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[MarioManiac4]

hi i am ausuka
ausuka was a failed experiment in which i
a) tried to post less and edited my posts heavily to achieve this
b) tried to use logic and disregard my tonereads because i wanted to play more logically/in a way that could be explained

this didn't work so well which i guess is kinda obvious in hindsight

this game probably deserves better so from now on i am acting normally

posts incoming

[MarioManiac4]

ok so point #1 this will be about scumlit diamond

549 isn't actually a genuine evaluation of the gamestate
like if you look at the ausuka section, you should notice that it comes from a point of view of "i want to scumread and vote ausuka." most of the points she makes are a huge stretch, and she generally makes WAY too many of them for it to be a genuine thought process. what she's trying to do is get an excuse to vote ausuka.

first of all my vote on perfect fifth was not a sheep vote and i did not attack dunkers for sheeping it was more complicated than that although to be fair i doubt it was a particularly good read in any way

i don't even think my post was that fake although it was certainly pretty heavily edited at that point. like, that's pretty much just a post based on playstyle. all it is is me not posting my emotion. i could potentially see town saying this though so whatever.

her comment on post 184 is where it starts getting legitimately scummy. she's legitimately trying to post every single one of my non-rvs posts as scummy and this is where it begins to show. like, i already said i scumread flavour; how is it scummy in any way to then jump on this wagon? how is it any more scummy than any other comment? how does it not apply to her vote?

this is further shown by her saying she's "not feeling the excuses."
like, why even post that? if you disagree with them, explain why???? it just feels like a completely empty attempt to frame literally every post i make as scum in order to jump on the wagon. it's not actual thought progression.

so yes sunlit diamond is scumlit diamond i approve of this wagon

VOTE: Sunlit Diamond

my earlier townreads were pretty weak tbh i usually solely use tone as a reason for townreads i was trying to avoid that here which didn't work so well

also if you scumread me you should totally explain why so that we can actually gain information from things and develop our reads better later on
i remember someone saying they townread wavemode and so they scumread me i don't actually remember who but that was pretty disgusting

[MarioManiac4]

for my second magic trick i will reread this game's isos now that i am viewing the game normally and produce some reads
they will be similar to my reads as ausuka though because i'm still the same person

[MarioManiac4]

unabombah: i don't see scum posting what he is posting, period.

skitter: feels genuine enough that this is like the only gutread i let myself do as ausuka

paul: tbh i feel like this is town i don't have much logic to back that up but it's just like the feeling i get when i read his iso (i didn't say this as ausuka because this is like exactly the sort of thing i tried to avoid lol) i don't think passiveness is really scumindicative for this guy based on *experience* although him putting me in his lynchpool makes me sad

rb: i don't mind his recent stuff looking over it again but there's definitely a world in which this is scum!rb and he is probably more than capable of faking what he is saying so although this is above null i will keep a watchful eye out for this slot

thor: i feel kinda bad for this but i'm going to locktown him for now just because he's the only one who bothered to analyse what wavemode was saying instead of just nodding their head.

eddie cane: i have no clue what the fuck this guy is doing i'll try to sort him later

dunkerdoodles: it's page 30 and i don't need to reach to get reads anymore so yes this is null but the slot needs to town itself eventually

thinkbig: please do things soon

wavemode: literally all of his content is based upon getting me lynched. i'm open to the possibility that he is just incredibly confbiased town who wants my head on a platter but like. that's really weird. i would ask him to give opinions on other players but he's just going to ignore anything i say at this point no matter what alignment he is so

flavour leaf: 496 is horrible and i dislike it greatly. i said i was an alt repeatedly so trying to frame me as newbscum without wavemode!confbias feels kinda sketchy although that isn't that scummy- what is more scummy is that he says "I actually like Wavemode...so because of that I actually don't like Ausuka very much." which is like the laziest attitude ever and makes no sense.

ciara24: i have no idea why you have the reads you do and your reads + general productivity and scumhunting/gamesolving have been uhhhh very questionable so you can be scum for now

scumlit: have already commented on why this is a scumfuck (which is the only confident scumread i actually have at this point) i also think "Why isn't Dunk getting more/consistent attention? If I'm getting fried for lack of content, he should be on fire. At least I actually stood my ground and voted according to what I thought (even if I was wrong)...all he's done is sheep and spam?" is really gross. it just turns a perceived suspicion around, like "don't look at me, look at dunkers!" and it just feels really slimy in general. also "And from this point on you launch into full on angry defensiveness and your credibility drops with every post after." does NOT sound like someone who actually thinks i'm scum here.

[MarioManiac4]

I DIDNT ENCOURAGE A QUICKHAMMER THAT GAME

[MarioManiac4]

it's not about you refusing to give walls of reasoning

it's about you refusing to give reasoning

also eddie vs thor is like nowhere near as toxic as games commonly get and idk why you dont want to read it \o/

[MarioManiac4]

am leaning that way, yes

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ciara24: i have no idea why you have the reads you do and your reads + general productivity and scumhunting/gamesolving have been uhhhh very questionable so you can be scum for now

I'd rather you didn't think I was scum but I'll let it slide for now because my activity levels have been awful so I understand your reasoning

Is there something in my reads that doesn't sit right with you or is it just that i haven't made walls of explanation for them?

I also uhhhh really don't like this post.
It's almost like she thinks she has a right to not be scumread and it feels really fake to me.

[MarioManiac4]

As I've said before, SD and Ausuka's early game was spent throwing shade at people who were low-hanging fruit rather than actually trying to question people and understand their motives. And they were actively helping each other do it. In my mind there's no reason for two random town slots to be that buddied with each other.

Possibly

one town and one scum.

Their general tone was also gut-bad for me. They tried to make things people did seem worse than they really were. In many cases they might consider something to be "weird"... but their logical jump from that to it being actually scum-indicative was always lacking.

You're right that they've both since turned around but their recent simultaneous retractions of their arguments and push on each other is not making me feel any better about them. We could be seeing the power of daychat at work. And also, just in general I don't flip around my scumreads just because the person stopped doing what I called them out as scum for doing,

after

I call them out. I mean, of course they will do that, if they are trying to be townread.

Excuse me.

I did absolutely nothing to "actively help" Ausuka. I agreed with her on one point, which on later inspection I realized was not helpful to my agenda. Ausuka, did, however, actively townread me, which gave me more useless material...specifically because I *know* I wasn't pushing Ausuka to begin with, and felt like I needed more content to come into a vote on her.

When I actually did an ISO and read through her stuff, there was more than enough there for me to make an extremely forced case scumreading every single one of her posts.. I will ride that vote right through a lynch, because she is an easy mislynch and needs to go.

ftfy

[MarioManiac4]

ciara24: i have no idea why you have the reads you do and your reads + general productivity and scumhunting/gamesolving have been uhhhh very questionable so you can be scum for now

I'd rather you didn't think I was scum but I'll let it slide for now because my activity levels have been awful so I understand your reasoning

because I know my alignment and I'm pretty sure Ausaka/Mario is scum so I'll let it slide because scum have scumread town, duh

@ciara; what the fuck is this

[MarioManiac4]

i probably have thoughts on thor but i don't really feel like being called a piece of shit today so i will probably refrain from sharing them right now in favour of pushing my scumread(s)

[MarioManiac4]

fixed this for you

[MarioManiac4]

also i remember someone saying i hadn't really been logical as ausuka

>why I replaced out

[MarioManiac4]

who wants to lynch ciara?

[MarioManiac4]

this is a normal unabombah there is a town

[MarioManiac4]

oh yeah daytalk is a thing but
a) not everyone uses it
b) you can watch for people being coached
c) you can watch for people having a clear agenda, because they are told to do certain things in daychat (such as sunlit diamond trying to case me which is pretty fake as shown by her commenting "omg she jumped on a wagon" when i voted my scumread)

[MarioManiac4]

what do you see in her iso?

[MarioManiac4]

i mean yes that could potentially be a bussing vote
help me bus my buddy???????

[MarioManiac4]

MM4 the problem with her weirdness is that i don't see how it's 'scum' it's just weirdness

dont u reckon?

i feel like it's less being weird and more making things up as she goes along
i mean talking to me like i'm town and reasoning it with "oh uh i don't want to scumread me because you're scum" is pretty obviously making things up as she goes along to me \o/
and i don't actually see her trying to solve the game either?

[MarioManiac4]

i mean i think there's probably an agenda there in which she really wants to avoid being at the front of the action and being scumread but ok

[MarioManiac4]

as i should be

[MarioManiac4]

Ah, but couldn't that be PR-gameplan too?
.

[MarioManiac4]

i'm not going to go into detail on that because (don't out your PR suspicions ever) but i find it unlikely ciara is more likely than average to be a PR

[MarioManiac4]

btw that's actually a towntell although because i have told you this nobody gets towncred for pointing out prs and instead get scumcred

[MarioManiac4]

strongly disagree
i rarely see prs doing that in reality only in theory

[MarioManiac4]

unabombah who is scum and why aren't you trying to lynch them

[MarioManiac4]

why?

[MarioManiac4]

Ok so there's like no way both rb and thor are town unless it's scum theatre in which case we caught 2 scum.
VOTE: thor

good post.

But I thought the two of us were scum doing the scum theatre?
My bad, I must have messed this up due to my abstinence. I'll work harder next time.

why would you do this

[MarioManiac4]

he's restarting shit for what seems to be like absolutely no reason
like
it's dead and that is overwhelmingly a good thing
why would you try to re-enter it????

[MarioManiac4]

the correct way to do that would have been to respond to dunkerdoodles
your sarcastic tone makes it feel like you want to start up eddie vs thor again which will just be more of the same and deny alignment indicative content

[MarioManiac4]

well obviously the equality thing wouldn't have worked for that
but if you really wanted to respond to eddie saying "good post" there you could've like just said "how does that apply more to me"
it just feels like you want to restart something that has outlived any usefulness it may have once had

[MarioManiac4]

mulch pls

[MarioManiac4]

@fl; okay so you scumread me for attacking a townlean

that's basically the same thing and still bad
and doesn't make my read fabricated at all

[MarioManiac4]

Nothing I say or do is scummy. Do better.

I think Perfect is a better lynch because, although both are kind of awkward, Unabombah's awkwardness feels personality-based and Perfect's doesn't.

I like this, a lot.


but less so cause i know it's mario

why does this change anything

[MarioManiac4]

Well, no, I didn't have a "top one." I had a top three. I was thinking of voting Flavour Leaf, because he was the one with the biggest wagon, but I ended up forgetting to do that, and corrected it in a later post.

The current wagon speed isn't AI for me.
@NTRP; Do you think scum would have had time to effectively build a counterwagon? If the answer is yes; who is scum on the wagon who opts to be on it instead of counterwagoning?

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Why is this a thought?

i wanted to see if ntrp was actually thinking about the wagon in depth or if he was throwing out a surface-level statement

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Thor, that's not accurate. I don't automatically read people as town; I townread Skitter from her early content, and she hasn't done anything to make me doubt my townread of her, which means I don't have to analyse her as closely (there is only evidence on one side of the argument). I'm somewhat lost as to what alignment rb could be, so I've considered that more.

Scum

This is not a towny mindset.

yes it is

[MarioManiac4]

Guess what?
Wavemode's case on me is entirely composed of bullcrap.

The first laughable assumption he made was that voting someone without giving your reasons is sheeping. By that logic, most of wavemode's content in the game has been sheeping. I gave my reasoning. PF's tone felt scummy and awkward at the time. And no, strictly game-related content isn't needed to judge someone's alignment, as long as they have a Role PM.
I wasn't "dismissive." I explained my concerns. Being dismissive would be saying "I don't really care about your meta." which isn't scummy in itself actually. What I did was literally disagree with a point that was made. Is that supposed to be scummy?
I like how wavemode is arguing that I have a fixation on someone on Post 90. It's amusingly wrong in ways that I shouldn't have to explain.
If you're going to scumread people for voting for weak reasons, wait until there's a weak vote outside of RVS.

Literally every one of wavemode's "points" is gasping at straws to try and make his earlier scumread seem valid without re-evaluating. I'm 100% happy with my vote.

THIS CANT BE MARIO LMFAO

actually hydras are banned in normal games so it's confirmed to be me

[MarioManiac4]

No, I've got Flamethrower and I'm going to destroy your scumteam with it.

HORRIBLE

Idk I kinda liked it.

[MarioManiac4]

uhhhh okay. so i've requested that this account be replaced with my main because yeah i'm not able to play with this playstyle and all it really ends up doing is making the game worse.
i'll probably reconsider the game now that i'm not making myself approach it as logically as possible. SD looks like scum right now.

the explanations she gives are stretchy and overcomplicated

. i suppose i'll reply to it later. also now i don't have to switch accounts every time i post so i'll probably be more active

This WOULD be a good point, but it's not

yes it is

[MarioManiac4]

MM4 the problem with her weirdness is that i don't see how it's 'scum' it's just weirdness

dont u reckon?

i feel like it's less being weird and more making things up as she goes along
i mean talking to me like i'm town and reasoning it with "oh uh i don't want to scumread me because you're scum" is pretty obviously making things up as she goes along to me \o/
and i don't actually see her trying to solve the game either?

Bad

actually it's good and you should selfvote

[MarioManiac4]

i'm not going to go into detail on that because (don't out your PR suspicions ever) but i find it unlikely ciara is more likely than average to be a PR

btw that's actually a towntell although because i have told you this nobody gets towncred for pointing out prs and instead get scumcred

strongly disagree
i rarely see prs doing that in reality only in theory

unabombah who is scum and why aren't you trying to lynch them

Medium

what the fuck was actually the point of this post and why did you make it

[MarioManiac4]

Thor, that's not accurate. I don't automatically read people as town; I townread Skitter from her early content, and she hasn't done anything to make me doubt my townread of her, which means I don't have to analyse her as closely (there is only evidence on one side of the argument). I'm somewhat lost as to what alignment rb could be, so I've considered that more.

Scum

This is not a towny mindset.

yes it is

No it isn't, your saying that someone is townread and mechanically they haven't done anything to "lose" it when in practice it's much more free flowing.

NOt overly damning though

no i'm saying that the evidence is completely one-sided

[MarioManiac4]

uhhhh okay. so i've requested that this account be replaced with my main because yeah i'm not able to play with this playstyle and all it really ends up doing is making the game worse.
i'll probably reconsider the game now that i'm not making myself approach it as logically as possible. SD looks like scum right now.

the explanations she gives are stretchy and overcomplicated

. i suppose i'll reply to it later. also now i don't have to switch accounts every time i post so i'll probably be more active

This WOULD be a good point, but it's not

yes it is

But it's wrong

no, it's correct

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"184 Oh hey there's a handy wagon. Ausuka just jumped on it, amazing!
188 and 198 Not really feeling these excuses."
for example.

basically she's just saying "oh my god, there's a wagon and ausuka went on it, she must be scum!"
much simpler explanation is that i just wanted to join the wagon of a player i had previously and currently suspected (i.e what happened)
she's stretching and over-complicating the point to fit her narrative
and then when i explained that i was going to vote my scumread who had a wagon but forgot to she dismisses it as an excuse?

she's pretty clearly just reaching for points she can make here

[MarioManiac4]

oui

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548

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it is but that's harder to explain than my point so i didn't bother making it

[MarioManiac4]

This gutreads me that you and him are scum partners

this is incredibly reachy

[MarioManiac4]

This gutreads me that you and him are scum partners

this is incredibly reachy

No it isn't, it's a gutread. Gutreads aren't reachy, they come from inside your soul.

or from inside your shit

[MarioManiac4]

to clarify that is like the weirdest gutread i have ever seen
it makes pretty much no sense
(also the use of "soul" here is incredibly theatrical)
am considering mulchscum

[MarioManiac4]

This gutreads me that you and him are scum partners

this is incredibly reachy

No it isn't, it's a gutread. Gutreads aren't reachy, they come from inside your soul.

or from inside your shit

No, gutreads are SUPPOSED to be reachy by nature. They don't make sense. They are that sense in you that goes "fuck, that man is scum"

i fundamentally do not understand that as a gutread
you're going "hey this gal just said "sad to see you go" must be scum #progutreadz"
it's like your dragging up random crap to support your skitter read

[MarioManiac4]

mulch are you scum this game
its ok if you are im not a judgemental person

[MarioManiac4]

mulch are you scum this game
its ok if you are im not a judgemental person

If you vote me I'm vote parking on you for the rest of the day

Bullshit. Stop with these theatricals. You're playing Mafia, not acting in a play.
VOTE: Mulch

[MarioManiac4]

Gutreads aren't logical. That is what a gutread is. Gutreads don't have anything to back it up. That's why it is a gutread.

Yes, and I'm saying this gutread is sufficiently bad that it's scummy.

[MarioManiac4]

I decided that I'm not voting you.

What a surprise

[MarioManiac4]

The way Skitter said it triggered me into thinking they could be partners, then the response made me think Skitter could be scum NOT with partners who is getting unchracteristically angry because I am finally wrong about something. They were very soft in tone when responding to me when I accused them, but as soon as I accuse them AND thinkbig they get very angry, as if they know I am wrong about that.

skitter isn't angry. she's saying your position makes no sense. and i'm 100% with her on that.

[MarioManiac4]

The way Skitter said it triggered me into thinking they could be partners, then the response made me think Skitter could be scum NOT with partners who is getting unchracteristically angry because I am finally wrong about something. They were very soft in tone when responding to me when I accused them, but as soon as I accuse them AND thinkbig they get very angry, as if they know I am wrong about that.

skitter isn't angry. she's saying your position makes no sense. and i'm 100% with her on that.

1) Gutreads don't make sense


2) The tone is angrier

gutreads do make sense. there is something to trigger them. you can't make up blatant bullshit and say "it was a gutread" because there's literally nothing to ping anything there and I will call you out for it.

the tone isn't really angry. even if it is, there are variables other than you accusing her of being scumbuddies in that argument.

[MarioManiac4]

Keep spewing bullshit Mario and I will vote you because I Know you are better than this.


Are you trying to save Thor right now? It's crossing my mind.

Gutreads DONT make sense. They come from your fucking gut. Say they don't make sense one more time and I will keep my vote on your buddy for the rest of the game. How does that sound?

They do make sense. Of course they do. You just don't know what triggers your gut.
Oh, so first you threaten with deathtunneling me and never removing your vote

OMG

and now you're threatening with "I WILL VOTE YOUR HYPOTHETICAL PARTNER" and the "i will vote you!" again.
i didn't fall for that last time, why do you think i'll fall for it this time?
you talk big. but your talking is just manipulative.

And who the fuck cares if there are other variables?

Those variables could have caused the difference, not the one you are talking about. You're painting your theory as the only possibility when that's really not the case.

[MarioManiac4]

you say things. you act. but the reality is nothing like you're playing it up to be.

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Not strictly logical. You aren't able to express it. But there is still a feeling. There is a reason. You don't know the reason, but there is a reason.
I don't see the reason your gut would tingle. I see nothing in Skitter's post that would do that. I see you using "gut" to reinforce your agenda and then trying to scare me off by saying "i will deathtunnel you and never remove my vote" and then

surprise surprise

suddenly deciding it's not the right move.

[MarioManiac4]

Im with mulch here. Ur reading too much into his gutread and I think thats just bcu of his pisting style/personality where he says things anf his tone seems to imply there is no alternative. It was a gutread, I dont think mulch is trying to say its the only possibility.

he is saying that variables don't matter. he is pushing that as the possibility. he doesn't strictly say it makes skitter scum, i believe, but he's being clear about dismissing the variables.
you're not reading enough into the "gutread". Everything scum does has a motive. You need to dig in and find that motive.

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Not strictly logical. You aren't able to express it. But there is still a feeling. There is a reason. You don't know the reason, but there is a reason.
I don't see the reason your gut would tingle. I see nothing in Skitter's post that would do that. I see you using "gut" to reinforce your agenda and then trying to scare me off by saying "i will deathtunnel you and never remove my vote" and then

surprise surprise

suddenly deciding it's not the right move.

Ur wrong and possibly scum

[MarioManiac4]

Gutreads are fakeable but, this one is not, fake

but i think it is

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well there is something in it that is scummy in that scenario

you just don't know what it is
skitter's post was pretty objectively NAI

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what was the purpose of that post

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all you're saying is "yap yap mm4 scum yap yap"
stop doing that and start doing actual things

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So Unabombah the plan is for you to hop onto the Mulch mislynch and then mislynch Sunlit afterwards for two freebies, correct?

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I don't really know how good you are at lynching people. But you wouldn't be alone on Sunlit.
I don't really like setting people up for townflips. Counter-wagons are largely a myth; there is not always 1 town wagon and 1 scum wagon on D1. I want to know your reads specifically if I'm gonna be able to read you properly, although I think I still do townread you at this point. You and I both know there's enough content for you to work with.

pedit: Unabombah I'm always town.

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When you get here on Thursday I'd like less "one of these two is scum" and more "this person is scum." if possible.
As in, like, you think Mulch is a "reasonable lynch" but what I'd like to know is what you think it's flipping and why.

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I can make a fancy case when I get home if you actually need me to do that!

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Spoiler: why mulch is scum and you should vote for him

ok so first let me point out that gut feelings don't come from nothing. they come from the subconscious mind. there is reasoning, not necessarily logical reasoning, not using common sense, but there is reason to it. it is not a random procedure.
skitter's post was objectively NAI. therefore, mulch faking a gut scumread on that was fake. that's the original thing i suspected.

1337 was bullshit. all he did was try to scare me off. he made this statement, but 4 minutes later he "decided he's not voting me." What a surprise that he wouldn't actually go and do what he said he would, and it was just an acting trick, I never would have suspected

In 1152 he tries to scare me off again because he still doesn't want to be scumread and is willing to be manipulative and act to avoid people voting for him.

1153 is literally saying "who cares if there are other variables?" like, he doesn't care about what's actually happening. and he admits to this. what he cares about is twisting skitter's words to his agenda.

1302 is like really scummy. he's not saying "i'm not claiming yet" he's saying "i'm not claiming, lynch at your own risk." he's trying to scare people off again. the only viable reason to do this would be out of spite. (not good reason, but a reason nevertheless.) he's obviously not doing it out of spite, because he's giving reads with his death.

this probably shouldn't be part of the case but 1303 is wrong; i'm not shading unabombah but trying to find his motives.

@1304- yes and i'd do it again.

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@mod: Desperado Mario

very legitimate fakeclaim much wow

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no tbh i probably won't even remember it because it's such a common and forgettable """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""gambit""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""

pedit: So you could say exactly that and pretend to be protown. It isn't exactly hard to fake.

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LOL at mulch pretending he's actually claiming desperado

[MarioManiac4]

"HI IM MULCH AND I'M GOING TO AVOID VOTING MM4 DESPITE THREATENING TO DEATHTUNNEL THEM BUT I'M GOING TO DESPERADO THEM"
l o l

[MarioManiac4]

Why would I fake it when the mod wouldent do it anyway?

to pretend to get reactions?
you're acting like scum can't fake dayvig lol

[MarioManiac4]

I'm obviously not desperado and it was a literal joke but it's bothering me how you are trying to say it's a "fake claim"

it's a claim
it's fake

hence, fakeclaim

pedit: they would pretend to do it for reactions. it wouldn't be a long-term claim. they would retract it.

[MarioManiac4]

@mod: Desperado Mario

grabs popcorn

Pedit: damnit don't get my hopes up like that

wavemode i can assure you if i had a desperado i would definitely not use it on you

[MarioManiac4]

And don't you think you should at least have some fear that it's true? Scum do over bravado to "prove" they aren't scared. Scum also act like they are 100% sure I'm scum. You did both. Town would have natural fear.

I've seen your exact claim way too many times to believe it.
Dayvig is the most common fakeclaim in the book. Desperado is just a variant of that.
If you were desperado there is 0 reason to shoot me there considering I would be on the wrong track the entire game.
There's absolutely no reason to ever believe your claim there.

pedit: FINALLY

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I mean if I was scuum I would most likely have some bullshit reason I could conjure out of my pocket

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For all your theatrics about voting and deathtunneling me, you've had a remarkable lack of voting me up to this point.
Care to explain that?

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mulch are you scum this game
its ok if you are im not a judgemental person

If you vote me I'm vote parking on you for the rest of the day, and probably going to actually put in effort to explain to the rest of the town why your shit was scummy.

Your scumread on me for having a gutread is shit.

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^That's the point.
You're acting. Nothing you say is actually how it is at all. It's all based on alternative facts and blatant bullshit.

[MarioManiac4]

In fact, I was null reading you before this.

Also that's some nice thinking on your thought to change your mind about a fundamental part of your game in four minutes

[MarioManiac4]

LOL at mulch pretending he's actually claiming desperado

Did you really think I would do this as scum? Literally claim desperado?

100% and you claiming you wouldn't is extremely suspicious and slimy.
You're just saying "HEY I FAKECLAIMED DESEPERADO. THAT MEANS YOU HAVE TO TOWNREAD ME."

Which is exactly the point.

[MarioManiac4]

Scum stick to narratives, town re evaluate as the game goes on

Except that the last towngame we played together you tunnelled me for most of the time you were there. So uh yeah not quite.
4 minutes is a pretty horrendous timeframe for deciding that you won't votepark someone and will instead go ahead and retreat and "threaten" and "gambit" your way into the vote you should've just gone ahead and done a long, long time ago.

pedit: So you're trying to get towncred from a joke.
Mulch/10

pedit: THATS BECAUSE IT WAS THE MOST OBVIOUS FAKE IN THE HISTORY OF THE GAME

[MarioManiac4]

am i on recreational drugs and imagining this or is everyone else

[MarioManiac4]

HI IM WAVEMODE AND I'M GOING TO SCUMREAD MM4 FOR NOT BELIEVING AN OBVIOUS FAKECLAIM WHEN THEY HAVE EXPLAINED WHY THE CLAIM WAS OBVIOUSLY FAKE

what the fuck would even be the point of claiming town in twilight when my alignment is about to be confirmed anyway

[MarioManiac4]

I think you two use very surface-level reasons to throw shade at people simply for not acting how you expect.

[MarioManiac4]

Not claim town, but indicate that if mulch is really a Desperado then he's about to die.

It's minor though. I still prefer an SD lynch

but mulch was really fucking obviously not a desperado

[MarioManiac4]

it altered my read-forming process but not that significantly
like i still have the same thoughts it's just that i leant towards ignoring part of it

pedit: no shit

[MarioManiac4]

you have not yet been lynched as town either from checking your topics
so uhhhhhhhhhhhh

[MarioManiac4]

mulch is scumbtw

How much do you want to bet?

Would you bet that you will vote yourself tommorow if I flip town?

^^ we lynch this

[MarioManiac4]

fuck no.
stop being so manipulative and stop trying to make """town""" shitty deals.
you know they do nothing. you know they are utterly pointless. you know town can be wrong.
this is the shit town only says when they're tunnelled and desperate. the thing is, you're not tunnelled on eddie or myself.

[MarioManiac4]

I changed my mind Mario can be scum again. That statement I made was super towny

you don't get to say things and then say "oh that was super towny you're not allowed to scumread me "

[MarioManiac4]

I changed my mind Mario can be scum again. That statement I made was super towny

I changed my mind Mario can be scum again. That statement I made was super towny

you don't get to say things and then say "oh that was super towny you're not allowed to scumread me "

Mario if I flip town will you vote yourself tomorrow?

fuck no.
stop being so manipulative and stop trying to make """town""" shitty deals.
you know they do nothing. you know they are utterly pointless. you know town can be wrong.
this is the shit town only says when they're tunnelled and desperate. the thing is, you're not tunnelled on eddie or myself.

[MarioManiac4]

What percentage chance am I scum Mario?

I said a statement designed to make peolle think I was town. Why aren't you being affected by it?

percentage chance right now? idfk lol it's completely arbritary. 80% maybe.

i wasn't being affected by it because it's an obvious gambit that can make people think you are town. and you turning around and saying "you're not allowed to scumread me now" shows fucking clear scum motivation for it.

pedit: because it's playing against my win condition.

[MarioManiac4]

How about no.
You're doing the exact same thing you're doing hoping it will bait me into thinking you're town.
You're not tunnelling me. You currently scumread me because I didn't townread something that I find scummy. This is completely out of place.

[MarioManiac4]

Me self-voting is against my win-condition, plain and simple, and I won't do it, in this game or ever.

[MarioManiac4]

Me self-voting is against my win-condition, plain and simple, and I won't do it, in this game or ever.

[MarioManiac4]

If you're scum, you aren't going to make me townread you based on this, and you don't get to use it as material.
If you're town, this is useless.

pedit: I'm going to go with the 0% chance.

[MarioManiac4]

I'm prepared to vote myself for this deal to help me find scum, if I'm scum wouldent you want me to vote yourself?

I don't care. I will never accept any deal that involves me playing against my win condition, no matter what the probability.
It's not like I need your vote to lynch you.

pedit: What the fuck are you smoking.
pedit2: no. i doubt you hammered yourself though.

[MarioManiac4]

You rolled a 5-sided dice and it landed on 1. So what?

[MarioManiac4]

You rolled a 5-sided dice and it landed on 1. So what?

Scum

Mulch I'm not high enough for this.

[MarioManiac4]

mulch is l-1

yeah gambit lol

[MarioManiac4]

I'm rubber, you're glue, your words bounce off me and stick to you.

[MarioManiac4]

MAKING a joke here is not natural. Your reactions to all my tests are not natural. Your forcing an appearance and scum

But your Role PM told you they're natural.

[MarioManiac4]

I'm rubber, you're glue, your words bounce off me and stick to you.

The fact you had to say that proves your scum

I didn't "have" to say that. It shows how utterly pointless your statement was.

[MarioManiac4]

Dead town reads are always more accurate than alive town ones. Mario is scum.

mfw you're still pretending you think you're dead

[MarioManiac4]

That's because you weren't online when you were townreading me and I therefore had no crazy batshit to affect my reads.
I didn't shade anyone.

pedit: Considering the shit you've been doing, I am well within my rights to scumread you, and there's a ~90% chance you flip scum.
How about we don't assume something that probably isn't true?

[MarioManiac4]

And his reaction to the dice test does not match his level of confidence


I'm vanilla BTW

Your dice-test was fucking bullcrap. I will never play against my wincon. All you did was purposely manipulate people and do random "test" shit, hoping you'd look town for it, and are now blaming me for pushing you.

[MarioManiac4]

Town naturally feels the effects of what I'm doing, scum needs to pretend to be too tunnelly and have false bravado

I feel the effects of what you're doing. The bullshit kinda stinks though, can you stop?

[MarioManiac4]

Subject: Mini Normal 1914 - Sunshine Mafia - Game Over

It's just frustrating when you KNOW you have a scum nobody will help you push on it.

And now he's saying it's a scumtell for pushing confidently.

[MarioManiac4]

And his reaction to the dice test does not match his level of confidence


I'm vanilla BTW

Your dice-test was fucking bullcrap. I will never play against my wincon. All you did was purposely manipulate people and do random "test" shit, hoping you'd look town for it, and are now blaming me for pushing you.

Your already perspective slipping and defending from my attack on you despite me being 10% town. You shouldn't be this worried and already defending

I'm not defending shit. I'm pointing out what you're doing is just roll around doing random crap hoping to be townread for it. You know, since you're not hammered

[MarioManiac4]

Subject: Mini Normal 1914 - Sunshine Mafia - Game Over

It's just frustrating when you KNOW you have a scum nobody will help you push on it.

And now he's saying it's a scumtell for pushing confidently.

Wrong.

And why are you defending from me? Shouldn't you be happy I'm spewing you town?

That's also manipulative and not what I said. I never said the words scumtell and I know that because I don't think they exist.

Your confidence and words don't match.

Whatever. You think it's scummy that I'm confident in a read. same difference.

[MarioManiac4]

And his reaction to the dice test does not match his level of confidence


I'm vanilla BTW

Your dice-test was fucking bullcrap. I will never play against my wincon. All you did was purposely manipulate people and do random "test" shit, hoping you'd look town for it, and are now blaming me for pushing you.

Your already perspective slipping and defending from my attack on you despite me being 10% town. You shouldn't be this worried and already defending

I'm not defending shit. I'm pointing out what you're doing is just roll around doing random crap hoping to be townread for it. You know, since you're not hammered

Wrong, you are defending against me and trying to construye it differently

I don't need to defend against you. It's likely that you'll be lynched, and in that case your arguments will be forgotten anyway, and even if you're not hammered, nobody will care because *your argument is shit*

are you just trying to recreate 1914 because you're not doing it very well

pedit: i don't care what you think my tone is. all i'm doing is disproving your arguments so that it's clear that they're just full of shit and not actually productive.
pedit2: no, i'm talking from a town perspective. because that's how you disprove arguments.

[MarioManiac4]

Mulch makes 7 posts to say the exact same thing

pedit: hahahahahahha

[MarioManiac4]

Why are you defending?

BEEP BEEP LOADED QUESTION

[MarioManiac4]

you so nobly want to be lynched for the good of the town
and vote mm4
makes sense

pedit: at this point i don't know what the fuck you're referring to

i'm not worried at all

pedit: im not upset/angry, i'm arguing against what you are saying because people can buy it regardless of how bad it is.
pedit2: riddle me this. why would i be defensive as scum?
pedit3: HOLY SHIT STOP POSTING SO THAT SOMEONE ELSE CAN ACTUALLY FUCKING POST WITHOUT GETTING PEDIT HOLY FUCK IT'S NOT LIKE YOUR POSTS BRING ANYTHING ORIGINAL TO THE TABLE
pedit4: if you're town i am going to give up on humanity and embrace a life of nihilism
pedit5: you're not being town you're being scum
i'm """worried""" about it because there is a chance that it involves me playing against wincon and i will not do that ever. there is no benefit for me.
pedit6: i brought it up because it shows that you're bullshitting about confidence. there's no way you "knew" i was scum. you know speaking slightly more confidently than you feel isn't scummy.
pedit7: WHY THE FUCK DO YOU DO THIS TO ME MULCH WHAT DID I EVER DO TO YOU

[MarioManiac4]

HOLY FUCK I FINALLY POSTED THANK GOD

[MarioManiac4]

it's in that post if you can be bothered to read it
would be a shame if you didn't since you made me pedit 7 times for it

pedit: no i'm not because it's mentally exhausting

[MarioManiac4]

you keep pushing irrelevant shit
and not only do you do it once
you do it over and over
and over again and it's just fucking repetitive and boring
and i have to respond to it because i know people will be convinced by your shit (into townreading you, your arguments are self-evidently bad enough i hope) so i need to at least make an attempt to show that it is made-up bullcrap but like
i can't even post without you spamming random things

[MarioManiac4]

you keep pushing irrelevant shit
and not only do you do it once
you do it over and over
and over again and it's just fucking repetitive and boring
and i have to respond to it because i know people will be convinced by your shit (into townreading you, your arguments are self-evidently bad enough i hope) so i need to at least make an attempt to show that it is made-up bullcrap but like
i can't even post without you spamming random things

[MarioManiac4]

you know what i will do what i should have done a long time ago and stop responding to mulch
it will make the game a lot cleaner, it will make me less mentally exhausted and it will stop mulch from getting whatever the fuck it is he is trying to get
if anyone is convinced by him to any extent i can respond to them

[MarioManiac4]

You felt the need to say your not worried.

Then why bother to respond?

you're getting tangled up in your own tangled web of bullshit so i will allow myself to quote you

[MarioManiac4]

psa: don't talk to mulch

just vote

[MarioManiac4]

mulch if this is a gambit and you are town i don't really have any words for you other than please don't do this again.

[MarioManiac4]

VOTE: mulch

Yeah I was scum lol

why would you do this as town though i guess you have to be scum \o/

[MarioManiac4]

i should believe you but i don't

[MarioManiac4]

Oh well first scum lynch.

Happens to everyone I guess

this isn't genuine at all

[MarioManiac4]

if you're town i want you to be straight up w/ me and tell me why you did what you did
if you're not carry on with your beautiful day

[MarioManiac4]

okay.

[MarioManiac4]

i want to 100% believe you wouldn't lie to me but i can't.
i'll operate under the assumption you are scum, though.

[MarioManiac4]

I mean, it was sort of obvious when I said I forgot why I scunrrad someone. Only scum have bad memories lol

holy fuck you're trolling me aren't you.
literally just tell me please. if you're town whatever gambit you think you're doing is just as effective as asking people to selvote

[MarioManiac4]

if mulch is scum:

Extra-Special Townbloc of Happy Friends

MarioManiac4 (f u eddie ill do what i want), rb, skitter30

Candidates For Promotion

UnaBombaH, Eddie Cane, frog

Watchlist For Meaniness

Sunlit Diamond, Dunkerdoodles, NotTheRealPaul, Flavor Leaf, wavemode

Wanted for Bullying and General Sad Crimes

Thor665

will think more overnight

[MarioManiac4]

mulch if you're town i will legitimately be mad.
like. not kinda fustrated and exhausted. actually irritated.

[MarioManiac4]

Guys

I think I might have been wrong about mulch

might vote this tomorrow.

pedit: i disagree. i think you have quite a few associative tells with the mulch slot. may look over again tonight but doubt my opinion will change.

[MarioManiac4]

i was going to vote for scumlit diamond

probably a vig kill

[MarioManiac4]

VOTE: Dunkerdoodles

[MarioManiac4]

also i am going to have a great number of words for mulch at the end of the game/when i die

[MarioManiac4]

it makes sense if the vig was trying to shoot for scum although lurker-killing could have been optimaler

for win condition purposes let us not discuss this further

[MarioManiac4]

i want to look at the people who jumped on the wagon late in the day without reasoning or attracting attention

such as ntrp and dunker

and ntrp has generally been townier than dunker

[MarioManiac4]

i think flavour's tunnel on me doesn't make much sense
could be scum there

ideally we hear more opinions from him i'm not confident in anything regarding his alignment rn

[MarioManiac4]

Unabombah you could just out your read. That would be a lot more helpful.

[MarioManiac4]

i wanna know why the hardclaimed PR didn't die last night

pedit: Am I that insignificant to you

[MarioManiac4]

frog

[MarioManiac4]

Yes. Town will be very sorry if they loose me.

Ah right this is a VT claim got it

okay so maybe he didn't say the exact words "I am PR" but the effect is the same

[MarioManiac4]

frog

um...?

f r o g

[MarioManiac4]

no but like if he claimed non-pr i would instantly lynch him
it isn't subtle
the effect is exactly the same as hardclaiming pr so it's like the same thing

[MarioManiac4]

because you not dying is weird and indicative of frog!scum.

[MarioManiac4]

huh he could have been healed

uhhhhhh im very smart

[MarioManiac4]

y

its not a townslip but w/e

[MarioManiac4]

only two below-average reads im actually impressed w/ that readslist

[MarioManiac4]

everything is rolefishing

when you're part of a team

[MarioManiac4]

im guessing you think its skitter but im not seeing it

[MarioManiac4]

i was visited by comrade mulch
if you are visited by comrade mulch you are turned into a Compulsive Poster

[MarioManiac4]

just

tell

us

your

scumread.

[MarioManiac4]

unabombah stop.

[MarioManiac4]

it's content. not

helpful

content especially but it's content.

also unabombah is town and we never lynch him.

[MarioManiac4]

i was expecting it to be a huge conspiracy theory

[MarioManiac4]

and it's just like "he was buddying"

next time pls share that straight up?

[MarioManiac4]

unabombah stop.

Full stop.

I'll just wait to get killed so I can go back to play in the kiddies pool in Rome.

no, you don't need to go to rome.
you just need to open up to ppl about your theories. withdrawing info from the town isn't really going to help anything?

[MarioManiac4]

basically there was this game where i had a CHIKORITA avatar, i said something someone found funny and they set their avatar to CHIKORITA, so beginning the chikorita army
to this day chikorita is the most common pokemon avatar onsite

[MarioManiac4]

unabombah; https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Normal_Game

this will show you all the available roles and modifiers

(i think you are allowed one role not in it but it has to be simple and is fully explained)

it's not all that chaotic tbh, you already know about cop/doc/tracker/bp/jailkeeper, and people are willing to teach you what roles are and what they mean if u dont know

[MarioManiac4]

you so nobly want to be lynched for the good of the town
and vote mm4
makes sense

pedit: at this point i don't know what the fuck you're referring to

i'm not worried at all

pedit: im not upset/angry, i'm arguing against what you are saying because people can buy it regardless of how bad it is.
pedit2: riddle me this. why would i be defensive as scum?
pedit3: HOLY SHIT STOP POSTING SO THAT SOMEONE ELSE CAN ACTUALLY FUCKING POST WITHOUT GETTING PEDIT HOLY FUCK IT'S NOT LIKE YOUR POSTS BRING ANYTHING ORIGINAL TO THE TABLE
pedit4: if you're town i am going to give up on humanity and embrace a life of nihilism
pedit5: you're not being town you're being scum
i'm """worried""" about it because there is a chance that it involves me playing against wincon and i will not do that ever. there is no benefit for me.
pedit6: i brought it up because it shows that you're bullshitting about confidence. there's no way you "knew" i was scum. you know speaking slightly more confidently than you feel isn't scummy.
pedit7: WHY THE FUCK DO YOU DO THIS TO ME MULCH WHAT DID I EVER DO TO YOU

you think you have it bad

i had to pedit eight fucking times

[MarioManiac4]

role =/= alignment
bulletproof means you are immune to kills
bulletproof doesn't mean you're town

same with most other roles, they aren't attached to an alignment, apart from roles like innocent child and mason which are supposed to be conftown, and roles like strongman which apply to the mafia factional abilities

(even if you don't understand closed setups right now, your scumhunting is still very useful, don't worry.)

[MarioManiac4]

actually paul you were right about me in comics

[MarioManiac4]

VOTE: wavemode

[MarioManiac4]

dunkerdoodles is actual scum btw

[MarioManiac4]

he's scum on the mulch wagon. he doesn't explain his vote. he just moves onto another target and avoids attracting attention. i find that a lot more scum are inactive and in the shadows than you would generally think.

i also want to lynch wavemode though

[MarioManiac4]

We're talking about vigilantes because 5 minutes into the day mm4 went "hey that was probably a vig kill"...

Actually that's because people were speculating on it assuming it was a scum kill. Nice try to justify your vote with something other than "they're not obvtown" though.

[MarioManiac4]

you want evidence that it probably wasnt a scumkill

it was on sunlit diamond

so yes it is a complete waste of time to speculate about it being a scumkill

[MarioManiac4]

your push doesn't consider evidence and has none
you're basically just pushing a mindset without the reasoning necessary to get to it

[MarioManiac4]

UNVOTE: MM4

Based on just the last hour or so, I believe you are town.

Still have to read through everything I missed.

tra la la la la la
sing a happy song

[MarioManiac4]

killing an extremely mislynchable player because they scumread you makes no sense
like
that's what rope is for

[MarioManiac4]

My reasons for pushing you are the events of yesterday mm4, and they haven't changed.

yeh nice to see your gutread of an alt made specificcally to change playstyle is the best read you have d2

[MarioManiac4]

really? i can't seem to find it

[MarioManiac4]

wavemode / dunkerdoodles / ?

[MarioManiac4]

wavemode is aligned with the mafia

none of those things are incriminating try again

[MarioManiac4]

how does it feel to be so very wrong

[MarioManiac4]

i wouldn't know, you can tell me

[MarioManiac4]

rip

[MarioManiac4]

wavemode's read on me is bad :')

[MarioManiac4]

Im not quite sure I wanna vote wave rn. Like im just kinda miistified bcuz of how confused i was on that slot.

VOTE: wave

got it

[MarioManiac4]

(That said, mulch wasn't even useless if you actually read his posts... he was just town. Sounds more to me like, let's kill anyone who disagrees with me so I get to lead unobstructed.)

mulch is scumbtw

How much do you want to bet?

Would you bet that you will vote yourself tommorow if I flip town?

I changed my mind Mario can be scum again. That statement I made was super towny

this is why we can't have nice things

[MarioManiac4]

tbh ntrp in this game reminds me of scum!mm4 but not scum in general so i've towned him

[MarioManiac4]

I'm MM4. Is that enough reasoning

[MarioManiac4]

tbh ntrp in this game reminds me of scum!mm4 but not scum in general so i've towned him

if i was like scum mm4 i woulda been caught already

ps that was joke dont hurt me

Hey I had two scumgames after that when I didnt get caught

or at least no-one lynched me

>:(

[MarioManiac4]

q: if x sheeps y and y sheeps x who sheeps who?

a: both sheep mm4

[MarioManiac4]

VOTE: rb

[MarioManiac4]

VOTE: Mulch

[MarioManiac4]

Wait what I was memeing do I have to take this game seriously

[MarioManiac4]

Uhhhhh Eddie is a person his posts aren't incredibly impressive but I've never really got pinged by him
literally everything about him doesn't make me lean either way atm so i've been secretly hoping he gets sorted out somehow

[MarioManiac4]

Tbf wavemode is probably scum which gives eddie some twoncred i guess

[MarioManiac4]

would agree to lynch these ppl
Eddie Cane
Flavor Leaf
Dunkerdoodles
Game Replacement
wavemode
Thor665

actively want to lynch these ppl
wavemode
Flavor Leaf
Dunkerdoodles

vedith is probably capable of obvtowning if town so he needs to go do that

am finding it progressively harder to have fun in this game

[MarioManiac4]

VOTE: Game Replacement
This was always going to happen eventually let's just speed up the process

[MarioManiac4]

Can MM4 get a fake dayvig literally every day in Mini 1931
like and subscribe to find out

[MarioManiac4]

Nah it's more like we end up deathtunneling each other ridiculously often, lol. I also want Vedith to play this game so I can sort him \o/

[MarioManiac4]

if i wver host a game there will 100% be a dayvig

And every player but the dayvig will try to dayvig someone.