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Xyl, did you mean definition 3b? If not, please explain what you did mean, and why you thought that it should not have been assumed that you meant 3b.
I'd like everyone to examine the Erg0 wagon and comment on it, say if it is the best place for votes or not, and explain why. If you think there is a better place for votes, explain why that is the best place.Do not lynch me.
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I'm not driving a wagon, but why would me doing so make you uneasy?opie wrote:Guardian driving Ergo's wagon makes me uneasy.
I've also demanded that people not thinking Erg0 is worthy of a vote explain why someone else is. I've asked for discussion, in a game of mafia. This troubles you?opie wrote:You demand everyone give there thoughts on Erg0 and explain why they don't think he is worthy of a vote?
Why is voting for Erg0 suspicious?opie wrote:Vote: Guardian
FOS: Oman and Adel
What about it? Do you agree?Jitsu wrote:I like Opie's post above.
I'm not sure who is most deserving of a vote right now.Jitsu wrote:@Guardian: Since you're voting for Erg0 and do seem to be making an attempt to push his wagon here, why don't you explain why you think Erg0 is more deserving of a vote than Oman?
Erg0 has since claimed he does this every game, but the "hang separately option" and "I just want you to hang" bit raised my eyebrows, and made me think he was the best wagon at the time.
The (presumably fake?) day vigs don't really say anything to me.
Opie's post actually heightened my suspicion there -- I'd really like a good explanation from both opie, and Jitsu who categorically "liked opie's post" to explain why everyone voting Erg0 is worthy of suspicion.Do not lynch me.
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To clarify, I have accrued two votes and one fos for:- Taking this game seriously
- Taking comments in this game seriously
- Wanting others to take this game seriously
- Asking others to play this game
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opie wrote:@Incognito: Not really, plus this game I promised myself that I would approach Adel with a clean slate.
Why did you make this promise, opie?opie wrote:Well, I think in our last game I over reacted to your methods a bit. I didn't hear you out. This go round I promise to hear you out.
ps: I'm really busy right now, and my one other game is near deadline; plus I'm kind of annoyed at mafia in general (because of that game). So, not much to expect from me, sorry.Do not lynch me.
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Why do you think he was communicating with his scum buddies in his first post of the game? Also, can you re-clarify -- what exactly was he communicating to them?Adel wrote:
communicates to his scum buddies that he is apt to chase the later votes on any wagon.opie wrote:vote: pickmegenius
Why? because I said so!
And. Because Adel has too many votes already...Do not lynch me.
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FoS: opie
From Adel's answers, I think her case makes sense, and seems sincere. Adel is a tricky devil as scum, and in my experience often wrong as town, though :\.
Also, while opie answered my question of him well, I'd like to ask him further:
Why do you want to keep an open mind to Adel's methods, when she was wrong in the only game you were in with her?
I don't want to move my vote to opie quite yet. I want to re-read the full game when I get a chance. There is strong suspicion against opie and I don't want a quick wagon/forced claim -- at least not until I have re-read the game.
Incognito, I really am having a hard time understanding your question. If you want an answer, I'll need you to re-explain what you want me to respond about.Do not lynch me.
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I re-read.
I want to hear from ChaosOmega.
I also want to hear content from PEG. It doesn't have to be a long post, but I want you to say something substantive about another player in the game.
TrustGossip, what do you think about this opie wagon?
I tentatively support Adel's points on opie. I believe that she genuinely believes in them, but that doesn't make opie scum. However, the clarification she made about opie's first post, in addition to the last part about not recognizing things as they were, and instead nailing everyone on Erg0's wagon, make me want to vote him.
I am still very interested in what opie has to say, especially in response to my question in 178.
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You didn't express any suspicion of opie or intent to vote him until after I did.Oman wrote:
You didn't vote in 178, therefor you were not on the wagon. You vote in 183.Guardian wrote:It seems rather that your 181 followed my 178, not the other way round, no?
Try harder.
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Incognito, thanks for clarifying, I think I understand what you are asking now.
Well, in that post you quoted, I asked Xyl specifically about the word arbitrary, and I asked everyone to post thoughts on the wagon, or on another player (basically I asked everyone to get back to listing suspects and playing the game).Incognito wrote:Guardian, my issue is this: In the beginning of the game, you seemed intent on having everyone explain their stance about the Erg0 mini-wagon. Xylthixlm made a post seen here which leads me to believe that he was in favor of the Erg0 wagon but he doesn't follow up this statement with a vote on Erg0. After Xyl's statement, you questioned Xyl about which definition of "arbitrary" he was using and then you polled everyone else to try to find out their stance with respect to the wagon: Post 65. When you questioned Xyl about his usage of the word "arbitrary", why did you not question Xylthixlm about his lack of a vote against Erg0 when he seemed to be in favor of the wagon?
So, while I did not pick out Xyl specifically, I asked everyone -- Xyl was included in that.
If unsatisfied with that, and you are wondering why I didn't pick out Xyl for his inconsistency on Erg0 since I was so interested in Erg0, I have a few responses to that.
The first is that, like I said, I wasn't particularly interested in Erg0per se, I just wanted players to take a stand on other players and name their top suspects. When I made the post, I didn't comb over the thread to look for those who had taken stances on Erg0 or not -- I just noticed that the thread was getting somewhat de-railed and wanted to get it back on track. Considering that, it seems to be an arbitrary assignment of responsibility on me to call him out -- anyone could have pointed out that inconsistency of Xyl's, and I don't see why it should be incumbent upon me to do so.
The second is that, even if you are unsatisfied with the above, when I read that post of Xyl, I took it to mean that he was joking, so I didn't really see an inconsistency at all. The ellipse (...) and tone of his post made me think he was making a joke that discussion was interrupting lynching someone who he didn't even care enough about lynching to remember their name.
I hope that clarifies my non targeting him for you.Do not lynch me.
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I thought Erg0's joking was scummy. I thought Xyl's joking wasn't. If you find that arbitrary... it is.
Re: opie, I have played with Adel, and read games she has been in, and I didn't want to agree with her reasoning unless I was fairly sure it was sound. Not sure how that is scummy.Do not lynch me.
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I'd have given the same answer regardless.Xylthixlm wrote:
If you knew what answer wouldn't be viewed as suspicious, would you have given that one?Guardian wrote:Also, Incognito -- why wait until I answered? How could I have answered the question you asked differently and not have been found suspicious by you?
That's not the point of my question.
The point is Incognito asks his question before posting his case on me, and then uses my response to his question in the case. I can't think of any way I could have answered that Incognito wouldn't have started his post with
"Awesome
vote: Guardian"
so again I wonder why he waited for me to respond/how I might have responded that would have changed his mind.Do not lynch me.
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Wait, which is it Incognito?Incognito wrote:So I thought to myself: "Well, maybe this Guardian fellow just has a difficult time determining what's humor on the internet and what isn't. I certainly wouldn't want tomiscategorize him as scum if he really has a difficult time making that distinction."
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By the way, there wasa lot more to my case besides the difference between Erg0's joke post and Xyl's joke postbut yet you chose to only respond to the last portion of my case.
bolding and shortening by Guardian
If I was bad at identifying humor, the rest of your case would have disappeared? You would have beenmiscategorizing me as scum if I really had a difficult time making that distinction?
Or, would the rest of your case, this case thatthere is a lot more to besides the difference between Erg0's joke post and Xyl's joke poststill have been there?
I'm terribly confused... and suspicious. There seems to be a striking disparity between those two comments of yours, coming from the same post.
On the one hand, you say you waited to comment on me because had I not been able to tell the difference between humor and not humor, I would not have been suspicious. On the other hand, you say there is a lot to your case besides me arbitrarily finding some humor suspicious and some humor not suspicious. Could you explain how you are not being terribly self-contradictory?
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Votecount #9
opie - 3 (Adel, Oman, Guardian)
TrustGossip - 2 (pickemgenius, Xylthixlm)
Guardian - 2 (opie, Incognito)
Matt_S - 1 (ChaosOmega)
Oman - 1 (Jitsu)
Not voting - 3 (Matt_S, TrustGossip, Erg0)
With 12 alive, it's 7 to lynch.
Deadline for D1: Saturday March 1, 10:55AM GMT+10
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I find an opie-Matt_S scum-group not unlikely.
Incognito might be a good third, I don't see I straw-man'd him significantly, just pointed out an inconsistency that he didn't refute.
I am happy with my vote on opie.
I am not particularly motivated to respond to Incognito's case on me.Do not lynch me.
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Yeah Incog, if you are town, you're certainly not winning me over with "is 100% scum". Adel could be convincing tricky scum, she is saying a lot of what I "want" to hear.
Your unwillingness to work with me makes me unlikely to work with you, which is a shame if you're town.Do not lynch me.
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I've seen a scum say this like 3 times and never a townie.Incognito wrote:Adel wrote:
I'd advise against being intentionally insulting if you want to make friends or influence people in the future.Incognito wrote:Stop being so ignorant and thick-headed.
Oh. I guess you're not the insulting type.Adel wrote:100% bullshit is more like it.
P.S. I'm not here to be your "friend". I'm here to play Mafia.
Cool, so it is acceptable for me not to? /relieved
Guardian, I refuse to answer your questions since you have now deliberately not answered a few of mine.Guardian wrote:Incognito, which "response to your case" of mine are you referencing?
What if you are wrong and we need to work together to find scum? Oh wait, you're 100% sure. So you can't be wrong. lulz. I'll be 100% sure of someone being scum if I see them shoot someone in the head. Other than that, never 100% sure, and always leave doors open in case your suspicions are off.
Are you even reading the game and what you're typing? I said that I am 100% certain thatGuardian wrote:Yeah Incog, if you are town, you're certainly not winning me over with "is 100% scum". Adel could be convincing tricky scum, she is saying a lot of what I "want" to hear.
Your unwillingness to work with me makes me unlikely to work with you, which is a shame if you're town.youare scum. You're suggesting that I need to win you over about your own alignment?
ANd I never said you ever even said what you think about her alignment :\.I also never even said what I think about Adel's alignment.
Here's how it works. She says a lot of what I want to hear -- good cases, putting down people I find scummy, etc. SO I agree with her. She says what I want to hear, and I agree. Is that hard?Further, you said "she is saying a lot of what I want to hear" but it wasyouwho adoptedhercase on opie and agreed with her on MattS. How exactly does that work?Do not lynch me.
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yeah, I would mind. feel free to read through all my games (wiki)and all the games I've read (good luck there) and find them though (:.Adel wrote:WOULD YOU MIND LINKING TO ALL THREE SO WE DON'T HAVE TO TAKE YOU AT YOUR WORD?
oh, also like 3/4 games just ended. Ork mafia, nightless, cliche' town, doom in valencia.
I'm not motivated to respond to a post Incog made *in this game*. You think I'm going to look through all my old games and all the games I've read and find what I'm talking about? lolz.Do not lynch me.
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I thought no one would ever ask.opie wrote:Guardian, why are you not motivated to respond to Incognito?
I'm busy, and many of his points are correct. I've followed Adel a lot. I ask many questions. I disagree that those things are indicative of my being scum, but I can't refute the facts. Also, while I don't find his case convincing, I think it would take quite a bit of time to respond to in sufficient depth to come anywhere near refuting.
Defenses are overrated anyway. Especially since not many are convinced by Incognito, and he is "100% sure" I am scum, I don't see how it would be a valuable expenditure of my time and effort to make arguments that aren't going to change many people's minds about anything. About 3 people have an inclination I'm scum right now, and I don't think responding to Incognito's case would do much, possibly reducing the number suspicious of me to 2 people from 3.
My time is much more valuably spent trying to find scum right now.Do not lynch me.
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Hmm. Interesting that PEG should say this. What response, sir? We may have found a better lynch candidate, yet.pickemgenius wrote:you should be reading Guardians response to Incognito please.
Prima facia (at first glance) it seems like this is PEG blatantly buddying to me, siding with me in opposition to opie.
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I re-read Erg0, cuz I had this creepy suspicion about him. And I liked his case on Jitsu. 129 really does seem like a back-out/turnaround. But, Oman posted that he had been joking a bit before... so I could see Jitsu reacting to that.
I find it highly unlikely that Pat or Erg0 are scum with Jitsu, in any event.
unvote vote: Jitsu
I was sympathetic with Erg0's case, and Patrick's, so I want to see where this wagon takes me.
opie remains suspicious for me.
oh: Incognito, you're voting badly. protip: unvote.Do not lynch me.
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My mind changed, significantly? Re-reading the case made me want to vote you.Jitsu wrote:Guardian, now more than a few pages ago, you didn't seem to agree with the case against me. But now you like Erg's case against me? I'd like you to explain specifically what changed your mind, please.
How much is that, anyways?Jitsu wrote:Though actually, I'm not convinced that you really believe the case on me as much as you say you do.
Ah, but if you were scum, you would totally crumble and crack under pressure, to help the town out?Jitsu wrote:Regardless of whether that's true or not, I'm not going to crumble or crack under the pressure, because I'm innocent, and it is in the town's best interest that I not do so.
That's cool. I totally fear the spotlight. Spotlight is one step away from lynch, and me being lynched is about the worst contribution I can make for my faction.Jitsu wrote:I don't fear being in the spotlight because I have nothing to hide.
Their cases on you aren't one sentences FOS's. They are long, detailed, and they have both been trying to encourage others to lynch you. BUSing you when no one else was suspicious of you with so many other potential lynch targets doesn't make sense.Jitsu wrote:
I know that are right (because I am innocent), but I admit I'm curious to hear how you came to this conclusion.Guardian wrote:I find it highly unlikely that Pat or Erg0 are scum with Jitsu, in any event.Do not lynch me.
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Jitsu, I'm only responding to the parts of your response that I feel you are asking me to respond to or that I want to respond to. If there's more you want, feel free to make that explicit.
That's just WIFOM. If not designed to be a town tell, why post it?Jitsu wrote:
Of course not. It was merely a statement, not something designed to be a town tell. I don't know how I would react as scum, because I have no experience playing as scum (including this game).Guardian wrote:Ah, but if you were scum, you would totally crumble and crack under pressure, to help the town out?
Yes.Jitsu wrote:
I assume that by saying "my faction", you are speaking in general terms here, across games?Guardian wrote:That's cool. I totally fear the spotlight. Spotlight is one step away from lynch, and me being lynched is about the worst contribution I can make for my faction.
I feat the spotlight as town too. Why only as scum for you? You are generally good at diffusing pressure as town? I'm bad at is, historically, sometimes I've even gotten very angry. That and convincing people of things, are my mafia-weaknesses. I'm usually right, and I'm usually town... anyways, this is neither here nor there.Jitsu wrote:You actually made a good point here, as when I do draw a scum role someday, I will need to fear the spotlight. (I am going to get an awful meta when that day comes, I think.)
Jitsu, previously, wrote:I don't fear being in the spotlight because I have nothing to hide.Jitsu wrote:Maybe being in the spotlight is a step away from a lynch.
Can you help me make sense of all this? It appears contradictory.Jitsu wrote:But don't construe that as meaning that I am not afraid of being lynched, because I am.
I'd hope not, with 2 people making a case on you and one additional person voting you because of both cases combined.Jitsu wrote:I don't fear being in the spotlight because I have nothing to hide.I prefer not to be lynched since I am innocent, but if it is going to happen, I at least want everyone to weigh in on the matter, so that the town has good information for Day 2. I'm not giving up and accepting that as my fate though.
Not sure why I did either. Your response to my expectation could have been telling, I think that's what my thought process was.Jitsu wrote:
I'm puzzled why you didn't keep your expectation to yourself until after I answered so you could get a better read off my response.Guardian wrote:I'd like to hear Jitsu's response to my response though. I expect him to paint me as scummy D-:.
Which players are you talking about, here?Jitsu wrote:Some might consider this a scumtell (and is probably why some of the other pro-town players don't know what to think of you), but I'm not convinced it is a scumtell in this case.Do not lynch me.
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OK, we all do that. Slight scum tell though, for me. In my exp., scum self-refer as town more often than townies do. And you've been doing that quite a bit.Jitsu wrote:Guardian wrote:That's just WIFOM. If not designed to be a town tell, why post it?
Honestly, I don't have a good answer for this. It did not enter my mind that it was just WIFOM, and therefore I maybe shouldn't have posted it. I was just posting what I was thinking.
Ok, dropping a big one: your post and subsequent response is a major, major scum tell for me.Jitsu wrote:
Since you seem to be treating me pretty fairly, I'll do one better and expand your question to include all of the players who might think it is a tell.Guardian wrote:
Which players are you talking about, here?Jitsu wrote:Some might consider this a scumtell (and is probably why some of the other pro-town players don't know what to think of you), but I'm not convinced it is a scumtell in this case.
Xylthixlm is the main person I had in mind. I think he is probably town.
Opie. Next on my "to do" list is to re-read him in light of recent events and see what I think.
Patrick. I'd like to see some more comments from him before I make up my mind.
Incognito. Erg0. Erg0 seems to agree with Incognito, from his comments in 242. I want to keep my opinions on them to myself for now.
I'll quote the relevant bit for emphasis:
In this phrase, you say some of theJitsu wrote:Some might consider this a scumtell (and is probably why some of the other pro-town players don't know what to think of you)other pro-town playersmight think something about me. This implies two things: a) you know I am pro-town, and b) you know others are pro-town. You are sympathizing with me, to a small extent buddying, and in your very terminology have admitted you know that I am pro-town and you know the identities of some other pro-town players.
Only scum know who's not scum.
When I asked you who these players might be, you didn't retract it or anything, and in fact gave a detailed explanation, citing many players. You were careful to say only Xyl you *really* thought was town, the rest you were unsure... but this response isn't really sufficient for me.
The damage was done when you said that other pro-town players were suspicious of me. And not just one -- some -- many.
Knowing I'm town and knowing others are town is something that townies just wouldn't know, or say.
I believe you are scum Jitsu, and you are caught.Do not lynch me.
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@Adel
I did read the game, Jitsu was amazing.
However, I think my point is anything but insubstantial, nor do I think it falls under the category of remarkably slim evidence.
Also, do you think Erg0 & Patrick's cases contained "remarkably slim evidence"?
Don't get me wrong, I am not defending opie in any shape or form -- at this point, if not Jitsu, opie seemsgreat. I really think I am on to something with Jitsu, however.
@Jitsu:
You didn't just say "pro-town players" you said "other pro-town players". You were addressing me -- so you meant "(I think you, Guardian, are pro-town) people other than you that I believe are pro-town"?Do not lynch me.
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I remember finding him suspicious earlier, and feeling that I was justified in doing so. He overreached, and tried to be seen as finding scum while not really being effective.Jitsu wrote:
Why?Guardian wrote:at this point, if not Jitsu, opie seemsgreat
I feel/felt really strongly about it. I see borh Matt_S-scum and Incog-scum as contingent upon/less likely than opie-scum, too.why do you think Opie is agreatcandidate?
Adel's case in 136 is pretty good.maybe I'm forgetting something, but what else is there to the case on Opie?
Maybe Adel can help out there? Note: I realize I'm being suspicious of him while not doing the grunt-work.I'm not defending Opie here -- in fact, I am trying to determine if I should vote for him. But I'm not quite sold on him yet. I'm willing to listen to a sales pitch.
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It seems she is not only leaning, but that sheJitsu wrote:I'm reading from your tone and phrasing here that you are leaning toward Guardian being town. Is that correct?knowsit:
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I think he is right and that we should all support himGuardian wrote:
I thought no one would ever ask.opie wrote:Guardian, why are you not motivated to respond to Incognito?
I'm busy, and many of his points are correct. I've followed Adel a lot. I ask many questions. I disagree that those things are indicative of my being scum, but I can't refute the facts. Also, while I don't find his case convincing, I think it would take quite a bit of time to respond to in sufficient depth to come anywhere near refuting.
Defenses are overrated anyway. Especially since not many are convinced by Incognito, and he is "100% sure" I am scum, I don't see how it would be a valuable expenditure of my time and effort to make arguments that aren't going to change many people's minds about anything. About 3 people have an inclination I'm scum right now, and I don't think responding to Incognito's case would do much, possibly reducing the number suspicious of me to 2 people from 3.
My time is much more valuably spent trying to find scum right now.
I decided not to press on this earlier, but I am interested how she "knows".Adel wrote:
yes. I am all about keeping the signal to noise ratio down. If I didn't know that you were town I would probably take a different stance.Guardian wrote:Also Adel is your 289 completely serious?
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Pat: In general, I tend to agree... But here, I find Jitsu both buddying and asserting knowledge others are town.Do not lynch me.
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Adel, what's my notable reaction?
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Votecount #17
Guardian - 4 (opie, Incognito, Adel, Jitsu)
opie - 3 (Oman, ChaosOmega, pickemgenius)
Jitsu - 2 (Patrick, Guardian)
Xyltixlm - 1 (Matt_S)
Matt_S - 1 (Xylthixlm)
Not voting - 1 (Erg0)
With 12 alive, it's 7 to lynch.
Deadline for D1: Saturday March 1, 10:55AM GMT+10
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Thinking about the last page with a clearer mind...
Both Jitsu and Adel still seem very scummy.
Jitsu went from leaning slightly pro-town on me to finding, imo, a rather spurious reason to (OMGUS) vote me. At worst, I made a mistake in bringing up that I was confused about how Adel "knew" I was town. I don't see how Jitsu draws the conclusion that I am scum in any way.
Adel then votes me for... no reason? And doesn't explain at all how she "knows" I am town now that it has been brought into the spotlight.
I don't like their votes at all. opie's vote on me, irrc, was from his overreaching that he was found very suspicious for. opie, you still feel good about that vote?
Incog's vote on me is the only one I see as making a bit of sense. Doesn't mean he is town, but if he is scum at least he is trying to fake it well.
I need to re-read.Do not lynch me.
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You are premising that I am trying to use a bad case to railroad a townie.
In making this case, you also are premising that you, opie, are a townie.
If you and Jitsu are both townies, it would have been both much easier AND more consistent with my previous play to just keep my vote on you.
Why, as scum, would I make a change in stance that would both be harder for me to achieve AND appear less consistent?
PPE: Adel, care to explain why you are answering opie's questions for him and thereby defending him?Do not lynch me.
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I'm growing increasingly suspicious of you Adel; you hadn't mentioned Jitsu as a scum suspect at all until... that post.
And until you voted me, you'd said you were "sure I was town". I'm having a hard time figuring out what is going on in your head and how it could possibly have pro-town motivations.Do not lynch me.
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Why I'm not scum:
Are you saying your case was crap-logic? Was finding opie suspicious suspicious?Adel wrote:1. followed my lead early on opie
Yeah, I abandoned it, at least temporarily -- I thought we were a bit too narrow sighted. You disagree?Adel wrote:2. abandoned the opie wagon when it looked probable that opie would be the lynch
I wasn't sure HOW to respond to it. Part of me wondered if you were a one way mason or some crap, some part of me wondered if you were just using game theory to point to me as "def town", and part of me wondered if you were scum. And I *did* respond to you when you universally endorsed me -- I asked you if you were serious. When you said you were, and made explicit that you somehow knew I was town, I didn't know what to do.Adel wrote:3. when I made the post stating that I know that Guardian is town, he didn't respond to it until other players did. As a townie he would've immediately challanged it. Now he is using it as evidence against me. Situational, and scummy.
Adel, you love little mafia tricks, but gambits designed to get odd reactions... GET odd reactions, regardless of alignment. I'm *still* unsure if somehow you still do have information I'm town and are just probing me!
I don't understand this point so I can't respond.Adel wrote:4. His inconsistant reaction to players making statements that may infer that they know others people's alignments. I have, Incognito has, and Jitsu has.
And in either of those games, did you figure out I was scum? Also, in how many games in which I was town have you identified me as scum? Sharing a partial meta is more than slightly deceptive. In my experience, Adel is pretty inconsistent at determining my alignment.Adel wrote:5. Guardian has been scum in two of our previous games together, and I have a strong intuitive suspicion of him which is at least partially based upon experience.Do not lynch me.
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