Mini Normal 1914 - Sunshine Mafia - Game Over

[Dunkerdoodles]

Ok looks like I'm a bit pressed for time. Thx for that short summery vedith, very helpful. I don't think I will have time to read the whole game by end of day so I will do that during the night. I will try and catch up atleast this day and give my thoughts in a bit.

[Dunkerdoodles]

Ok I read the last 10 or so pages.
I think it makes sense for one of the PR claims to be scum, I think syn is scum so I'm fine with a syn lynch. I haven't read a lot back but from what I hear he done much townie stuff and him not shooting yet if he is a 1 shot vig is strange.
I don't think there are 2 scums in the PR slot but I guess it could be true? I've heard btd and syn have been connected this game so if syn flips scum we can look at btd maybe. It looks like the other option is we lynch btd and let syn shoot but idk.
Could someone give me all the possible wagons for today. Btd and syn seem like the leading ones if I'm not mistaken. Vote count would be nice too @mod.

[Dunkerdoodles]

acutally im fine with lynching btd, as long as we lynch syn tmr if btd flips town. it seems like syn vs btd is TvS so one should be scum. i only haven't ever seen 2 of the same "specific" role in a game ex. 2 shot rolestopper, but i guess 2 2 shot rolestoppers could balence it out to 1 role, kinda like how odd night role cop and even night balance eachother out, but idk. basically im fine with lynching either so consider this:

intent to hammer btd tommorrow if nothing changes overnight.

[Dunkerdoodles]

acutally im fine with lynching btd, as long as we lynch syn tmr if btd flips town. it seems like syn vs btd is TvS so one should be scum. i only haven't ever seen 2 of the same "specific" role in a game ex. 2 shot rolestopper, but i guess 2 2 shot rolestoppers could balence it out to 1 role, kinda like how odd night role cop and even night balance eachother out, but idk. basically im fine with lynching either so consider this:

intent to hammer btd tommorrow if nothing changes overnight.

I am not the same role. Cooperative Sheep was a 2-shot Rolestopper. I am a 2-shot Roleblocker.

Why do you think it's TvS?

[Dunkerdoodles]

Oops I somehow lost my writing lol, anyways I think it's TvS because I don't see more than 2 more PRs existing in this game. If twoface and Dany aren't going to vote syn i guess btd is a ok lynch. We dont have a lot of time left so if someone wants to hammer I'm fine with it at this point.
VOTE: btd

[Dunkerdoodles]

sup, i'm town so idk why you guys are voting me. maybe if you gave me reasoning i could defend myself better

[Dunkerdoodles]

The only reason I see scum no killing here is if the scum aren't being scum read that much. Like if I was scum wouldn't i want to be in Mylo instead of 1 night from it. I could see scum trying to frame syn only if they aren't being scum read, so it's like a win win situation cause if town lynches syn scum win, if town don't then scum isn't being scum read and town mislynches and they still win. That probably sounded complicated but I hope u get the point. The other senerio is that appearantly scum can kill themselves but isn't that playing against win-con? Idk and the mod didn't really give us a direct answer.
Anyways syn is cleared for now as far as I'm concerned but I still want to hear more from him.
I'm without Internet on my computer so I'm phone posting but I'll try to get on more. It is canada day weekend up here so I won't be super active but I'll still chime in one in a while.
Pedit: vig does make more sense with a maf doc.

[Dunkerdoodles]

twoface, if you are a PR I think you should claim. With syn being a PR I think there's probably only 1 more PR if there even is one. I think its between you are Mario.
Also I'm a VT

[Dunkerdoodles]

Does anyone think there's a possibility both roles exist? If so I think maf would get another PR which would mess this whole situation up even more.

[Dunkerdoodles]

Can we just lynch either Mario or syn and lynch the other tommorrow if they flip town? Syn has proof he's vig, but Mario doesn't have proof he's motion sensor which is why I think we should lynch Mario today.

[Dunkerdoodles]

little catch-up post, got my computer back so i should be able to post more often. ive been reading the game on my phone tho.
that wall makes sense, but it could be trying to set up a mislynch for his partner when he flips scum. I'm not scum and therefore not his partner, so I think that townread is trying to set me up as a mislynch or it could be a genuine read if he is town. I'm kind of leaning towards the latter, which is why i'm hesitant to hammer Mario, but at the same time i don't want a no-lynch and we know syndesis is scum if mario flips town.
i'm sorry for doing a flip-analysis, as i think it's generally seen as scummy but i thought i'd get this out incase i die tonight. basically i think if mario flips scum, scum is in IaI, TwoFace or Dany (leaning dany) and if he flips town scum is Nacho which brings me to my next point.
2301 pings me. I've never seen anyone defend their predecessor, maybe this happens a lot and i'm completely wrong but imo if you replace into a town slot, you dont need to convince everyone your predecessor is town, when you could just convince everyone you're town. like there's no need to defend the previous person because

you

know they were town. because you are now that slot. that probably sounded confusing but i hope u guys get the memo.
anyways, i'm fine to hammer unless anyone else has something to say.

[Dunkerdoodles]

are mario/syndesis our only lynch options today? like, mario has done a really good job convincing me he's town if he is indeed scum. syn is still very likely vig, so maybe the two do exist together?
idk lynching mario is still probably the best option but i want to see if there is a possibility of maybe lynching nacho or dany? by poe i believe 1 of those 2 are the last scum (probably nacho).

[Dunkerdoodles]

well we will lynch syndesis if you flip town, and then lynch nacho and then we win

anyways i'll hammer if you are ok with it.

[Dunkerdoodles]

haha i don't want to hammer without people agreeing cause i don't want to be responsible for a town loss.

[Dunkerdoodles]

yeah that was my main concern. i don't want to hammer prematurely and then everyone's like "oh he hammered with 2 days left, obv scum" and then i get mislynched and town loses cause of that.
i was going to hammer anyways, just making sure we were ok with it. sorry if ur town.
VOTE: mario

[Dunkerdoodles]

well we will lynch syndesis if you flip town

Why does mario being town mean Synd scum?

because it's unlikely for there to be 6 power roles imo. i did consider the possibility of both existing, but it just doesnt make sense to lynch someone outside of (mm4 syn) today for reasons mario explained before i think.
if mario does flip scum syn is confirmed in my eyes tho.

pedit: could dany/nacho be a scumteam and syn is acutally vig?]

pedit: beat me to it

[Dunkerdoodles]

So Synd is scum eitherway?
Within the same post you say 6 PR is too many and then say it's possible.

i said it's

probably

too many. im still sorta new to this site, but from what i hear most normal games dont have 6 PRs and 1 scum PR. the chance of both you and mach being scum is still low, and you guys probably have this game won if that's the case, but it's still a possibility.

[Dunkerdoodles]

Im like 90% sure the scumteam is nacho/syn. think about it, he has been trying to set me up for a mislynch yesterday after mario is mislynched. he was setting up the syn/me scumteam yesterday the whole time. he gives no reasoning for me being scum, but keeps pushing me. also been townreading syn the whole game, based on the fact she claims vig, but when mario flips town he suddenly goes back to scumreading her (bus her and mislynch me tmr). that being said we're still lynching syn today because she's most likely scum.

VOTE: syn

[Dunkerdoodles]

In general, I think it's good form to give time in situations like these; if Syndesis is town, she now knows the scumteam and knows that she can win the game if she can make a good case for it. If she's scum, she knows the odds are overwhelmingly against her at this point so she doesn't have motivation to demonstrate otherwise.

this post basically confirms you as the last scum . if syndesis is acutally town (which i highly doubt) the game's over anyways, and if she's scum (highly probable) then you're the last scum.

[Dunkerdoodles]

well that was a long night.
anyways nacho is scum

VOTE: nacho

i guess iai wins if he's scum. highly doubt it tho

[Dunkerdoodles]

thats hammer yeah?

[Dunkerdoodles]

Gg, guys!
Pedit: I has a hunch you thought nacho was the last maf so I killed Dany instead. I could've easily been wrong though as I didn't play well at all but mush did which is why we won this game