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Mulch · Sun Sep 17, 2017 11:10 am

No, I know exactly what your trying to say. Your trying to say that because I think Maria is scummy, it's bad to go on a wagon they start, right?

Mulch · Sun Sep 17, 2017 11:35 am

That's true. Probably best to stay on Maria just for unity sake. Although, at this point I'm actually slightly scumreading misere more.

Mulch · Sun Sep 17, 2017 11:51 am

In post 993, Chip Butty wrote:i jumped off because people i think are scum followed me on.

Mulch · Sun Sep 17, 2017 11:51 am

In post 992, Chip Butty wrote:
In post 990, Mulch wrote:That's true. Probably best to stay on Maria just for unity sake. Although, at this point I'm actually slightly scumreading misere more.
Why?

Their vote was scummy and their catchup seemed like it was trying to pocket me

Mulch · Sun Sep 17, 2017 2:51 pm

In post 1007, skitter30 wrote:
In post 923, Mulch wrote:We have 7 days. What's so wrong about thinking to have a Misere wagon?
It's gross because your scumread started the wagon, is the only vote on the wagon, and you want to vote there anyways.

I explained in detail why this was wrong. Did you miss it? Or are you ignoring it?

Mulch · Sun Sep 17, 2017 2:51 pm

WhyMaf that's a bad vote if BBT flips town

Mulch · Sun Sep 17, 2017 5:27 pm

I think Virt fucked up badly

Mulch · Sun Sep 17, 2017 5:27 pm

Thor's vote isn't there...

Mulch · Sun Sep 17, 2017 5:28 pm

Welp guess we're getting an early flip

Mulch · Sun Sep 17, 2017 5:37 pm

Mulch: 691
Chip: 710
Toffee:769
Miseré: 788
Thor: 907
Skitter: 1002
Fykus:1017

Why hasn't anybody noticed this yet?

Mulch · Sun Sep 17, 2017 5:48 pm

You were town?

Mulch · Sun Sep 17, 2017 5:49 pm

I'm really sorry Maria

Mulch · Sun Sep 17, 2017 5:52 pm

I guess :/

Mulch · Sun Sep 17, 2017 5:52 pm

lol you get spoilers now

Mulch · Wed Sep 20, 2017 7:58 am

VOTE: misere

I’m like decently confident they flip scum

Mulch · Wed Sep 20, 2017 8:02 am

In post 1063, Toranaga wrote:
In post 1061, Chip Butty wrote:
In post 1051, Chip Butty wrote:Celine Dion? Really?
Tora, you're just attacking me because I questioned Celine Dion, aren't you? I bet you're a big fan of Mariah Carey and Rick Astley too.
I'm grilling your posting cause it's not showing any skepticism in people who tried wagoning and lynching the flipped town cop. this is not townie of you.

I wasn’t considering it either, I can’t blame others for wagoning him when he played so badly. Chip may be scum but I really think misere flips red.

Mulch · Wed Sep 20, 2017 8:03 am

In post 1060, Thor665 wrote:
In post 1058, Chip Butty wrote:And I'm not taking blame for Havo's play. Even his hardclaim came way before intent. None of that was necessary. He played like scum and paid the price.

So bottle the mock outrage, huh?
Just so long as you take the blame for your own play

VOTE: Skitter

I'd like to do this now.
Same case as yesterday, but now with more VCA slots filled in so Mulch can whine about it, but not as soundly

I’m not going to oppose a skitter wagon , they pushed aggressively on two flipped town.

Mulch · Wed Sep 20, 2017 8:06 am

In post 1067, Toranaga wrote:Mulch you were as anti town as chip butty was and you two were the worst of the people pushing Havo. he did not play poorly!

I mean, in hindsight I was playing anti town, but only because he flipped town

Mulch · Wed Sep 20, 2017 8:10 am

@whymafia

Did you get my gift last night?

Mulch · Wed Sep 20, 2017 8:14 am

In post 1070, Thor665 wrote:Why is in not possible for both Havo to have played poorly. and people insisting on a claim after a soft to have played badly all as one combined bad jelly sandwich?

In other news, I'm okay with the Misere wagon, but why push on that over Skitter?

Misere sort of blatantly tried to pocket me and their vote on Maria was the worst. Skitter has a bad track record with pushes but their posts are fairly decent.

Like, I’m at a large % chance that misere flips scum.

Mulch · Wed Sep 20, 2017 8:17 am

641
788

Mulch · Wed Sep 20, 2017 8:19 am

I really hope I wasn’t roleblocked last night

Mulch · Wed Sep 20, 2017 1:04 pm

In post 1084, WhyMafia wrote:Holy mother of fuckery what was that quicklynch

WhyMafia did you receive my gift

Mulch · Wed Sep 20, 2017 1:05 pm

I would look it up on the wiki and then you'll get the gist of it

Mulch · Wed Sep 20, 2017 3:13 pm

In post 1089, Sergtacos wrote:
In post 1086, WhyMafia wrote:
In post 1069, Mulch wrote:
@whymafia

Did you get my gift last night?
yes but i have no idea what it does
What gift?

Why do you want to know?

Mulch · Wed Sep 20, 2017 3:19 pm

In post 1091, Sergtacos wrote:
In post 1074, Mulch wrote:I really hope I wasn’t roleblocked last night
Soft claimed? I think this is bullshit.

VOTE: Mulch

VOTE: Sergetacos

Mulch · Wed Sep 20, 2017 3:19 pm

In post 1093, Mulch wrote:
In post 1091, Sergtacos wrote:
In post 1074, Mulch wrote:I really hope I wasn’t roleblocked last night
Soft claimed? I think this is bullshit.

VOTE: Mulch
VOTE: Sergetacos

I legitimately can't see how someonen could think this is bullshit *shrug*

Mulch · Wed Sep 20, 2017 3:22 pm

In post 1096, Toranaga wrote:hey mulch, isn't the policy 'hardclaim or die'?

This is a special circumstance cause I hardclaimed already to WhyMafia. So he can hold me accountable for any actions that I could switch up my claim.

Mulch · Wed Sep 20, 2017 3:22 pm

UNVOTE: Sergetacos

I guess I can see him pushing me because of my softclaim actions before. My bad

VOTE: Miseré

Mulch · Wed Sep 20, 2017 3:23 pm

In post 1099, Sergtacos wrote:
In post 1096, Toranaga wrote:hey mulch, isn't the policy 'hardclaim or die'?
Since he won't hardclaim, guess he should die, according to his laws.

I did hardclaim to whymafia already so I have to take responsbility for my claim

Mulch · Wed Sep 20, 2017 3:23 pm

In post 1101, Sergtacos wrote:
In post 1098, Mulch wrote:
In post 1096, Toranaga wrote:hey mulch, isn't the policy 'hardclaim or die'?
This is a special circumstance cause I hardclaimed already to WhyMafia. So he can hold me accountable for any actions that I could switch up my claim.
Then we wait for whymafia.

He already confirmed it..

Mulch · Wed Sep 20, 2017 3:23 pm

In post 1104, Sergtacos wrote:
In post 1102, Mulch wrote:
In post 1099, Sergtacos wrote:
In post 1096, Toranaga wrote:hey mulch, isn't the policy 'hardclaim or die'?
Since he won't hardclaim, guess he should die, according to his laws.
I did hardclaim to whymafia already so I have to take responsbility for my claim
Waiting

He already confirmed it dude

Mulch · Wed Sep 20, 2017 3:25 pm

He does know what it is. He can look it up on the wiki. I;m allowed to softclaim because WhyMafia can hold me accountable for anything that would deviate from it

Mulch · Thu Sep 21, 2017 6:25 pm

Let's get some Miseré votes peeps. Or at the very least some more skitter ones

Mulch · Thu Sep 21, 2017 6:29 pm

In post 1072, Mulch wrote:641
788

641 was really pockety of me and 788 was the worst vote on the wagon

Mulch · Thu Sep 21, 2017 6:31 pm

641 was also really surface level and not analyzitical

Mulch · Thu Sep 21, 2017 6:37 pm

Checking timestamps

Mulch · Thu Sep 21, 2017 6:41 pm

Skitter votes Havo- 6:35
Havo softs- 6:40
Skitter next post: 6:43
Skitter says they missed it: 7:40ish?

Ehh...it's a little weird I guess. I mean Skitter makes big posts so it's not inconceivable that they made a big post, and then took 7 minutes to write their next post and didn't check the ninjas. But I guess it's something to consider

Mulch · Sat Sep 23, 2017 5:21 pm

In post 1238, WhyMafia wrote:I feel like as town he'd be behaving differently

Why

Mulch · Sat Sep 23, 2017 5:24 pm

In post 1179, Toranaga wrote:
In post 1176, Chip Butty wrote:
In post 1173, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Just found it strange how Chip went from wanting to lynch me to not being concerned about me.

He didn't answer how that changed and instead just waffled about playstyle.
All right then. I thought maybe you're playing the way you are because you're a PR and i didn't want to probe too hard. Happy?
hahahaha

the cop is dead. you helped getting him outed. you specifically did this after he softed a PR. we also have a miller claim and mulch sends ITEMS, now you think BBT is a PR? and that's how you're starting to actually town read him, although ofc you're villagery enough to 'retain doubts about' him. very inquisitive.

BBT is playing in a way that actually brings attention to himself as suspicious and should get him wagoned and lynched, and you're town PR reading that slot!

Nah, these aren't comparable situations. Havo did a bullshit soft and Chip pushed him to hardclaim so he would assume responsbility for his claim (rightly). That dosen't mean that he dosen't care about outting power roles.

Mulch · Sat Sep 23, 2017 5:27 pm

I dislike your push on Chip, Tor. I don't like your confidence level where you said he "must be scum". I think it could have easily been interpreted that you were townreading him because you kept saying how bad he was as a player, which implies that you think he was bad town rather than scum and that you could be scum pushing on the fact that you didn't *technically* push on him.

On the other hand, I think Blue had good awareness noting the read change and I would actually like Chip's response except I don't understand why his thought about him being a PR didn't occur to him except at that moment? I had been thinking about it the entire game, so...

Mulch · Sat Sep 23, 2017 5:28 pm

In post 1182, Toranaga wrote:nothing you did in this game was townie or pro-town at any point.

Aren't you skilled enough to differentiate between town indicative and pro-town?

Mulch · Sat Sep 23, 2017 5:31 pm

In post 1190, Toranaga wrote:why didn't you just leave him alone to see if he drawed a night kill or not?

This is obvious, so that if he was scum he woulden't be able to make up a random claim later...this has been explained multiple times and it's worrysome that you aren't comprehending this

Mulch · Sat Sep 23, 2017 5:33 pm

In post 1221, humaneatingmonkey wrote:whose Miller role is basically confirmed by Havo's role modification

Weren't you the one saying day 1 that they didn't neccecarily have to go together?

What's your reaction to having one of your top scumreads nightkilled?

Mulch · Sat Sep 23, 2017 5:34 pm

In post 1227, Chip Butty wrote:I think in the light of the Havo and MariaR flips, skitter is my leading scumpick, but yeah one or both of Fykus / Toranaga could be scum. Misere also a possibility.

Why aren't you voting them if they are your top scum then?

And I think Miseré has more than a good chance to flip red. What's your thoughts on what I've posted on them?

Mulch · Sat Sep 23, 2017 5:35 pm

I want more Miseré votes. Fykus isn't the worst wagon in the world but I don't see how anyone can be townreading Miseré right now...

Mulch · Sat Sep 23, 2017 5:57 pm

In post 1247, humaneatingmonkey wrote:WhyMafia as scum wouldn't have predicted that this setup had something that can even remotely validate a Miller claim.

I've seen loyal cops without millers, dude

Mulch · Sat Sep 23, 2017 6:07 pm

In post 1247, humaneatingmonkey wrote:What's your read on Fykus

I think null. He hasn't really...posted anything.

I took a quick look at when he was scum - here- he was able to fake scumhunting fairly well until he was the last one remaining and then he sort of coasted on town versus town fighting until endgame (where I succesfully led a lynch on him).

I did like his Skitter comment cause I don't think it's something that is easily thought of (the timestamp stuff). Other than that he has gone completely under my radar.

On the other hand...Miseré has actually done scummy stuff so *shrug*

Mulch · Sat Sep 23, 2017 6:08 pm

I dislike 991 from Fykus

Mulch · Sat Sep 23, 2017 6:17 pm

To follow up on 1249 the fact that Fykus is lurky etc isn't scum indicative. And nothing has been scummy from him or towny. So null.

Mulch · Sat Sep 23, 2017 6:31 pm

In post 1146, Mulch wrote:
In post 1072, Mulch wrote:641
788

641 was really pockety of me and 788 was the worst vote on the wagon

@Chip

Mulch · Sat Sep 23, 2017 6:46 pm

Let's get a wagon going then. I'm probably more confident than I should be about this

Mulch · Sat Sep 23, 2017 6:50 pm

In post 1261, Chip Butty wrote:
In post 1260, Mulch wrote:Let's get a wagon going then. I'm probably more confident than I should be about this
How about skitter?

That's fine too. I could go for dualing Skitter and Misere wagons

Mulch · Sat Sep 23, 2017 7:26 pm

In post 1264, Toranaga wrote:if it's so obvious when he softclaimed,

When did I say this? Your misrepresenting me. The point was that it wasn't obvious and that's why he needed to hardclaim.

Mulch · Sun Sep 24, 2017 10:22 am

In post 1272, humaneatingmonkey wrote:
In post 1248, Mulch wrote:
In post 1247, humaneatingmonkey wrote:WhyMafia as scum wouldn't have predicted that this setup had something that can even remotely validate a Miller claim.
I've seen loyal cops without millers, dude
If you're leading me to a belief that WhyMafia is scum and that he claimed Miller blindly, I will disagree with you and question your motives for it. Especially when you were a staunch supporter back when he claimed.

In post 1249, Mulch wrote:
In post 1247, humaneatingmonkey wrote:What's your read on Fykus
I think null. He hasn't really...posted anything.

....

On the other hand...Miseré has actually done scummy stuff so *shrug*
You call Fykus as someone who
hasn't really posted anything

null
when Misere—whose five out of
ten posts
gives off a town vibe—scum. Are you vote parking on the inactive so you look like you're scumhunting when in fact you're not scumhunting at all?

*shrug*

Whymafia is likely town but not because of the existence of a role cop.

Fykus has a history of this as town , and hasn’t actually said anything scummy, while misere actually has done scummy things. What’s this “town vibe” ?

Mulch · Sun Sep 24, 2017 10:45 am

In post 1257, Mulch wrote:
In post 1146, Mulch wrote:
In post 1072, Mulch wrote:641
788

641 was really pockety of me and 788 was the worst vote on the wagon

@Chip

@whymafia

Mulch · Sun Sep 24, 2017 11:51 am

Where

Mulch · Sun Sep 24, 2017 11:55 am

VOTE: toranga

Not a scumslip but a caught lie, yes

Mulch · Sun Sep 24, 2017 2:59 pm

How was there "no case" against Havo when he was the leading wagon and you were in it? Right now we aren't talking about pressuring or hardclaiming, we are talking about, well, a lie you did.

Mulch · Sun Sep 24, 2017 3:00 pm

oh, ok. The timing

Mulch · Sun Sep 24, 2017 3:01 pm

I guess you can hold ground to say that if you really did leave and people put him to L-1. If that's true, which I'm just gonna assume is true.

VOTE: Miseré

You probably didn't need to claim. That reasoning was pretty much good enough to refute the lie which was the only reason I voted you

Mulch · Sun Sep 24, 2017 3:01 pm

In post 1318, humaneatingmonkey wrote:Why investigate Fykus?

They were a scumread? Thats a pretty bad question

Mulch · Sun Sep 24, 2017 3:11 pm

In post 1321, Toranaga wrote:nd mulch conveniently 'realised' it was the hammer vote 30 minutes later

Yeah, because I was looking for thor's vote...there was nothing 'convenient' about it...
'

Mulch · Sun Sep 24, 2017 3:14 pm

In post 1322, humaneatingmonkey wrote:Why are you letting this go?

Cause it makes sense that they were taken by surprise by the sudden wagon

Mulch · Sun Sep 24, 2017 3:26 pm

In post 1339, humaneatingmonkey wrote:
@Mod, what happens when Trackers track Millers?

Mulch · Mon Sep 25, 2017 4:13 pm

Let’s lynch misere

Mulch · Mon Sep 25, 2017 4:30 pm

He refuted it tho

Mulch · Mon Sep 25, 2017 4:37 pm

Not reading that wall but why am I scummy?And why is misere only null?

Mulch · Mon Sep 25, 2017 4:38 pm

In post 1281, Mulch wrote:
In post 1257, Mulch wrote:
In post 1146, Mulch wrote:
In post 1072, Mulch wrote:641
788

641 was really pockety of me and 788 was the worst vote on the wagon

@Chip

@whymafia

For the last fucking time this is why misere is scummy

Mulch · Mon Sep 25, 2017 4:42 pm

It’s probably really bad if i don’t read that wall but I’m too tired to do it tonight lol

Mulch · Tue Sep 26, 2017 12:48 pm

First things first: why are people role fishing my role?

Mulch · Tue Sep 26, 2017 12:49 pm

I never said I was a fruit vendor. I might not be. Only whymafia knows what items I give.

Mulch · Tue Sep 26, 2017 12:50 pm

I have a lot of problems with what Tor has posted

Mulch · Tue Sep 26, 2017 12:50 pm

I need to parse if it's wrong or scum though. I'll show you what I mean when I get on a computer

Mulch · Tue Sep 26, 2017 1:03 pm

In post 1363, skitter30 wrote:Mulch

1064, 1065 - Why do you think misere is scummy? They only have like 10 posts and I like them. Better question, why are you so *confident* about this?
1068 - ???. This post is just weird and I don't have the words for why atm. I'll try to figure it out.
1150 - This basically. I was responding to something else he said and didn't see that post in the ninjas. When I came back to the thread everyone was talking about him softing and I was confused af cuz I missed it
1241 - this was chip's talking point, interesting. I also think tora's been pushing chip the most so he'd get a lot of the flak of a chip townflip, so I don't think he could cost on 'not technically pushing him'
1242 - I don't get the purpose of this question. It's kinda busywork that looks like analysis but isn't and also undermines Tor's experience
1249 - I still don't get the misere push
1278 - you said you're OK with the fykus push though. why are you soft defending him here?

1. I've said it about 10 times now but their one substantial post had a big effort to pocket me. Their thoughts were all fakeable and shallow and they didn't seem to be analyzing, only looking surface level. They kept complimenting every post I made as if to make me like them. Then, they joined MariaR wagon with the worst vote on the wagon. It made no sense and they never backed it up, which isn't neccecarily a problem but their reasoning for scumreading them in the catchup post was also bad. They thought 103 was bad which was perfectly valid and not the right reason to scumread MariaR.
2. This is a staightforward statement. I was anti-town because I led a lynch on a town. There's nothing weird about that, although I guess I can't really convince you based on a gut read. But it's just that. Nothing more.
3. --
4. --
5. The point of this question wasn't a real 'question' per say. It was a rhetorical question in which I was indicating that Tor was scummy for blending the line between anti-town and scum, something newbs tend to think of as the same but experienced players like them don't. I wasn't trying to analyze or to fake analyze, I was indirectly saying they were scummy.
6. What don't you understand? I don't get it, it's pretty straighforward...
7. Scum are the ones that look at things in black and white. I can be fine with a Fykus push but call out bad points on him. If I was scum I would have an agenda, not as town.

Mulch · Tue Sep 26, 2017 1:12 pm

@Monkey

- 1398- Fykus is null because they haven't done anything that they woulden't normally do as town. It's sad but it's true.

Mulch · Tue Sep 26, 2017 1:12 pm

Guys I am building a Toranga case right now lmao I think their posts are extraoinarily scummy recently. However, I'm not gonna reveal my thoughts until the end, to make it dramatic af

Mulch · Tue Sep 26, 2017 1:19 pm

In post 1588, humaneatingmonkey wrote:
In post 1584, Mulch wrote:
@Monkey
- 1398- Fykus is null because they haven't done anything that they woulden't normally do as town. It's sad but it's true.
You've been with Fykus before?

Tons of time

Mulch · Tue Sep 26, 2017 1:25 pm

Just wait for my points lol

Mulch · Tue Sep 26, 2017 1:51 pm

Things I dislike about Toranga/things I need them to clear up

- Tor respond to this please if you can

0.

The more I think about it, the weirder it is that Tor claimed under basically no pressure. They are a good player. They HARDCLAIMED (someone that has advocated for softclaims in the past) with...3 votes? From someone that is obviously good at this game? I unerstand that some people just crack but it's definitely something to keep in mind. Then again, unless they are scum with Fykus (something not too farfetched as you will see later in this post), their claim sort of matches up with him. Dunno.

1.

I know your an experienced player. How often do you see scum blatantly defending their scumbuddies to the extent that they are adverse to voting them? You know that mafia isn't that simple. 1381 you put me/fykus/chip as a scumteam and base it off the reasoning that it's that we won't vote for each other, while you know this could be that we simply townread each other and the odds of us all being scum together would be astronomically high and dumb af as well.

2.

1383- did you ever actually look at Skitter's actual words? It's so simple to lock someone town because of effort but I want to know what you actually saw in them in terms of analysis that you liked at this moment. It's weird to me that you would say this, and I thought you would be more paranoid about them maybe pocketing you against Chip, especially because they basically copied your exact reasoning in 1364

3.

I really, really dislike 1396. You said that because my Iso was "exclusively pushing town", you 1) shoulden't listen to me. And 2) You were ready to put me as a wagon "ftw." This is bizzare to me that you would take such a close minded principle and let it drastically change your reads. Also, how would you know Miseré is town? I don't believe in perspective slips but it's quite frankly shocking that you would make this presumption especially as you have been pushing them as scum all game. I think that it's possible that if Tor is scum then they spewed Miseré town.

4.

1401. This is WEIRD. they are pushing Fykus all game and then they vaguely hint at a role and now they don't want to lynch them. They were going at it with passion and hunger and were even saying "I desparately want to lynch them." My suspicion with this is that they had already build their mindset around pushing people for the Havo push, and in order to reinforce this they HAD to say "wow, we shoulden't push people who soft claim." because if they DID push for a hardclaim for fykus, which is what town!tor actually does imo because they were hard scumreading him, they would have to admit that the people pushing Havo early game weren't scummy. And therefore losing valuable leverage.

5.

Besides the role fishing (sadly done by town too much), I'm in shock at two basic ideas that they bring out that

directly contradict each other

. First of all, why are they building things on setup spec without even being here for any time... But here we go. Idea 1:

There are too many roles, so Mulch's item giver might be scum or else it would be too much power to town

. Ok, I can see this as a point of view. Its wrong (towns are stacked af here because they are so bad), but I can see it- 1407 btw. But THEN they also say... Fruit Vendor isn't an AI specific role. If a role is AI, it dosne't count towards town power. He's somehow pushing the notion that I am giving too much power to town to be legit AND that I am NAI in one fell swoop. He can't push me on both. It dosen't make SENSE. This is probably the most damning thing that they do imo. It literally cannot cross my mind how they can think my role is too much for town and also NAI for town. Side note: IF I am a fruit vendor, the sole purpose of it is to prove I don't do a nightkill lategame. So it literally makes zero sense for it to be a scum role. It's possible but it's like...not possible.

6.

1420 This is a lie/exagerration/falsehood. There can easily be scum trackers, while I don't even know if a scum fruit vendor has ever even existed. In fact, Giga's game had a scum tracker...

7.

At this point in 1421 Tor has said: I am a likely partner with Fykus. I am a likely partner with Chip. And (spoilers) they would go on to say that I am a likely partner with Skitter. I'm getting the sense they are trying to bullshit any reasoning they possibly can to link me as a fucking partner to anyone.

8.

1430 is a fucking hellacious reach right here. I've never seen worse reasoning in my life and I can't get into their mindset here. Make your own conclusions on this, I don't need to spell out how bad it is (let alone the fact scumslips don't exist). 1432 their confidence level just dosen't fucking match the situation. How can they be this fucking confident I am scum after changing it on a "whim" on reasoningg that I have "pushed town" let alone with a "scumslip" that dosen't exist. This confidence level is so weird relative to their words.

9.

1461 this idiot has it in for me and is determined to do it at all costs, even working with, at this point, someone they were SO SURE WERE SCUM that they called one of their posts a scumslip. Yet they are working with them to lynch me? Remember, I"m going to be a fucking mislynch. I get that working with your scumreads is fine to lynch a harder one. But a SCUMSLIP LEVEL scumread, and you think they can now be town and want to WORK with them? I don't fucking get it. And then 1465 they pander to ME to lynch Chip... and then have what is seeming to be a guise of "thinking" in 1464. Thinking of ways to turn us against each other, I think...

10.

^ Apparently that was a "reaction test". Cmon man...

11.

Somthing that just occured to me and they even brushed on in 1486... I'm not the only one that has been pushing on all town. a shitton of people had been doing it too, LIKE misére and Skitter as they alluded to in this. Yet they have been trying to find every possible excuse for me not to be scum and haven't' even considered it for anyone else. This proves they are confirmation biased on me, although to be fair town do that too. But it's another thing to just keep in mind.

12.

In 1492- how in the world have you identified bluebloodedtoffee as "clean." ? He's literally done nothing allignment indicative the entire game. Very null. As in, by definition null. This reeks of someone trying to twist a narrative to fit their point. And in a scummy way. Their reasoning in 1496 which dosen't even take into account the possibility of bussing and just flat out elimintes pairs by "they voted for each other" is super shallow...

13.

1504 makes sense to me, I can see where they are coming from. Pretty towny PoV actually, except for the fact that they are basing their read on Chip on the fact that I am scum (wrongly), which does 3 things- 1) endears them to Chip 2) Makes Chip want to turn against me because of qualms of "pocketing" and 3) Somehow manages to make it seem like I am scum again for peculiar reason.

Keep in mind: I am town. So every single basic point for Tor has somehow revolved around me being scum for doing something TWO OR THREE OTHER PEOPLE DID, and is trying to manipulate accordingly.

14.

In post 1510, Toranaga wrote:Mulch is scummy. there are plenty posts of his where the tone is off.

Why haven't you brought this up beforehand? Why are you only saying this now? This is probably the second worse post they did because I have phenomanal tone as both town and scum. As town my tone is naturally good and as scum I've been called a sociopath it's that good. My tone is NEVER BAD.

They also in this post push me for the theory disagreement AGAIN and continue and continue to say that me pushing Havo to hardclaim is scummt despite TOWNREADING Chip right now while he did the SAME THING. Unbelievable. They are pushing me as scum while they hard townread someone who did the same thing. They are twisting their fucking narrative to accomplish their agenda. And incredibly, they are still wrong. It was the right move to force him to hardclaim, and I will never back down from this.

15.

1513 is sort of simple but I kind of like it. But... reminder that they called "lock town" to Skitter before. It's such a drastic change. Sure, they could change their mind. But "lock town" to "top scum" just isn't natural... I don't think even I have done that, and I change opinions more than anyone.

16.

They keep talking about the possibility of the mod conf-towning me as if it's a real possibility and they are AFRAID of this happening in 1540 and 1543. First off, why are they thinking this would happen if I'm scum. Second, why are they discouraging Tacos to try it? Shoulden't they be happy if I'm conf-towned? Why are they adverse to this idea and possibility?

17.

In post 1563, Toranaga wrote:His push of Maria is pretty bad around these pages.

This a LIE and TOTAL BULLSHIT.

Third worst point. Lo and behold, look at this;

In post 826, Toranaga wrote:there's some good stuff in 175 from mulch. I like his maria read and it mirrors what I found was scummy of her back when she posted those things.

They LIKED it. Now it's "bad". No.

18.

In post 1563, Toranaga wrote:also interesting to point out that Mulch is doing a lot of reading early on but never gets to read into skitter's L-1 vote on Havo.

Another lie.

I defended Skitter for this, I didn't ignore it. 661. 773

19

And finally, with the newest pair that Tor has manipulated into being with me (third time now in this entire post, and to top it off they haven't even voted me lmao even though all their scum pairs apparently have me in it? Probably because when they flip me they are gonna look bad)...they have uptmost confidence in it just like the others. 1571

Mulch · Tue Sep 26, 2017 1:51 pm

Pagetop look at 1599 PLEASE.

Mulch · Tue Sep 26, 2017 1:52 pm

VOTE: Toranga

Mulch · Tue Sep 26, 2017 2:10 pm

Hello? responses to my entire fucking wall?

Mulch · Tue Sep 26, 2017 2:12 pm

20 points of scummyness. I don't think I'm moving my vote until he explains it. I don't understand how he can explain away 20 points. Literally read it

Mulch · Tue Sep 26, 2017 2:18 pm

Chip I didn't even consider that lol. no wonder they claimed early lol

@Monkey but I'm like super confident that they could be scum. And what's more, they've been scumreading MIsere but never pushing them all game. It's POSSIBLE that they are a scumteam. Not 100%. But maybe.

Mulch · Tue Sep 26, 2017 2:20 pm

I don't care about his hardclaim lol for all we know he could be a scum tracker. Which he claimed can't exist. Which does exist lmao

Mulch · Tue Sep 26, 2017 2:20 pm

Giga's game:

Scum odd night tracker
Town even night watcher

Mulch · Tue Sep 26, 2017 2:22 pm

I mean those 20 points literally contain lies. Not just scummy behavior, lies

Mulch · Tue Sep 26, 2017 2:25 pm

In post 1621, Thor665 wrote:
In post 1619, Mulch wrote:I mean those 20 points literally contain lies. Not just scummy behavior, lies
People keep using the word 'lies' in a way I don't agree with in this game.

Look at points 17-19 lol it is a flat out lie. Look at it. Also, why don't you love my case? You said "if"

Mulch · Tue Sep 26, 2017 2:30 pm

Eyes on the prize: Toranga. Possible scum power role. please. My case is amazing. I know it is. It makes perfect sense. Everything clicks. Stop getting focused on non existent "scumslips"

Mulch · Tue Sep 26, 2017 2:36 pm

they could be a scum tracker, how is that confirmable holy shit

Mulch · Tue Sep 26, 2017 2:36 pm

MY CASE HAS NO HOLES

Mulch · Tue Sep 26, 2017 2:39 pm

In post 1634, humaneatingmonkey wrote:Okay. Let's discuss if
scum
tracker is a likely scenario in this setup. You spearhead this discussion because you know a role that we do not (yours). Is it likely?

Ok. Assuming they are telling the truth.

I think it's a possibility, cause I could be a way to deceive them. It could give me a use besides being confirmable in LyLo. Definitely possibly.

Mulch · Tue Sep 26, 2017 2:42 pm

I don't know man. Uh... I think it depens on if we have another major power role. If we do, then town tracker probably makes sense because I could give them a false guilty, and it gells with the miller. If we don't, then tracker could be a good source of scum power and the setup might be scumsided, so I would want to give them a false guilty. But we can't have a massclaim now, that's super dumb.

Oh and PS they are scum by actions regardless of claim

Mulch · Tue Sep 26, 2017 2:54 pm

Not neccecarily investigative. Just a good source of town power.

Mulch · Tue Sep 26, 2017 3:01 pm

Man... I don't want to say this, but how can you think they are town after my case?

Mulch · Tue Sep 26, 2017 3:10 pm

In post 1648, Toranaga wrote:zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Respond to my posts

Mulch · Tue Sep 26, 2017 3:10 pm

I don't give a fuck how big it is, it was substantiate and your scum

Mulch · Tue Sep 26, 2017 3:11 pm

WOAT REACTION THIS IS SCUM

Mulch · Tue Sep 26, 2017 3:12 pm

They have no response

Mulch · Tue Sep 26, 2017 3:12 pm

In post 1658, Mulch wrote:They have no response

Because there are no holes

Mulch · Tue Sep 26, 2017 3:14 pm

It's not inconsistencies. those aren't neccecarily scummy. It's lies. And wrong point of views. And having an agenda. And manipulation. You better have a good excuse for all fucking twenty points or I'm treating you as confirmed scum because you refuse to respond

Mulch · Tue Sep 26, 2017 3:14 pm

In post 1663, Toranaga wrote:lynch mulch, skitter and HEM after I'm dead.

This is what I say when I'm scum

Mulch · Tue Sep 26, 2017 3:15 pm

In post 1668, Toranaga wrote:I'm allowed to change my views on whatever I want, there you go. 20 points refuted.

That takes care of about 1 out of 20 of them. Read each invididually.

Mulch · Tue Sep 26, 2017 3:17 pm

In post 1673, Toranaga wrote:lynch me, then lynch mulch, then lynch skitter. then figure out which one of HEM, misère and thor is scum.

Bro if your town and acting like this your throwing. Luckily I don't think your town

Mulch · Tue Sep 26, 2017 3:18 pm

In post 1675, Toranaga wrote:
In post 1670, Mulch wrote:
In post 1668, Toranaga wrote:I'm allowed to change my views on whatever I want, there you go. 20 points refuted.
That takes care of about 1 out of 20 of them. Read each invididually.
I'm really just not doing that. lynch me, then you, then skitter. then re-evaluate. your hardpush on me confirms that all you did this entire game was hard push town power roles. if the other players can't see it, I'm not gonna bother.

Are you actually acting like you don't care being lynched? Really?

Mulch · Tue Sep 26, 2017 3:18 pm

If your town PLEASE try to respond to the 20 points and refute them. PLEASE. I'm begging you

Mulch · Tue Sep 26, 2017 3:19 pm

In post 1671, WhyMafia wrote:PRODGE I PROMISE ILL BE ACTIVE TOMORROW
Can someone give me a list of important posts? Fine w/ Toranga wagon, not fine w/ Skitter wagon

Let's go then. Wagooooon go. I think we flip a scum here.

Mulch · Tue Sep 26, 2017 3:19 pm

In post 1678, Toranaga wrote:I'm not throwing anything. I read the whole game, I build my cases. wanna lynch me, go ahead! I'm scummy ain't I, there you go.

but when I'm dead town, LYNCH MULCH, THEN SKITTER, THEN RE EVALUATE. you don't do exactly that, you're a dumbass.

If your town your legit throwing.

Respond to the 20 points

Mulch · Tue Sep 26, 2017 3:21 pm

respond and show how they are shit. Like you did about your "lie" for Havo. I know you respond well to invalid points.

But mine are valid

Mulch · Tue Sep 26, 2017 3:21 pm

In post 1682, Chip Butty wrote:
In post 1674, Mulch wrote:
In post 1673, Toranaga wrote:lynch me, then lynch mulch, then lynch skitter. then figure out which one of HEM, misère and thor is scum.
Bro if your town and acting like this your throwing. Luckily I don't think your town
Lol coming from you...

? When have you seen a town self destruct!mulch game?

Mulch · Tue Sep 26, 2017 3:23 pm

What's wrong with my case. I think I just built the best case I've ever build in my life. Nobody can refute any of them. This is shocking

Mulch · Tue Sep 26, 2017 3:23 pm

In post 1692, WhyMafia wrote:I'm honestly leaning 50/50 on Mulch
Regarding his role, yes I received a fruit last night. I asked mod what it does, but he never answered. I still don't know what the point of my fruit is

Why the hell would you confirm I'm just a fruit vendor. Holy shit, I could have made it seem like it was better than that, because I'm the "original role"... I could have drawn a nightkill. What are you thinking

Mulch · Tue Sep 26, 2017 3:24 pm

In post 1695, WhyMafia wrote:This latest Tor post makes me feel iffy on Mulch even more

Haven't you seen me do that as scum, dude?

Mulch · Tue Sep 26, 2017 3:27 pm

In post 1706, Fykus wrote:Mulch if you dont stop i have to hardclaim and i dont want to

You IDIOT I DONT CARE IF YOUR EVEN NIGHT TRACKER OR WATCHER THEY COULD BE SCUM TRACKER AND THEY ARE SCUMmy AS FUCK

Mulch · Tue Sep 26, 2017 3:27 pm

MY CASE NOBODY HAS SAID ANYTHING AGAINST AND YET NOBOODY IS LYNCHING THE OBVIOUS SCUM.

For ONCE IN MY LIFE SHEEP ME

Mulch · Tue Sep 26, 2017 3:28 pm

Even tor CANT REFUTE IT. COM EON.

It's the best I've odne in my life

Mulch · Tue Sep 26, 2017 3:28 pm

In post 1714, Toranaga wrote:mulch is the guy who got outed the cop and got maria lynched d1, trust him now guys! once in your life!

You can't respond to 19/20 of my points. Admit it

Mulch · Tue Sep 26, 2017 3:30 pm

In post 1718, WhyMafia wrote:Tor/Fykus is extremely plausible

I'm starting to think it's a possibility. This is so illogical for Fykus who usually goes with the simple solution.

But I could also see Fykus getting swindled if they are even night and Tor is odd night.

So I want to lynch Tor first.

Mulch · Tue Sep 26, 2017 3:30 pm

In post 1721, Chip Butty wrote:So Mulch is confirmed NAI.

Fruit vendor is actually a town role bcause it has negative utility for scum...

Mulch · Tue Sep 26, 2017 3:31 pm

In post 1720, Fykus wrote:IM AN EVEN NIGHT GUNSMITH AND NOW IM GONNA DIE YOU FUCKING IDIOT. IT MATCHES WITH THE ODD NIGHT TRACKER LIKE IT DID IN THE GAME YOU GOT 6/6. FUCK ME DEAD

You idiot they could be scum tracker

Mulch · Tue Sep 26, 2017 3:32 pm

In post 1729, WhyMafia wrote:So we have 3 invests .....

Would this setup make sense:

Town Loyal Cop
Town even night gunsmith
Town Miller
Town Fruit Vendor
[Maybe a hidden power role]

V
Scum odd night tracker
Scum goon
Scum goon

Mulch · Tue Sep 26, 2017 3:33 pm

In post 1733, Fykus wrote:Scum probs have a dr and ninja

I am the counter to the scum tracker ffs

Mulch · Tue Sep 26, 2017 3:33 pm

Who the fuck has a scum fruit vendor. Have you ever seen this, holy shit. It's NEGATIVE utility for scum

Mulch · Tue Sep 26, 2017 3:35 pm

In post 1740, Fykus wrote:
In post 1732, Mulch wrote:
In post 1729, WhyMafia wrote:So we have 3 invests .....
Would this setup make sense:

Town Loyal Cop
Town even night gunsmith
Town Miller
Town Fruit Vendor
[Maybe a hidden power role]

Odd tracker fits town cause miller is negative util

V
Scum odd night tracker
Scum goon
Scum goon

Why would we have two negative utility roles Fykus...my role would be a counter to Tors and Whymafia would be a counter to Havo...

Town would be mad gated

Mulch · Tue Sep 26, 2017 3:35 pm

In post 1742, WhyMafia wrote:
In post 1737, Mulch wrote:Who the fuck has a scum fruit vendor. Have you ever seen this, holy shit. It's NEGATIVE utility for scum
I've seen that

Really? lmao

Mulch · Tue Sep 26, 2017 3:36 pm

IM IN SHOCK NoT ONE PERSON HAS REFUTED THE BEST CASE IVE EVER DONE IN MY LIFE

Mulch · Tue Sep 26, 2017 3:38 pm

One person tell me if there are ANY holes in 1599

Mulch · Tue Sep 26, 2017 3:39 pm

In post 1749, Toranaga wrote:so I flip town odd night tracker, what now mulch

are you confirmed scum then because MECHANICS?

If you flip odd night tracker, that means that town has another hidden power role because town would have too little power.

Mulch · Tue Sep 26, 2017 3:44 pm

In post 1759, Fykus wrote:You negate tor. Havo negates me. Wm negates havo. Its simple setup spec. Doont be dense

How does town have any power? wtf Fykus, why are you being so illogical. town needs power.

Mulch · Tue Sep 26, 2017 5:23 pm

Your setup spec is trash. In your setup spec every single one of the town roles is countered. Town always has a shitton more power than that.

Mulch · Tue Sep 26, 2017 5:26 pm

I'm not soft defending Skitter. I'm hard defending them. You are most likely scum, and are pushing them. Which means that unless you are bussing they are most likely a mislynch. It's not rocket science

Mulch · Tue Sep 26, 2017 5:26 pm

In post 1779, Fykus wrote:If and only if there is a hidden pr will i consider lynching tor

???

Right now town would have way too little power with Tor... what are you talking about man. That would mean all the village power roles are nerfed in some way and there aren't that many

Mulch · Tue Sep 26, 2017 5:27 pm

If a massclaim is needed to get Tor lynched, it will be worth it. But they are scum. NOBODY HAS REFUTED MY CASE. NOBODY

Mulch · Tue Sep 26, 2017 5:29 pm

In post 1784, Toranaga wrote:
In post 1781, Mulch wrote:I'm not soft defending Skitter. I'm hard defending them. You are most likely scum, and are pushing them. Which means that unless you are bussing they are most likely a mislynch. It's not rocket science
skitter flips scum, what do we do with you? you're hard defending a player who put 2 villagers at L-1 last gameday.

If Skitter flips scum, you bussed them and are trying to link them to me. But I don't understand why you would bus now so...

Skitter is scummy in track record but not in posts. If you weren't pushing them I would be fine with a wagon on them

Mulch · Tue Sep 26, 2017 5:29 pm

In post 1785, Toranaga wrote:yeah I'm not wasting my time with your case. if chip and HEM don't like it and wanna lynch me, so be it.

"Wasting time"

= You can't respond to it lol

Mulch · Tue Sep 26, 2017 5:33 pm

In post 1790, Toranaga wrote:"I demand you respond to my 20 points!!!"

zzzzzzzzzz

I'd much rather get lynched and then you get lynched afterwards!

Self vote then. I'll call your bluff

If you flip town, I'll self vote tomorrow. I'm like...80% sure you flip scum right now, willing to risk the game on it.

Mulch · Tue Sep 26, 2017 5:33 pm

In post 1788, Toranaga wrote:
In post 1786, Mulch wrote:
In post 1784, Toranaga wrote:
In post 1781, Mulch wrote:I'm not soft defending Skitter. I'm hard defending them. You are most likely scum, and are pushing them. Which means that unless you are bussing they are most likely a mislynch. It's not rocket science
skitter flips scum, what do we do with you? you're hard defending a player who put 2 villagers at L-1 last gameday.
If Skitter flips scum, you bussed them and are trying to link them to me. But I don't understand why you would bus now so...

Skitter is scummy in track record but not in posts. If you weren't pushing them I would be fine with a wagon on them
I flip town, what do you do with skitter?

I'll lynch Skitter if you flip town lol

Mulch · Tue Sep 26, 2017 5:36 pm

In post 1793, Sergtacos wrote:Mulch you just conflicted yourself, said you would self vote if Tor flips town, then says you will lynch skitter if tor flips town, which is it?

Whatever they want. I'm pretty sure this is just a bluff from Tor, so I'm williing to meet the hypothetical demands.

Mulch · Tue Sep 26, 2017 5:43 pm

In post 1801, Fykus wrote:Dont tor

If he flips scum I am heavily considering you as the partner. Where did logical!fykus go...

Mulch · Tue Sep 26, 2017 5:47 pm

In post 1804, Fykus wrote:Im this close to calling you a scum fruit vendor mulch

Those don't make sense. Fruit vendors have negative purpose in scum.

I don't even know if that's possible or why anyone would ever do that.

Mulch · Tue Sep 26, 2017 5:48 pm

In post 1807, Toranaga wrote:
In post 1804, Fykus wrote:Im this close to calling you a scum fruit vendor mulch
he is
let's see who jumps on me though

This makes me think Fykus is town and Toranga is scum trying to pocket them

Mulch · Tue Sep 26, 2017 5:49 pm

In post 1810, Fykus wrote:Wm has seen a scum fv. It could exist to pocket town by giving one fruit

You do realize if I was a scum fruit vendor then I would be fucked in endgame, right?...

Man, call me a scum fruit vendor if Tor flips town...which he like 85% won't.

He can't refute one case out of 20

Mulch · Tue Sep 26, 2017 5:51 pm

In post 1812, Toranaga wrote:
In post 1805, Mulch wrote:
In post 1804, Fykus wrote:Im this close to calling you a scum fruit vendor mulch
Those don't make sense. Fruit vendors have negative purpose in scum.

I don't even know if that's possible or why anyone would ever do that.
why don't you read the wiki on your role instead of talking about something you clearly know nothing about as if you did

'don't even know if that's possible' it is possible and even common.

Why would scum benefit from a fruit vendor, dude

Mulch · Tue Sep 26, 2017 5:52 pm

In post 1814, Fykus wrote:Please mulch. Lynch skitter or misere

Tor flips scum. I'll lynch Skitter for you tomorrow. Or whoever you want. Man, trust me on this. I'm not a scum fruit vendor, that makes no sense. He can't refute any case. He is playing you like a fiddle because he is most likely scum tracker

Mulch · Tue Sep 26, 2017 5:53 pm

In post 1819, Toranaga wrote:
In post 1816, Mulch wrote:
In post 1812, Toranaga wrote:
In post 1805, Mulch wrote:
In post 1804, Fykus wrote:Im this close to calling you a scum fruit vendor mulch
Those don't make sense. Fruit vendors have negative purpose in scum.

I don't even know if that's possible or why anyone would ever do that.
why don't you read the wiki on your role instead of talking about something you clearly know nothing about as if you did

'don't even know if that's possible' it is possible and even common.
Why would scum benefit from a fruit vendor, dude
you can show you didn't do anything scummy at night. it's better than mafia goon definitely.

If I was scum at late game I WOULD be doing something scummy at night. ? And I would be held to the fruit

Mulch · Tue Sep 26, 2017 5:54 pm

In post 1821, Toranaga wrote:yes, and so it makes sense that you're throwing yourself out as the most pro-scum player in the entire game as you don't get to play lategame with this role.

You just said it was a benefit now your saying it's a negative utility rofl

Mulch · Tue Sep 26, 2017 5:55 pm

If I was a scum fruit vendor I just woulden't send fruit. I'm a good scum player

Mulch · Tue Sep 26, 2017 5:55 pm

Also, I'm a LOUD fruit vendor. Which makes it even WORSE for scum to have. I'm town

Mulch · Tue Sep 26, 2017 5:57 pm

In post 1827, Toranaga wrote:
In post 1824, Mulch wrote:If I was a scum fruit vendor I just woulden't send fruit. I'm a good scum player
not at all, you were going over how this is NEVER a scum role just now LOL

Well, the wiki says it's possible. But in practice, it just dosen't make sense. That's why if I WAS a scum one, I woulen't send fruit. It would just be negative utility... the fact I sent fruit basically proves me town

Mulch · Tue Sep 26, 2017 6:00 pm

In post 1830, Toranaga wrote:
In post 1828, Mulch wrote:
In post 1827, Toranaga wrote:
In post 1824, Mulch wrote:If I was a scum fruit vendor I just woulden't send fruit. I'm a good scum player
not at all, you were going over how this is NEVER a scum role just now LOL
Well, the wiki says it's possible. But in practice, it just dosen't make sense. That's why if I WAS a scum one, I woulen't send fruit. It would just be negative utility... the fact I sent fruit basically proves me town
you seem to be using it to clear yourself so how does it not make sense

I don't understand what your saying and am not going to humor you. Your confirmed scum to me until you can refute the case.

If anyone else has questions, I'm good to answer. I'm not going to give in to scum bait.

Mulch · Tue Sep 26, 2017 6:04 pm

In post 1832, Toranaga wrote:but you are self voting tomorrow when I flip town right

and not voting anyone else

promise

Sure. Like I said, I'm more than willing to do this deal. However, I have a suspicon your going to stop voting yourself anyway

All scum do that lol

Mulch · Tue Sep 26, 2017 6:04 pm

Well, unless you feel as if that would out you anyway *shrug*

Mulch · Tue Sep 26, 2017 6:16 pm

In post 1836, Toranaga wrote:I know you're just trying to get me lynched mulch. I'm letting you do that. I'll only unvote to lynch skitter or you.

If you unvote your outted lol

Mulch · Tue Sep 26, 2017 6:20 pm

If Skitter is scum your bussing. I would let you give away an extra scum lol

Mulch · Tue Sep 26, 2017 6:22 pm

@Thor look at 5 and 14

Mulch · Tue Sep 26, 2017 6:22 pm

5, 14, 17 are the most egregious ones

Mulch · Tue Sep 26, 2017 6:24 pm

Now the list of people Tor is gonna bail out of his deal with is up to 3

Mulch · Tue Sep 26, 2017 6:25 pm

I thought you said it was because you were not bored? Cmon, your lying now. It's not full of hot air at all, or you would try and attack it.

Mulch · Tue Sep 26, 2017 6:27 pm

I'm pretty sure if we lynch Skitter it goes----

Skitter (town) lynched----Fykus (gunsmith) killed---- Tor (scum) lynched----Mulch (town)---killed.

If Skitter flips scum I would be amazed you would have the balls to bus

Mulch · Tue Sep 26, 2017 6:28 pm

In post 1854, Toranaga wrote:nah I'm not even addressing it. you can print that wall of text and hang on your wall since you love it so much.

Because you can't defeat it

Mulch · Tue Sep 26, 2017 6:28 pm

In post 1857, Toranaga wrote:"flash skitter and I'll read her later" and then immediately fakes that she is on L-1, probably unvoting, probably distancing, probably wolfing.

Monkey... this is scum man

Mulch · Tue Sep 26, 2017 6:29 pm

In post 1861, Thor665 wrote:but actually he can because the two thoughts fail to be mutually exclusive

In what way can a role be NAI and also AI? Let's be real here man. I know you like Tor cause they are pushing your skitter lynch

Mulch · Tue Sep 26, 2017 6:30 pm

What about the "tone" part of 14 @thor

Mulch · Tue Sep 26, 2017 6:31 pm

Never have been called bad tone in my life

Mulch · Tue Sep 26, 2017 6:31 pm

Man this is so obvious

Mulch · Tue Sep 26, 2017 6:33 pm

In post 1869, Thor665 wrote:
In post 1863, Mulch wrote:
In post 1861, Thor665 wrote:but actually he can because the two thoughts fail to be mutually exclusive
In what way can a role be NAI and also AI? Let's be real here man. I know you like Tor cause they are pushing your skitter lynch
He didn't say that.
You said that.

What he said are;
There is enough power claimed that I think scum are in the PR claims.
and
Fruit Vendor isn't a role that confirms you as town.

That's it.
And I would agree with both of those statements and find it easy to believe both at the same time.

No. He said that fruit vendor added too much power to town, and that it wasn't an AI indicative role. He never said it dosen't confirm me, he said it's a completely NAI role. What are you reading?

Mulch · Tue Sep 26, 2017 6:34 pm

In post 1870, Toranaga wrote:
In post 1866, Mulch wrote:Never have been called bad tone in my life
stuff like

'I think virt screwed up bad here'
'why didn't anyone notice this'
'this game is moving fast wow'

phrasing that pinged me a lot, to the point where I remember that without needing to go back and read or anything.

My first scum game on MU I was called a sociopath because my tone was that good. I don't have bad tone any allignments

Mulch · Tue Sep 26, 2017 6:34 pm

I almost feel like voting Skitter out of frustration.

Mulch · Tue Sep 26, 2017 6:34 pm

I'm beyond annoyed how obvious this is. Man, Thor this is what happened in Penguin's game too

Mulch · Tue Sep 26, 2017 6:35 pm

In post 1875, Toranaga wrote:
In post 1872, Mulch wrote:
In post 1870, Toranaga wrote:
In post 1866, Mulch wrote:Never have been called bad tone in my life
stuff like

'I think virt screwed up bad here'
'why didn't anyone notice this'
'this game is moving fast wow'

phrasing that pinged me a lot, to the point where I remember that without needing to go back and read or anything.
My first scum game on MU I was called a sociopath because my tone was that good. I don't have bad tone any allignments
that's what you think

The guy that told me that was a representative for the mafia championships. Dude, I don't have bad tone as villageer obviously and not as wolf. You are bullshitting.

Mulch · Tue Sep 26, 2017 6:36 pm

In post 1876, Toranaga wrote:
In post 1873, Mulch wrote:I almost feel like voting Skitter out of frustration.
do it

If I do you instant vote and instead of scum lynch we get probable village lynch. Right?

Mulch · Tue Sep 26, 2017 6:36 pm

Your such a fucking asshole too. Jesus fucking christ

Mulch · Tue Sep 26, 2017 6:37 pm

This is why I banned myself from games. Too emoitionally invested

Mulch · Tue Sep 26, 2017 6:37 pm

In post 1884, Toranaga wrote:vote her I DARE YOU

Your trying to bait me.

Mulch · Tue Sep 26, 2017 6:39 pm

In post 1889, Chip Butty wrote:
In post 1874, Mulch wrote:I'm beyond annoyed how obvious this is. Man, Thor this is what happened in Penguin's game too
Don't disregard the possibility that Thor is scum.

I guess. He's been tunneling on Skittles all game. If skitter flips scum, I think thor is probably town, but if Skitter flips town then thor can be scum maybe

Mulch · Tue Sep 26, 2017 6:39 pm

In post 1887, humaneatingmonkey wrote:I kinda understand BBT now in not wanting to play anymore and just lynch the largest wagon.

UNVOTE:

I'm just gonna distance myself from the game. My strategy of choice will now be to ignore Toranaga until Day 5 and just lynch a probable scum in the pool of {BBT, Skitter, Chip Butty, Misere}. I'm not gonna come on board until BBT and Misere comes here. We have 7 days before deadline. No need to be rash.

what the fuck

Mulch · Tue Sep 26, 2017 6:40 pm

Alright goodnight. Can't take this anymore

Mulch · Wed Sep 27, 2017 2:23 pm

@Toranga:

I apologize for being a dick last night. I got out of control and let my emotions control me, something I've been working on.

Mulch · Wed Sep 27, 2017 2:25 pm

In post 1924, Toranaga wrote:chip butty basically can't be scum with anybody, so I guess I should lock clear him now.

Can you explain this?

Mulch · Wed Sep 27, 2017 2:25 pm

In post 1926, Toranaga wrote:yup

misère > skitter > HEM might win the game

In post 1927, Toranaga wrote:
vote: misère

Why are you backing off Skitter? Why aren't I scum anymore?

Mulch · Wed Sep 27, 2017 2:26 pm

In post 1929, Chip Butty wrote:
In post 1927, Toranaga wrote:
vote: misère
So...your game solution, this latest version, starts with lynching a player who has posted a total of 6 times, hasn't posted for 11 days, and is likely to be replaced soon?

Why didn't you bring this up when I was pushing them? You didn't scumread me for it, ever.

Mulch · Wed Sep 27, 2017 2:27 pm

In post 1961, WhyMafia wrote:Fykus's read progression seems awful. He goes from voting BBT for basically doing nothing & not understanding Maria's wagon before voting her (L-1/Lynch) for her anti-town remarks. For someone who didn't seem to understand the scum reads, he hopped on for a pretty BS reason. His stance on Havo was strange as well. Finally. he blatantly softs for a while, and I feel like his claim is coordinated w/ Toranga.

It's very possible scum tracker and town gunsmith in this situation. It was similar to giga's game with town watcher and scum tracker.

Mulch · Wed Sep 27, 2017 2:27 pm

In post 1962, WhyMafia wrote:I honestly cannot explain Mulch. It's just that some posts really ping me, and his reactions w/ Toranga make me feel like he's hard bussing to get town cred. In regards to Toranga, I don't like his reactions or lack of replying to Mulch's case/the scum reads on him

Ok, then vote Toranga. I don't care if you think I"m bussing after they flip. We can deal with that later...vote the probable scum

Mulch · Wed Sep 27, 2017 2:28 pm

In post 1969, Fykus wrote:Im starting to second guess my skitter read because of all these anti town posts.

From whom?

Mulch · Wed Sep 27, 2017 2:28 pm

You guys already know my role. This was an incredibly bad decision to massclaim lol

Mulch · Wed Sep 27, 2017 2:29 pm

Alright Tor emoitions aside, can you explain how you are going from me lock scum to not in the PoE, you unvoting Skitter, and the 20 points before?

Mulch · Wed Sep 27, 2017 3:13 pm

In post 1951, Thor665 wrote:@Fykus - I know, you're lying because you missed me saying I saw that info in one of my posts

What does this mean

Mulch · Wed Sep 27, 2017 3:14 pm

Fykus what were you just bolding

Mulch · Wed Sep 27, 2017 3:18 pm

In post 2005, humaneatingmonkey wrote:
In post 1998, Mulch wrote:You guys already know my role. This was an incredibly bad decision to massclaim lol
It's not. If the claims are true, here's what's gonna happen:

N2
Fykus
N3
Toranaga
N4
Mulch/WhyMafia
N5
Mulch/WhyMafia

Every kill decisions have been claimed. However, if the claims are not true, we will see it once we get a better picture of the roles of the other people. Massclaim is necessary now. It was stupid back when few have claimed. Now, it's necessary.

Toranga is scum... they aren't getting nightkilled.

Mulch · Wed Sep 27, 2017 3:18 pm

Does anyone understand what Fykus just bolded or what Thor means "I know your lying"?

Mulch · Wed Sep 27, 2017 3:22 pm

In post 2003, Mulch wrote:
In post 1951, Thor665 wrote:@Fykus - I know, you're lying because you missed me saying I saw that info in one of my posts
What does this mean

I'm trying to process it and these words don't make sense

Mulch · Wed Sep 27, 2017 3:22 pm

In post 1976, Fykus wrote:Pretty good.

UNVOTE: skitter

Why are you voting Skitter after this?

Mulch · Wed Sep 27, 2017 3:22 pm

Why isn't Tor voting Skitter?

Mulch · Wed Sep 27, 2017 3:22 pm

I'm the only person on scum!Tor right now

Mulch · Wed Sep 27, 2017 3:24 pm

In post 2013, skitter30 wrote:Mulch is pushing opportunistic lynches.

What opportunistic lynches? How is pushing on your scumread opportunistic?

Mulch · Wed Sep 27, 2017 3:25 pm

That dosen't make sense

Mulch · Wed Sep 27, 2017 3:26 pm

In post 2016, skitter30 wrote:I'm talking about misere. I think you're going after a slot that's basically null on shaky reasoning when they aren't around to defend themselves.

What's shaky about my reasoning?

Mulch · Wed Sep 27, 2017 3:28 pm

Why don't you think trying to pocket me is scum indicative? Why did you gloss over the other bad part of their post, that it was all shallow thoughts? Why is a scumreading in RVS stage a good enough rationalization for a serious vote that led to a town lynch?

Mulch · Wed Sep 27, 2017 3:29 pm

"So I don't get why you're so confident about them flipping scum"

You don't need to have 100 posts to be confident. Those 2 posts sucked