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[IgnitionUSMC]

First time playing a mafia game here after playing it on other sites.

[IgnitionUSMC]

Ive never seen introduction posts as a scum play, if anything attacking intro posts are an easy way for scum to go after someone without raising red flags. Now if after an intro post a player continues to play dumb or detracts, by all means they are being scummy and exploiting their "new" post as hiding.

[IgnitionUSMC]

God, this a much faster past/post count than I'm used too... Granted I've been super busy at work.

To the game; w/o day chat, mafia.is more inclined to push a wagon then they would when they can coordinate? So who's been the most aggressive?

[IgnitionUSMC]

Lol then vote me pussy

Nah, why vote you when I can just do this.

DAYKILL CLOUD

Faking a daykill is scummy

VOTE: Havo

[IgnitionUSMC]

Based on balance I would think 3 mafia, who knows if there is a fool or a granny

[IgnitionUSMC]

I do agree that cloud is acting like a fool, but it seems to obvious

[IgnitionUSMC]

UNVOTE:

I voted for havo because of the fake day kill and gave my reason with my vote Hop. (Vote #309 - Here )

Lol then vote me pussy

Nah, why vote you when I can just do this.

DAYKILL CLOUD

Faking a daykill is scummy

VOTE: Havo

[IgnitionUSMC]

UNVOTE:

[IgnitionUSMC]

Im pulling my vote back off because at this point we need to either just wagon someone. I've also been extremely busy at work and Im just not used to this fast of a game pace from where I came from.

If you want me to list my scum reads... honestly im not sure at this point. But i agree with Tchill on id rather save my lynch for lynching mafia, then policy lynches followed by a night kill by mafia. At least give town a chance to lynch mafia

[IgnitionUSMC]

I do feel pisskops role is mafia and we should vote accordingly.

As far as my last posts.. I was going to follow up with changing my vote but I just didn't get back to playing (hence the prod). It's really easy to get behind and takes more time to catch up with all the post spam:/


VOTE: pisskop

[IgnitionUSMC]

Cloud has to be a fool or mafia, either way he is only spamming up at this point

[IgnitionUSMC]

I do feel pisskops role is mafia and we should vote accordingly.

As far as my last posts.. I was going to follow up with changing my vote but I just didn't get back to playing (hence the prod). It's really easy to get behind and takes more time to catch up with all the post spam:/


VOTE: pisskop

Hey igni, can you explain me your scumread in detals please

Jord - post 42 Self Voting
Jord - post 72 Voting Fykus without a reason, then later takes the angle that it was sheep voting he disliles
Pisskop - post 440 Stating you better unvote him as he is our best chance to win... I wasn't sure where I stood on jord until the way PK took over.

Not sure if being overly aggressive is just a play style here... But this latest act combined with jord.going silent after being active and voting fykus just has my.spider senses tingling and I think a read worth voting for on D1. If this was D2 we would have more voting records and actions to go off of and form better choices.

[IgnitionUSMC]

Based on pisskops.play I do feel he is playing way better than Jord, I believe I misread PK. Also for some reason I was thinking a fool was a possibility in normal, but I was wrong. Thanks PK for clearing that up.

UNVOTE:

Now fykus, followed tchill, after a cloud vote, ignoring completely that tchill wants to wagon him. Definitely doesn't seem right, this could be a scum read on both tchill and Fykus.

Right now I'm still not sure on anyone but tchill and Fykus are up there.

VOTE: fykus

[IgnitionUSMC]

Been super busy with work... either way catching up.

Yeah pisskop, you are beating around the bush for someone that has 4 votes. At first i voted for you, then backed off. Since then you've tried changing up play styles in just in the short period you have been here. Couple that with the jord stuff previously just gives me a scum read again. Right now i feel like lovelife is pushing you because he is on to something and i agree

VOTE: pisskop

[IgnitionUSMC]

Ignition's vote timing is also so fucking ridiculously scummy for some reasons

I voted when I had the chance to get back to this site, read over what i saw, and went back to voting PK. I think he is scum and voting as such, timing is irrelevant. Remember its still day 1 and we only have actions and voting records to go off of.

[IgnitionUSMC]

My experience has been for about a year + playing in 12-16 player themed games on another sub-forum based on a text based forum game (earth empires/earth2025). I just recently branched into here and MU to play more games.

As far as my scummy votes, i beg to disagree but you can think what you want. I think PK is scum, i started to think otherwise, and then i decided to stick with my initial read

[IgnitionUSMC]

I was on the fence still with staying on this wagon that obviously no scum wants to be the final hammer, but enough people think PK town. Fake claiming doc was just dumb.

[IgnitionUSMC]

Ignition, you don't want to use the newbie excuse (I get it)--so explain very clearly what caused you to hop off and hop on the pisskop wagon? Do some quoting and stuff.

Ignition, unvote or don't, but can you respond to this please and thanks?

Missed this before, thanks for the repost @Backhand. If you read my ISO, I laid out my initial vote for PK - Here

Then based on PK's comments (listed below) I started to feel he was playing for town, and interested in scumreading
* Here
* Tchill Beetlejuice breakdown


Then he claimed doc, then said he was lying. 99% of the time it's.in towns best interest to tell the truth, this pissed me off, but I'm on the fence with it. On one hand if we hammer and flip PK and he shows town... We know there is a scum in that wagon and we should find him. If he flipped scum, well party on Garth! On the other hand I think the reason he hasn't been hammered is because at least one of the non votes is scum and they didn't want their name as last vote on the wagon.

UNVOTE: ultimately, I need to take some more time and review some ISOs and come up with my.own take off reads and voting/not voting

Lastly my original read on CK I feel was wrong; but between a fake dayvig and fake doc claim... I'm :sad panda: if these are town players it's not my style and I would hope other town agree as it just distracts from.being able to focus.

[IgnitionUSMC]

Pisskop replaced into a universally scum read slot then took the drivers seat in the game. Fykus movied his vote on me right after he could have hopped on early right before my wagon took momentum then he voted with me... Then he moved his vote back onto me right after my wagon was a serious choice. That's not alarming to anyone? OK.

I did question fykus here and voted on it affter I stopped voting for PK the first time

[IgnitionUSMC]

Pisskop replaced into a universally scum read slot then took the drivers seat in the game. Fykus movied his vote on me right after he could have hopped on early right before my wagon took momentum then he voted with me... Then he moved his vote back onto me right after my wagon was a serious choice. That's not alarming to anyone? OK.

I did question fykus here and voted on it affter I stopped voting for PK the first time

Now with links

[IgnitionUSMC]

Pisskop actually faked Doc claim and he's still alive.

Cloud kicker has been a joke and he's still alive.

There's some terrabad town players in this game.

Or scum too afraid to hop on the wagon.

One of my thoughts too, posted it while I was responding to backhand

[IgnitionUSMC]

Bbt is pushing for a hammer way to much.

[IgnitionUSMC]

Even despite my interaction/voting with PK, i do agree with PK's beetlejuice layout on tchill.

Right now i have a feeling that hop, rob, and love are leaning town based on them actually trying to analyze and scum read people based more than just a "gutfeel". I think the fykus/tchill back and forth could actually be m/m instead of a t/m or m/t argument. So even if tchill flips this doesnt confirm fykus either way. Not ready to vote for tchill because im not sold he is mafia even with my suspicions. His ISO doesnt tell much by itself, more than what we have already looked at.

With this still being day 1, we've had a couple of wagons go around. Does someone have a list of the vote history already done so we can analyze? Or do we have to matrix this out?

[IgnitionUSMC]

So is tchill still at L-1? has tchill role claimed yet?

[IgnitionUSMC]

Ok so that sucked, 2 night kills for mafia, and we didnt lynch mafia. With PK and tchill flip I think it safe to say that BBT is scum, after trying to push both of their wagons... the only question is whether or not he is protected.

VOTE: BBT

[IgnitionUSMC]

Also out of the 7 that voted for TChill

Tchill13 (7/7): Hopkirk, pisskop, Backhand, CloudKicker, Fykus, BlueBloodedToffee, Game Replacement

Obviously PK was town. Leaving us with 6 more. At least 1 of the 6 has to be scum.
Looking at the ISOs
* Hop is generally interested in finding out why people were voting a certain way.
* Game was trying to get ppl to actually explain their PK votes
* CK started scummy and then started playing more town like.
* Backhand was also interested in finding out the truth, though the only one he consistently read as town was "lovelife"

* Fykus was already iffy
* I think we can all agree on BBT's overconfidence and trying to push wagons to hammer

[IgnitionUSMC]

I just as easily could of been the 7th vote on TChill instead of Game btw, but i didnt feel he had enough evidence to be the hammer. I was right : /

[IgnitionUSMC]

Ok BBT, instead of calling me off... prove what you think is the current reads


As far as why i think fykus has been iffy
Here is why i voted for him before on Day 1 - viewtopic.php?p=9517943#p9517943

Now as for the rest of his play overall he didnt come across trying to actually find scum except a gut read list. On the flip side he was calling out tchill for being not his normal playstyle (granted tchill flipped town)

[IgnitionUSMC]

And yes virt was scumreading/pushing fykus, but he was just directly going after him without providing any real evidence.


Yes i saw the soft claim vig (viewtopic.php?p=9523899#p9523899) he said he was going to take care of fykus at night.

[IgnitionUSMC]

Im fine with fykus over bbt. Fykus seems to read virt as scum more out of retaliation to virtu pushing on him

VOTE: Fykus

[IgnitionUSMC]

As far as when i decided to not stay on PK... its when i came back to the site to play again. I was being cautious because i thought we had a scum at L-1 and wasnt just going to let off pressure, but as i outlined i took my vote off PK.

[IgnitionUSMC]

Meh, i already outlined why i thought fykus was iffy. At this point im just trying to go based on votes, wagons pushes, revenge actions, and scummy play. As long as we can lynch scum this time.

4 votes for fykus. Anyone else agree with havo, back, and myself about fykus?

[IgnitionUSMC]

Right now my 2 scum leans are BBT and Fykus. BBT's play may have just been overaggresive town play... but i doubt that. Anyone else at this point i dont have anything that sticks out as a red flag or scummy

[IgnitionUSMC]

Also, is there a way to track vote history here, or is it manual searching?

[IgnitionUSMC]

Looks like the initial mod post has a link to each of the times he posts a vote count, but it only lists the vote count at that point, not the votes that changed : / better than nothing

[IgnitionUSMC]

Virt soft claimed vig and said he was going to shoot fykus, but maybe he shot PK instead and then was mafia killed. : / If he was our vig, that hurts

[IgnitionUSMC]

pk was beyond obvious town while tchill had a pretty shitty iso up to his lynch yet you voted pk

And tchills wagon was ramrodded thru without so much as a claim. And everyone is just ok with that?

?????????????

tchill had a shit ass iso and he was indeed hammered w/o a claim, doesnt mean he wasnt scummy or a worse choice than pk

Hammering someone without letting them at least defend their position helps no one but scum.

This, i was going to unvote on fykus while we got him to claim but others have already backed off of him. Doesnt mean that he is off the hook yet, but that wagon went way too fast (even though i was part of it)

[IgnitionUSMC]

The problem is if we only have one or two PRs, outting one right now might help us today but it could also give the scum what they need to kill our PRs off and win the game.

While I am iffy on fykus, I should of stuck with my gut on bbt I think, his scum read is pretty high right now. I was going to build a vote change matrix but I've been super busy and it's not as easy here as it is on MU. Hopefully tomorrow I'll have more time to pump one out

I am going to leave it there unless bbt can convince me otherwise or we have some other proof of scum. Luckily the day period here is long enough that we can hear from him and others

[IgnitionUSMC]

Would help if I actually voted for bbt when talking about leaving a vote on him. #fail VOTE: bbt

[IgnitionUSMC]

i dont really understand nor like how the table shifted on my slot, seems like im not even being shaded anymore, feels like im hard townreading scum

You mean how you've been annoying to interact with, so now people just aren't interacting with you anymore? lol

Lol.

Was going to make single list of vote changes, but im starting with just the votes at time of votecount, since this forum cant list vote changes easily. - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... =788879040

Right now up to VC1.8, i have to take care of some crap around the house before i have to travel for work next week (i should still be able to play about the pace i have been next week). When i get back from honeydo list, then i can finish up to our current votecount.

[IgnitionUSMC]

Shareable link... fail gdrive access is fail - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing

[IgnitionUSMC]

Right now my scum reads are BBT and Fykus. We should lynch one and have our vig eliminate the othe tonight. This would be a much better outcome than lynching another town, and losing another town at night.

The other thing is if all of our flips tomorrow arent scum, thiat would give scum a pretty good idea on the PRs they need to eliminate to finish us off. I agree with Havo about antitown play from cloud, it's like he is 50/50 for town and then against town.

-posting from mobile

[IgnitionUSMC]

I doubt that all 3 scum would be pushing on me, but you at least 1 if not 2 of the 3 are probably scum on that list. So far i have been reading Game as town lean (sof i had no read on), and besides the dumb fake dayvig havo has been leaning town. I dont disagree with hop's vote on fykus either. Love somehow doesn't see why BBT is playing scummy which strikes me as odd. Now the speed of fykus getting to L-1 was alarming and the main reason im on BBT first instead of Fykus... doesnt mean fykus is off the hook yet

[IgnitionUSMC]

If you are the vig and you out yourself us losing to scum is 100% on you.

[IgnitionUSMC]

I wanna lynch Ignition or GR.

So now.you went from putting fykus in L-1 without explanation on D2, you pushed hard for pk and tchill wagons on D1, and now that both Game and I are pushing on you now you somehow no longer care about fykus but instead want game and I to be your lynch

Yeah you're scum. Time to meet some rope

[IgnitionUSMC]

Rob, help me lynch Ignition please.

On the flip side if you do get to push my lynch through that will be the third townie you will have tried to wagon out of trying to push 4 wagons so far, maybe then the rest of my town ppl will agree with me about you.

Personally I'd rather we avoid starting day 3 being down 4 town, but let's see what everyone else says

[IgnitionUSMC]

Rob, I gave my.substance for voting bbt previously, the fact that you see no red flags to bbt is concerning but if bbt is scum I highly doubt he calls out a teammate to vote on me. Who is creature you speak of?

On another not the next two days I'm gone for work and most likely won't be able to defend myself if I'm L-1... So ill just say that I'm vanilla town, if town needs to lynch me to prove my point so, whatever as long as it helps us win and out the scum.

[IgnitionUSMC]

I realize my mistake with thinking virt was the vig, but at that point continuing to focus on it detracts from finding scum. Either way, enjoyed playing hopefully town can pull out a victory for us.

Either way I do still feel like backhand, havo, and love are town

I feel that cloud is just been back and forth not helping town more than helping

I feel like bbt and fykus are scum and have pushed on me because I'm right. Gg

[IgnitionUSMC]

Gg all. Hope town does better D3. Trying to find scum isn't sheeping