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[Ghostlin]

I did a preliminary read waiting to replace o.j.. I'm doing a more detailed read now. My first initial two thoughts are I hate everything on this page before the last vote count and there can't possibly be five scum, but I read at least five people that way.

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O.j=in. Fucking phone.

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Vanilla Townie; my predecessor was entirely full of shit. What are your reads?

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Also meant after the last vote count, not before it. Except maybe fitz.

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Dunk: what do you like about Mulch hammering L-1? I realize flips=info, but Jesus, two of just replaced in and you got fuck all on us.
Screen: what about me being an SK would've stopped you from lynching me/Why would it matter?

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Unvote.

I reserve the right to do what the fuck I wanna do with this later.

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Screen: but a SK vote is a vote for scum. Why wouldn't you push that?

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Screen's 835 sums up what I'm seeing in this game. Too many players with thumbs up their asses about the game. This slot claimed a PR, there's doubt about the accuracy from the playerbase, and do we even float the idea? Nope. Between players like Elyse who pretty much own they've not read the thread, and this...fucking passivity ( like where the fuck is BBT?) It's not a stunner that scum has plenty of places to hide.

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For scum? Elyse, BBT, screen, dd and creature. You see the immediate problem.

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He's actually pushing lynches. He's not good at it, but he's actually pushing them. Compare to DD, who's like "whatever, I guess."

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847

No. I'm suggesting we vote someone

useless

, not necessarily inactive in and of themselves. For example, creature is posting, but name something really substantive to scum hunting in and of itself.

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And...I apparently have forgotten how to quote posts on these boards. Sorry for shitting that bed, everyone.

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Tictac: what if Dunks

isn't

scum? I'm not sold on a BBT/DD team tbh. I don't like guessing the scum team this early.

Pending a deeper read, I think Una is townish. Tictac is town.

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^ I'm not like voting for you, but this is probably why a wagon exists.

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I think I like this new player. Can we keep him?
From everything I've read, that's posts of creature's caliber.

In fact, maybe we can all discuss this.

Vote: Creature

Why are we letting this live?

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I want to lynch him because he's doing fuck all. Most scummy really isn't a part of the conversation. We aren't talking about him, we aren't applying pressure to him. We are letting him coast. Why are we letting someone not scum hunting coast?

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Is it just me, or did that last DD post read more of a collective shrug, 'let me choose someone not me that I think is scum' and then 'oh, this other wagon also not me is scum too?'

DD really is an acceptable lynch today. Jesus Christ, I could get less waffles than at waffle house.

Also, the fact he's ok with it doesn't track to either alignment.

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Sure, since Creature isn't going anywhere---even though we don't want to take that to lylo either.

Vote: DD

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By what? I don't actually have a Vig shot, as discussed before.

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DD: if you come back before thread lock, you should probably spill who you think is scum, and why. It'll help when we try to associate you later with your flip.

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Being unaware the Day is ended is fine, but revoting someone he was already on last vote count...

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...I'm not sure to file that under 'super emphasis' or 'super weird'. I don't see how that informs alignment, however.

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So. I did ISOs on most of town, (I have Mulch, BBT and maybe one other left) and right now I really want to see this person eat rope:

Vote: Screen

Few questions for a few folks:

Panther: do you think 925 was scummy or bad?

People voting PK: Why? His posts aren't great but right now I'm seeing a really opportunistic OMGUS from some of you (Mulch. It's Mulch, really at this point.)

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Welp. Piss replaces out, but that changes none of the above. Could hang hf's slot too. Not fond of the PP slot, although I like the replacement better than the original.

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Reads (in order from strongest to weakest):
Town: Pk, Tchill
Scum: Screen, hf (I acutally had Creature between these two)
Not finished: Mulch, tictac, BBT, Una ( who I keep forgetting is in the game.) So I'm half way through. Will be done with Isos in 24.

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...Really? God I hate the "OMG scum slip" reasoning. I meant town as the collective game, not Town as alignment inductive. Jesus. Are we all being dense or lazy?

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You do realize that scum slips are bullshit, right? It's wish fulfillment for players who think that mafia have an orgasmic need to come clean subconsciously so maybe they actually don't have to FUCKING SCUMHUNT.

No matter the game I've been in, no matter the alignment I've been in the past, I want to slap the ever loving shit out of the person who has uttered the words "scum slip". It has a worse success rate than rolling a fucking d12 and choosing a lynch from that.

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Morality: I have a different set of experiences then. What happens generally in my experience follows this timeline:

*Someone "catches" a "scumslip".
*A number of folks jump on, including scum fucks.
*The person accused tries to defend themselves from the "scumslip", but they're fighting against hope within the game that this'll work this time and a metric fuck load of shitty fake confirmation bias.
*95% they flip Town. Over 60% it's VT.
*This shit show then happens in another game and no one learns anything.

It never works out how the slip finder hopes and its mostly a free mislynch.

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Finished with ISOs and here are my reads: (Strongest to weakest)
Town: tictac, Una, Pk, Tchill
Scum: Screen, hf, Mulch, BBT

That LOOKS like I'm claiming half the game is scum, but I have one null leaning scum and one null leaning Town in there. I'm willing to talk reads if you gots questions.

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Morality: bit gut, but PK reads to me in ISO someone who isn't necessarily good at mafia but is sincerely trying to work this out. I can give you post numbers of you'd like.

BBT: I replaced Vedith's slot.

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Mulch: ^That effectively answers your first question.

As for you, there are least 5-10 posts of you insisting you are town in your early ISO but adding fuck all. Your predecessor is hyper defensive in probably the bad way. The fight with Screen seems pointless and fake and the only possible association tell I have.

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97: This is stupid, but stupid town. It's completely the wrong question and missing the point how town does
212: seems town motivated; you don't want to leash a pr day 1, and declaring targets only tells scum your plan
626: Is pretty damn accurate of how Screens been playing this game.

There's more but I've had an 11+ hour workshift and I don't give a shit now.

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It's a better read than reading you and Screen get into a self masturbatory self voting fapfest.

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I should of put "speculative" self voting fapfest. Sorry. Bar's low after reading some of you last night.

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As in Night, not night.

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1028: So exactly how am I supposed to know how good PK is if I've not played with him? This is burden of proficiency on me with absolutely no knowledge of PK's meta considering I've not been back to this site in months/years? That's cognitive dissonance AND burden of proficiency AND full of shit rolled up into a sandwich.

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And if any of you strike back with 'well, you should be studying our metas/past games', you can all kindly go fuck yourselves.

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Yes. Although Screen's still scummy and I now have to realign some of my reads.

Bonus fact that you should keep in mind regardless of my alignment; there's high probability of scum on my wagon.

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Even with adding Morality to my possible scum pool, I'm not crazy enough to think that EVERYONE that exists on my wagon is even mostly or half scum.

Probablity is that one scum exists between (Screen, Morality, Mulch); since BBT is my closest to null read.

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...I've had null reads on Day 2, even Day 3 before. Would YOU like to stick your head out of your ass an SCUMHUNT?

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You know what? Fuck it. I'll lynch anyone on my scum list + Morality since PK was apparently being a low rent scumfuck because fuck this trying to get over the mental block of "there can't be four or five scum in this game, Ghostlin."

This fucking game.

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I could claim that I was roadblocked last night and claimed VT so scum wouldn't shoot me and I'm actually the Vig, but I'm neither scum or quite that big of an asshole.

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Oh. "What can you do" was rhetorical. My bad.

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1052: This isn't dissonant considering you asked me earlier if that changed my read knowing your replacement was new/bad at mafia. You can't have it both ways.

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*was= wasn't in previous post
1046 : The answer to the policy lynch question is simple: I wanted to see if HF would play the game differently than the person he replaced.

The question I'm referring to by referring to the terrible reaction is the wrong question because that person is never going to answer it adequately.

"Why on God's green earth would you fucking claim Vig Day 1?" is a better question.

Hey Morality. In what universe does the "Yes" answer to "does that change things" mean the opposite?

1043 and 1044 are me attempting humor/being cheeky/knowing the idea in 1043 is a fucking terrible idea.

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Read 1033 and 1036 if you want to know what I'm talking about.

Morality either has failed reading comprehension to a question he asked me or he's misrepping me.

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1076: Why? Is there a relation between Aero and PK?

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I also don't know if I hate Morality's 1071 as scummy or the lamest push ever. It's sorta like BBT making fun of me for a null read and now we're gut voting "I think you're scum but really can't point to something in 40+ pages as to why."

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You may say "Tictac is scum" since the entrance of the game, but given your opportunity to push, you can't articulate why, and I'M the one full of crap?

I admit my PK is town push is awful, you can't be bothered to give us your tictac reasoning.

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*was awful for the PK town reasoning.

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Or to put this another way: you have EXACTLY two scum reads, me and one you can't explain, Morality? Anyone BUT me suspicious?

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Chainsaw defense, I believe is the term Morality is reaching for here.

Thing is, I don't give two fucks about Tictac.

The problem that I have is that Morality apparently has two scum suspects from his actions. We aren't pushing any other directions; when he hopped off me onto a gut read. Which generally means he wants people to vote for Tictac or push him in some way.

Problem is, he immediately negates his vote with a lack of a concrete reason. Shit, had he said, quite literally what he said a page or two before about his gut being good as a Tictac scum detector, WE WOULDN'T BE HAVING THIS PRECISE DISCUSSION. If he provided meta now of this feat, that would be

something.

It just seems disingenuous that;

1) You have a scum possiblity pool of two
2) One of them is a gut read leaving you with one concrete read.

So either you're going through the motions and are scum, or;

Otherwise you're pissing your most valuable tool away, your vote, and for the LOVE OF GOD, TOWN PLAYERS STOP DOING THIS.

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BBT, I'm surprised too.

Real life talk here, guys, I have school papers and plans this weekend. I will attempt to be here, but I is declaring semi- V/LA till

Monday the 25th

.

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Pp: It was probably 926; you reacted, I was wondering if that was a "this is suboptimal play" or "this is scummy to me". I'm trying to understand how you read things.

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Tchill's reasoning is stupid. Even if you believe the Day should be two weeks long, you all realize that you have the better part of a week left, right?

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...No, I'm going to be obstinate here and point out there's no fucking point in doing what I'll call 'rushing the lynch'. If you all actually feel I'm scum, you should be pushing me to give you relational tells. Otherwise AND regardless you should all be pumping me for reads. None of you are asking WHY this lynch should be rushed and WHO gains from it.

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I'd call people out for being scummy on the above, but the only one being any fucking use at the moment is Una, and there can't be NINE scum. Granted, BBT and Mulch are the ones that are really got a hard on for this lynch, no other reads and hence no plan after I flip Town, Screen's just fucking awful, and Morality's been inconsistent; but there can't be FOUR scum either.

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Una: I've also not been SUPER active in this thread for five days, and I've noticed (to probably my own detriment) that this game on Day 2 (and even parts of Day 1 when I replaced in) has been all about ME, and that makes me sorry for all of you when I'm dead.

I'm not a humble bastard; this can be entirely about me. But it seems that we've got fuck all for a plan after I flip; so maybe you guys can all talk about your reads, where you plan on voting, pretending that you're all here to play a game of deduction called mafia?

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For example, as of this post, I can see Screenplay posting in other games so maybe he could come here and theoretically participate with some reads and reasoning?

If not, that's fine too, we wouldn't want to rouse him out of fuck all.

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Why does it feel like Mulch is rolefishing?
It's entirely possible Una doesn't feel I'm scum.

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...Bye folks. Best of luck to all of you.

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Vote: Ghostlin