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Hello everyone.
I'll do stuff later.

Give me any facts and what not if there are any.

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I will sheep rb unless anyone gives me a strong reason not to! \o/

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I'm MM4. Is that enough reasoning

Oh look Mario's in the game! \o/
Should I push you as Scum now or tomorrow?

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would agree to lynch these ppl
Eddie Cane
Flavor Leaf
Dunkerdoodles

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wavemode
Thor665

The fuck you mean?

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VOTE: Game Replacement
This was always going to happen eventually let's just speed up the process

Dayvig Mario

See you all tomorrow guys!

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Me and Mario are best friends IRL and when he's scum he votes me because I can read him like a book.
I was just about to check his ISO but he gave it away.

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when he's scum he votes me because I can read him like a book.

^By this he means that he's never scumread me correctly.

So that's your defence?!

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Also, who's scum, Mario?

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Should I read Thor and rb?

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Great question! How about you go and try and find the answer?

I'm trying!
What more do you want?
Plus there's about 89 pages more than I want to read.

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I want something that can locktown you so I can go chase flavor leaf or someone.

No.

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I'm going to ISO TB as he has less posts.

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tfw Vedith has a greater presence in this game than I do and he is not even playing in it

@MOD - Should this player be posting here?

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Curious to know this as well

(Also, welcome Game Replacement! Forgot to say that earlier)

Thanks Frog! I'll put you as town for being so nice! \o/

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I'll check them I guess then.

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Every person in their next post, needs to state who they have absolutely off the table and will not lynch

Vedith \o/

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wavemode (3): Eddie Cane, Dunkerdoodles, NotTheRealPaul

Why is this the leading wagon?

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I mean, is Wave scum?

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rb, did you back off Thor because you're scum?

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yes

\o/
Okay, I've read 2 ISO's so far and I don't have reads from them.

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I'm going for a shower then if I don't get someone good on URF I'm going to bed.
Otherwise I'll post shortly.

Pedit - TB and Frog.

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Well, I got shit picks so I'm going to bed.
Tomorrow though I'm checking your ISO rb, as you make me feel like you're scum!
Woo me by then.

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I have decided!

VOTE: rb

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rb Mario scum?

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@FL - I'm the one who halted the Thor wagon

@Vedith if ur town im actually done

Because I have good reads? \o/

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Okay, but I'm calling you and Mario scum.
So of course you will say you town read him.

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I don't want to discuss this with you right now, rb.
Because if you're actually town I'm not sure I'm going to be convinced tonight.

But lets pick this up tomorrow when I lynch you and Mario \o/

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VOTE: Mario

We can talk shortly rb. Write you're town case ready.
You too Mario. \o/

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Typical Scum Mario!

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I dont believe in gamblers fallacy!
So I'm not going to call you town because I was a little wrong once it twice.

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If you think I'm wrong Mario with you and rb, then tell me who's Scum.

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So every player but you and rb?

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Mario, it feels like you're trying to mis lynch NTRP while still being able to have reason to lynch Leaf.
Who do you Scum read more of out wave leaf and NTRP because right now other than my Scum result I got on you last night, you scumming up the game!

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At this point, NTRP.

And let's not pretend that having multiple scumreads is lining up lynches because that's silly.

Why is that silly?
It's more the order of your priority that I'm concerned on. If you're town, youre letting ego be your choice.
If you're Scum (you are 9/10 times) then you're preparing to lynch another tomorrow.

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Mario Scum \o/

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More votes on Mario please.

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Are you going act Scum literally every game?
Vote rb with me if you want. Otherwise I'll sit here.

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Vote him, Thor! \o/

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What is your town read on Dunkerdoodles about?
And if you don't have one, why aren't you voting him yet?

Dunker is not an important player to me when I have Scum Mario and rb.
You can play as bad as your heart desires, as long as we Lynch Scum Mario.

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Also im at work, Thor, don't rush me!

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If I give you 2 slices of buttered bread, can you make a sandwich?
Yes.

Mario and rb are Scum regardless of what filling I give you, if any.
Follow me, and I'll consider a tiny bit of town credit for you.

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GR what's your read on me

Vote Mario with me and I'll call you town, billy, or even Uncle Eddie if you wish.
Other than that, you're not worth my time. \o/

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I've alr3ady voted mario. frog is conf!scum tho!

Okay Uncle Eddie! Mario today then you can woo me into lynching Frog tomorrow.
Or try to woo me now but I didn't read his iso as scummy.

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Don't get side tracked! Mario is scum here. \o/

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Game Replacement is probably the one bussing.
he was setting up rb to be mislynched after mario flipped scum

I got dis, Dunker!

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You want my last reads?
Hang Flavor Leaf.
Hang Paul.
Hang Unabombah.

I thought Una was town for you?

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Vedith you just can't fucking read me. Ever. You have NEVER scumread me correctly. Just. stop.

pedit: I don't give a fuck about "my final reads."
Are you going to listen to them
hahhahahahahahAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH


no.

This isn't town you.
This isn't town rb. rb Even said himself that he's playing differently. You are just angry here because I've pinned down 2 scum.

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You want my last reads?
Hang Flavor Leaf.
Hang Paul.
Hang Unabombah.

I thought Una was town for you?

I think Mario was just venting. I think he played a good SK but got lynched "undeservedly", so he banged that list out.

If anything, to me it reads "these are the people I actually think are town, I hope you guys lose"

Or maybe last moment distancing.
I'll decide in 2 days.

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They just kept calling you Vedith.
Is that your main account?

Yeah that's my main! \o/
Vedith! \o/

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rb - Enough
NotTheRealPaul - Plenty
Eddie Cane - 1 or 2?
Flavor Leaf - 0?
frog - couple
Dunkerdoodles - a few
UnaBombaH - Who dis?
wavemode - Minimal
Thor665 - Enough
MarioManiac4 - Enough

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First of all, welcome to MafiaScum. Don't take offence to that I was just joking.

So lets answer these questions.

RB I feel I can have a pretty good read on yes. He has a unique style of play as town and this is different. Even rb said so on this.
Thor, I've had enough games to know that he should be tonights kill. But given this player list, I'm not sure. Knowledge on his play? I've seen enough games/been in enough with him but not really any as of recent.

NTRP is always called scum and pushed. He's an awcward player and I've seen him pushed by scum. Even I've pushed him as scum before.

Dunker I'm not too sure on and Frog might be town here. But yeah I'll work them out later.

We'll see with Leaf and Dunker though.

And no, ask away. \o/

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meh

game replacement is just fucking scum rofl

you really can't read me if you think i'm scum here

Then don't replace out, tomorrow you explain again why you town read Mario and I'll review you.

Even you said you are playing differently. Why should I not scum read you for it?

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yeah because different = scum of course

no, im definitely replacing out

im so absolutely fucking done with playing on this particular account, because this shit just happens on it for whatever reason and it's literally insufferable trying to deal with people who think they know how to read me or w/e

It's a sign of scum, yes. You tried to pocket me when I joined the game and when I didn't bite you tried to fear me into town reading you by suggesting I'm scum if I scum read you.
So again, why should I consider you town?

Stop whining. Stay in the game and get on with it.

PEDITPEDITPEDITPEDITPEDIT

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I'm going to take a weekend V/LA
Back on Monday

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I'm on for a couple of hours between accounts.
Caught up and

VOTE: Dunker

This is going to be scum too. I think that's L2 or L1.
Million - Woo me, rb is scum to me.

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Catch up later.

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Eddie in 3091 - Don't discuss 3rd scum
Eddie in 3091 - 3rd scum is x
Huh?

Okay, so I'm a Rolecop (x shot) and FL is a JOAT. I'm pretty sure Eddie is scum here and that post just seemed like AtE.

Frog is scum here. Today we lynch Eddie, tomorrow we lynch Frog then you can all woo me to who's scum, depending if I'm alive.

I think una said that fl is trying to get our doc lynched somewhere in that wall. fl claimed b4 eddie (pretty sure he did) so thats not the case

That's because Eddie is most likely scum here.
Eddie is the best lynch today. \o/
Otherwise we have this shit to deal with tomorrow.

which prevents him from using his action... and prevents him from confirming himself as town via a hypothetical action... while he's under heavy scrutiny from me and others

Rolestop doesn't prevent someone using their action. This is Eddie manipulating the role to push a lynch on FL.

VOTE: Eddie

Follow me for a great tomorrow!

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it's 4 of paul/gr/wave/fl. logging off now and won't be back for a day or two. bye.

So one second this isn't how I play scum, then after I call you scum, I'm scum.
Lynch this.

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scum is in {flavor, wave, Paul, thor, una, gr}

it's 4 of paul/gr/wave/fl.

What did Thor do to change into a town read during these posts?

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Okay, so I'm a Rolecop (x shot) and FL is a JOAT. I'm pretty sure Eddie is scum here and that post just seemed like AtE.

Frog is scum here. Today we lynch Eddie, tomorrow we lynch Frog then you can all woo me to who's scum, depending if I'm alive.

Walk me through scum!frog

I'll go over this tomorrow (or if I'm dead you'll understand on my flip).
Easy game, easy money!

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you aren't this bad at the game

You take that back!

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I'm happy to move on from this shit today.
FL isn't going to be scum, even more so with his night actions.
Also, I haven't ever seen a loyal scum myself (I think?).
Remember, there was a 3rd party. Scum loyal means that it's intended to find 3rd party which just drops 3rd party at a huge disadvantage right there.

Last 3 people claim, don't really care what order.

Then we lynch Eddie and win from there.
He dipped and I doubt he's going to have much else than AtE when he comes back.

Easy game, easy money.

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I was posting on my other accounts. I have over 20 games to deal with and a half solved game isn't my priority.

I don't really care who claims next. Just anyone left do it.
I checked FL last night. He's JOAT, and anyone pushing him today I am going to consider as scum.
I'm going into detail more at a later day or my death says it on flip.

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So Scum win on a mis lynch. That mean that Una and Fog are 100% Scum faking to get a lynch.

So I'm not x shot. I'm actually weam odd night role cop.
Night 1 I (well, my ither body) targeted Frog and got no result. This means that Frog was rolestopped. Night 3 I checked FL and that returned with JOAT. That means he is town otherwise i would have been dead.

This also means that Frog lied about his action.
So who's last Scum in NTRP, Million and Thor?

VOTE: Una

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Weak*

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Easy game easy money.

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But at least you can see why my death would have confirmed Frog as Scum and FL as town.

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Looking at the PRs to the claims show who Scum are.

Yesterday we were lynching Eddie before my claim. There's no universe I fake claim there as VT.

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He's claiming Loyal Jack-of-all-Trades with two protective abilities, with a two-shot commuter and a full doctor in this game. Yeah, okay.

And look, his night action is confirmed.
Otherwise I would be dead.

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His night action is confirmed by you, and you are unconfirmed by me

How the fuck am I unconfirmed if I am countering your visit on FL? At the least I'm confirmed scum...
That's scum. Easy.

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If you have any trouble with this, ask me anything and I answer truthfully.

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Vedith
\o/

I'll post later.

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Lynching me loses us the game.
Thor, I know you're not that bad to be believing a fake guilty from scum in LyLo/MyLo.

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Lynching me loses us the game.
Thor, I know you're not that bad to be believing a fake guilty from scum in LyLo/MyLo.

You supported a likely fake guilty yesterday while ignoring someone directly counterclaiming you, so...well, if I'm bad you're worse

I asked you to talk to me about wagon composition - it seems to strongly vilify you and Flavor. What are your thoughts on how scum appear to have avoided wagons on town constantly?

Considering what I done had 2 out 2 Scum, while you sit there ready for a mis Lynch, no I'm not worse.
I had Eddie as 3rd Scum and his Scum flip just made my claim set.
He was town but was pushing FL as Scum when I knew he was town. That's not bad play

Scum avoid wagons all the time if they don't have to join. You know This, I know this.
I can show wagons in majority games pushed by Scum I can show wagons majority of games pushed by town.

Notice how the Scum weren't even on the SK while Mario was obvious Scum? That's because of town credit.

GTFO

Vedith \o/

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Notice how the Scum weren't even on the SK while Mario was obvious Scum? That's because of town credit.

Except that I jumped on Mario after he claimed vig, because I had KNOWLEDGE of his Bulletproof.
I just didn't know whether he was Mafia or SK.

Mmhm

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Also: GRs vote has been on me for the whole day (pretty much), and if he wasn't scum, a three person scumteam would've already hammered me.
I don't know if NRTP has visited this game during that time, but...

Considering there's 100% Scum in either of us (you) there's never going to be a 3 person lynch off the bat.
Your Scum buddies just not got the minerals to vote me or it outs you all.

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This is going to be like the 5th game in a row where Scum push me in LyLo and fake a guilty

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I think Flavor knew that Eddie was town and got him lynched on purpose and now is trying to save his skin.

He's town otherwise i would have died.
Una is shitting Scum every where. And I'm counting on your hammer yesterday being town.

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I think Flavor knew that Eddie was town and got him lynched on purpose and now is trying to save his skin.

He's town otherwise i would have died.
Una is shitting Scum every where. And I'm counting on your hammer yesterday being town.

Wrong, you never visited him...

I did, and yet you even called me unconfirmed after my claim. You already slipped up.

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I think Flavor knew that Eddie was town and got him lynched on purpose and now is trying to save his skin.

He's town otherwise i would have died.
Una is shitting Scum every where. And I'm counting on your hammer yesterday being town.

How's that?

I'm weak, means if I target Scum I die.
This is why I was set on FL town.

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How many games can you show 0 wagons pushed by scum?
Because that's what we have here if you and Flavor are both town.
I may have seen that, I suppose, but it's assuredly very rare if it does happen. I don't recall ever seeing it...have you?

I have hundreds on games on here, I can ensure you that there are games like that. When I'm at a PC I'll look through as I know I've seen it, and you know it can happen too.
90% of my Scum games I'm voting Scum, not town. And that's all game.

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Why don't we lynch NTRP then we have nothing to go on besides vote count.

Lolwut

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It was a fierce competition, but you wrested the 'King of Misrepresentation' crown from Flavor Leaf. Well done!

How is you saying I'm unconfirmed misrepresentation?

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Why don't we lynch NTRP then we have nothing to go on besides vote count.

Because we have two players where we know for a fact one is scum so should probably lynch there for 50% accuracy even on a coin flip.
And if there's only two Mafia then NTRP is almost assuredly town.

3 Scum and 1 SK isn't unbalanced and is used more than 2 Scum 1 SK.
There's going to be 3 Scum here, but keep trying to push this. It makes no difference after we Lynch Frog and Ins

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I also have hundreds of games, so our ability to assert from experience has to be similar.

You're saying that if I looked up your scum games you would spend almost all of your time voting scumbuddies, even at day's end?

I am saying that, yes.
You've seen my Scum game where I push my Scum team.
Pretty sure one large game I pushed my entire Scum team and made it to LyLo after convincing people to lynch them.
I've even day killed my Scum team. So knock yourself out.

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Why don't we lynch NTRP then we have nothing to go on besides vote count.

Because we have two players where we know for a fact one is scum so should probably lynch there for 50% accuracy even on a coin flip.
And if there's only two Mafia then NTRP is almost assuredly town.

That's what people said about Eddie and Flavor yesterday.

Look, I have a clear on FL.
Una and Frog have been flip flopping all day and this is a typical fake claim from scum in MyLo
Thor acting dumb doesn't sit well with me either.

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3 Scum and 1 SK isn't unbalanced and is used more than 2 Scum 1 SK.
There's going to be 3 Scum here, but keep trying to push this. It makes no difference after we Lynch Frog and Ins

I agree that 3 scum and 1 SK isn't inherently unbalanced.
Who do you think the theory partner for Frog and Una is?

You or NTRP.

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I'll do some research tomorrow in some Minis.
Feel free to toss me some if you want me to look at anything specific.

When I'm at a PC I'll be more than happy to tag each Scum game.
Pretty sure in RCs most recent Upick I lynched off my only scum buddy day 1 then never lynched with town again.

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Look, I have a clear on FL.
Una and Frog have been flip flopping all day and this is a typical fake claim from scum in MyLo
Thor acting dumb doesn't sit well with me either.

I'm acting dumb?
Aw crap.
What is this "flip-flopping" they're doing exactly?
I don't think it exists.
They've presented silly logic, but they haven't flip-flopped on anything I saw.

I hope it's acting dumb because if not, you're losing your touch.
Well for a start they aren't posting as if I'm confirmed Scum then they change it. Flip flop with socks, no going back.

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Thor is town. Thor can only be scum if I'm scum with him at this point, and if you have a clear on me, you have a clear on him. He could have convinced Two to vote me instead of talking down two of voting me if Thor was scum.

Then he needs to stop acting dumb and pretending that Scum never avoid wagons.

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@Thor

My last 3 Scum games (minus where I was copped night 1 in an open)

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Scum buddy died and I was only on the final lynch with town. All the other times I never lynched scum

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I was on the Mlulch town lynch. Then I pushed hard for my buddy day 2 when I didn't have to.

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Lynched my buddy hard. Never lynched town.

Now look at all my town games. I always lynch town, I'm always pushed as Scum in LyLo. Had about 5 LyLo in the last 2 months abd every time Im a scum fake claim or push.

Not killing town as Scum is always a town tell.
That's only my last 3 Scum games. You can look at all the rest on that account alone.

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I'd tend to expect that both of our rolecops are probably claiming their role honestly and one is lying about alignment

Also, if you believe this then you believe that Una is Scum role cop.
With the amount of PRs we have, what makes sense? Weak Odd night or full?

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Can you 2 just shut up?

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I would say X-Shot makes the most sense

Pity we don't have one of those

There is no reason for me to change from x shot to odd night as Scum.
As town I did it so Scum think I'm out of checks.

So Yeah, nice try.

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@Thor

My last 3 Scum games (minus where I was copped night 1 in an open)

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Scum buddy died and I was only on the final lynch with town. All the other times I never lynched scum

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I was on the Mlulch town lynch. Then I pushed hard for my buddy day 2 when I didn't have to.

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Lynched my buddy hard. Never lynched town.

Now look at all my town games. I always lynch town, I'm always pushed as Scum in LyLo. Had about 5 LyLo in the last 2 months abd every time Im a scum fake claim or push.

Not killing town as Scum is always a town tell.
That's only my last 3 Scum games. You can look at all the rest on that account alone.

Did you no-kill in any of those games?

I did indeed.
I've also only no killed in 1 game as Scum in my entire time I believe.

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I did indeed.
I've also only no killed in 1 game as Scum in my entire time I believe.

So you must be overdue for a second?

Not at all. But I love that's your only argument.
My entire meta as Scum or town has not changed in 2+ years over 6 accounts. Why would it change in this one game?

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Not at all. But I love that's your only argument.
My entire meta as Scum or town has not changed in 2+ years over 6 accounts. Why would it change in this one game?

Contradicting yourself? You have done it before, and recently. If your meta has changed before, why might it not change again?

That's not a meta change. You should read the reasoning for it there if you want to use it as meta.
I won't kill my best friend Bins and my best friend Bins is not in this game.

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So they gave up NTRP. Easy game easy money.

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As much as I am trying to convince TiaM, I am also trying to sort him.

Why are you not trying to sort NTRP?

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but I was weighting whether he was SK or BP-mafia.

Either are scum, why would it matter?
So that's a lie right there.

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HONESTLY??
I have said the same thing so many times now, and all you can do is say I'm lying.

But that's because I know you are lying...

Tell me why Mafia!UnaB would hesitate killing a confirmed SK?
Tell me, I beg of you.

Scum like to line up mis lynches. Was you in threat to him killing you, Una or NTRP? No.
So why would you kill him a day early if you can get another town killed?

There is no reason if you had that result as town for you to not lynch him.

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Just restating, because he's calling me stupid, and I'm stupidly having this as a hangup if he and Flavor are town.

Who the fuck knows?
Pre planned from scum to help with their claims?

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Also, I'm saying you're acting stupid, not that you are.
Why? Again, who the fuck knows.

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I really don't understand your argument.

I didn't lynch town. Having a vote on someone, and being on there when there's a wagon is 2 different things.

Here I have been on all the lynches, in the last 3 games I showed you as scum I wasn't on the lynches. I lynched my own scum early on, and this is proof in 90% of my scum games that I do it. I believe you were going to look but wanted examples.

So explain how it's the same here as there?

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I'm just leaving work I'll fully read your comments in a bit.