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I think WhyMafia will never be confirmable as town, but always will be most definitely a possible scum since Miller is a safe scum claim. This is the perfect D1 lynch.
My prediction is that this push will be seen as scummy by our scumlords and that today's discussion will revolve around WhyMafia, Me, and whoever Robbnva fixates on, and tomorrow will be about WhyMafia's wagon.-
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Tornaga's right. This will be two long weeks. I'm not going to lynch him today, but I want to place a stagnating L-2 wagon on him. If he's scum, people will try to protect the slot as much as possible. If he's town, no problem.
Toranaga's not looking at the big picture. If there's a Miller, there's possibly an investigative element to the game. If we can't flip it for that investigative role today, we will never confirm the slot. Scum will always want to keep this guy alive because it throws off that investigative role. Eventually, we'll be in LYLO and we will have this huge obstacle in the way. Better lynch him now that deal with that damage later.
[quote=Thor665]You mean like you did?[/quote]
SURE. GO WITH THAT. THE PERSON WHO PUSHES FOR HIS LYNCH ASAP IS THE PARTNER. lmao-
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Tornaga's right. This will be two long weeks. I'm not going to lynch him today or next week, but I want to place a stagnating L-2 wagon on him until before deadline. If he's scum, people will try to protect the slot as much as possible. If he's town, no problem.
Toranaga's not looking at the big picture. If there's a Miller, there's possibly an investigative element to the game. If we can't flip it for that investigative role today, we will never confirm the slot. Scum will always want to keep this guy alive because it throws off that investigative role. Eventually, we'll be in LYLO and we will have this huge obstacle in the way. Better lynch him now that deal with that damage later.
SURE. GO WITH THAT. THE PERSON WHO PUSHES FOR HIS LYNCH ASAP IS THE PARTNER. lmaoThor665 wrote:You mean like you did?-
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1. Those two are just links (one of them are even on-going) with no decisive suggestion that your meta-analysis of him is definite.
2. Can't see a town angle where it's easy it is for you to be convinced of him as someone who doesn't use gambits. Gambits are supposed to be occasional after all.
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3. Meta is garbage anyway.
This Miller is scum or it's a scum-helping role, regardless of alignment. We should lynch it.-
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Meta is garbage! Playstyles switch, people can claim that something is someone's meta, and new players with no experience to that someone will not gather accurate results—but will likely get conf-biased opinions because there's already a suggestion. Anyway, let's not turn this into a discussion of meta. Build that wagon now—Respond to my posts if you do not want to vote WhyMafia.-
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Meta is unreliable. Instead, let's do what's logical for this game and what we think is true. I don't believe in the Miller claim, and I'm inclined to believe that it's beneficial for town to lynch WhyMafia even if the claim rings true.
The assumption that this is a tunnel vision is wrong. This is a calculated vote that I'm willing to vote while looking around the wagon.Toranaga wrote:Only scum benefits from tunnel vision and only scum benefits from lynching a town player.
I don't agree with any of this. Scum benefits strongly from retaining the miller D1 because it will throw off investigative roles and will cast a reasonable doubt to WhyMafia's slot, if town. Instead, I expect the mafia to turn on WhyMafia near LyLo or at LyLo. But everything about it will be WIFOM then. If we lynch WhyMafia now, we gain information plus we can discuss whatevs it is that happened around his lynch. This is the best way to win this.Toranaga wrote:On that subject, scum benefits strongly from lynching the miller d1, and defending that slot for 'pocketing' and 'town cred' is literally villa siding play.
Not flexible. Will almost always try to lynch you today.WhyMafia wrote:And then I'm confused by the second part. It seems weird considering the first part. It's like he wants to push me, be wants to seem flexible for town cred. Then same with the thing with the invest. I claimed so it doesn't throw off the invest. How will it throw it off? Seems like a lazy way to justify a lynch. Then so what if it doesn't confirm me? Nobody is fully confirmed until their flip, why does it apply to me instead of a VT that doesn't get invested.
It will throw off the invest because he will not benefit from an unconfirmable slot that has not flipped yet—but the scum will.
Because you'll be a black hole with all the reasonable shade you have around you.WhyMafia wrote:Then so what if it doesn't confirm me? Nobody is fully confirmed until their flip, why does it apply to me instead of a VT that doesn't get invested.-
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I still think a WhyMafia lynch will happen sooner or later. But it should be happening now. Yes, for the same reasons. I get why you guys don't want to lynch WhyMaf—fine. I think it's best to have him interact with others and scumhunt first. I disagree that it's not likely for him to be mafia just because of the Miller claim. So moving forward, I'm gonna base my vote to the ruckus that has been happening. But before that, question and answers:
BlueBloodedToffee
Do you want me at L-1 because you think I'm scum? Why?
WhyMafia
I want an L-2 wagon on you because I want you to become the center of discussion. Deadline will not scramble because we are not dividing our attention to multiple candidates. Your wagon will be the source of wagon analysis. Your scumread on me is heavy on assumptions, and I can only see that it's a natural OMGUS reaction to my aggressive push. Or do you disagree?
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Who do you think is scum at this point, then?
Can't give you a number from 1- 10 as that's bullshitting. I can just say that you're who I want to lynch now.
Fykus
Why are you sussing on rob and I?
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Who do you think is scum at this point?
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#111
"@HEM: Do you think WM is scum? Or are you pushing a policy lynch on him? Similarly, do you actually want to lynch him today?"
Not overwhelmingly. It's a policy lynch, technically. I want him out so we don't have to deal with the slot later, and then analyze based on what happened to the slot later. I think it's because scum would advocate for his survival to the point of LYLO, where it would be too late.
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Do you think people with the same reads as you do is town?
Right now, even without looking at his other horrible posts, #116 and #118 is basically screaming scum for Havo. But I'm not really into the game yet now so I'll probably get back at this with a longer post.-
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You were flip-floppy about it tho, and that's what pinged me the most. You looked like as if you wanted to open an opportunity to jump on that wagon if it forms, but you also don't want to be obvious. Even when you said that he could be town, you said "for now." That's how I read your post about it.-
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I think Havo's claim could be town. Not much can be said about his performance so far tho. In my experience as a PR, I claimed prematurely under pressure—but that's because there were only 12 hours before deadline. I don't have much experience but I think the motivation for an obvious soft-claim should be the one in scrutiny here. Is that scum or is that town? I can't trust my judgment right now but I think it's town.-
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VOTE: Havo
Outing yourself as a Loyal Town Cop (not just a Cop, with full prefix and modifiers), but refusing to tell us what's the specifics for your role? Ah.
If you want people out of this wagon, you should begin to explain why a Loyal Town Cop is a perfect fit with a Miller. If you even make the slightest sense, I'll reconsider.-
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I like this. This is how we'll play it.In post 432, Fykus wrote:We have to wait til tomorrow when hes inevitably not nightkilled and gives us a guilty result on someone that may not be a guilty cause scum might have a rb or jk-
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So how would that mix well with a Miller? You claimed that it explains the Miller role and that you think it points to the conclusion that he's town. How could it be?
I'll sort Sergtacos later when I'm done figuring out what to do with Havo. For now, it's enough that if Havo is scum—Mulch is town, WhyMafia is probably town. We should lynch in this fashion:
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Havo alive ---> Havo reveals investigation results for someone else. Lynch Havo. Havo flips cop, we base our lynch for who to vote next based on information and analysis.
Havo alive ---> Havo "reveals" investigation results for someone else. Lynch Havo. Havo flips scum, Mulch is town, WhyMafia is town. We analyze who to vote for next.
Havo dead, Havo flips cop ---> We analyze who to vote for next.
So scum has extra incentive to kill Havo if he's cop because we're likely to confirm and narrow down then.
Oh and I've seen town players concede that longer days = scum advantage, so Mulch might be wrong to suggest that 48 hours in the game, it's not a scum-claim.-
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"He hardclaimed already and so far no one has counterclaimed."
Sergtacos, sometimes dissent is a form of soft counterclaim. Sometimes. I'm not hinting that it's happening right now.
"Yeah, and here's the problem.
They should be lynched everytime and eventually they'll stop doing Anti-town shit."
Hmmm... no. You should not lynch people you think is anti-town. You should lynch people you think is scum. You pushing for Mulch is an LHF attack with no actual efforts to gamesolve. And I'm not seeing gamesolving too on your part even if there's been 17 pages worth of content here. The hours don't count, it's the content that has been dished. I think it's enough for you to actually gamesolve on your part.
You have one day to play as town. Make use.-
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Don't you think that if the Miller is part of your "faction" (alignment. it's weird that the word faction would be used here.), you'll still get regular results regardless? It's a Miller. Now do you see why your claim does not make sense?
"Not all the time but yeah xD lmao our newbie game. jesus christ that game was fucking awful."
Not really. It wasn't awful. You just got played, boi.
"I'll start game solving in 3 days,
You don't get to tell me how to play, you are Mulch either one."
Really? You'll start gamesolving in 3 days when there's sure to be 30 pages more of this thread based on how we're going about it in 48 hours? So isn't sharing information to the town an anti-town action then? I'm not telling you how to play. However, there's a mandate on how to play as town and you're not doing a good job at it. The fact that you're calling for a Mulch lynch for anti-town action is frankly hilarious when you're terribly anti-town (and most probably scum) yourself.-
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Serg, read into Havo's claim and think real hard. Does it make sense? Inherently—as in setup speculation. Tell me what you think about that. Next, is he consistent with what he sees as scummy and his behavior? Tell me what you think about that, too. Next, do you think it makes more sense that Mulch is scum vs any other players in this thread? If Mulch is the lesser option, then why are you not picking that person? Tell me what you think about that, too. Me? I suggest you follow my strategy on how to sort Havo. Find someone else to look at. I don't think Mulch is logically scummy if he's pushing for CopHavo's lynch this openly. If you believe Havo's claim, the job is done for scum. They flipped a PR role. The scum you're looking for is likely outside of Havo's wagon.-
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Yes. And also in the game, I was in with him when he was town and I was scum. If you can't follow his logic, it's NAI.
Meta is garbage, anyway. In as much as it's unreliable. You don't conclude just because of meta. But it's still important information.
"I will let other people see for themselves who comes out looking better." - Mulch
^^Scummy. Every time I hear this, it's always scum.-
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Mulch, just trust me then because I'm too lazy to search my past and ongoing games for similar quotes. But every time someone "leaves it to the crowd who's scummy and who isn't" after a multi-page tunnel-argument, it's from scum.
Tornaga, if you read what he paraphrased the utility of his role, it doesn't make sense with the miller claim. The miller returns as a mafia, while the loyal cop only tells who doesn't belong to the alignment. The miller belongs to this alignment anyway, so normal cop would have been more than okay. I don't think the setup would have been approved otherwise but I'm in no authority to say that. Just that it's not logical.
Also, I played enough where meta has proven to be garbage. So leave me alone in that department.
Also, in real life, when I lie, I tend to be specific too.-
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