Mini Normal 1919: Endgame

[TwoFace]

from the wiki under NORMAL GUIDELINES

Vanilla Cop is considered Normal on mafiascum.net. When the role is called "Vanilla Cop", Vanilla Townies, Mafia Goons, and Serial Killers with no additional powers return a "Vanilla" result, while all other roles return "not Vanilla".

The Neapolitan variant is also considered Normal, but must be named "Neapolitan" to distinguish it from the preceding version.

[TwoFace]

TB go away lol

Make me!
-TB

[TwoFace]

i've seen better

TwoFace has been modkilled and turned neutral survivor!
-TB

[TwoFace]

still need to sort out klazam and branson but fykus is probably the last scum so i don't feel motivated to do that right now.

[TwoFace]

well I was obv town already

[TwoFace]

if fykus is scum, vedith pretty much had all 3 scum nailed on day 1. no wonder he was killed.

makes me feel better about a fykus lynch
VOTE: fykus

[TwoFace]

mod should do a vc or something useful if he wants to earn the best mod award...

[TwoFace]

[TwoFace]

2101 I sort of gave my thoughts about emp.

[TwoFace]

sure, and the moon could be made of cheese...

[TwoFace]

no I can't

[TwoFace]

no I can't

[TwoFace]

man I wish the ignore function worked for games

[TwoFace]

Vanilla cops always find vanilla goons. Neapolitan is when they only find vanilla town.

Read the post the mod posted and the wiki. Vanilla cop investigate a goon gets Vanilla. Emp is vt or goon

[TwoFace]

You said vanilla cop would find vanilla goon.vanilla cop would just find vanilla

[TwoFace]

Nah scum probably doesn't have anything else.

[TwoFace]

Fykus is probably last scum.

[TwoFace]

I made good points about fykus and he didn't even attempt to respond.

[TwoFace]

I want fykus to answer that directly.

Answer what sorry?

VOTE: emp

Couldnt there be some way to prove my claim with my last shot tonight?

On the same page as the post you responded to from klazam...

[TwoFace]

I wasn't really asking questions. I was posting things that make you look like scum. I was sort of hoping you would defend yourself from my accusations. The fact you didn't makes me think my vote is parked on the right person.

[TwoFace]

In another game someone said that the cop should always investigate the counter wagon.

Link? Because I find it hard to believe that somebody said to investigate a counter wagon to scum.

Typically a counter wagon to scum is on town. That's why it's a counter wagon.

[TwoFace]

Can't link the game though sorry, its [against the rules]

[TwoFace]

I think I'd want Dunker lynched before Fykus. Mafia Gunsmith fits really nicely into this setup, but I still feel like I'd want to go Emp over both of them.

In like 30 times there has been a gunsmith there has only been 2 scum gunsmiths.

You really think that's what happening here? Such a small percentage

[TwoFace]

Pretty sure I've been in more than 2 games with a mafia gunsmith.

FRom 1400 to 1911 I only saw 2 and 1 had a town gunsmith with it.

Maybe large games? I'm not checking those.

It's possible I missed some since I'm on a phone.

[TwoFace]

I mean ideally I'd like to lynch scum today but it doesn't really matter as we have mislynches available and somebody should be able to narrow the field. Hopefully

[TwoFace]

If one of these claims is fake, I don't think scum gets another pr

[TwoFace]

The vanilla cop seems les likely plus his entrance to the tchill wagon was terrible

[TwoFace]

Interesting note. Vanilla cop 3x mafia. 2x town 1x town included as a joat ability. Mm

Mafia vanilla cop given the town roles makes sense.

[TwoFace]

Huh?

[TwoFace]

I'll check it out now. 705

[TwoFace]

Dude that could easily be distancing. I mean tchill and carc were going after each other. Why not go after the 3rd also?

Look at fykus's vote on tchill. Does that look town?

[TwoFace]

beecause its unlikely that scum only has one (limited)power role given the town has plenty of power roles

Probably right but I don't think all these PR claims are legit.

[TwoFace]

But if they are all legit you could be scum

[TwoFace]

@Fykus - That actually looks pretty solid; I like it.

But who's more likely to be looking for those kinds of things. Town or scum?

What if he found those (and I know this may sound crazy, but) because he is scum looking for crumbs?

[TwoFace]

Honestly, I think we should lynch Branson, and have us all target 2F. That way, at least 2 people will be alive and had targeted 2F. This makes it so if one of the PR's are fake claiming, they can't manipulate the game to their liking, and can confirm 2F's alignment.

That's a dumb idea. Nobody should be targeting me

[TwoFace]

Fykus is most likely scum. That's the one claim that doesn't fit imo.

[TwoFace]

Honestly, I think we should lynch Branson, and have us all target 2F. That way, at least 2 people will be alive and had targeted 2F. This makes it so if one of the PR's are fake claiming, they can't manipulate the game to their liking, and can confirm 2F's alignment.

That's a dumb idea. Nobody should be targeting me

=/

See, you are the biggest x factor in this game. I generally want to say you're town, but you being a Mafia Doctor makes so much sense this game, which this would make you conf town with 0 shenanigans/wifom available.

lol I'm not an x factor. I'm so obviously town suggesting anyone target me is not only stupid but detrimental to the game.

[TwoFace]

Why not just lynch him now?

[TwoFace]

Why not just lynch him now?

Because if we're wrong, we go through literally killing off every PR here. If they both are town, we get wrecked.

I'll bet anything the 3 of you aren't all town.

[TwoFace]

See, you could be obviously town, but I know how easy it is for me to be "obv town" when I'm scum also. It's just a confirmation thing, and it leashes the last scum member.

But I can't be obvious town as scum. I've been lynched never as town and every time as scum.

[TwoFace]

If y'all want to waste investigation on me that's your perorgerative. But when I show up as town and you realized you investigated an obvious townie you'll just feel stupid.

[TwoFace]

Twoface, you suspecting boon here?

My paranoia thinks boon but my mind says fykus.

[TwoFace]

You've never won a scum game where you survived?

Well I've only been scum twice so it's a small pool.

[TwoFace]

But when I'm confirmed I'm useless like mulch has been but probably worse.

[TwoFace]

It's just to cut out the potential for 2F Mafia Doctor. Scum has a good chance of being found out tomorrow.

Where the fuck did mafia doctor even come from? And I thought I was paranoid. If you are scum you aren't winning.

If you are alive at lylo you will be lynched.

[TwoFace]

I was going to gambit softing a protective role to scare off the last scum from killing Boon tonight, but that's pretty pointless now.

Yeah no

I want your input, for one. do you have anything to claim, or do you disagree with one of the points made so far?

This please.

[TwoFace]

VOTE: branson

[TwoFace]

Boon you are scum afterall arent you?

VOTE: boon

[TwoFace]

You didn't need to all caps tell me what you are or aren't doing.

[TwoFace]

I'm not unvoting. Lynch me. Idgaf

[TwoFace]

VOTE: TwoFace

This is the time to wait for the PRs before voting. Trying to influence the popular opinion before that has happened is scummy.

I'm not trying to influence anything. I'm voting who I think is scum. I know I'm not. The fact that boon was the first outed Pr and wasn't killed 2 nights in a row is sketchy. Add in he was trying to get more PRs to claim which helps him pull off a fake claim.

Scum is in fykus or boon imo. I'm voting who I think it is. Y'all do what you want.

[TwoFace]

Why does it matter? One vote isn't going to lynch him. Once both post depending what they say, I'll change my vote but odds are it's one of them.

[TwoFace]

Why does it matter? One vote isn't going to lynch him. Once both post depending what they say, I'll change my vote but odds are it's one of them.

This ain't really for you since you've already taken a stance, but right now I'd prefer if the PRs took charge with votes without having info on how the rest of the players are voting.

Regardless what they say or do, I'm voting who I want.

[TwoFace]

They were both supposed to investigate me. That was the plan. How is me voting going to change anything? One of them is going to have to lie here regardless of what I do cause I'm town.

[TwoFace]

I'm not taking charge of anything though. I'm not telling others what to do. I'm only doing what I want to do


I don't need their results to tell me I'm town. I already know I am.

[TwoFace]

Voting me for playing the game is worse than me voting the person I think is probably scum. So go look in the mirror and chew on that.

[TwoFace]

You were though and that's f'ing despicable.

[TwoFace]

I already explained my reason for voting boon before you asked the first time. Why would you ask it a 2nd?

[TwoFace]

VOTE: TwoFace

This is the time to wait for the PRs before voting. Trying to influence the popular opinion before that has happened is scummy.

I'm not trying to influence anything. I'm voting who I think is scum. I know I'm not. The fact that boon was the first outed Pr and wasn't killed 2 nights in a row is sketchy. Add in he was trying to get more PRs to claim which helps him pull off a fake claim.

Scum is in fykus or boon imo. I'm voting who I think it is. Y'all do what you want.

[TwoFace]

I'm sorry no scum is leaving an outed PR alive one night, let alone 2. Even if they don't know if there is protection you have to take that shot.

[TwoFace]

So we wait for boon...

[TwoFace]

No he's not the only option for scum.

There is no way both you and fykus are legit. The fact you claim to know setups and haven't come to that conclusion only makes you look worse. Cause I know setups also and there is no way all these PRs are town

[TwoFace]

What if I told you I was a 1 shot commuter?

If true that would actually make a lot of sense.

[TwoFace]

I'm not claiming tho

Nobody said to

[TwoFace]

viewtopic.php?p=9050463#p9050463

I claimed Odd-Night Cop in my last scum game here. =/

No point in posting this unless you are claiming scum. If you are town (doubtful) nobody cares

[TwoFace]

Like, I make it a thing that I make every one of my scum games different...why would I claim Odd-Night Cop AGAIN?

Wifom doesn't work with me. Nor should it with anyone with a brain

[TwoFace]

So can SOMEONE answer my question that twoface is literally confirmed town now?

Why do you need a PR to tell you something that's obvious?

[TwoFace]

If dunker/fykus don't follow the 2F target plan, lynch whichever didn't.

Boon should have investigated me also.

Lynch this dude now please

[TwoFace]

Boon even gave me permission to lynch him today.

[TwoFace]

If dunker/fykus don't follow the 2F target plan, lynch whichever didn't.

Boon should have investigated me also.

Lynch this dude now please

Why should I have investigated you...? You said so yourself that we shouldn't have.

It was your stupid plan. Everyone investigate me

[TwoFace]

I don't need a fake cop to confirm what's obvious.

[TwoFace]

what idiot fake claims Odd Night Cop two games in a row?

Wifom doesn't work and shouldn't on anyone with half a brain.

[TwoFace]

I'm not voting anyone else. Y'all do what you want.

[TwoFace]

I was trying to leash the potential scum out of the PR's, bait a 2F kill potentially, and then come out with an inno/guilty.

You've been trying to fish out every claim so you can stay your execution longer. After all the claims you went after the people dropping hints of a claim.

Just give up dude.

[TwoFace]

I was trying to leash the potential scum out of the PR's, bait a 2F kill potentially, and then come out with an inno/guilty.

You've been trying to fish out every claim so you can stay your execution longer. After all the claims you went after the people dropping hints of a claim.

Just give up dude.

Where did I fish out any claims....Day 1 I did exactly the opposite of this.

I'll quite ut later but you wanted more claims to spread the kill pool

[TwoFace]

I think you should just hard claim now.

I'm already an outed cop, and mulch is conf town. Maybe spread the potential kill area.

[TwoFace]

And he didn't need to hard claim.

Die please.

[TwoFace]

I'm done discussing. My vote stays. Y'all do whatever.

[TwoFace]

so fucking terrible.

If you're town yes your play has been

[TwoFace]

It's literally ONLY boon or klazam.

Boon goes first

[TwoFace]

so fucking terrible.

If you're town yes your play has been

I pushed and found two scum. Thought you were a stronger player than that. Guess not.

All scum pushed each other so you don't get town cred for it.

The way you handled your claim is poor play if town
The way you pushed for a hard claim on another Pr is poor play as town

What else do you have to hang your hat on? Nothing.

You claim you know setups. You should have never investigated a PR when the ONLY way you and he are town is if klazam or I am a scum Pr. You knew fykus was investigating me so you should have investigated klazam

That's piss poor play.

Get some rope scum has been found

[TwoFace]

Get some rope scum has been found

[TwoFace]

Stupid site won't let me quite myself.

Get some rope. Scum boon has been found

[TwoFace]

And since nobody is being an idiot rn. You are clearly mimicking

[TwoFace]

@Mulch - there is absolutely no reason for ScumBoon to have cleared Fykus. Also, I was the one to bring up Empiricus being basically conf town.

Sure there is.

[TwoFace]

And since nobody is being an idiot rn. You are clearly mimicking

I mean, you're clearly the biggest idiot in this game.

Don't insult me cause you've been caught

[TwoFace]

My town flip will show that.

It's literally you or klazam. Why are you fighting it?

[TwoFace]

That replacement request is bullshit and for strategic purposes.

[TwoFace]

Finding replacement for Boonskiies

Don't worry. We're lynching him.

[TwoFace]

I'm reporting boon post game

[TwoFace]

I'm legit town, and I lied

One of these things isn't true.

[TwoFace]

well that was a shit show

[TwoFace]

there is no way boon is town after all that.

[TwoFace]

Sorry you replaced into a scum slot who's getting lynched.

[TwoFace]

But I want to elicit a promise from TwoFace to Nolynch if I am alive tmrw

I'm not typically a fan of no lynch unless the situation calls for it. I'd have to look at where we would be with a town lynch and a town kill.

[TwoFace]

VCA says TwoFace is scum

No it doesn't

[TwoFace]

One of the claims is fake OR scum has another Pr (and even in that case I don't feel it's balanced)

The fact that the cop doesn't trust his own investigation on mulch is just laughable.

It's boon/umulat obviously. But go ahead and lynch me. The game is solved after I flip town

[TwoFace]

Bring the first to catch both scum should earn me town cred. Like I'm fucking obvious town here. The only knock against me was being away when tchill was lynched.

[TwoFace]

Can someone tell me why Mulch is objectively conftown?

You don't ask this about your inno result.

[TwoFace]

I think it's Fykus @TwoFace

And after the shit boon pulled there is no way I see that coming from town so if I have to get lynched first to make people see it's boon. So be it.

I'm not changing my vote.

[TwoFace]

You really shouldn't have replaced in. As I'm said earlier you replaced into a scum slot and you SHOULD be lynched today.

[TwoFace]

You really shouldn't have replaced in. As I'm said earlier you replaced into a scum slot and you SHOULD be lynched today.

Kind of presumptuous to say I "shouldn't have." I knew I was replacing into the late game under strong suspicion.

I meant we should have lynched your slot before the mod wasted time finding a replacement.

Nothing you can say or do is going to change my read of boon. Sorry

[TwoFace]

Mulch is complaining I labeled him blue ("I know he's town but maybe you don't") instead of green ("everyone knows he's town"). I don't know why.

Think about that for a second. Ok?

How many scum are left? 1
If you are legit, he is town.
If you are lying, he's still town.

There is literally no way mulch can be scum.


Now let's think about this.

If you and fykus are town, there has to be another PR for balance. Everyone is basically cleared from having a pr or from being scum except klazam.

So really our only 2 possible scenarios today are

A. Lynching fykus and see what his flip is. If he's scum. Game over. If he's town, it's literally you or fykus

B. Lynching between the claims and figuring fykus out later.

Now normally A is the smart play here but given the crap boon pulled I'm not interested in playing smart.

He is either scum hoping an emotional outburst would save him or he game threw. I don't think he would ever game throw so I'm going with scum.

My vote stays.

[TwoFace]

mulch you need to work on your vca and lol at umulat jumping on to it. nothing about that points me to scum.

[TwoFace]

TwoFace, if you're town try to remember how much flak I got for "slipping" in Open 680.

I can barely remember what I ate for breakfast most days. I certainly can't remember specifics about previous games without a refresher.

you are wasting your time talking to me.

[TwoFace]

God damn boon. Hope you are site banned for a year.

[TwoFace]

I will say the only thing scum did right was distance from each other really well. It made it harder to look at connections.

[TwoFace]

People I don't like for town

Chilly
Carcalilly
Fykus

People I do like
Boonskiies
Taco
Mulch

Rest are nobodies

I mentioned that. Either in the game or via pm

[TwoFace]

Mulch overthinking like a mother fucker lol

[TwoFace]

i wish boon had stayed, i wanted to break that no lynch record of his lol

So he's never been lynched?

[TwoFace]

Probably going to jinx it but under this account I've never been mislynched.

[TwoFace]

i honestly want to know why boon tried faking a inno on fykus.

No. Don't encourage him to post here.

[TwoFace]

you werent really involved in the game at that point, i felt...

This. And then you just said fuck it and gave up.

I was quite pissed about it. If you don't want to play don't signup

[TwoFace]

Playing the setup won the game for us...

[TwoFace]

Fykus got lynched because of setup reasons though. Literally cause mulch figured his claim had to be fake because of setup

[TwoFace]

As I said before I was killed. Scum was ONLY in boon and fykus. Small chance of klazam but even that wouldn't work.

That's why I was killed. Cause I knew setup pointed to one of those 2 and would have pushed it

[TwoFace]

Those town tells by fykus weren't towntells btw.

[TwoFace]

Deputy would have a much better claim

[TwoFace]

This game had me at the edge of my seat for real.

Same with me. I was on the edge of my seat day 1 to see who they would lynch. I was secretly hoping Tchill13 could redirect a lynch to either doodles or Trivium.

This. TB and I sent at least 30 PMs about this game

[TwoFace]

Agree with both of those. I think overall most people played well. Tchill and carc just looked too obvious to me and clearly to others also

[TwoFace]

Yes stick around. Y'all definitely played well considering you are newbies.

[TwoFace]

TBH I thought Fykus played amazingly

Agree. He just got caught by POE