Mini Normal 1950 [Engame: Mafia Victory!]

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so........how is all this RVS......

I suppose the randomness is a bit like this




VOTE: CheekyTeeky

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Don't make reads you're not gonna explain.

Why not

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VOTE: CheekyTeeky

What are everyone's thoughts on hypo-vanilla cop claiming?

Spoiler: For those not knowing what hypo-cop is

On day 2 and onwards (until the vanilla cop role is claimed or killed), every player posts a result as if they were the vanilla cop; the actual vanilla cop tells the truth and everyone else makes up a result. It does possibly give scum more info on who isn't the vanilla cop (if someone claims an incorrect result on one of them, for example), but it guarantees that we have all of the investigations as public knowledge while allowing them not to claim and draw a NK.

Isn't this better in open setups

Do we even know there's a cop

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imagine we did lynch her right off the bat like that and she flipped scum. that would be super lucky

I've seen it happen

It's always hilarious

And town always goes on to lose the game, believe it or not

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is he new??????
you dont make reads unless you have something to back it up with.....
and you have townie below your name......probably should have started with a newbie game

VOTE: UC Voyager

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VOTE: CheekyTeeky

What are everyone's thoughts on hypo-vanilla cop claiming?

Spoiler: For those not knowing what hypo-cop is

On day 2 and onwards (until the vanilla cop role is claimed or killed), every player posts a result as if they were the vanilla cop; the actual vanilla cop tells the truth and everyone else makes up a result. It does possibly give scum more info on who isn't the vanilla cop (if someone claims an incorrect result on one of them, for example), but it guarantees that we have all of the investigations as public knowledge while allowing them not to claim and draw a NK.

Isn't this better in open setups

Do we even know there's a cop

Good thing this is an open setup then.

Oh. Ooookay

Now that we've established that I cannot read

Sure let's all pretend to be cops

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Don't make reads you're not gonna explain.

Why not

Cuz the reasons for doing that are dumb.

Rather juvenile attitude

You can't dictate play style

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I disagree with this; if UC is scum, what would he have to gain from calling someone who openly townreads him 'scum' this early in the game?

Talk about unnecessary conflict.

I disdisagree

Scum don't think so rigidly

If scum feels he can make a case on someone then he will push, townread be damned

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If you didn't read the Open Setup displayed in the OP, what did you read exactly?

Well, I did read the Times

Vegas was a tragedy

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That was just a joke you guys

I'm not educated enough to read the Times

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ima be honest. here is what im feeling

town
me (duh.)
Necro
CheekyTeeky
Zulph
Morality
Wave Mode

mafia
Rhah
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????? (possibly. idk. might be 3)
???????? (probably not 4 lol)

Since I myself failed to read the setup I'm biased to believe this is genuine

Genuine, but NAI

Could be a genuine coming from town

Could also be genuine coming from scum who simply didn't realize it was an open setup

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That said, leaning town on UC, necro, Chip Butty atm

UNVOTE:

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Who?

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VOTE: Unabombah

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In case people don't know, you can highlight relevant text and then click the quote button and only the text you highlighted will be quoted

Instead of just quoting the whole post

Helps readability and sanity

If any of you care about etiquette

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I'd lynch Una or Vander at this point

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What is the case against Rhah

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It's no-assed

If they don't want to react I don't care

Reasonably confident we hit scum on Una or Vander rn

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Then you've never played against good scum

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^ This is town

Necro, Rhah, UCV, Chip, and now myself are the people you put real votes on. Not going to count your early vander read.

Funny how Necro/ucv are easy people to just throw votes on based on how they play, Rhah was looking like he could be mislynched, and then Chip and I easily look like we could potentially be pushed to stop any momentum we would have gained through our pushes and set up potential mislynches after with each.

This is what you did, this is a fact. Besides the set up potential mislynches, because that can’t be known until after your flip if that were the case.

uhh. you forgot cheekyteeky
i am????idk. people didn't like how i dont like it when people make reads with out evidence

It's fantastic when the lynchbait doesn't realize they're lynchbait

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You're like TwoInAMillion

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Busy as fuck

@Mod V/LA until Friday the 13th

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HELLO MY DEAR FRIENDS

TOWN'S SAVIOR HAS RETURNED

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Actually I misread that initially. Back to this:

VOTE: Chip Butty

This feels quite towny

This feels quite scummy

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But I think Una looked okay

How? He lurked most of the game. Gave bs reasoning for his initial scum reads then came back after the Morality vs Cheeky/Rhah fight and only picked one post of mine from it to nail me as scum. He didn't comment on the standings of Morality and Rhah. It was like he was trying to pin me as scum rather than using the info to sort 3 slots.

Yeah the main reason I scrumread Una is he's fake-scumhunting

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Oh my god

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fi I mod a game I will legit make a rule that you can't quote-in-quote-in-quote-in-quote

Highlight the relevant text and click the quote button to just quote that part

Otherwise I delete your post

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guys. I hate to say this, but we should start considering a no lynch for day one.
This is almost NEVER a good idea, but lets be real. We all don't really have much to work with.
If we try to lynch someone, we will end up lynching a townie on day one.
It is better to accept one townie dead in stead one 2 dead..........
IF more information gets thrown into the game, we might not go with a no lynch, but so far. aint much to work with tbh

This is precious

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Welp I didn't miss much

Lots of contentless posts and time wasting. Probably by scum trying to look like they are doing things

Unah is our best lynch, in any case

Lean Town

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UC Voyager
Morality
necro
Chip Butty

Null

ChaosOmega
Luca Blight
Zulfy
Rhah

Lean Scum

Unabombah
Vanderscamp
CheekyTeeky
acidphoenix

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Er, I don't really consider much pre-flip association... scum-hunting-by-assumption, as it were

He could be scum, you could be scum, you both could be scum

How should I know at this point

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In mafia it's bad to make logical progressions like "X is scummy. But Y is also scummy and scumreads X, therefore X is towny"

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Good morning

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Porkens (7): sheepsaysmeep, UnaBombaH, necro, Chip Butty, UC Voyager, Vanderscamp, Rhah LYNCH
UnaBombaH (3): wavemode, CheekyTeeky, Porkens

Yeah, I highly doubt this counterwagon assembled without scum assistance

Obviously my bias is toward the unibomber

Though I will re-read, the night kill could be of some significance

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Last night, i decided to jail keep Rhah. as you can see, someone was still killed! This tells me that either he isn't mafia, or he is a non-killing role

I'm pretty sure the mafia get to choose who does the kill? Or is there something in the setup I missed

That is to say, I think you could have targeted him and someone else did the kill

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Skim skim skim

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I'm going to start worrying that every new account I see is Boon in disguise...

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That said, this is general meta for him

Vanders probably also town with that defense

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Necro has only one other game on MS. He was town in this game. I've read through it and find his play here is much different. I saw one trollish comment he made in early RVS but the rest of his game is really good, insightful and gamesolving. I even saw a colourful wall post of reads! With reasons!!

Granted it is not a strong meta argument as our sample size is 1 game, however the contrast is so jarring that I can only assume the necro we're playing with here is scum.

I'm not sure if anyone has mentioned Necro's transition this game? As I recall, he spent half of D1 trolling everyone, playing what Morality termed "to scummy to be scum that he's obv town;" But in a bizzare 180 on his previous behaviour, he starts trying to work with me to game solve. I'm not entirely sure if the timing is significant (or alludes to potential buddies), but his behaviour seemed to change after my Morality push fell to pieces. In hindsight I see it as opportunism to pocket me for one of two potential purposes:

First, if I was lynched, he would get town cred for reading me correctly/or defending me
Second, it was an attempt to divert me away from a scum buddy and manipulate my vote to further his scum agenda.

I did address the first issue with him in D1 to which he responded with ignorance of any potential benefits existing. The second issue I played along with to gather more info because I couldn't get anything more than null from reading him. Notice how he kept pushing Acid as a scum read but in the final VC, he's got Acid voting Chip (who he was also pushing as scum) and now Acid is magically dead with what looks like a smoking gun in Chip's hands.

My lynchpool for D2 is {Necro, Morality, UnaH}

If necro is not an appealing lynch to town today I'd like to know where everybody elses reads are atm.

Well considering I was just Sherlock fucking Holmes in friends and enemies I'm willing to believe such a change in playstyle is possible while being town in both games

Bottom line I think is that game took place over the summer and I put more effort (And, granted, I was a mason and basically unlynchable, so I said whatever I felt like lol)

Though a meta dive like this usually comes from town - and I've also been reconsidering as I don't think scum!Cheeky kills acid there

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I hard claim vanilla cop. There's no point getting you guys to cover me.

? What was the point of this

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I agree with the long deadlines thing unfortunately.

I like being able to play reasonably well even when I have school and work

But I think shortening the Normal deadline from 2 to 1 week would be reasonable, even for casuals like me

Prod at 24 hours, replace at 36

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LUV is a lot more useful the Zulfy was

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3 people have tried to disprove my claim which I believe is anti-town and thus more likely scum motivated. Chip, Wave and Morality.

When did I do that

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Also, VOTE: Unabombah

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Let's surf this wave to a lynch

I doubt my scum partners are going to let you lynch me so easily

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Definitely my last game. I've had zero fun, I'm officially done with this site.

The Lakers will miss you

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I'm ashamed I was actually prodded.. Sry guys!

I'm at a point where my work project-stretch was extended to include this week too, so after my one day-off on friday I was working through most of weekend..
It's getting better every day now though.

About this day, Day 2 of the game to be exact..I'm a bit annoyed with my own activity, but also how this game has been coordinated by the more vocal players.
I dislike the read on Necro as scum, but once again, I could be wrong.
Then again his latest posts imply that he has sort of given up, so I don't see the value in "sparing" him either. And since I suck at reading tone, it could be just him trying to convey towny-emotions of disappointment and indifference.
I keep saying I dislike Cheeky+Rhah interactions, they feel like a team over anything else. Just something I picked up on very early, and haven't been able to shake since.
Cheekys claim clears her, so I'm going to say there's something that pings me about Rhah's actions then.
(I would otherwise assume Cheeky has an inno on Rhah and trusts him because of that, but since there is one vanilla goon out there, I doubt she'd take that as a "clear")

Morality either went too far with questioning Cheekys claim (and tried to backpedal later?), or he actually was trying to WIFOM her claim for scum.
Chip is either very paranoid town or scum because of how he took Cheekys claim.
Wavemode likes to vote me - I don't mind. Him and LUV are blank spaces to me, and could be any combination of S/T.
I need a good, solid day-off to read the whole game at once, and I'm back on my feet.

Lots of nothingness

Una if you had to dayvig someone right now who would it be

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Porkens (7): sheepsaysmeep, UnaBombaH, necro, Chip Butty, UC Voyager, Vanderscamp, Rhah LYNCH
UnaBombaH (3): wavemode, CheekyTeeky, Porkens
Chip Butty (1): acidphoenix
Rhah (1): Zulfy
Vanderscamp (1): Morality

1 scum in Zulfy/Morality/

acid

? Scum don't all want to be caught on the mislynch wagon together

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Well, who knows

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This post, alone, should be worthy of a UCV bandwagon. Majorly. Was scummy day 1, continues to throw around faulty leads and logic day two. Basically stated "anyone other than me" when I talked about the possibility of pushing for a Necro lynch.

You believe he fakeclaimed JK?

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sheep

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Una is scum and the resistance to this wagon is scummy

May post later to catchup, maybe not

Better if we just get this flipped

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Eventful

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Final Vote Count

Porkens (7): sheepsaysmeep, UnaBombaH, necro, Chip Butty, UC Voyager, Vanderscamp, Rhah

LYNCH

UnaBombaH (3): wavemode, CheekyTeeky, Porkens
Chip Butty (1): acidphoenix
Rhah (1): Zulfy
Vanderscamp (1): Morality

Not voting (0):

With 13 alive, it will take 7 to lynch.

Vote Count 2.9

UnaBombaH (4): wavemode, UC Voyager, Chip Butty, Rhah

L-2

Morality (2): Vanderscamp, Lil Uzi Vertz
Chip Butty (2): UnaBombaH, necro
necro (1): LoudmouthLee
Lil Uzi Vert (1): Morality
Rhah (1): CheekyTeeky

Not voting (0):

With 11 alive, it will take 6 to lynch.
LoudmouthLee has been prodded.
Lil Uzi Vert has been prodded.
UC Voyager has been prodded.

Day 2 ends in (expired on 2017-10-29 17:00:00).

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First I suspect Una and at least one partner have a counter wagon

And I still stand by what I said before that scum probably don't want to all three be on that lynch, leaving acid, who's dead, and zulfy/boon

In the second we again see morality vanity wagoning rather than hammering Una (he was at l-1 at one point, then cheeky unvoted)

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Boon probs caught here. Not sure why scum!chip sacrifices himself here with a false guilty. Maybe if it were lylo but its not, nor will it be tomorrow

VOTE: Morality

I'd call {Boon, Una, sheep} most likely

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Unless their PRs are..."special".

Alright we get it

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Current Scum team:
UnaH, Morality, (TBD)


so

-Necro (highest for me)
-LUV
-WaveMode (not to sure, because they are voting for Morality)


UnaH finnally votes for morality when they realize the morality lynch is inevitable!

Final Town
-UCV (jailkeeper)
-Chip (Vanilla Cop)
-Rhah (invested vanilla, and jail kept, so most likely town....99%)


@mod vote count please

Then how are you reading LML and vander

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Final Vote Count

Porkens (7): sheepsaysmeep, UnaBombaH, necro, Chip Butty, UC Voyager, Vanderscamp, Rhah

LYNCH

UnaBombaH (3): wavemode, CheekyTeeky, Porkens
Chip Butty (1): acidphoenix
Rhah (1): Zulfy
Vanderscamp (1): Morality

Not voting (0):

With 13 alive, it will take 7 to lynch.

Vote Count 2.9

UnaBombaH (4): wavemode, UC Voyager, Chip Butty, Rhah

L-2

Morality (2): Vanderscamp, Lil Uzi Vertz
Chip Butty (2): UnaBombaH, necro
necro (1): LoudmouthLee
Lil Uzi Vert (1): Morality
Rhah (1): CheekyTeeky

Not voting (0):

With 11 alive, it will take 6 to lynch.
LoudmouthLee has been prodded.
Lil Uzi Vert has been prodded.
UC Voyager has been prodded.

Day 2 ends in (expired on 2017-10-29 17:00:00).

Final Votecount

Morality (5): Chip Butty, UC Voyager, wavemode, Lil Uzi Vert, Morality

LYNCH

Not voting (5): UnaBombaH, Rhah, sheepsaysmeep, necro, Vanderscamp

With 10 alive, it will take 5 to lynch.

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Unabombah necro, on pork for no reason (none as far as I can see in their ISOs)

Unabombah necro, on the vanilla cop for...? Actually nvm they did both give a reason for this, they both said the exact same thing, that he was fake scumhunting

Unabombah necro... necro disappears during the morality exchange, and una tries to lynch Chip

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I’m going to follow nerco. I’m not a fan of wave’s recent post.

VOTE: wavemode

You're not a fan of the vote counts? lmao

Flairs did her best, man

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Oh, I'm not

VOTE: Unabombah

That's usually how I start my day lol

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There’s no context behind any of those votecoumts he posted

What does this even mean

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8 alive requires 5 to lynch, btw

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Well I suppose it's up to the mod

Yesterday we flipped morality with 5/10 votes, so that seems to be the way of things

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Self-explanatory really..

Why do post counts need context

I was just rounding them up for easy reference

In any case, I offered analysis in my very next post. Did you read it?

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♫

Come, thou monarch of the vine,
Unabombah with pink eyne!
In thy fats our cares be drown'd,
With thy grapes our hairs be crown'd:
Cup us, till the world go round,
Cup us, till the world go round!

♫

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I like that Una's name keeps with the iambic tetrameter

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VOTE: Luca Blight

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Our wincon was to make up 50% of the town

Then presumably we rise up early in the morning and slaughter everyone