signal/noise ratio. He's consistently has posted more than 2nd and 3rd most frequent poster together, and for the longest time I didn't actually know all that much about what he thought.
His reads seem to have two sources: trascend, the stronger town voice rn, and people on rb's wagon. The first could happen, some people like following, but then that is not rb's personality whatsoever. Could not be further from that. His focus on the people who are on him feels scummy on top.

[mykonian]

oh, also when arguing he didn't catch that I copied my earlier post in an answer: take from that what you will, but I don't think rb was paying attention

[mykonian]

Anyone who keeps there vote on rb gets maria stamp of I will vote.

hit me.

You called out someone for an overreaction before. Here we have a masculine guy, who had no problem getting personal a day in just for kicks (toxicity is his meta, his words), but with all his strong language, 3 days in and 4 votes on him he stamps his feet and DOES NOT WANT TO PLAY ANYMORE.

Sue me, I'm not believing the fists balled/held back tears act. He had a multipoint case on him, he could have replied, yet this evident asshole goes full AtE straight away.

[mykonian]

Anyone who keeps there vote on rb gets maria stamp of I will vote.

hit me.

You called out someone for an overreaction before. Here we have a masculine guy, who had no problem getting personal a day in just for kicks (toxicity is his meta, his words), but with all his strong language, 3 days in and 4 votes on him he stamps his feet and DOES NOT WANT TO PLAY ANYMORE.

Sue me, I'm not believing the fists balled/held back tears act. He had a multipoint case on him, he could have replied, yet this evident asshole goes full AtE straight away.

You see the thing is.
Impoe doesn't act like that
rb does in many games

there's a dif.

You mean that this guy has a habit of using L-3, 72 hours in as a reason to go nuclear?

This I got to see! By chance, would you have games for me to read?

I think that fight early on does little in the way of messing the game thread up, but I guess I could be wrong.

Eh, put it this way: what did you actually gain from it? It's pages to read rb's oneliners and robb's walls, with actual little information. I'm not a fan.

unvote

Last couple of pages are a mess. RB can be blunt, I think he employed it here though, I feel there was a motive. It was worse than usual. First thing that comes to mind is that he does it because he was scum and would get away with being more annoying, taking people out by dragging the game down.

Next question is if RB is smart enough for that.

Do you think he's overdoing trying to match his town meta?

It's what i've seen from other cruder players, I'd expect it, yes. The key question for me is whether he'd employ it ahead of trouble to be ahead of the curve, setting the tone for the game etc (which implies some strategy, lets say cleverness), or he's escalate too quickly when he'd get in trouble (just employing the tools you have in your meta for different reasons, when the opportunity arises). The latter I'm more familiar with. And with this latest episode, even if he's scum, he's not much of a strategist.


Also not seeing Flairs being scum. Their posts make sense to me coming from them. Transcend, you've got meta on these EM players: which stand out to you?

[mykonian]

hey, Maria, you are here! Would you have a reply to my previous post?

[mykonian]

Why do you think ateing right away is so scummy that can just be someone's reaction to things.

Ate'ing happens.

Ate'ing 3 days in, with a stalled wagon at 4 votes just because someone posted a couple of lines about you? That doesn't happen. It's such an overreaction. Even if he's town I don't buy it that he's not just trying to manipulate people acting like this.

But you claim he does it as town. It makes no sense to me whatsoever. And sure I could search, but you would know of examples and could actually point me to games to read. I'd have to search through his entire history.

[mykonian]

About rb:

I feel that his crudeness re: robb had ulterior motives. I think he was picking a fight to have a fight and I see that as a ploy to mess up a game thread (actually made an md post about this recently)
I think early on he had a very low signal/noise ratio. He's consistently has posted more than 2nd and 3rd most frequent poster together, and for the longest time I didn't actually know all that much about what he thought.
His reads seem to have two sources: trascend, the stronger town voice rn, and people on rb's wagon. The first could happen, some people like following, but then that is not rb's personality whatsoever. Could not be further from that. His focus on the people who are on him feels scummy on top.

well no, hardly. Before the AtE bs that was why I was on him and wanted him lynched.

I don't really see counterwagons for counterwagons sake. It's dumb. They'll appear. MS has enough special snowflakes that you never just get a wagon pushed through within a day. There's no need to force that, just push a player who you think scummy and see what happens?

I'm sincerely not sure whether I feel "stiff" or not, so I guess that would be a "no"? It depends how you define it. I'm not exactly nervous, though.

I just want to figure out how to play well.

I still think it's odd that you're talking like you can directly trust the reads of your scumread.

So the problem with impo I'm having, and this post happens to have both examples, but it's at other places in her posts as well, is two clashing opinions.

With the amount of testosterone flying around at times, I get that bolded invites to shine our armours and ready the horse. It makes me really hesitant to call Impo town, decent risk there.

On the other hand, as italic shows, there's a decent amount of paranoia, which fits less well with a playfull insecurity (because that comes from a position of control), and more so with truly insecure town.

So I'm not as comfortable in my townread of impo as I perhaps should be, but nevertheless it's there.

Are my thoughts about impo. I won't join you for now.

[mykonian]

and I just want to say I am really mad. I didn't want to come into this game and death tunnell somebody. I wanted to be a good boy and play well with others. some bully comes in and starts talking shit, the bully is getting what he deserves.

Time to replace out. The game isn't fun for you clearly, it's just day one and only 4 days in so far, the mod can still easily find replacements. Cut your losses.

VOTE: Dunkerdoodles

let's dunk this

solid.

[mykonian]

Time to replace out. The game isn't fun for you clearly, it's just day one and only 4 days in so far, the mod can still easily find replacements. Cut your losses.

So let a bully win? No sir.

I put that nicely for you.

So he made the game personal beyond reason: report it, let the listmods look at it, and play on.
But you aren't playing on. You are making this game into the battleground for your little vendetta. And I can't care less about that. Kindly go away. You aren't playing this game anymore, don't force us to pretend you are.

[mykonian]

lets just settle on a dunk lynch pls

sssh, don't let them in on that secret.

[mykonian]

Why is mykonian telling robb to replace apparently for just tunneling when all myko is doing is just tunneling?

r u ok

Alright, Transcend, since you have an understanding of how RB's mind works, do this post we me, please?

If I were to look at it, I'd give RB the benefit of the doubt and assume that he did read my post. It's not too long, even though his posting style seems to imply that he's not holding thoughts for all that long and moves quickly between them. So assuming that, I feel that one, it's a false comparison (hope you agree), and second, given that RB puts it out there as a question he knows: he's not fully committing. I see this as a purely manipulative post then, but I assume you'd have a different point of view. Would you give yours?

For reference, posts of mine that it talks about:

Time to replace out. The game isn't fun for you clearly, it's just day one and only 4 days in so far, the mod can still easily find replacements. Cut your losses.

So let a bully win? No sir.

I put that nicely for you.

So he made the game personal beyond reason: report it, let the listmods look at it, and play on.
But you aren't playing on. You are making this game into the battleground for your little vendetta. And I can't care less about that. Kindly go away. You aren't playing this game anymore, don't force us to pretend you are.

[mykonian]

Boonskiies replaces MariaR. TellTaleHeart replaces Robbnva.

6 days in, 3 replacements. Fucking epic.

I for one got nothing from Maria so you get a blank slate Boon. Use it wisely.

Town here lol

I had a post for you. Would love to hear your thoughts.

[mykonian]

Well that fits that he dodges when I try to engage him on rb, he doesn't care about rb's interactions with the rest, he might've cared about that slot. good call. Also explains the coaching 72 hours in.

vote transcend

[mykonian]

why does he defend me when he can lynch me tho

Because your signal-noise ratio is incredibly low.
Because you sheep him by habit.
The way you've acted you can't actually have any influence on a town whatsoever.

Say you are town, if I were scum I'd keep you around. You are harmless.

[mykonian]

I don't know where your tantrum goes from here. You went to defcon 1 straight away. Are you going to selfvote some more, threaten to leave the site some more? I think we got a decent measure of your person there. Not in control whatsoever. That isn't antagonism, that's me reading the game. If I were scum, you'd be my best pal, you shit up the thread, and are a liability to town elsewhere. I wouldn't want you lynched.

myko i know that since you're either confbiased or just scum this will not penetrate your brain but it's very weird to be told that i have very little influence on a town when i have multiple times on a whim managed to get whatever my strongest scumread is, lynched when i want them lynched

the longer you insist on telling untruths, the less patience i'm gonna have for you later

and that's a very bad thing for you because my activity and effort here is about 1/17th of my true p0wer

What's next. Navy seal copypasta? get real.

[mykonian]

hello

i think mykon is town

transcend could be mafia but i think it would hurt the town a ton if it's a mislynch so let's not do that

i don't like this VOTE: flairs

or nicol

boonskiies is giving valid (for the most part) reads can we not lynch him thanks

Matt's probably the towniest catch up of them all. I did think ck was town as well, I can go with that read for today.

The play so far isn't what I'd have expected out of Boon scum, but we'll see. Time will tell.

[mykonian]

I didn't know I had a quote lined up, must have misclicked. Apologies.

[mykonian]

I need the towncred.

[mykonian]

I probably should reread someday. I've got too many townreads. Something for the weekend I guess.

[mykonian]

I probably should reread someday. I've got too many townreads. Something for the weekend I guess.

You could lend me some of yours because I'm finding townreads to be in low supply here.
I have you, rb, projectmatt, and Impoetic and that's it. I have a few ~townfeels~ from a smattering of others but in those cases there's something preventing me from making me happy with a townread.

Yeah I'm sorry, that's what I mean. I have the same. Lots of townfeels, so I need to investigate them some more.

[mykonian]

14 pages in 18 hours. I'm going to have to read rb being more of an idiot, boon trying to scrape some reads together and trascend posting snarky oneliners, don't I?

[mykonian]

oh for fucks sake matt. The idea of not taking someone's reads seriously is not to then get into a oneliner dick measuring contest with them.

You three, rb, boon and matt really need to cut the shitposting.

How does one even reply to this. Spoiler/quotes?

[mykonian]

and i usually dont get mad over mafia games but youre actually infuriating me

This is the point when actually disengaging would be good.

halfway boon pbpa: QFT.

[mykonian]

Spoiler: boon's lead on myko

ok

by valid i meant reasonable

Is it, though?
I feel like this idea that rb was a scum driven wagon has never really been satisfactorily explained and a couple (scummy) people grabbed onto it. There are a couple somewhat sketchy rb wagoners, namely Flairs and dunker, but honestly I wouldn't be surprised if rb was an all-town wagon.

what makes you town read Myko?

rb and myko is tvt i think.
tth feels off idk why ill iso them.

Explain this more, please. the tvt.

I'm not necessarily scum reading Myko, but I don't quite understand why people can be so sure he's town, which is what TTH was implying with her post on not being surprised if it was all town bar Dunker and Flairs.

TTH is always off to me. She has that style I always find scummy, but I think I've mislynched her before. I think I've almost gotten vengekilled by her before too, but just barely got away from it (I could be wrong on this).

So I think I was somewhat right on boons trying to scrape reads together. And I think this progression makes no sense whatsoever. We start out with him questioning why people call me town, with the key sentence "I'm not necessarily scum reading Myko" in the second quote.

It seems to have no real purpose beyond secondguessing my points on transcend?

but do you have actual points about transcend?

It was more about my suspicion on the Myko slot, because I don't think both TTH/Myko are town.

5 min later, this has changed. Out of thin air, a pair is suspected. And god knows why.

Spoiler: meanwhile, scraping reads together

Considering I'm voting Graph, I think that should state my read on him.

@Project - you scum read Graph? Then I really don't understand why you pushed Transcend for not committing onto me and not Graph. Noted.

Should I not have this paranoia that you would flip town? Lol

No, you actually shouldn't be scumreading me at all.

What are your thoughts on Project?

This is boon not actually having any reads and creating them as he goes. His graph is a lurkervote and he can't even come up with a valid reason. The rest are non commital ways of maybe growing into a scumread if people will allow him to.

back to the pair theory:

If we got a Myko scum flip, I'd power lynch Project. If Myko is town, though, I feel like Project could be arrogant town, and then TTH would be scum watching us, probably laughing with a bowl of popcorn ready.

Just getting people's thoughts. It could have changed since that post, her read. You were a BG part of the pages after that post she made. (I had forgotten she made a post like that, though).

what did you get from his thoughts? what if he would have said i was scum? (ftr im asking you because me asking people what their read on -x- is is a thing i do as scum a lot to try to look like im contributing)

I really just wanted some more thoughts from the two of you out there. I'm lean scum reading TTH, remember?

From half an hour earlier he wasn't scumreading me, here the lynch is discussed. It's a miracle he does remember his tth "read" though god knows where it comes from. Matt could have voted here, bit hesitant. This is indeed what's going on, boon has given very little reasoning and asked for a lot.

Spoiler: boon defense

Now I'm scum? Lol.

I don't make obvious scum tells. You want to talk about smug? Talk to me about how I feel about my scum play, haha.

So what happened from the you town reading me to me being obvious scum?

Honestly, if I was scum, I would have been soft crumbing for one of the PR's by now.

@Project - I just finished a game where I was a town weak vig, and I somehow accidentally convinced myself I was a SK for two and a half day phases. Nuff said. I have what is being called as Boon logic (higher form of moon logic), and a thing is going around that states "Gambit Boon is town Boon, unfortunately."

@Project - I just finished a game where I was a town weak vig, and I somehow accidentally convinced myself I was a SK for two and a half day phases. Nuff said. I have what is being called as Boon logic (higher form of moon logic), and a thing is going around that states "Gambit Boon is town Boon, unfortunately."

i see, but im confused. how does my scumread on you contradict itself by knowing your meta? like, my scumread on you isnt based on you playing risky or playing a gambit. it's just that im not seeing internal consistency in your reads/thought process, and some of your questions seemed agenda setting.

I am SO MUCH MORE consistent as scum than my town games. Lol.

This is comical. And sad.

@Project - The reason I initially started interrogating you was because my reads were pretty similar to Rb's. And you stated a town read on me a few pages ago, so all game you've scum read me, really?

mhm but im asking about your interrogation of telltaleheart, not me.

when did i out a townread on you? im like 99% sure that didnt happen

Oh, you aren't a town read by any means. I said I could see where you could end up flipping town, as when I described the situation where I don't see why, as scum, you would state the things you did if Myko was town. I generally feel you are scummy, but you are also in a 1v1 with RB. If anything, I feel I've pushed TTH more than you.

Now bus your buddy in Mykonian; I think that's where I'm wanting to go today since nobody will listen to me when I say Graph is scum. Trust me, nobody in this game wants to see a Boonskiies death tunnel. That's not fun for anyone.

And now we get to the crux of this. Omgus onto Matt, because he's "generally scummy". And Boon forgot that he wasn't necessarily scumreading me a couple hours before. I didn't post, nor was really the topic of discussion, but this read did a 180. It began with "investigation", asking why I was town, and developed into a full scumread, with nothing in between.

Adding our total to 4 scraped together reads where boon shows he's got no actual reasoning for them in gdp, tth, matt and me. They all appeared from thin air.

vote boon

[mykonian]

Spoiler: posts with rb in them that were worth reading

im not trying to appease you because the fact that you

A. haven't been reading the game
B. are so smug that youre impossible to work with

are both incredibly clear to me.

but i am trying to call you out for your shit reads and your awful fucking logic because

A. it frustrates me with how lazy and anti-intellectual it is
B. i don't want other people to think that you actually have any kind of good point

youre so fucking egotistical that you think me trying to call you awful because your reads have been awful is some kind of weird high-level strategy to appeal to your emotions and get you to sway your vote when in reality im just calling you awful because im both amazed and pissed off at how incredibly fucking bad you are at this game

and i usually dont get mad over mafia games but youre actually infuriating me

Yes, rb doesn't actually read posts, he keeps messing it up, he just doesn't have the attention span I think. He's also a selfindulgent prick.

We all know

. The only one who pretends he doesn't is transcent who keeps blowing up rb's ego (oh sir, that's huge ). If you think he's scum you vote him. If you don't, you don't, and you play the game. Fuck actually talking with rb because all he'll do is talk about himself. He forgets his scumreads of the day before, doesn't know why he had them other than that he did. He'll land one some wagon or another. Maybe he'll follow someone, maybe he's off the lynch wagon. It's not lylo yet, so why bother actually shitting up the thread talking to him. Then you can be troubled with his random voting pattern, which tends to end up on people he's arguing with.

[mykonian]

This is comical. And sad.

Though, unfortunately, not necessarily scummy.

Boon's selfmeta creates too much space for himself, that part is scummy.

What makes Boon obvious scum is his way of creating reads. It's not townlike whatsoever.

[mykonian]

i suppose the part where boon's + transcends + my reads are no less indepth than yours is conveniently glossed over, right myko?

You misread my post. Boon is scum not because he doesn't post reasonings. It's because he doesn't have them at all. He produces reads out of thin air.

He couldn't produce one on gdp when pressed.
While discussion TTH/Me as a pair he just had a feeling one of the two would be scum, based on another game with two different players.
He did a 180 on me while I was barely discussed, nor did I post.
He handwaived a "general scummyness" vote on matt when arguing with him, again avoiding having a real reason.

[mykonian]

You have over 300 posts in a 50 page game

Over 120 in the last day.

And not a single thing of importance was said.

[mykonian]

the forlast post lacks a vote TTH. Maria as lurkerscum, Boon as obvious scum, this is far from the hardest lynch to find. Lets make it happen.

[mykonian]

His scumread on me abating would predictably lead to a stronger scumread on the others, in this case, you.

No. That's not how scumhunting works. You don't get to portion off a small group and then default to the least offensive option.

I could reply to the whole post but then I just make something unreadable, only the first step of the process Boon actually has a reason to have a look in these players: "the way the rb wagon went down". If you after some PoEing end up with a vote, that doesn't mean you have a read. It means you vote via the path of least resistance.

It's not my problem that he did a 180 on me. It's that he conjures the reads as he goes, mine being one of four examples yesterday with the amount of times he posts that he has nothing against me. What you describe as Boons play is the absence of scumhunting, not actual town play, and it's exactly why I want him lynched.

[mykonian]

I think it's a real shame that resulted in a claim. It's a joke wagon by the boys, who knows where it would end up. I think one could have waited that out.

But a claim an sich makes perfect sense with flairs play so far, it very much looks like something she'd have in mind for quite a while already, and she's been overthinking stuff so far. Flairs was town, still is town to me.

Wait did flairs claim

It makes no sense to me that Transcend is stalling with his vote here. TTH is right about him. Transcend is scum.

[mykonian]

Bullshit. You can post, and you've played this game. You'd have other suspects. This is stalling.

Flairs vote stands

Here you are responding to a claim situation

Wait did flairs claim

And here you've forgotten.

[mykonian]

is that a goatee

i think he's mafia after all

i read myko's iso half asleep and thought it was town but i change my mind

his pushes are BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD

This shows Transcends opportunism.

[mykonian]

Hahahaha. I know why Creature is on my modding blacklist, it was civ. The moment you post 23 times in a row you are just loving hearing yourself talk because you really don't care if other people read what you do.

49. You've really outdone yourself here. Every single player will skim that at best, and I bet some skip it.

Well, Myko and project are scum, Flairs is still new, so my wagon is solved.

how can you be so confident

Read my post on him. He creates reads out of thin air, he wouldn't know if you asked him. It's why we should lynch Boon.

[mykonian]

What do you think of GDP, myko?

also I don't think lacking verbal justification for a read makes that read fake, and I know for a fact I forget my reads sometimes, and just this game I've been remembering that I had certain reads but not remembering why I had them. I guess I need to look closer.

It's not about forgetting. It's about not having them as he proclaims the reads. He couldn't in several cases.

gdp is potential lurkerscum.

I don't have a read on creature.

Spoiler: Re: boon

Boon is scum not because he doesn't post reasonings. It's because he doesn't have them at all. He produces reads out of thin air.

He couldn't produce one on gdp when pressed.
While discussion TTH/Me as a pair he just had a feeling one of the two would be scum, based on another game with two different players.
He did a 180 on me while I was barely discussed, nor did I post.
He handwaived a "general scummyness" vote on matt when arguing with him, again avoiding having a real reason.

His scumread on me abating would predictably lead to a stronger scumread on the others, in this case, you.

No. That's not how scumhunting works. You don't get to portion off a small group and then default to the least offensive option.

I could reply to the whole post but then I just make something unreadable, only the first step of the process Boon actually has a reason to have a look in these players: "the way the rb wagon went down". If you after some PoEing end up with a vote, that doesn't mean you have a read. It means you vote via the path of least resistance.

It's not my problem that he did a 180 on me. It's that he conjures the reads as he goes, mine being one of four examples yesterday with the amount of times he posts that he has nothing against me. What you describe as Boons play is the absence of scumhunting, not actual town play, and it's exactly why I want him lynched.

[mykonian]

Hahahaha. I know why Creature is on my modding blacklist, it was civ. The moment you post 23 times in a row you are just loving hearing yourself talk because you really don't care if other people read what you do.

49. You've really outdone yourself here. Every single player will skim that at best, and I bet some skip it.

I read it. It was scummy.

I missed it. Which quotes triggered such feelings?

[mykonian]

Not everybody is a strong mind. I get what you mean, Im not sure it's unnatural.

[mykonian]

all I know of him is that last game I replaced him because he couldn't be bothered by the game anymore. Didn't get the impression of a particulary strongminded individual. But I guess you know him better. I'll keep it in mind.

[mykonian]

I'm VT.

[mykonian]

Hey, there's still time to switch from this really shitty wagon.

I don't see the case on Myk at all, and I haven't all game.

There isn't one. There's a bunch of people who don't feel like playing with me, and a couple of scum. Every single player on there says something is off or posts are terrible. It's a wagon grown on nothing.

rb is being a baby
I'm voting boon
I call transcend scum
Nicol, god knows what she thinks.
whether you agree with tth or me, creature is either a follower by nature (my thought) or bandwagonner by role pm (hers)
and impo is in the same category for me.

Transcends vote is one of opportunism, nicol you can judge, the last two are too easily made.

[mykonian]

Transcend, what do you think about this?

I once had a discussion with the then normal listmod about how you coul kill a town as scum through dragging them into pointless 1v1's which you would totally get away with because people have a habit of putting them aside for now or treating them as coinflips. Just get the right person slightly annoyed and you get them to lose the game for town for you. The thread gets bloated, the rest of the town cant be bothered to actually create reads, and it's a walk in the park. That person thought that was utterly immoral, why would you kill a game like that?

This is town doing it on themselves. If I were scum in a game, I'd spampost. You wouldn't see me lurking! Quotes and oneliners, I'd have an opinion about

everything

. It's the best hiding place in the world, you further your win condition while looking townie and achieving nothing at all for them. You've got a massive smokescreen to hide behind and you just wait for the replacements to come in halfway day 2, at which point everybody is miserable, who then can't really be bothered to reread. It's the perfect crime.

I have you know, I did not pull a matt, where everybody wakes up finding the threat has grown by 18 pages overnight.

rb is indeed losing the game for us, whether he's town or scum. And he's fine with that.