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[Sammich]

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[Sammich]

Good for nothing html codes...
I rolled a dice in real life.

Vote Sammich

[Sammich]

What the heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeellllllllllllllllllllllllll?

unvote

[Sammich]

How come we're metagaming on page 2?
D:
Is mafiaplayer a jester.

[Sammich]

Blah blah blah, if everyone thought that JDodge would be spamming goatse.

[quote=Mafiaplayer]Okay, I roleclaim vanilla townie.[/quote]

I guess I can vouch for him because I just got called a townie in my role pm.

It's been a while since I had a night start, I'm having fun.

[Sammich]

The second player is Sammich.
1. He used a dice for the random vote (Which has its flaws), but he did it outside the game. And he wound up voting himself. WTF?
2. Mafiaplayer claimed on P1 (Post 5). After four posts, he vouches for him in his fifth (Post 54). What took you so long? Why did you do it in the first place? Assuming you're town (Which is just to prove a point. I'm not saying you're town), what makes you, as vanilla, able to vouch for a player?
3. In the same post, your words were: "I guess I can vouch for him because I just got called a townie in my role pm". Here's a quote from the first post, the one on which the mod posted the Townie's role PM:

As a

Townsperson

you have no special abilities besides your wits and your vote. Use them well.

If the PM says Townsperson, why did you get one saying you're a townie?

I want the questions answered. Ignoring them won't help you.

The first question isn't really a question, you can blame that on faulty HTML code.
The second, jeruubbal's post about Mafiaplayer's rolename was on the 3rd, mine was 2 days afterwards, I wasn't on the fourth, why are you indicating a day's lack of reply is so long?
Third, I don't know, I shortened it, use that as a tell as you want, I deleted my PMs 3 days ago.

[Sammich]

The whole reason jerubbaal asked for the name was to make sure he was telling the truth, by making sure he's not making it up. You fell to the trap.
Erasing your PM isn't an excuse. There's a copy of the vanilla role PM in the mod's post.

Jerubbaal set a trap?

I don't know, I just don't know. I screwed up.

You completely misunderstood Y's post. He said he read your explanation and that you answered the question (Posed 4 or 5 times...), but now Sammich has no real excuse for claiming. He ain't questioning you, hes questioning Sammich. He did, however, call your move stupid, which I agree with completely.

He's questioning or at least targeting mafiaplayer in the beginning of post #67.

You know, it's bad enough that mafiaplayer isn't doing shit, but Imat, who was a few posts before going on about the claiming and making a big fuss, cooled down just like that. I don't know about you but I saw that as a flip flop.

I don't see the Y/Near scumteam either.

[Sammich]

Sammich: I still want to know how do you know Mafiaplayer's real role.
I have a theory about that claim, but I want you to answer first.

At first I just was overwhelmed by the action (last time I had a night start I was replaced, and it didn't go to well), I felt that there were probably better scumhunting targets than Mafiaplayer and I still think that. I don't like tunnel vision.

On the other hand, Near isn't helping any with his wishy-washy voting, and I don't mean it just because he's voting me.

FoS Incognito

too, at one point he urges Lowell to vote Near, then berates him for falling into his trap. Or it was sarcasm, in which I substitute that FoS and place it on

Lowell

for just following Incognito around like a lost dog or something.

[Sammich]

At first I just was overwhelmed by the action (last time I had a night start I was replaced, and it didn't go to well), I felt that there were probably better scumhunting targets than Mafiaplayer and I still think that. I don't like tunnel vision.

So it appears you won't answer it...

Won't?
More like not giving you the right anwsers, maybe?
You know I answered it.

[Sammich]

I'm not voting for Mafiaplayer-yet. It's called good faith.
ReyoX can make all the fuss he wants, if he hasn't broken the rules he could simply post "I think ___ is a mudkip" over and over again.
Unless MP is 100% useless, I still don't like lynching somebody just because he's annoying.

Besides, at least he's sparking discussion.

[Sammich]

There is a difference between sparking useful discussion and useless discussion. Besides, in terms of usefully, I would give MP a negative. Thats why I want him to be replaced, not lynched.

Oh I see.
But I don't think that based on plain usefullness/helpfulness/cooperation I would replace MP. It really depends on the mod's whims.

I predict Near's lynch in about three pages.

Yeah, well you need to do a little less predicting and a little more convincing me to why Near deserves my vote, bub.

[Sammich]

Sammich: for reasons stated before by me and other people

Lolwut?
Please be fair and give me a proper suspicion too.

[Sammich]

- your rolling dice in real game. and voting for urself. IMO, the probability of your being a townie AND getting the dice result to vote for yourself (1/11) is very small that it makes me think that probability of your being scum
AND rigging the dice result to vote for yourself in order to show us that you are "fair" is significantly higher.
- BTW, how did you roll the dice when there were 11 people you had to randomly pick?

In real game and voting for myself. Lolwut? But, it's not very easy to get a twelve sided dice in real life. It wasn't even a whole dice roll, per se. What I did was this.

1. Take two six sided dice. Dice one represents players one through five: Mafiaplayer, Incognito, Lowell, XReyoX, and myself. The sixth number on the die would indicate a reroll. Dice two represented thephantom, the catherder, Fat Tony, Imat, jerubbaal, and you, Near.

The odds of me being picked was actually 1 out of five players, but I wasn't shooting for that.

I rolled dice one and got the reroll number, odds of so being one out of six, even odds. Dice one rolled again got me, as you might think by now. The odds of me getting picked was one out of five players, and one out of six possible choices.

Dice two was an easier feat, and it rolled Imat. Right now that was one out of six possible choices, and the odds of him being picked were pretty average being that every player had one bid.

Rolling a dice that would've had more rerolls than players would've been stupid, so I took this to a simple heads or tails coin flip. Imat was heads, I was tails. It was even odds, entirely fair at 50/50. So, I flipped, and it came up tails.

Believe this story or not, there's not enough proof I rigged it IMO. Anybody can simply go offline and fabricate a story like this but who would really vote for themselves anyway?

- for vouching for mafia player

Already discussed.

[Sammich]

Well, I could be wrong and he actually rolled the dice, but I find that hard to believe.

The point I'm trying to make is that I highly doubt sammich rolled the dice.

Look at the time difference between the post where he messed up the code and the post where he said he rolled a dice and vote for himself.

Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 4:04 pm Post subject: 10
Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 4:05 pm Post subject: 11

1 minute.

So. in 1 minute, he
1) messed up the code and decide to do it manually
2) find 2 dice and a coin
3) assign 11 people and a reroll to each number
4) roll dice 1
5) reroll dice 1 again
6) flip a coin
7) look down and see what he has got
8) type out his next post and submit it.

Yes.

But if you really think I was trying to do this to make me seem "fair", why? In a night start? Voting myself in a night start? Does that make any sense?

Vote Sammich

There, does that make it seem like I'm trying to be fair?

On another note, you might as well ask the other players why they voted randomly. Incognito, why did you vote Lowell just because he's a millimeter above your name?

=/

[Sammich]

If its a joke vote, admit that it's a joke vote. Don't try do make something up later on in the game so that you seem innocent. It doesn't work. I don't like lying town. Voting yourself doesn't make you a town either. What has a night start got to do with voting yourself anyway?

Fine it was a joke vote.

[Sammich]

Sammich: Was the die roll made up?

No.
But if you look at it out of context I could've rerolled again instead of posting the result.
Besides, I thought it would lighten the situation.

- Finally, he admitted that he was lying - once it became apparent to him that it was impossible for him to sell us his fabricated story.

Well apparently I'm still selling it, I don't think you bullying the case around has been as effective as you're giving it credit for.

[Sammich]

Anyway, even if I I can believe that you only admitted this because you thought not doing so would put you in a danger of getting lynched, STILL, i do not believe you rolled the dice in real life. It's just so unlikely. Since, everyone thinks we should let go of this dice incident, here are my final sets of questions for Sammich. Upon your satisfactory answer, I will let go of this incident. Sammich, please answer:

1. Did you roll the dice in real life?
2. If yes, is your post at #175 an accurate description of what happened?
3. How did you remember which pip on the dice represented who? Did you write this down?

Actually I have one more question after this. But I want to wait for your answers to above first. THanks.

Yes, yes, and no, short term memory is a good thing.

[Sammich]

Surely Near has something other to base is play on other than dice rolling?

Unvote

Near, attacking another player to shift suspicion from yourself isn't a very good defense. Tsk tsk.

Fos

for you while I'm still enjoying the weekend.

[Sammich]

Sammich:
I'm sorry if I've missed your answer somewhere. Why did you claim, why do you think that it was a good time to claim townie and what made you think you want to vouch for mafiaplayer because you are a townie.

At first I just was overwhelmed by the action (last time I had a night start I was replaced, and it didn't go to well), I felt that there were probably better scumhunting targets than Mafiaplayer and I still think that. I don't like tunnel vision.

/facepalm

[Sammich]

I don't follow you near. What question did you ask?

[Sammich]

I got more negative comments for pursuing this "useless" dice-roll incident than I received support. I am pursuing this because I think this is relevant.

Why the heck isn't Sammich answering my questions? Why is he not answering anyone else's questions?

Maybe because I have other things to do than sit at the computer and speculate about some user rolling a dice?

I will get back to you all friday. I have some family business to attend to.