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Hello.

VOTE: Dunkerdoodles

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VOTE: Perfect Fifth

I'm being blatantly oppurtunistic in the name of wagoning scumfucks.

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Nothing I say or do is scummy. Do better.

I think Perfect is a better lynch because, although both are kind of awkward, Unabombah's awkwardness feels personality-based and Perfect's doesn't.

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I kinda want to go back to my Dunkerdoodles vote here.

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I kinda want to go back to my Dunkerdoodles vote here.

except i'm town as confirmed by rb

VOTE: Dunkerdoodles
You're approaching this entire thing way too awkwardly. Instead of helping rb and making reads / generating reactions, you're just sitting back and agreeing with everything he says. I get that this isn't entirely serious, but it's also not what I'd expect from town.

pedit:

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it's ok tho because the one time i flip scum i still get scumread and lynched feelsbadman

Lynch all liars.

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I'm an alt.

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@skitter30/wavemode: It

could

simply be a matter of personality or playstyle, in that Dunker is choosing to sit back in the early-game. However, I feel like him abandoning his (presumably serious?) vote immediately to help rb is somewhat suspicious, and posts afterwards like 61 make me feel like he's trying to get on rb's good side. It's weak, but right now, I don't have anything better.

I feel like I understand where Sunlit's coming on so I'm giving her a tentative townread.

@Unabombah; This game follows the Normal Guidelines that you can find on this wiki page.

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@Perfect Fifth; Why would you claim PR at this point in the game?
@skitter30; That's interesting. I think I found the game you were referring to (Newbie 1797?) Your case in Dunker was because he couldn't give reasoning for his vote and unvoted when pressured. Although it does show that Dunker can be scummy as town, I don't think that's the same as what's happened this game; he wasn't pressured, but he voluntarily gave up his vote and stopped scumhunting while appealing to rb.

I still agree with pretty much everything SD is saying and I have a townread there.

I don't really like 131- it feels like busywork. I don't like 140 either. It just seems like there's no actual good reason to self-vote there; it could be a sarcastic meme, but it's just way too awkward, especially since they haven't unvoted yet.
I don't really like Ciara's fixation on Unabombah. He looks like town so far and she's basically used her vote on him to avoid pushing or actually doing anything other than a few statements. I could vote there. (I have no idea why my reads are so similar to rb's.)

I feel like NTRP isn't that suspicious. Sure, he hasn't done that much, but he took the step to call Una scum over PF and has contributed @ Dunkerdoodles.

I'd be willing to vote in {Ciara24, Dunkerdoodles, Flavour Leaf} at this point in time.

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I have no idea why my reads are so similar to rb's.

Wouldn't that tell you that you're town together?

It could be indicative of that, sure. I don't know if my thought processes are the same as his, as he hasn't shared them and I doubt he intends to for at least a while. It could also be indicative of us individually reaching the same conclusions, or my conclusions being the same as his fake conclusions.

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@NTRP; Ah, okay. I thought you were indicating that Una was more likely to be scum than SD. I'm pretty sure not all the reasons for FL are tonal, though.

Flavor Leaf has a wagon so I'm going to vote there for now.
VOTE: Flavor Leaf

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@Thor; Nothing changed. I was going to vote Flavour Leaf in my last post, but I forgot to.
@NTRP; Off the top of my head, my reasons were that 131 was busywork which didn't accomplish anything, and that 140 has no town motivation (especially since they don't unvote; if they did, I would call it a joke vote and write it off, but it remains.)

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Well, no, I didn't have a "top one." I had a top three. I was thinking of voting Flavour Leaf, because he was the one with the biggest wagon, but I ended up forgetting to do that, and corrected it in a later post.

The current wagon speed isn't AI for me.
@NTRP; Do you think scum would have had time to effectively build a counterwagon? If the answer is yes; who is scum on the wagon who opts to be on it instead of counterwagoning?

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Who is scum on the wagon I dont know. Im not really familiar as to where scum would place themselves on thw wagon and would have to go back and look. Personally, Id put myself somewhere in the middle because I think that rhe beginnging and ends of the wagon are looked at the most

I don't mean "where is scum on the wagon?" I'm asking "who is scum on the wagon?"

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@Ciara; Why do you believe Wavemode is town? Also, if you don't believe Unabomba is scum (hence the unvote), who is scum?

@wavemode; Is this really the reasoning you thought was worth hiding for so long? All it is is me making a comment and SD agreeing with it.

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{NotTheRealPaul, skitter30, Unabombah}
{Thor665, Sunlit Diamond, Perfect Fifth, Eddie Cane, rb}
{wavemode, Ciara24}
{Dunkerdoodles, Flavour Leaf}

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@Thor; Rb is null because I don't really see any reason to townread him. Mostly he's just making statements without evidence; i.e "this is town." and "this is scum." I don't think this is indicative of town or scum. I liked his earlier pushes {PF and FL} but I don't like his later pushes {me and SD} and that's all I actually have to base my read on.

@wavemode; I disagree that my pushes are surface-level. I don't vote people for "not acting how I expect" I vote people for things "less likely to come from town than things other people have done" because at this point in the game that's the only way to find scum other than tone-reads.

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I agree that none of the three points you mentioned would make much sense. I think that if Rb is scum the most likely explanation for counterwagoning SD is for towncred. The lynch on FL wasn't going through this early ever, so there wasn't much point to staying onto it if he was scum- the wagon would just crash and lose momentum anyway since nobody would accept a hammer this early. He could gain easy towncred by taking a step back and pretending to be wary of the wagon. It's not really AI in my opinion, since there are valid explanations from both a town + scum point of view.

I put Skitter in the town section because I like her posting so far on a whim; the analysis feels genuine to me and she doesn't feel like she has any particular agenda at this point (i.e, she doesn't look like she's grasping for towncred, setting anything up, or trying to lynch anybody.)

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@Thor; I didn't think as much about Skitter because I didn't see anything that made me doubt my townread on her.

Scumread on Wavemode increases every time he mentions his "gut-scumreads" without actually presenting evidence or anything that implies he is gamesolving/actually trying to kill his scumreads.

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VOTE: wavemode
Your buzzwords are bullshit.

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Your pokemon is bullshit. Cyndaquil is so much better than Vulpix.

^Policy lynch this.

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Thor, that's not accurate. I don't automatically read people as town; I townread Skitter from her early content, and she hasn't done anything to make me doubt my townread of her, which means I don't have to analyse her as closely (there is only evidence on one side of the argument). I'm somewhat lost as to what alignment rb could be, so I've considered that more.

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Guess what?
Wavemode's case on me is entirely composed of bullcrap.

The first laughable assumption he made was that voting someone without giving your reasons is sheeping. By that logic, most of wavemode's content in the game has been sheeping. I gave my reasoning. PF's tone felt scummy and awkward at the time. And no, strictly game-related content isn't needed to judge someone's alignment, as long as they have a Role PM.
I wasn't "dismissive." I explained my concerns. Being dismissive would be saying "I don't really care about your meta." which isn't scummy in itself actually. What I did was literally disagree with a point that was made. Is that supposed to be scummy?
I like how wavemode is arguing that I have a fixation on someone on Post 90. It's amusingly wrong in ways that I shouldn't have to explain.
If you're going to scumread people for voting for weak reasons, wait until there's a weak vote outside of RVS.

Literally every one of wavemode's "points" is gasping at straws to try and make his earlier scumread seem valid without re-evaluating. I'm 100% happy with my vote.

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No, I've got Flamethrower and I'm going to destroy your scumteam with it.

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All of those statements are completely useless.
I didn't want to lynch PF over one post. I thought PF was a better RVS wagon.
I didn't feel "so strongly" about scum!dunker. I had a theory. I don't see why it's incorrect, or why my reasons against the counterarguments were incorrect. Even if you do believe that, you're literally scumreading me for disagreeing with you. What a case. It's not like you had anything better. Your only scumread was because you felt I was "grasping at straws" to get a scumread. But without doing that, I never get anywhere.
Dunkerdoodles actually never participated more independently. I don't know where you came to that conclusion. The only thing I could notice is saying "I think wavemode is scum" without actually doing anything with that one statement, which is scummy distancing if anything at all.
I'm pretty confident in wave!scum because you're trying to push a mislynch confidently on really, really, really weak logic, and everything you do is shaped around your """theory""" of Aus/SD without actually participating or doing anything useful.

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Also; I'm not a newb. I sound somewhat like a newb, because I'm using a playstyle that I am both completely unfamiliar with and (currently) bad at.
But don't try to pin newbscum on me.

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uhhhh okay. so i've requested that this account be replaced with my main because yeah i'm not able to play with this playstyle and all it really ends up doing is making the game worse.
i'll probably reconsider the game now that i'm not making myself approach it as logically as possible. SD looks like scum right now. the explanations she gives are stretchy and overcomplicated. i suppose i'll reply to it later. also now i don't have to switch accounts every time i post so i'll probably be more active