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11 pages in two hours, seriously?
Looks like y'all are already on tchill, so that's good. That was my big takeaway from Day 1.
People who are also probably town:
Danyboy (just played a scum game with him and he was very different)
Mulch
Formerfish
Other people who are more likely to be scum:
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Its what I'd do if I were scum, who's putting pressure on him in the maelstrom? The game with me and Dany was Breaking Bad. LUV has a good point about mulch's handling of the reveal.In post 2185, Mulch wrote:
How did you get flavor leaf as scum when they haven't posted?In post 2180, Backhand wrote:11 pages in two hours, seriously?
Looks like y'all are already on tchill, so that's good. That was my big takeaway from Day 1.
People who are also probably town:
Danyboy (just played a scum game with him and he was very different)
Mulch
Formerfish
Other people who are more likely to be scum:
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I'll try, but seriously slow down. Not that this isn't mostly on mulch.In post 2613, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
No.In post 2611, Backhand wrote:I'm not going to pretend I can regularly keep up with this--Mulch says LUV is vanilla, and LUV says otherwise? Did I miss anything else?
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Caught up. Yeah, LUV's claim/use of the role makes no sense, and if he did just use it in a weird nonsensical way than we'll know mulch was lying anyway.
One paranoid note: This whole sequence makes no sense, so let's all just remember that scum LUV does not mean town Mulch. He's probably town, but just keep it in the back of your minds.
More likely Tchill is scum though.
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I'm saying its possible--I tend to run on the paranoid side of things, so grain of salt, but I *do* think LUV is usually a better player than the claim he made. Simplest explanation is just that he fucked up because we all do, but maybe there's some weirdness going on.In post 2637, Mulch wrote:
Wtf? You think we're bussing?In post 2635, Backhand wrote:Caught up. Yeah, LUV's claim/use of the role makes no sense, and if he did just use it in a weird nonsensical way than we'll know mulch was lying anyway.
One paranoid note: This whole sequence makes no sense, so let's all just remember that scum LUV does not mean town Mulch. He's probably town, but just keep it in the back of your minds.
More likely Tchill is scum though.
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VOTE: Lil Uzi VertIn post 2640, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Backhand please hammer.
It's so frustrating to deal with towns on this site nowadays. No one reevaluates or thinks critically at all and harping on town and scum tells rather than motivation is the norm.
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I don't follow your point on Uzi--to me, it broke down to:In post 2694, tictac wrote:well I was gonna yell at ya for fastlynching Uzi, but I'm feeling tired today.
"scumz foresaw their goon being called vanilla and had a plan ofself-sacrificein place"
^this is what needed to be true for Uzi to be scum.
I think it'sslightlyless likely than "Uzi played bad"
Admittedly this argument only occurred to me days after he was lynched.
And that is why ya don't rush a lynch and ya don't quickhammer.
Ya take the time to think and ya take the time to listen to counterarguments instead of jumping to "partner"
It's seriously twisted that not looking like a potential partner is more important than weigting the merits of all arguments before lynching. People look for presence of absense of "scumhunting" and logic, but they sheep neither. Site-meta says LAMIST is scummy, but it seems to be all anyone ever does.
If day 1 had a proper intent to hammer (takes rl-days) 2mil would have claimed properly I'm pretty sure, but monkey rushhammers and the slot walks away scott-free. I'm pretty sure that is because many of ya would have hammered in monkeys place. "gotz to be unhesitant in lynching scumz or I'll look bad oh no".
Thing is, monkey was emulating himself a town and monkey isn't one to do that. He seriously broke character with 2mil hammer.
VOTE: Backhand
This slot has rushed a lynch on 2 claimed town PRs now.
One of those lynches would probs have swung on Mulch had people had more time to argue for it.
Any reasonable town would lynch this today. I don't actually think it's gonna happen here.
Peace.
pedit: or scumz like the way things are going and don't want fresh perspective to mess things up.
Mulch claimed a power role Day 1
Mulch claimed LUV was vanilla
LUV said 'nuh uh' and claimed that he had investigated Mulch to find out he wasnot vanilla which he had already claimedwhich makes no sense! We might have it out more after the game but to me it looked very much like a poorly-thought-out counterclaim to try and get a mislynch. I can't speak to why monkey scumread million, he seemed townie when I buzzed through Day 1, but its clear that he did, so why would that hammer be suspicious?
Maybe I did rush the lynch on LUV, but I wanted that whole situation to be over, I probably wouldn't play with mulch again which is partially on me for replacing in without checking more closely on the gamestate.
Anyway.
I don't think tchill should be off the hook for going after mulch. Mulch set himself up for that blaze of glory, he knew he would be going down. Seems like a very easy situation to bus for a player that was being deservedly otherwise scumread.
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You two agreeing on something is pretty compelling.In post 2718, Tchill13 wrote:VOTE: idanyboy
I like where this is going and I agree with the thought process.-
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Danyboy is gut/meta(ish) -- I just played a game where I almost immediately scumread him correctly and he just does not feel the same as in that game. And your response to this seems townlike, I would expect scum you to more strongly pick a side.In post 2739, Tchill13 wrote:
Why is iDanyboy town and why am I town?In post 2737, Backhand wrote:Ughhhhhhhh now I'm starting to think all three of you might be town. Formerfish went pretty hard after mulch on Day 1 when he was actually in some danger.
Tchill/formerfish, what are your thoughts about the interactions with mulch around post 500? I hadn't really registered on my first read that mulch had got to L-3. There's no real counterwagon that seemed to obviously form, but I wasn't actually in the game at that point. . . looking back and knowing that mulch was scum, does that give you any ideas?-
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In post 2737, Backhand wrote:Ughhhhhhhh now I'm starting to think all three of you might be town. Formerfish went pretty hard after mulch on Day 1 when he was actually in some danger.-
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Tchill, that what you think as well? Or anyone else, but you two were both heavily involved at that point.In post 2752, Formerfish wrote:
I think i talked about this before. I could see mulch have been stepping in as a goon to his scum pr buddy to take the heat off of him. Game was going after tic tac i think with his first 1v1, and thats when mulch stepped in, lost his fucking mind and set off the claimapalooza day 1 became.In post 2740, Backhand wrote:Tchill/formerfish, what are your thoughts about the interactions with mulch around post 500? I hadn't really registered on my first read that mulch had got to L-3. There's no real counterwagon that seemed to obviously form, but I wasn't actually in the game at that point. . . looking back and knowing that mulch was scum, does that give you any ideas?-
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I'm not unclear on why you're voting me, its just the incorrect conclusion Massclaim makes sense to me.In post 2759, tictac wrote:
I'm feeling this. Except for the convinving myself to play tonight part.In post 2756, Narna wrote:Fuck this game. Scum in {tictac, Danny, fl, ff} I'll convince myself to play tonight.
Anybody except Backhand unclear on why I vote him? He's not who I wanna convince here.
@Backhand I'll respond to y tomorrow.
Like the bit about dannys vote on 2mil. fish is growing on me a little bit.
Also think masscaim could be good.
Popcorn from danny?-
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tictac wrote:I don't believe in spoilering relevant discussion.OK, but I'm going to start paring this down
"I CC Mulch" is all Uzi needed to say. This assumes horrible play from Uzi as both alignments, but Uzi did in fact play badly and I do get that people do scumread poor play. It's not the fact you voted for Uzi. It's the timing.Backhand wrote: Mulch claimed a power role Day 1
Mulch claimed LUV was vanilla
LUV said 'nuh uh' and claimed that he had investigated Mulch to find out he wasnot vanilla which he had already claimedwhich makes no sense! We might have it out more after the game but to me it looked very much like a poorly-thought-out counterclaim to try and get a mislynch.
I mean, I asked uzi if he wanted to be hammered and the day to end.
And "Yes plaese do" is what scum-him would have said?I think frustrated Uzi would have done that either way
Still can't speak to monkey's state of mind, but I'm not sure its accurate that scum are more likely to "break character."
townies don't have characters to break
But people aren't actually super consistent robots who act in the same way to every situation. If anything, scum are more likely to be thinking about the "character" they're portraying.
This is actually pretty fair--I think scumMe probably does do the same thing as townMe who believed LUV was scum. Just so happens that's not the case. Also, this name is new to this site, yes.
Ya an alt then. Care to out your main?
I last played on this site in 2009, so I'm not sure how much value it would be to you.
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Alternately, Flavor leaf needs to get involved in the game.tictac wrote: This I do agree with. How likely do ya think that happening is?
Idk, wanna kill him?
His inactivity is kinda annoying. Should have policied him on day 1..
OK, we're on the opposite sides of this, but I'm so happy I found a policy lynch ally! Been dying on that hill in pretty much every game I've been in.-
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I mean, I asked uzi if he wanted to be hammered and the day to end.And "Yes plaese do" is what scum-him would have said?I think frustrated Uzi would have done that either way
So how is him saying that relevant?
You're accusing me of rushing to lynch--I'm saying he was frustrated and ready for the day to end. I thought he was scum and I was also frustrated and ready for the day to end.
Still can't speak to monkey's state of mind, but I'm not sure its accurate that scum are more likely to "break character."townies don't have characters to break
But people aren't actually super consistent robots who act in the same way to every situation. If anything, scum are more likely to be thinking about the "character" they're portraying.
Some things are consistent, and people are inconsistent to varying degrees. monkey reads on the high end on principled playstyle
Not this time, I guess.
This is actually pretty fair--I think scumMe probably does do the same thing as townMe who believed LUV was scum. Just so happens that's not the case. Also, this name is new to this site, yes.Ya an alt then. Care to out your main?I last played on this site in 2009, so I'm not sure how much value it would be to you.
Experience is a big part in how I read people. It would be helpful to be able to verify your number of games.
I was TheSweatPantsNinja back then, I think I played 10-15 games here? Even then, most of my online experience is elsewhere, and most of my mafia experience is in person, which is the only kind I've been playing for 8 years. So read into that what you will.-
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OK.
So townFormerfish has this "confession" happen--either he believes that tchill was telling the truth or that it was a reaction test. He comes out and votes danyboy and doesn't mention this thing at all. At that point, you had to believe it was a town reaction test--like tchill as scum saying this and not actually killing you with two opportunities to do so is insane. Yet you turn on him when he attacks you? Doesn't track from a town perspective, I don't see how you can believe tchill is scum based on what you've said.
VOTE: Formerfish-
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Uh yeah, probably he did forget about it. Even if he is scum it doesn't make sense to try to lie about something you can so easily fact-check and isn't really relevant to the main point.In post 2814, Formerfish wrote:Because I know I'm town and this is a bad push from him. He is literally flip floppity from here to there and vice versa. But fuck it, lynch me and then him when I flip town.
He literally tried to accuse me of lying and then found the very post he, what?, Forgot about?
If scum chill had convinced you he was town and he would sheep you (again, a crazy convoluted plan) why does he turn on you now?In post 2815, Formerfish wrote:
If scum chill can convince me he is town and that he will sheep me why wouldn't scum keep me alive?In post 2813, Backhand wrote:OK.
So townFormerfish has this "confession" happen--either he believes that tchill was telling the truth or that it was a reaction test. He comes out and votes danyboy and doesn't mention this thing at all. At that point, you had to believe it was a town reaction test--like tchill as scum saying this and not actually killing you with two opportunities to do so is insane. Yet you turn on him when he attacks you? Doesn't track from a town perspective, I don't see how you can believe tchill is scum based on what you've said.
VOTE: Formerfish-
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I find his explanation in his first paragraph pretty compelling--that he was pretending to agree with you to see what you did. Its your flip-flops on tchill that make no sense.In post 2820, Formerfish wrote:And my case on Dany as scum seems to make sense? That is the dumbest thing I've ever heard.-
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LOL, I didn't mean nine(?) years ago, check my games under this name. The meta was very different back then, possibly too far in the other direction.In post 2884, tictac wrote:@Hand If ya canlink yourself doing unannounced L-1 that would be helpful
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search.php?keywords=policy&terms=all&au ... mit=Search
This is site search of yer old username and the word "policy"
It has 5 hits, and I don't see none pushing a policy lynch.
If ya can expand on how ya been dying on that hill, that would be helpful.-
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OK, I've been trash this game but I'm going to try to salvage it.
Flavor leaf was the nightkill. He was not widely townread. However, he did say that he had a number of townreads and scumread tictac and narna.
Tictac just went out of his way to throw shade on my L-1 but doesn't have anything to say about narna's hammer?
@Titus: Claim your role please?-
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It is lylo, and I agree. Keep reading and talk to me, I'm concerned now that its actually dany and tchill and they're trying to push me over the edge with tictac.In post 2896, Titus wrote:Did tictac ever hard defend Mulch?
The VCs eyeballing it don't look good for him but I am concerned about the group having a consensus at lylo (at least I think it is).-
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OK.
Leaning dany right now.
Would both scum bus Mulch here? I have a hard time seeing that. And he was a little too eager to sheep me on tictac.
. . . which would mean that I twice voted for scum over town and my one strong townread was incorrect. Sucks to suck.-
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I don't see how it follows that I'm buddies with him, but OK. Feel a little dumb I didn't figure out "why are all these links not working?" sooner.In post 2908, iDanyboy wrote:I think tictac post3e that in his scum topic first to show his scum buddy? If you click on the link in his post that is a response to mine it says 'You are not authorized to read this topic.' If you wrote that in this topic Post 2774, Post 773 it would be like this, if you write it in a different topic and the post number is out of bounds it redirects you to the op like this Post 20000 Post 5645 and if you write it out in a pm the tag doesn't work.
You scum slipped
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Yeah, I paraphrased.In post 2977, iDanyboy wrote:
You wrote "you are not authorized to read the page"In post 2967, Backhand wrote:
I don't see how it follows that I'm buddies with him, but OK. Feel a little dumb I didn't figure out "why are all these links not working?" sooner.In post 2908, iDanyboy wrote:I think tictac post3e that in his scum topic first to show his scum buddy? If you click on the link in his post that is a response to mine it says 'You are not authorized to read this topic.' If you wrote that in this topic Post 2774, Post 773 it would be like this, if you write it in a different topic and the post number is out of bounds it redirects you to the op like this Post 20000 Post 5645 and if you write it out in a pm the tag doesn't work.
You scum slipped
Scumteam: Backhand/tictac
It says 'You are not authorized to read this topic.'
VOTE: tictac
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I guess tchill will have to decide--that I, tictac's scumbuddy, pretended to have no idea what was going on, knew he was caught, and then lazily mistyped what the text said?
Or me, actually having no idea what was going on, lazily mistyped what the text said.
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Its certainly what I would do, killing the one confirmed role.In post 3093, iDanyboy wrote:Tchill? You killing Titus?
What made you think i could be scum with Tchill? My meta hasn't changed from your first post.
As for you being scum with tchill, I was starting to believe tictac so it would have to be you and tchill by POE.-
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Yeah, I do. It should be *suspicious* to him that when the three of us were on I was the one guy who had no fucking idea what was going on. I'd love to give myself that much credit as an actor, but I don't think I could have pulled it off.In post 3095, iDanyboy wrote:So you think after me nailing tictac as scum, Tchill is going to vote me over you?
I suppose there's a chance that actually we're off base about why tictac was quoting from the scum thread and the buddy is tchill and wouldn't that be hilarious.-
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Why would you think I want you to vote me?In post 3099, Tchill13 wrote:Do you want me to vote you backhand? Lol I'll have to do some rereading before I lay a vote down but I'm leaning town on idanyboy.
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The only reason I even considered that was because how much it felt like a trap was being sprung on me--even then I thought the most likely scenario was you screwing up and Dany trying to take advantage of it by pinning it on me.In post 3149, tictac wrote:Backhand was the only one who thought I might have done it on purpose. I was really impressed.
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