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Also if vig exists

DO NOT CLAIM

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I need townreads badly

Everyone fight for my PoE pool, ta

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I wanna know why Thor literally just tunneled SD all day

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I go to work for a couple hours, come back, and u hammer mulch? and mulch with self hammer bullshit. sigh. you can't be as good a player as you think if the first time your lynch is a real possibility you self hammer. disappointed.

Who's the hardclaimed PR

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What the quote. That was accident

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Kinda wondering if jt was just forgotten in all the shit

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Frog what type of action did you take last night?

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I think Eddie is actually town

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Strongest TR is mario

Why are you scumreading him?

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Ausuka is explainable
I read that as TvT. I don't see it as scum mario

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mario is this townslip fake y/n

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Eddie I just think that it's way, way too common to just lynch whoever had the most interaction with the previous day's mislynch

Mario's progression through the game is more natural and accurate than anyone else (post-Ausuka)

I mean maybe it's a strategic replace and well, that's shitty. I just feel like mario honestly tried something new, it was rip in pepperonis and he switched to mario because he's town and actually trying to figure shit out. If he was scum I think he just takes the lynch on Ausuka?

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Why do you not have a rest of catchup when you were apparently catching up further?

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I'm just gonna say frog is probably town tbh

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Frog/mario/me

Can we work together

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Eddie why do your words feel so fake and hollow

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There's a real lack of continuity in them that I find more than a little disconcerting

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Just say the player rofl

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So it's taken you like an hour to make five vague posts alluding to some person when you could have just said it, we discuss it and move on to figuring out more things. Instead you're wasting everyone's time

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This is why towns can't have nice things

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Why do you post so little?

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UnaBombaH I honestly have no idea why town would prefer to play this dumb game than to just be clear

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Una you have exactly one post to stop stalling or you're getting lynched today

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I hate when a new day starts and ppl like just talk to me and stuff about pointless stuff but like don't try to do anything with all the new information.

LIKE WHY ARE YOU POSTING THEN

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VOTE: Paul

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Pagetop naked vote.

Scum has been caught

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Feel free to tell us who your buddies are Paul

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Being reluctant to share that information was actually pointless

From now on do more of that and less nancy drew

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No this is good

I also think Eddie might be pocketing me potentiallty, so gj

Other stuff is kinda wonky but that's why you need to share it so we can discuss. You've literally been unreadable to me and I'm just sitting here all game like "can SOMEONE DO SOMETHING USEFUL"

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And now i think ur town, congrats

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Can we all please just get way fucking past the idea that you find scum in some very specific single action as if when two people do the same thing, as if you can't scumread one and not the other?

There's an entire game to parse as well as trying to read the player's personalities, different players have different scumtells and very few are universal for fuck's sake

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mario whats the chikorita army?

lynch this scum

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Ehh sure. Its still wierd Imo if u read one player as scum for doing something but not another player for exact same thing.

No two players do the exact same thing because they're different people and the entirety of their games up to that point is never the same

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tl;dr context matters because guess what:

anything town can do, scum can do
anything scum can do, town can do

What matters is WHY they did it

Ergo: i don't actually give a fuck about why unah was on SD for reasons that are long and complex but ultimately because I don't think going into that will have any bearing on una's alignment

For reasons that are long and complex I think this is a central topic to figuring out Thor's alignment, however

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Also, wavemode's egopost + naked vote are actually irredeemably shit and I don't know why I'm not voting him

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VOTE: wavemode

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@Paul why would you be interested in my thought process?

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Unah you're very far from the worst Newbie-in-Normal queue I've encountered

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bcuz u seem so sure of urself. im just curious how u form reads. i know u think thought orocesses are scumm thats why i said post game

What about me being sure of myself makes you want to understand my thought process?

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Paul do you townread me or scumread me?

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Okay so considering I've basically just been wrong so far about my two major scumreads in Mulch + Sunlit, and you townread me - I can only assume that if anything you'd consider my style not actually effective so far.

So I kind of want to know what about it has made you interested? Are you looking to be as ineffective as I have been so far?

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@Una can you just do more posts like the one you were so unsure about making. I assure you it was a fine post and exactly the sort of post town players should be making. If you are town and have thoughts about stuff like that, it's best to share it.

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I was aware of it but I didn't really see the need to go into it on Day1

If true I wouldn't be ever dying night1 (scum aren't gonna kill their pocket attempt) and I can address it later.

It's not eye opening for me, but it IS helpful for me to see YOUR alignment because it's demonstrating that you're seeing things that are not-so-obvious and that basically no brand new scum would see

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@Paul okay, you're either town, or just really deftly dodged a bullet as scum there

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Woo, townblocksss

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Town: Paul, Una, Mario

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Deary me I wonder if you could be scum and THIS good at it. Rather than assume you're an outrageously gifted scum player I'm just gonna say you're town instead.

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Okay look, when you said my thought process intrigued you - it implies you think (or know) I'm town.

If you're scum and you know, it means you're appeasing me and trying to get in my good books.

If you're town and scumread me, you'd never ever say this. So when I asked you if you think I'm scum or town, I wanted to know. It doesn't definitely make you town that you said I'm town, but it does mean that at least this wasn't a perspective slip on your behalf. Maybe you just covered it well but I believe that you going allcaps annoyed + seeming confused means you weren't scum covering it either.

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So there's a few things that you could have said wrong which would belie a scum perspective or motive, but you didn't do any of them really.

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It's not unheard of for scum to kill their main lynch target and say, "why would I ever bother doing that?"

I've done it in the past

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Tbh I think wavemode is a gr8 lynch and Thor is good

Eddie feels much more town today and less pocket

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Yeah with that avi you're more likely to penguin him

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Even if I did exactly those things (woooosh!) how does that suggest scum intent?
At best you're describing bad play there, not scum play, what am I missing?

lol

VOTE: thor

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reasons for thinking SD = scum are not the same as reasons for tunneling SD

try again

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@Rb - how did both Paul and Una go from you wanting them lynched to one of the few people in your town bloc? Haha. I'm not seeing it with either of them. I actually think Una's pretty scummy, granted Eddie's one of my stronger town reads.

u gonna read or nah?

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just ask questions to look like you're doing stuff i guess, that's fine too

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which of una's postings are scum then

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which of una's posts do you find scummy, i've already indicated which posts and why i think una is town

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I was aware of it but I didn't really see the need to go into it on Day1

If true I wouldn't be ever dying night1 (scum aren't gonna kill their pocket attempt) and I can address it later.

It's not eye opening for me, but it IS helpful for me to see YOUR alignment because it's demonstrating that you're seeing things that are not-so-obvious and that basically no brand new scum would see

this is probably the first and last time i quote myself

it's pretty obvious here exactly where and why i started to townread unabombah. it's very unambiguous in fact, that i believe the observation they made RE: eddie and myself is not the kind of observation i'd ever expect a newb scum player to make

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what do you not like about the posts, be specific

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what do you not like about the posts, be specific

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where does the scum motivation come into saying you're pocketing me eddie

in fact how does newb scum even see that weird interaction and know to try and capitalize on it?

is una god-tier scum? the world where una is scum is if they're just really, really good, but it's pretty unproductive to assume every perceptive new player is just a really good scum player as opposed to simply being town and trying to be perceptive

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I'm not really sure what you are referring to exactly with the thing she wouldn't be doing as newb scum?

It's the thought process behind it and the posts themselves.

outline the thought process, and quote these posts

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what do you not like about the posts, be specific

her case on me is literal garbage

it's a very real possibility that you've been trying to pocket me. a possibility i quietly entertained all of day1 and i think una is 100% correct to be suspicious of the fact that you are automatically cordial and cooperative with me with no obvious attempt to sort my slot

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Tbh I think wavemode is a gr8 lynch and Thor is good

Eddie feels much more town today and less pocket

He has to, because it has been pointed out.
Also, because YOU asked why he lacked continuity and whatnot.

Doesn't it bother you that he townreads you without any reasons for it?
When people ask him to elaborate more on WHY(the most important question IMO), he just refuses to do so.

eddie and I have played together as all sorts of alignment combos. we've been town together and played a game each against one another as scum/town so it doesn't really surprise me that eddie would do so - with the possibility of a pocket attempt

so it's not as outrageously weird as it might seem to you, and i'm still entertaining the idea he's pocketing but i'm not going to tinfoil hat and scumread him based on the possibility. i see him being less than cooperative, but not scummy. he can probably adapt his meta to fit what i expect but that's also part of why i didn't say anything D1 about how i suspected the pocket.

whatever the case, eddie isn't my top SR and he's one of the players spurring people towards being active and is making more than a little bit of a splash. if he's town here, i need him alive and productive and i don't have the confidence in my scumread on him to throw that potential away

it's risky but considering how few good townreads i have so far and how i don't expect this playerlist is going to figure out how to obvtown for me any time soon, eddie isn't someone i'm willing to lynch for now

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I'm truly just not super interested in the opinions or comments of you or rb anymore so either kill me or leave me alone.

Happy to oblige tbh

VOTE: wavemode

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i need to figure something out

everyone please state their read on me if they haven't already:

dunker - town
eddie - town
paul - town
una - town
frog - town
mario - town
flavor leaf - town
thor - ?
skitter - ?
wavemode - ?

As far as I know, it's possible the entire game townreads me. Yes?

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hmm, sorry una i didn't realise i was getting so in your way of pushing eddie. it's just i can't see myself voting him for today at least. i'm out and about for the next 24hrs or so but i'm going to try re-evaluate because it's very likely the entire game is townreading me. Someone's full of shit.

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Skitter/thor - read on me.

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once i have everyone's read on me i'll explain this point further.

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Thor when are you going to do stuff

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You just fkn waffle

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ur actual impact is just so low, ur word to presence ratio is appalling

confirmed that im being townread by every player in the game, but going to bed so will have to discuss that tomorrow

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SAY IT WIT YO CHEST

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(vote)

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distancing from wagon

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does flavor leaf even exist

why do these people sign up to games

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it doesn't necessarily mean i'm wrong

it can just mean scum realise i'm too widely townread to get lynched, and avoiding me and then just NK'ing me is preferable to being in my way

i'm gonna have to go over this game again sadly. let's not lynch wave just yet. I'm fine ending day with his lynch.

i'm going to have to try really hard to get through to thor and make dialogue with some other ppl in this game *sigh*

this game is a real headache

UNVOTE: wavemode

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I think I might actually make a wallpost soon.

Thor I'm going to try leave you alone and give you room to Thor because a quick skim is making me wonder if I've been unreasonable. I have universal TR status so I need to be the bridge between players atm, and nobody has any excuse to not support this, because everyone TR's me.

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I'm going to read and give commentary on every slot, and maybe we can get something out of this horrid gamestate

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just keep making your thoughts please, it's gonna take me a while to get this all together

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ugh i'm procrastinating because i know this will be a huge task but i know it has to be done today and by me because of how this game has gone

scum if you exist i will actually end you no matter who you are

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Vote Count 2.03

wavemode

(3): rb, MarioManiac4, Eddie Cane

Dunkerdoodles

(2): Thor665, NotTheRealPaul

Thor665

(1): frog

MarioManiac4

(1): wavemode

skitter30

(1): Dunkerdoodles

Not Voting

(3): UnaBombaH, skitter30, Flavor Leaf

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2017-08-16 16:00:00)

Mod Notes:

first 5 will be the 5 people currently being voted

wavemode, dunker, thor, mario, skitter in that order

i'm resetting every single player to null in my mind (as best as humanly possible, i want to be unbiased) and will post thoughts from each ISO/key interactions.

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holy fuck i'm still on wavemode and this is LONG AS FUCK

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SUBJECT 1: WAVEMODE

wavemode's entrance is fairly ballsy (initially I townread that), but also a bit caustic and not really in sync with the tone of the rest of the game. I actually dislike it on re-read compared to what I first thought, because it actually looks really, really awkward like scum is trying to engage in banter/jabs but not quite hitting the mark. Posts that I don't like:

73 and the follow-up in 77 and 82

It bothers me that it took him hours to follow-up his reasons for a naked vote, when the game was basically in RVS. The game was kind of slow-paced here but I expect a town player would try and then inject some of their very-early thoughts into the game and keep it moving along. Instead the naked vote just looks like, "weak player detected, let's jump on it". 80 makes me think this is the case also.

175 is a really big red flag. Why would having similar reads in the early game make two players town together, let alone when you're scumreading Ausuka so strongly? Wouldn't it be more likely to think Ausuka and myself were _scum_ together since he scumreads Ausuka? But he doesn't even remotely go with this possibility and takes no notice of me (notice that at this point, I've had wavemode on townread also, and he doesn't ever think to question it but simply goes along with it).

211 is just bad. Picking a scumteam ~200 posts into the game? It just says that if wavemode is town, he's pushing way too far into potential associative tells. At no point prior to this can I find where he's expressed that he thinks Sunlit + Thor are scum by the way. What I'm taking note of here though, is how wavemode seems to be almost trying to copy my tone tit-for-tat. I make bold statements and push a scumteam theory, and he immediately does it right after - given that I gave him a townread upon his entrance, it looks like he's actually imitating me (consciously or unconsciously) and picking up on my tone/attitude in some way. Not sure what this means really, but an interesting thought nonetheless.

238 I kind of wonder what wavemode was seeing that was so useful at this point - I'd like him to expand on that.

296 is an interesting focus on scum perspective here. It strikes me as really odd that his thoughts automatically drift to the scumchat and how the game is shaping up from the perspective of the scum. This is in conjunction with his post 80 where he also brings it up. I honestly can't recall where I've seen town act like this at such an early point in the game, it's just weird as fuck and I think it's scummy.

296 and 314 don't logically track with me either, and Thor's questioning is warranted. The fact that wavemode is opportunistic on one wagon and not another is interesting, especially when his reasons for townreading Flavor Leaf are pretty average at best, and he's also contested how people could townread Ausuka. It might be reading too far into things too, but I find it pretty bad that SD did end up flipping town after this - but that still begs the question of why SD was killed, we'll have to get to that.

402 and 403 kinda leave a bad taste in my mouth, because it's like he's being serious that activity is NAI but then 403 is almost mockery of that idea? It almost reads as a defence of PerfectFifth/ThinkBig, and one that strikes me as odd. Does he not agree that it's bad for someone to be that inactive? Why? It's like wavemode here is actually trying to imply it's a good thing? I didn't actually make any judgement beyond "this is bad" but he seems oddly touchy over it.

414 is pretty good, I don't see all that much issue with it. Giving credit where it's due.

493 is aggressive and feels town. Could be that wavemode just has awkward RVS game. One problem though - he plays like newbscum but when Ausuka becomes MarioManiac (not a newb) he doesn't seem to re-evaluate at all. Not necessarily scummy, but definitely an issue in continuity. 497 is also good.

VOTE: 631 is 50/50, i don't really expect anyone to agree with it because people have trouble believing non-intuitive things even if they're objectively correct 633 feels downhill. i still don't really understand wavemode's point about shrinking my pool to two people and the way he doubles down on it later on in just feels even worse in 641. it doesn't logically track that he would agree with a Thor push, as well as have him in his scum-pool but then suddenly latch onto this and think it's not a good push (didn't he just have him in top3 scumreads?). I can't really explain it either since it really, really looks like wavemode's exact lynchpool in 643 is...2 people? SD + Ausuka? Someone correct me if I've read this wrong but that's really what it looks like here, so it feels even WORSE on re-read.

1185 pings me pretty badly - like he's so elated by the way Mulch is pushing on MM4. It actually feels to me like it comes from a scum perspective delighted that a town player is doing their work for them.
1189 is like the decline of wavemode personified.
1256 it seems like he pretty much just townreads whoever has reads that agree with his - and at no point prior to this does he even interact with Ciara _AT ALL_ - but suddenly he is "pretty sure Ciara was town" when Mulch starts pushing on a read he agrees with. Feels awfully like confbias or just outright scum.

1314 again just seems so bad. It reads to me as pretty obstructionist and unnecessarily defensive over a slot that he's out of nowhere decided is town (for reasons that can't be found, and no interactions between wavemode+Ciara exist that I can see that would indicate wave townreads them strongly)

1377 is just ridiculous. fake dayvig is like the biggest running gag ever on this forum. I find it almost hard to believe someone could last 2 months here and not see it happen once. Still, maybe he's literally never seen it - but he seems to know what a 'desperado' is and also *grabs popcorn* immediately? If he has no idea or thinks it might be real - then wouldn't he like, comment on it? Whenever I see a fake dayvig and there's someone who falls for it in some way, there's SHITLOADS of confusion, but wavemode simply presents detached amusement, and yet is surprised that MM4 doesn't take it seriously and thinks it's scummy that he

didn't claim

. I actually find this post to be almost fucking impossible to believe as coming from town!wavemode.

1404 again feels like either Thor is a buddy OR he's pocketing Thor. Early game I'm not someone anyone ever fucks with, and Eddie presented with the same swagger right out of the gate. So it makes his early-game Thor scumread feel very appeasing, but when he sees a chink in the armour he suddenly distances from that read and takes potshots at Eddie's credibility. Again - doesn't wavemode themselves have a read on Thor? Or is his entire reading of people just based on

what other people say?

because it really seems like the bolded, based on how many times wavemode will say, "that case isn't right so i disagree with your read" - it's like he has no agenda beyond pushing his own reads and whether or not he agrees with a read is pretty much just based on whether or not the read matches

his own

agenda, without really trying to read the slot in question himself and seeing if he agrees - as most town players will do.

[/post]1734 is literally awful and reads like a literal fucking scumclaim, even on re-read[/post]

~FIN~

Discuss.

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Be aware that you can just open wavemode's ISO in one window, then have my post on the side or something - and go to each post number in his ISO easily, while reading along with my commentary. Or you can try play follow-the-links if you want. First way is easier.

I didn't quote-wall because it clutters the fuck out of things.

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I gotta go to the d0gt0r for a bit, will be back later.

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whether or not he agrees with a read is pretty much just based on whether or not the read matches his own agenda, without really trying to read the slot in question himself and seeing if he agrees - as most town players will do.

If you see this as his agenda, how do you explain the scum benefit for him changing his reads - an issue you complained about multiple times?
It seems like either one or the other woud be his plan, not both.

His read-changing lines up with basically however he thinks the person casing is received by town, fmPOV. Doesn't really seem to line up at all with a thought process or like, comparing it to how he sees the slot. It's just "well that case looks bad so I think that person is town"

Maybe his views go deeper than what's expressed, but rather than disagreeing with someone because he reads the slot differently, it's like he just has no read on the slot at all and instead just interacts with whether he thinks the case itself is presented strongly or not...which is usually not how I see town playing - they usually talk about differences in reads and that's where the conflict arises, whereas conflict arises with wavemode not when reads are different but when he perceives their presentation is poor.

Which looks very much like scum to me.

Not sure if I'm getting your point but not gonna lie the fact that you zero in on literally _ONE LINE_ of that entire post and focus on some tiny-teeny aspect of it is SOOOOO triggering. What's your read on wavemode, do you think he's scum or town? Why for either?

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It fits with his agenda of trying to APPEAR town and doesn't seem to fit the agenda of actually BEING town I.E. it's based mostly just on his appearances/minor gripes and not to do with an actual disconnect between things...

BASICALLY THE SAME THING YOU'RE DOING RIGHT NOW FFS

You aren't even expressing any kind of read on wavemode, but picking at these tiny cracks that just...don't fucking mean anything? If you're town I seriously hope you never, ever fucking join a game with me again because pulling actual gamesolving from you is like squeezing blood from a stone.

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AIOFJ I)R!@#RI OOP@#IR (@+)R I@#R WEOIKF @O#PFJK #WF KWELF E

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I'm fine with a Thor lynch at any time. I can scarcely believe this is a town player.

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And I tried, I tried so hard.

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can you just gimme ur reads on the entire game Thor

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thor i really feel like you're just that guy who can't read between lines whatsoever and if something isn't really explicitly broken down it's like you'll obsess over some tiny detail for 27 years while everyone around you sighs and has aneurysms

don't take that the wrong way (if that's even possible) i'm just trying to express how exasperating it is to try and talk to you

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ok i just wanna play a game:

everyone states their read on wavemode in their next post - scum or town.

gun to your head, no reasoning, just scum/town. then we do that for the next biggest wagon ,and so on

#FUNWITHRB

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I think Thor really is just scum lol

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*eye-twitch*

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why

are

scum

apparently

more

aggressive

when

pushed

on

that's

a

fucking

town

trait

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if you're town i don't wanna live anymore

if both wavemode and thor are town we're actually fkn doomed

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skitter is town

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in fact it's not even so much a town trait as a personality trait, but _GENERALLY_ speaking it's a town trait and only a scum trait for certain specific people, but usually it's not

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VOTE: wavemode

i'm kind of at an impasse here because i have no one useful to work with

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VOTE: frog

actually i'm gonna go with this

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in the meantime:

eddie why is paul town

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paul doesn't seem scum to me on re-read at all

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to wavemode whose scumreads are just people who he thinks are 'aggressive' in response to stuff, apart from you

gl ever finding scum consistently with that attitude

or better yet, his reasons are shit because he's scum

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at this point i'm fine with losing to MM4 being scum and being wrong about other slots because if MM4 is scum everyone else should be embarrassed

that is all

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where do you state a townread on ciara ever

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in 1046 you even imply ciara wasn't useful - but mysteriously they were a 'pretty strong' townread after Mulch replaced in.

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VOTE: wavemode

i'm kind of at an impasse here because i have no one useful to work with

:(

well ur forgoing making reads and giving reasons for stupid wifom which i think is town but at this point really, really, really, really, really, not useful at all

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okay i'm just gonna say paul is town

because despite my near universal townread status, apparently hardly anyone else is actually gonna work with me. dats c00l

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Town doesn't mean useful.

fucking amazing defense bro

"don't lynch me i'm aware that i'm useless but that doesn't mean i'm scum!!!!!"

can you just be human and not like a badly scripted NPC

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wave please understand i have literally halted your wagon and am giving you more time to live because i can see a world where my reads are completely wrong, but you have to actually start doing the things

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by the things i mean the town things

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My comment was in response to:

in 1046 you even imply ciara wasn't useful - but mysteriously they were a 'pretty strong' townread after Mulch replaced in.

but still nowhere in any world do you express any kind of sentiment that indicates you have any kind of townread on ciara

anywhere

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can you just gimme ur reads on the entire game Thor

Town Pool
rb
Eddie Cane (skinniest hold on this position of any of them)
skitter30
UnaBombaH
wavemode
MarioManiac4

Scum Pool
Dunkerdoodles
Flavor Leaf

Meh Pool
frog
NotTheRealPaul

This is basically just an activity list

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so if you're town (let's just assume you are)

why does it take THIS MUCH EFFORT just to get that out of you?

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would you have killed me last night rb?

i probably kill flavor leaf for information denial tbh because there's no one in this game that would be hard for me to lynch or defend myself from. or i look for a PR but i haven't done that at all this game since i'm town

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well they're not but anyway

wavemode, which people do you consider absolutely awful lynches that we should never make today?

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don't defend me, i don't care about people's reads on me because i'm literally never getting lynched

which means i'm very likely getting NK'd, so i want today to actually work in favour of town.

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Thought: someone's very very wrong on MM4, either some other people are, or I am.

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i think scum have low-investment in the game at this point because the state of the game is benefitting them.

i'd love to see some town players take steps to actually change this. we need to resolve on a few slots:

MM4 - we can't ignore this anymore. Too many people either hard TR or hard SR this slot, it's making the game impossible.

Thor - same problem

Paul - same problem

Wave - same problem

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Wavemode, who's your preferred lynch out of these 4

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it could just be nauseating town but when someone says "see i was right and you were wrong about blabla" it's generally just a fkn scum player

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as if because a player is wrong about one read, all their reads are wrong. i've literally never seen that. few people are so bad that every read they have is wrong (although i think i'm getting close to that in this game)

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skitter is town

this ur only read i think is wrong but because replace out cant really push

i actually agree with wavemode on it though, so i'm gonna start from there

Wave: 3 people who you're not willing to vote at all today

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wave has been
someone else has you on their shitlist afaik

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it's not important, you're probably the least important slot in that list.

i've re-read ausuka and i've re-read mario and i still can't see them as scum. if they're scum i'm just abominably shit at this game

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fuck it

too many of my townreads are townreading thor, so i'm just gonna go with it

thor, welcome 2 the townblock

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this debate is completely unproductive at this point just btw, i don't think either of you are learning anything

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Okay, i'm gonna reach a compromise and lynch someone agreed upon by:

Eddie, Thor, Skitterslot, Paul, Unabombah, myself

the 6 of us will speak and determine who is a good lynch.

I highly doubt there's 3 scum in here, maybe 2 if i'm just super shit at this game but more likely 0-1 imo

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i'm honestly fine with anyone out of these slots at this point

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Paul townblocks are fine if you have strong TR's, and people aren't foreverinside the townblock. It changes. But at this point I don't think anyone in this game is agreeing upon stuff which means:

- some people are wrong or scum
- scum are very likely dividing their opinions and not working together all cooperatively, which means up to now they've been distancing or ignoring each other and are probably deliberately deciding to be this way via daytalk. this gamestate is not a 'natural' one that just occurs from a bunch of people trying to solve the game and hitting a roadblock

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just answer paul, so we can move on

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eddie don't challenge me my sanity is on the brink already and i'm not above lynching you just to prove i can!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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@eddie i just reread skitter and i think she's town

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Can i see town skitters

2-3 games preferably

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VOTE: wavemode

alright

this extra time isn't even making the game better or helping solve stuff, so i'm moving this along

Wave today, thor tomorrow

meh if the meta is one game im not interested tbh. my games have lots of differences from one to the other too so, meh

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wat did i just read

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oh gud

im town

every1 else is scum this is a conspiracy to make me have aneurysm

jokes aside pls save me and if ur scum congrats on ez win

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UNVOTE:

pls be town GR

pls be town

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VOTE: thor

thor you townread me but all you do when you post is do more and more to point out things you disagree with

And nothing to push your scumreads

if you do flip town well fuck

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So you're town and think we're lynching town and not your top scumread, and all you do is ask, "oh hey man whats ur thoughts?"

i think hes sheeping, hes null or just nullscum.

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I will sheep rb unless anyone gives me a strong reason not to! \o/

i wanna sheep u instead

:D

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rb, will you consider an Eddie lynch? If not, why not?

No

If he's scum we lose anyway

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VOTE: Eddie Cane

But this would be FUN

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spicy

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2hitcombo

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Eddie pocketing and making wifom talks nonstop has been pinging me, but I haven't had the confidence to rly push it. Frog has seen it, Una has seen it and someone else also saw it (forget who).

It's becoming a possibility and getting 2 chainsaw votes as soon as I vote Eddie is interesting too

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Mario: thoughts on Eddie

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observe my powers

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Wait what I was memeing do I have to take this game seriously

Not a fan

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I'm aware that effort is mostly NAI but help a brother out.

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at this point i literally am willing to vote from like 8 players so, bad question

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I won't vote Una, MM4 or myself

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I'll hammer any other wagon that gets to L-1

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there's 3 scum

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Intent to hammer anything that gets to L-1 that isn't me/una/mario

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@FL pretty sure you're like the least active in the game, so people not being here on like a Saturday-Sunday when you're basically gone for an entire week is...actually to do with you and not the other players?

But hey you turn up and start a vanity wagon, that's cool

Still willing to hammer any of those wagons

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Thor are you:

1. godlike level frustrated by this game and therefore derping all over the place
2. scum

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It's that thor's annoyance extends way beyond what makes sense. He has dunkers as his only scumread but is apparently too annoyed to entertain a world where Dunkers is town, "yeah I'll look at the wagon when we get to it"

There's 3 scum, some kind of doubt is reasonable and it's a red flag to me that not only does Thor have only 1 scumread, he's really not trying to cooperate.

You can blame someone else but Eddie and I have both gone to lengths to engage him and he just acts like it should all be self-evident. His pushes are weak, he makes a few points on Dunker then drops it, stating over and over "I've made my points, what else should I do?"

As if it means nothing to him to look into who else might be scum, try to work with his townreads etc. He just nitpicks at the stupidest shit constantly then gets annoyed when people ask him to do stuff with more impact, or says, "I've already said it"

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At this point I think Thor is just putting it on because yea, he has zero reason to be pissed off at frog

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@Unah I've tried to make a dialogue with Thor a number of times this day phase tbh and he returns to the same shit

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VOTE: Thor

I want this slot dead now. I don't see this as town

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I've literally thrown all my effort into trying to townread thor, but I don't

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Thor I still don't get how you view taking them out of context and then nitpicking on the out of context logic as useful if you're town

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It's not even playstyle, if you're town you're just a joke lol

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I've stepped away from the game numerous times to give you space to do stuff and literally all you do is return to taking trivial points out of context and floundering pointlessly

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See thor, it's like you KNOW i'm town.

For the life of me I can't figure out why you still think this is a personal vendetta and not to do with your actual play here

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I literally fucking tried to townblock you just so you might cooperate and even then your only response was to tell me how wrong I am about some super trivial point in a huge post I made. Like wtf is your thought process there.

You want people to sheep you apparently, and I literally threw you a bone to let you have more sway and you just forgo it for continuing to be obstructionist

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So Thor let's get this straight - you ask these super nitpicky questions to obtain motive? Yes?

So why do you nitpick with the people who you have townreads on and not the people in your null area? If the first part is true, wouldn't you be 'ascertaining motive' from the people whose motives you're less sure of?

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No I want Thor

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This is a Thor town ISO

viewtopic.php?t=68700&f=84&st=0&sk=t&sd ... er_sort=Go

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I'm gonna read a bunch of Thor games (rip me) and decide

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This is a Thor scum ISO:

viewtopic.php?t=68685&f=53&st=0&sk=t&sd ... er_sort=Go

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Already the similarities between this game and that scum ISO are noticeable.

And the differences between the town ISO and here as well. More coming.

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Yes but you're someone who admits you have bad reads.

I fucking HATE meta, but it can be used correctly. This is a point where it matters because there's no in-game way of resolving this and I very much feel Thor is scum, and so far it matches.

His town ISO was free-flowing, loose and powerful. He had a presence.

His scum ISO is like here: an endless barrage of clarifying statements, anyone who questions him gets questions to their questions and he calls them insane/ridiculous etc.

It's not that this game resembles his scum meta, but that it's also SO different from his town meta.

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Getting more ISOs

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Town ISO: the tone is different to here. Thor generally asks lots of questions, but it's also riddled with conclusions that progress over time. In this ISO, he really just gets to the point of shit. Feels way different to here


viewtopic.php?t=68482&f=53&st=0&sk=t&sd ... er_sort=Go

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Town ISO #3 and the last one

viewtopic.php?t=63235&f=53&st=0&sk=t&sd ... er_sort=Go

Seriously, this isn't town Thor this game

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But, I'll re-ISO him here to check anyway

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[instagram][/instagram]Eh, Thor could be town

This ISO is like the weirdest mishmash of his town and scum isos from past games.

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As always, more information makes things worse and not better

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Read Thor if you want, I'm obvtown

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sigh

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ROFL @frog

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MM4 is slipping from TR status atm

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You should already be doing that regardless of Vedith

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It's like since i townread you, your play got worse not better

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Gonna go make breakfast

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frog, why is MM4 off table for you?

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UNVOTE: Thor

Okay.

I have to say that I don't know what to make of Thor, but I'm gonna work with him.

THOR. You want Dunker or FL. Who will you compromise on though?

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Every person in their next post, needs to state who they have absolutely off the table and will not lynch

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Paul: why is MM4 off table for you?

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Also this is by far feeling like the worst game I've ever played as town, so yeah Thor if you're town I do think you've played terrible but so have I. I'm legit sorry to the entire town right now because no matter what I do in this game I feel totally lost, which is not at all what I'm used to.

Sigh.

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seems like a good enough combination of reasons to me

unless it's just the entire fucking scumteam sheeping me and my reads, i think MM4 is most likely town

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Why not frog?

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there's like barely anything in your iso about frog, and you don't even interact with him

there's just one statement where you say you think frog is town

so again: why not frog?

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maybe just explain it

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the predecessor was a chronic lurker as either alignment, so what is it about frog's play that makes him off the table to you.

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lolno

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yes

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im universally townread as scum but somehow afraid of lynching people

rip me

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who'd you read?