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[Vedith]

VOTE: Chilly

[Vedith]

You unvote me before I day vig you!

[Vedith]

But it makes me happy.

[Vedith]

Scorpius is scum.

VOTE: Scorpius
Anyone against this lynch is their buddy.

[Vedith]

Mario, you're just against where I vote...
I hate you.

[Vedith]

Who's scum though, Mario?
I want the scum team right now from you!

[Vedith]

Carca is town for once!

[Vedith]

Me and you.

Okay. If I gave you a full gun, and said don't kill us buddy! Who would you kill right now as scum?

[Vedith]

Why? Is it because he doesn't seem to care about scumhunting? Because that's the only negative I see in his posts so far.

It's because I just received mod confirmation that he is scum or 3rd party.

[Vedith]

Me and you.

Okay. If I gave you a full gun, and said don't kill us buddy! Who would you kill right now as scum?

awesomeusername.

Why don't you ever want to work with me?!

[Vedith]

I'm thinking that too!

[Vedith]

I'm only 1 shot though.

[Vedith]

I'm one shot gamesolver. Come at me.

Bet you can't save it for day 3!

[Vedith]

Carca, how many scum do you think they have?
Think they have any particular roles?

[Vedith]

Carca, did you roll scum again?

[Vedith]

VOTE: Carcalilly
I have 1 name so far I'm thinking is scum with you, can you guess that name?

[Vedith]

VOTE: Carcalilly
I have 1 name so far I'm thinking is scum with you, can you guess that name?

Vedith, why are you bussing me???
VOTE: Vedith

Answer my question!

[Vedith]

VOTE: Carcalilly
I have 1 name so far I'm thinking is scum with you, can you guess that name?

Vedith, why are you bussing me???
VOTE: Vedith

Answer my question!

Uhhhh I am Innocent?

Answer my question!

[Vedith]

Carca is scum.
She's a book, and I'm reading it.

[Vedith]

That's fantastic, IAI.
Vote Carca.

[Vedith]

Gamma Emerald replaces Human Sequencer as backup mod, effective immediately.

Gamma scum.

[Vedith]

Sell me on it.

[Vedith]

But that's my colour...

[Vedith]

Io town.
Chilly Scum
Carca town

VOTE: Chilly

[Vedith]

Carca vote Chilly

[Vedith]

It's okay Io, I'm here to be the brains!

[Vedith]

the only guy i have more than like 1 game with is vedith
and i have no idea how to meta any of you

This is my first game.

[Vedith]

I'm not against a Mario lynch, because normally one of us are scum.

[Vedith]

Mario can I just sheep you day 1?

[Vedith]

VOTE: Steel

[Vedith]

LUV will always rebel.

[Vedith]

@Alban - Are you town?

[Vedith]

Not at all. I'm just asking if you're town.
Are you town?

[Vedith]

No it's not.
I'm asking if Alban is town.
Alban, do me a favour and tell me that you're town.
You too Carca.

[Vedith]

VOTE: Steel

Feel free to do so. It gives us an extra Town Power Role.

Mario can I just sheep you day 1?

VOTE: Steel
Your No-Lynch gimmick is mediocre and your insistence on continuing it when everyone ignores it is bad.

If you're going to vote me for a naked vote, at least get the facts right first, Chilly.

[Vedith]

Carca, you Scum?

[Vedith]

I guess we can talk about random things.

I think vedith is okay here, interactions with carcalilly are probably him trying to sort her a bit and not scum flip flopping it for no reason.

Why can't I be scum going for town cred, or trying to pocket Carca?

[Vedith]

Scum generally make more hypothetical "if I was scum" cases than town.

That's because I'm scum.

[Vedith]

Now that's getting good.
I'm a Sameday Sensor. So I've messaged Ircher and now I'll know how many scum are in Cara, Chilly and Alban.
If 2 of you fuckers are on me, I'm going to piss myself laughing, or PMSL as the kids say.

[Vedith]

Maybe, usually flipflopping judged poorly though and if carcalilly is town she does not seem a good target to pocket.

You shouldn't underestimate players.

[Vedith]

Tchill u should sheep me right now

Okay so Ircher has replied.
I'll let you guess how many out of 0-3.

[Vedith]

You can guess as well, Chilly...
Hint - I was surprised with what was said.

[Vedith]

No, Mario!

This is for Carca and Chilly because I'm honestly surprised.

[Vedith]

It's actually zero.
So Carca, Chilly and Alban are all confirmed town.

[Vedith]

Lol vedith what are you trying to do

I gave my results. Ircher said there were 0 scum on my wagon.

[Vedith]

Nope, you 3 are confirmed town now.
I was actually hoping for 3/4 town to be on me but 4 risks 1 scum in those 3.

Easy game, easy money.

[Vedith]

I've never fake claimed in my life.
Are you scum, Steel?

Trying to stop 4 confirmed town in an 11p game?

[Vedith]

You just killed confirmed town!

[Vedith]

Chilly, don't speak to Steel he's scum!

[Vedith]

I think Mario might be town.

[Vedith]

Well this took an odd turn.

What an oddish comment.

[Vedith]

VOTE: Vedith
Policy lynch.

Now I'm full of Gloom

[Vedith]

VOTE: Vedith
Policy lynch.

Now I'm full of Gloom

LYNCH THIS IMMEDIATELY. DO NOT WAIT FOR CLAIM. I REPEAT. DO NOT WAIT FOR CLAIM.

But my reads will evolve and Bellossom into something great.

[Vedith]

daykill: vedith

Is it a Tommy gun? Because all I hear is Rattatat

[Vedith]

Seems to me there's a lot of fluff coming from carcalilly, luv and Mario.

Do you think it's from scum, or town?

[Vedith]

WhyMafia - Games details.
I have a town result on Alban, Carca and Chilly.
However, this isn't confirmed until I am flipped.

[Vedith]

I actually can't be scum.
I'm a day 2 IC 3 shot self sensor.

[Vedith]

I actually can't be scum.
I'm a day 2 IC 3 shot self sensor.

Can you actually stop. Please give a genuine reads list

Town - never lynch

Vedith
Alban
Chilly
Carca

Most likely town - never lynch

Mario
Steel
Io
IaI

Lynch and win the game

WhyMafia
Scorpios
Awesome

[Vedith]

Wait vedith do you townread alban chilly and carca or are you serious with your claim?

...
In what universe would that role be normal?

You think I'm lying?

[Vedith]

9 times out of 10 i wouldn't get 3 town out of 3 players.
If I had 4 and there was 1 Scum we could mis lynch 3 times before hitting Scum. It's not that powerful I just got lucky.

[Vedith]

Common man, no one believes your claim. Just play, please. We have spent more time on you than on anyone else after you claimed.

PS. True. Either the scums must be given hyperstrong roles to balance you out, or they are >3. Either of which will not fit in a normal set-up.

But it's true.

[Vedith]

Alban is town

[Vedith]

Ircher could have hidden his login.
Your argument is extremely weak.

[Vedith]

I suggest we Lynch in the 3 names I gave as Scum worthy.
As Scum they will be scared right now and will be forced to kill in Carca, Chilly and Alban.
If non of them are killed tonight you can lynch me for 3 confirmed

[Vedith]

I say just trust me day 1.

VOTE: WhyMafia

[Vedith]

I suggest we Lynch in the 3 names I gave as Scum worthy.
As Scum they will be scared right now and will be forced to kill in Carca, Chilly and Alban.
If non of them are killed tonight you can lynch me for 3 confirmed

Let's lynch scorpios.

VOTE: scorpios

[Vedith]

Just vote with me Steel. Tomorrow you will call me the best player ever. \o/

[Vedith]

@Vedith: Could you give up the fake claim and give your actual reads please? Otherwise I'm just going to assume that you're hard-townreading Carca, Tchill, and alban, and that 425 is your actual reads.

I'm not town reading them, they are town.

[Vedith]

@Vedith - One chance. Is the claim real - yes or no? If yes there is a borderline game breaking tactic here.

Llama! \o/
Can you advise which exact claim you mean?

[Vedith]

I don't want to reveal that information.

[Vedith]

The one that can be close to game breaking. The day-sensor one.

Oh, not the Day 2 IC 3 shot sensor?

[Vedith]

The one with results. Stalling shouldn't be happening here.

Real claim with results. Yes or no.

Can you quote the post I did it on? Thanks.

[Vedith]

vedith pls

?

[Vedith]

you know exactly what he's talking about.

Yeah, but I wanted to see if they knew what they were talking about.

[Vedith]

I could never lie to you Mario!
I might have exaggerated my role a little!

[Vedith]

yeah you know when i claimed bulletproof vig jailkeeper cop doctor? i may have exaggerated my role a little.

Yeah I did wonder how you was a doctor too there...

[Vedith]

Also, I think Carca might actually be scum.

[Vedith]

Nah Io doesn't ping me.
Alban is obvious town though.

[Vedith]

Not Voting (4) - Io (428), Steel (469), Tchill13 (475), Scorpious (482)

However, there is exactly 1 scum here.

[Vedith]

Real town block moving forward is myself, WM, Io and Tchill. MM is honorary borderline member.

No one cares about your opinion.

[Vedith]

Wait, who's Aun?

[Vedith]

I think we should find out vedith's real claim the old fashioned way now.

I think you won't find out.

[Vedith]

I tried to push a lynch with an innocent result.

[Vedith]

See if he stayed with his claim, he is 100% the correct lynch just based on strategy as we essentially manage to force all of the remaining scum kills if he is town or we get rid of scum. As he is backing off, he is still the lynch but now just because he is scum instead of being a policy lynch based on results of what he claimed.

Also, concerning this, keep in mind late game.
If this flips scum then they gave their scum team up too easily.

Carca or Awesome (I assume that was Aun?)
Other is in Steel / Alban / Scorpius.

[Vedith]

VOTE: Llamafluff

He is doing the exact same thing as me, but I feel like from him its scummy.

How about Scorpios.
We can do a day where I pick the lynch, then you get to pick the lynch the next day?

[Vedith]

AUN and Carcallily are excellent picks for potential partners.

Even now he continues to make assumptions about who will be alive and that flips will not have any bearing on what future day reads will have

[Vedith]

@alban: Your vote is on Vedith but he's at the top of your town list.

Me and Alban have a special relationship.

[Vedith]

You're rusty, Llama.
But I could lynch Carca.

[Vedith]

VOTE: Carca

[Vedith]

<3

[Vedith]

Dammit I thought Vedith was scummier, but now you made me change my mind
kriff
VOTE: Carca
Will you be in a town block with me? Pretty please <3

This is probably the worst post of day 1 so far.

[Vedith]

Carca, you're scum but not for the playing round party.
I look forward to Llama putting their money where their mouth is and voting you to L1.

[Vedith]

I townread Vedith actually, this doesn't feel like his scum game from what I know.

You town read me because I'm not in your PT...

Once day, Carca, we can be town together <3

[Vedith]

Okay, Io, I confess!
Vote Carca.

[Vedith]

So why not lynch Carca today then me tomorrow?

[Vedith]

Wait... I'm trying to make it obvious that me and Carca are scum together, because we are scum together, but I'm trying to get a mis lynch on town Carca?

[Vedith]

Did you eat a lot of crayons as a child?

[Vedith]

Okay... I need to confess.
Carca is a book, and I'm pro at reading her.
There's a twist at the end, but it's normally something along the lines of "the car was never blue".

[Vedith]

If not 3 scum, it's most likely 2 and 1 traitor.
Don't go into the game assuming the best outcome otherwise you will all get bit if we go to an unknown LyLo.

[Vedith]

Io is just VI. Ignore her and just speak to the adults.

[Vedith]

That's the same thing though?

It's not.
The scum team don't know there's a traitor in normal games and there for playing to win with a team of 2.

You are so lucky I am not a 1-shot Dayvig.

I doubt you could work it with the intelligence you have already shown this game.

[Vedith]

The scum team don't know there's a traitor in normal games and there for playing to win with a team of 2.

What do people not get of this?
A traitor knows the scum team, scum team don't know the traitor.
If town go with "Only 2 scum" and if there's a traitor then they act stupid in a LyLo situation they aren't aware of.

[Vedith]

@Vedith - How many closed setups have you ran?

18 as of right now, why?

[Vedith]

I said that, and said that Carca is only scum if Vedith is also scum.

So if I flip town you are calling Carca town?

[Vedith]

Yes, scum don't know the traitor, but they know there is a traitor, and you said "the scum team don't know there's a traitor"

In Normal games?

[Vedith]

Pretty much I don't see Carca as being scum.
The only thing scummy about her is the interactions she's been having with you.

Maybe you aren't just stupid like you give the impression.
Maybe you are trying to give Carca a town read to others with bad logic.

[Vedith]

The only thing scummy about her is the interactions she's been having with you.

So if you only have interactions with me that look scummy, and I flip town you are therefore town to Io...

I'm honestly stumped to if you believe an IQ is out of 100 or you are trying to prevent a Carca lynch going forward...

[Vedith]

Yes, scum don't know the traitor, but they know there is a traitor, and you said "the scum team don't know there's a traitor"

In Normal games?

Yes.

Okay. My point still stands. Don't assume it's only 2 scum.

[Vedith]

I just checked normal guidelines.
"identity is not known by the Mafia team, although they should know a Traitor exists"

So I was right.

[Vedith]

You infuriate me.
You can't just pull the stuff you pulled, claim scum as some sort of reaction test, then prance around like you're confirmed town.
I gave in full detail why I don't see Carca as being scummy with just how she is playing.

I'm Vedith, I can do the fuck I like.
Also, you are saying if you are wrong on my read here, you can't be wrong on Carca then being town...

[Vedith]

You said Mafia don't know a Traitor exists. That's incorrect.

It's irrelevant and if anything strengthens my point.

[Vedith]

My God you are thicker than a milkshake.
Carca from what I've seen with the game so far and their ISO looks like a townie. The only thing that looks like it could be from a scum has been how they've interacted with you. It's called an associative tell. I believe your flip would be the same alignment as Carca's.

Given that I can always read Carca, me flipping town means that my read is more of value than yours.
You are not putting Carca to null on me flipping town, you are calling her town. Your logic does not back this up. You fucking flamingo.

[Vedith]

ooooooooh is this where we call people dumb
io you're denser than osmium. not like you know what that means.
vedith you're slower than a fucking sloth and you don't even have chikorita snivy OR oddish in your avatar

That's an oddish comment.

[Vedith]

I'm saying that Carca just simply hasn't been scummy

Not being scummy doesn't make someone town you fuck nugget.

[Vedith]

pedit: Vedith do you want me to policy lynch you

I don't want to be lynched!
Ditto

I promise to Muk in more!

[Vedith]

That's not a given because you haven't proved it.


That's it. I'm fucking leaving. I'll be back in 5 or so hours.
I'm done with this shit of you two not listening to what I say and taking everything I say out of context.

Me flipping town would prove it. I can read Carca better than anyone here we are best friends IRL.

[Vedith]

I'm 99% sure Vedith isn't trolling here.

Wait, trolling on what?

[Vedith]

Because I know I'm right?
And what you do isn't considered pressure... As I know Ircher wouldn't like me to finish that comment, I'll leave it there

[Vedith]

I love you and everything vedith but this is a lie lol

</3
It's not even worth living anymore if you think this!

[Vedith]

But, this fakeclaim is more intricate that your other fakeclaims. Why'd you feel the need to do such a thing?

It brings the scum out to play.

[Vedith]

Vedith why did you put carcalilly in your conf town then come out and say you think she's scum? What changed?

I wanted to see how she reacted. I didn't like it but wanted to carry it on for a bit.
Carca knew I was lying from the start with the reasoning I do it all the time. I've done it about 5 times in all my games.

[Vedith]

Awesome
Scorpios
Carca
Llama

In them.

If you or Mario are scum, I'll just be in your pockets this game.

[Vedith]

Awesome and Carca are probably the strongest 2.

[Vedith]

Examples are..... ???

Are what?

[Vedith]

Basically because I have more experience with carcalilly and I'm more confident they're scum

See, Chilly gets it!
Right now I think scum are trying to avoid my wagon and pretend to push else where.

[Vedith]

You say Carcalilly reacted badly. What are those reactions and why are they bad? Also why did you not vote her until I voted you?

I already explained the second part. Either read, or don't.
Carca just reacted exactly how scum Carca would for me. If Carca wasn't scum she would have kept her vote on me and pushed me as scum.

[Vedith]

You guys don't know my town game yet :/

Doesn't help that you are always scum!

[Vedith]

I townread Vedith actually, this doesn't feel like his scum game from what I know.

I'm not?
VOTE: vedith

Easy game, easy money.

[Vedith]

My read has changed since then :/

So I'm scum now?

[Vedith]

Scum Carca

[Vedith]

Step 1 - Vedith town
Step 2 - Vedith scum I changed my mind
Why?
Step 3 - Because I'm sheeping.

[Vedith]

That's not what you said. You said that your read has changed.
Therefore, you scum read me now, correct?

[Vedith]

That's what I mean. -_-

Can you explain what you mean, because it isn't clear.
You scum read me because 2 of your town reads scum read me?

Why did you not scum read me when they were originally scum reading me, and instead you town read me?

[Vedith]

Because of how they cased you.
I didn't notice how you were acting, but when they spelled it out, it looks just like awkward vedith scum. You told me yourself about how uneasy you are when you're scum.

Explain what their cases were about me.
What's awkward about Vedith this game?

[Vedith]

@Vedith/Carcalilly - Please give me a bullet point case on each other.

Yeah, I won't be doing that.
I've given 2 scum that's all people get.

Right now, I think Gamma has done more than you this game, so excuse me while I'll dismiss you.

[Vedith]

Wait, over confidence is a scum tell? But yet I'm uneasy as scum?

Carca scum

[Vedith]

Scum Carca

[Vedith]

You forgot to add that I i dip from the thread as scum and post minimal.
I mean, since you want to meta my scum play, right?

[Vedith]

I think she would defend herself as either align.
Her align just so happens to be scum here.

[Vedith]

All the best Io, I hope it's nothing too serious.

[Vedith]

Shup up WhyMafia. You fucking nugget.

[Vedith]

Too right it is, Chilly!

[Vedith]

I don't claim.

[Vedith]

Nope, I refuse to.
I'm not even sure I'm L1 without a VC.

[Vedith]

Go for it.

[Vedith]

I refuse to help a town that follow someone with a shit case.

[Vedith]

Bullshitting is what town me does, and you know it. But go and drop the hammer.
I'm not changing my mind here and telling my role

[Vedith]

Wait, Mario, why are you hammering? I thought you didn't like the case on Vedith?

Stop trying to throw shade.
You are white knighting.

[Vedith]

This is town Chilly 10 times over.

[Vedith]

I'm waiting Mario...
Show dem balls of steel.

[Vedith]

Oh, little Mario hasn't got the minerals, eh?
Then GTFO and don't try that bluff shit with me.

[Vedith]

I'm achieving being right this game.
The stupidity of town to why no one is posting is because everyone is coating and trying to avoid until someone does a hammer.
You call my shit anti town, but the fact town just let the game die at an important phase shows that all you fuckers are anti town.

GTFO

[Vedith]

VOTE: Vedith

Fuck you.

[Vedith]

All scum are in Carca / Scorpius / Awesome / Llama
Just take that tomorrow. Chilly - You know I can get day 1 reads right, so lead it.

[Vedith]

Then don't fucking say it to me.

[Vedith]

Because it's always bullshit at that point and you know it.

[Vedith]

Because it's always bullshit at that point and you know it.

No it's not "always bullshit." It's making people fucking take stances. That's completely and entirely different.

Stances are the easiest thing to fake in this position so don't bullshit a bullshitter.

[Vedith]

No? They don't matter as much when someone's about to be lynched. But they still force you to actually state your opinion and do something about it before the flip. It's far, far easier for scum to fake it after the flip.

It's NAI.
Either they say "He's obvious town" and the lynch goes through
or
"It's scum" lynches and goes, "Well I thought they were".

It's NAI shit so stop trying to act like you can get anything from it.

[Vedith]

Okay, look at Awesome. He called me town and appeared to try and save me.
But he's scum as fuck.

Yet you didn't pick up on that and instead called Chilly scum when he's clear town.

[Vedith]

Chilly knows my town game, so he has good reason to think it. You know my town game, so you have good reason to know it.
Awesome doesn't unless he's an alt - So he doesn't have good reason to say it.

[Vedith]

And the Carca flopping around. 1 second I'm scum, then town then scum, and then the reason is because sheeping, then it's because the case what that convincing.
Then Carca avoided the thread and posted else where.

It's scum Carca.

[Vedith]

Honestly, Llama didn't read the game. I can promise you that. Llama took a snippet and took advantage.
If town, then Llama can't talk shit about my play, because that was anti town, if scum, I'm sure you dip shits will gobble it all up later.

[Vedith]

Last towngame I played with you, you called me and another townie "scumfucks" and tunnelled both of us. The thing is that there were 9 players alive only 5 of which were town, yourself included. Your reads aren't infallible. I'll look into Tchill!town and I'll look into Awesome!scum, but you don't get to call me out because my reads aren't the same as yours.

Joining in a game and starting a game are completely different.

[Vedith]

*Joining half way through a game, and starting a game from start.

[Vedith]

I'm also proven at reading Chilly and Carca well.

[Vedith]

I'm not actually saying you're play terrible, you're acting like a fucking nugget though.
We both know I think you're a better player than me. But there's certain situations where I just have the experience with, and you don't. Like Chilly and Carca.

[Vedith]

pedit: Didn't you say that you could recognise my scumgame in that game too?

Recognising a scum game and proven multiple correct reads on a player are not the same.

[Vedith]

Bye Alban.

[Vedith]

Good kid, Alban it.

[Vedith]

I hope someone vigs you, Awesome.

[Vedith]

Towns request that I do it.
Look at me being helpful \o/

[Vedith]

That's okay Alban, I know your slot is town.

[Vedith]

Carca or Awesome.
Otherwise Scorpios or Llama.

[Vedith]

Mario and Chilly are town.

[Vedith]

I'm pretty sure Io is town too. 4 comfortable town reads.

[Vedith]

@alban: Why are you sure he's town? And what are your thoughts on Carca?

That's a scum post.

[Vedith]

Look at Awesome trying to change his view.
You are scum, I get it.

[Vedith]

No.

[Vedith]

Mulch \o/