VOTE: ErrantParabola
Mini Normal 1952: Dragon's Dance [OVER - PERFECT SCUM WIN]
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VOTE: boonskiiesIn post 15, Boonskiies wrote:I’m vanilla this game. Thoughts?
This joke is way more likely to come from scum than town in RVS.tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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worth noting if boonskiies flips scum.In post 40, LicketyQuickety wrote:The question, at this point, should be whether Lalendra was truthful in their claim or whether they are Scum. I think this because I think its improbable that Lalendra was doing a reaction test when that was already brought up. Its the fact that her reaction test would be so ineffective that I don't think its likely she takes that course of action. I mean, they already claimed it so there is no sense in hiding it really.
I will say its prolly very unlikely that all of Uzi, EP and Lalendra are all Scum covering for Lalendra. That would group themselves too close together as having the same opinion which I don't think is either an effective strategy as Scum, nor a probable one.
why are we wasting several paragraphs pontificating on what is obviously a newbie play while ignoring the fact that boonskiies, who is not a newbie, already did it earlier.tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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would you care to talk about the game or...?In post 52, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
Asectic and Miller claims beg to differIn post 51, Tchill13 wrote:
claims generate discussion on day 2 or 3. not in rvs lol.In post 48, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
I don’t think she did one unless I’m misunderstanding. I think she wanted to, had some doubt, then saw Boon’s claim didn’t generate much discussion.In post 40, LicketyQuickety wrote:The question, at this point, should be whether Lalendra was truthful in their claim or whether they are Scum. I think this because I think its improbable that Lalendra was doing a reaction test when that was already brought up. Its the fact that her reaction test would be so ineffective that I don't think its likely she takes that course of action. I mean, they already claimed it so there is no sense in hiding it really.
I will say its prolly very unlikely that all of Uzi, EP and Lalendra are all Scum covering for Lalendra. That would group themselves too close together as having the same opinion which I don't think is either an effective strategy as Scum, nor a probable one.tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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what do you think should be talked about?In post 58, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:In post 56, Thestatusquo wrote:Yes.
So bring it up and let’s talk about.tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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tchill is reading like Vi to me. I don't see a scum motivation for this latest vote hop specifically.
EPs points are good, but while the pattern of behavior could be consistent with scum trying to active lurk:
a) The behavior could also be consistent with town who legitimately doesnt quite know what is going on.
b) I think scum active lurking is behavior that typically doesn't happen in RVS
i) scum tend to "hide in plain sight" in the later stages of the game, not the RVS.
ii) I think scum are more likely to just lurk, rather than active lurk.
I'm not like town reading them or anything, but I think we have bigger fish to fry. Like LQ.
Can we kill it with fire?tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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No, I still think boon is scummy.
But I think you jumping on him after what I think was a particularly spurious argument on my part a) fits the description of scum who want to distance from their scum partner and b) fits scum trying to coast off of a particularly loud player without providing insight and reasoning of his own.
You know what all of those posts have in common? They don't contain at any point YOU providing reasoning for why YOU think hes scum. In fact, the only post besides your vote where you mention him at all is the one where you say that his defense is reasonable. Which then turns into a vote? What?tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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I don't think I ever accused you of not providing thoughts. What I said is that you are jumping on wagons for which you provide very little justification. Your jump to boonskies after previous calling his response "pretty reasonable" just makes no sense from a town perspective.
My point b is not meant to be read in isolation, which is why it was part of an a b pair. Nor was it meant as you are using it. I see a and b as the most likely motivations behind the action you took, which means that the action most likely comes from a scum player. Are there town motivations for it? Like, sure. But mafia is a game of percentages and I think the balance of potential motivations suggests your action most likely came from a scum player.
This is why your point "that other people have done b worse than me" doesn't make sense in context. You are correct that people have also have been coasting, but there are motivations for their actual behaviors that could be called coasting that are more likely which are town.tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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I don't have an opinion on it yet. I.e. I see town and scum motivations for it that are equally likely.In post 129, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:TSQ, what do you think of LQ voting Lalendra?tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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LQ I guess my biggest question is what do you mean by 'this seems reasonable'
Like, the post you were responding to was explanation
For the thing you now say you're voting for. If you think it's a reasonable reason to do what boon did, how can you then turn around and vote for them with no explanation?
I'm also really unhappy about the lunch comment. Attacking someone you labeled as a newbie because of an obvious typo is ???tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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Does anyone (including serg) have any previous games of him where he has defended people in this manner? Read some previous games and I couldn't find any.In post 269, Sergtacos wrote:
WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU ATTACKING LALENDRA?! LALENDRA IS INNOCENT!!!!!!!!!!In post 268, Mumble wrote:In post 266, Mumble wrote:Why don't you answer my question since what you said was false and appears to be an attempt to throw shadetout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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In post 319, acidphoenix wrote:i don't want to lynch any of:
errant, quick, schadd, lalendra, luv, egg
at the moment
i don't really want to lynch mumble but i'd be happy with him
tchill / boon / serg / havo / tsq are the other people in the game
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Though, to be fair, the first half of it is mostly good. I don't want to lynch any of [EP, Schadd, Lalendra, Luv, egg]
Would be happy to swing quick, though. And only two of those are town reads.
bottom list would be happy to see any of them go besides tchill as I have a strong town VI read on them.tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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Ok yeah we're done here. your reaction to someone not even attacking you but trying to figure out your alignment is to attack them and call them scum? Blatant OMGUS. You don't care about finding scum at all, or convincing town that you're town.
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We can kill LQ tomorrow.tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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FFS MAKE A POST I CAN FOLLOW. WHO IS THE TOWN AND WHY? WHO IS THE SCUM AND WHY? I'M READING ALL YOUR POSTS AND ALL I SEE IS YOU FUCKING SELF VOTING, YOU ATTACKING LITERALLY ONLY PEOPLE WHO ATTACK YOU, YOU EGGING ON YOUR OWN LYNCH.In post 498, Mumble wrote:Also, it's not defeatism. It's frustration that town (assuming there) is literally ignoring what I write. Additional, I'm more of a detriment in this game than a positive force and should definitely not be in later day phases.
But, sure, call it what you want.
Give me literally ANYTHING that makes me think you're attempting to engage with this game.tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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I got mumble to do stuff.In post 530, acidphoenix wrote:regardless of whether you think i've done any solving wrt the alignment spew game specifically
which didn't get THAT much partially because a lot of the time was
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actually thinking i just generally haven't is sillytout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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I think its pretty clear my vote on mumble was pressure.
I do not think hes town, though. It's not from any one thing, but its a culmination of things. But, again obviously, I think LQ is more likely to be scum.
1) He's disengaged with the game, and the kind of defeatism I see from him which leads to self voting and things like "come on, just lynch me already" are things I think are way more common from scum players than town players. Like, do new town players do stuff like this? Yes. But I see this as a "tactic" from new scum players to try to emotionally talk people out of their lynch more than anyone else in the game.
2) I did not like his and serg's interaction. It felt like staged distancing to me. None of it felt genuine, and none of it was similar to how either of them have interacted with anyone else in the game. It's notable, if nothing else.
3) If you read my article on arguing, one of the things that most causes me to think someone is scum when looking at their arguments is a refusal to concede points and arguing to "score points" instead of arrive at conclusions. Mumble fits this profile to a tee. His response to people questioning him is to attack them and to say that "no one is reading the things [he] posts." when, if you go look at the things he posts, none of them remotely relate to the arguments he's having.
Could he just be terrible or not know what he's doing? Sure, but his actions don't feel random to me. If you look at someone like tchill, who I am town reading pretty hard despite also erratic behavior, his actions seem genuinely uninformed. They don't seem to have a concrete purpose. Mumble on the other hand seems to know exactly what he's doing, to me.tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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Right, my point is that EP simultaneously said that my argument about mumbles was bad because "1.) Not AI" (quoting LQ because EP said that he "pretty much nailed the response" there, but in the very same post says "He's getting frustrated by pressure on him and stagnating his approach to the game around it. Scum does that a lot." which is like word for word why I do not think mumble is town (part of the reason, anyway)tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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I've returned from VLA to find a mod and have now read through 13 pages of nonsense that was posted in my absence.
I would like the following list of players to die (tacos, mumble, LQ). I'm ok with the following list of players dying (Havo, Uzi, AP, Schadd). Under no circumstances do I want the following killed (boon, EP, Egg, Lalendra, Tchill)
So I just went to vote mumble and then noticed that this would be a lynch. But the reason I was going to vote him was to put him to L-1 because I thought he was at L-1 and then unvoted himself. If he unvoted himself and he is still at l-1 does that mean he was lynched? Did a mumble vote happen after the unvote that I missed? Going back to check now.tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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Whats that supposed to mean?
Anyway, people have had plenty of time.
VOTE: mumble
rest in pepperonis.tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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Catching up from being out of town over the weekend. Updates as I read through.In post 1083, Tchill13 wrote:
if i don't claim at this point it eventually becomes a "lynch boon or tchill" situation and there are people i think are more likely to be scum than boonskies atm.In post 1032, Boonskiies wrote:I’m not just looking for an answer, though. I 100% targeted you and have a potential guilty.
I like this post. It tracks really nicely with my read on Tchill because this is a really good level 0 reason to do what he did. I also think "I won't claim because then I'll be killed" is selfish and wrong but also tracks with my read of him.
Feeling pretty comfortable with tchill in my list of town types.tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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Ok.
Wow that was some shit. Some thoughts in no particular order:
Boon is probably town. LAL is pretty stupid but so is lying as town. I hate boons playstyle but that does not make boon scum. If we look at the results of the play style, its pretty obvious to me that the actions hes taking are not random, and they lead to outcomes which generate very good discussion.
Anyone who wants to kill Havo is scum for what I think are obvious reasons. Not willing to talk about this one any further.
Of all the posts boon made, the one I most agree with is that acid looks like he's angry about how boon is attacking him for what he thinks of as invalid reasons. I see a big difference in how town and scum react when they feel this way about their attacker.
Where is lalendra? I'm not willing to let them skate by today.
I have no idea how to read uzi to be honest. From arguing with him in MD I don't really think he's the most rational person so its hard for me to know whether his attacks on LQ are rational here or not.tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner-
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