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ahh... fykus, dunker, una, serg, havo... we meet again.

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VOTE: morality

causes too much self confliction.

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ahh... fykus, dunker, una, serg, havo... we meet again.

VOTE: tchill

This feels like the game you draw scum in.

i wish. maybe you accuse me of drawing scum first because you drew scum... hmm...

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chumba could be a welcome addition to people ik on site... we shall see.

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If profii and chumba are town this game.... I just found some new friends.

Due to opinions on day 1.

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Hey fykus am I town or scum due to your alignment?

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there are things you can watch out for though that could be really beneficial, and i heard someone say day 1s are the easiest day to catch scum, im not sure if i totally agree but yeah

I think this is a truth, but with an added sidenote: "D1s are the best for catching scum D2 and D3".
Meaning that when we finally get flips and/or night-results, we can work D1 from a different perspective.

I very often return to D1 late in the game, and I've been most accurate with my scumreads when I'm replacing into a game D2/D3 and catchup from the start..

this is refreshing to see.

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*** DISCLAIMER ***

Just an FYI for you peoples.

I HATE day 1’s. If ANYONE gets to L-1 in the first few days, I will absolutely hammer them without giving them a chance to claim. Faster than you can believe. Unless I hard TR them. Which on Day 1 is very rare. In order to get to night one and get the game rolling.
Don’t expect extensive read lists from me on Day 1 either. If someone scum pings me I’ll definitely go after them but other than that I see Day 1’s as a crapshoot.

If you guys don’t like this play style then feel free to lynch me and I’ll move on to the next signups.

i townread this, i guess i kinda agree with it but not to the extent of this. like, i like getting things moving but not hammer without reason. if that makes sense.
there are things you can watch out for though that could be really beneficial, and i heard someone say day 1s are the easiest day to catch scum, im not sure if i totally agree but yeah

logically, scum know their team so they know who to avoid. Town know literally nothing at the start of the game so I’d say the complete opposite of that is true and be wary of whoever said it

in RVS the only players capable of not voting randomly are scum. I guess this is why some people catch scum early. I've yet to be able to do this.

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Lol people getting too serious bout my posts, my posts that were posted in RVS stage, lmfao xD

tacos play is geared towards creating actions and reactions due to his lack of confidence in his own reads. Keep this in mind. This doesn't excuse the overly scummy play it usually turns into but maybe that'll help townies with the tacos slot.

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Sergtacos
Morality

Dunkerdoodles

Havo
Chumba

this is very nitpicky but im wondering why that list is in such an odd order lol.

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I literally made like two actual posts prior to this page, so anyone pushing that as scum is scummy as hell and really stretching. I don’t like early games.

@Unah - you made a comment that i don’t think any of them will understand due to everyone e else but you is unaware, I believe. I don’t care if it’s aware, but yeah. Nobody is, I believe.

not a fan of this. No one is scummy for pushing you. you're a random wagon. Of course people will call you scum for literally no reason for your wagon to grow. town and scum will do it. Too early to have actual reasons for town and scum reads.

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I think he meant 2 non-joke posts but if we are looking for hyperbole I'd say calling the progress of this thread chainsawing Chumba would fit.

And I don’t see anyone chainsawing me. If anything I’m so obviously town people are buddying me

youre not obvtown you're just not stupid.

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well tbh im ok with any wagon going through thats not me by post #7. sue me.

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Chill’s probably town off meta.

thats interesting.

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I mean, its entirely possible that Serg is just shitposting like Dunk (and maybe others) said he does and I'm just reading bad play as scum play but come on. Though him not scumreading Mor over roleplaying but also being worried that he's incorrectly reading him seems a little fishy.

VOTE: nero cain

i could lynch this.

not voting profii or chumba day 1. curios to see how their play progresses.

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Chill’s probably town off meta.

thats interesting.

I’m Boon.

then you should know my day 1's are NAI. why do you have alts if you tell me your alt every time?

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VOTE: morality

why did you self vote?

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Wow. Blow up the thread lol. Scum incentive for that in twilight.

Nobody is obv town before pg 10. Never.

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For future reference... If you self vote in every town game you're manipulating your meta to do it in scum games so you can say "Hey I'm town".

That "town tell" holds no weight.

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so who wants to push me first since morality said i was scum?

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why even point out towniness?

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moore townie ish than tacos post?

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moore townie ish than tacos post?

yes?

i dont understand what ur saying really sorry

Yeah that's my point

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Lmao. Boons word isn't golden. You're going to need actual reasoning.

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Fykus I trusted you. You were the chosen one. You were supposed to bring a level mind to the situation. Not add fire to it.

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I definitely town read chumba atm.

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Almost decided to tunnel buddy you lol. I never buddy I'm just stating my position.

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VOTE: dunker

If we need a flip I'm leaning towards this.

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Lmao "can't trust town to play a proper game here". Didn't know the all seeing eye was with us. I understand the hesitation but let's get to day 3 before we start making large assumptions like that.

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I like the rest of that breakdown though.

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Not getting any clear reads so I will vote based off of what is evident. Havo hammered a townie. I know he warned us that he would, but still. That's not a half bad way for a scum to get a fast d1 and excuse himself for picking off town.

VOTE: Havo

eww.

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not trying to speed through anything except day 1.

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D1 Final vote count

Morality (7):

UnaBombaH, Lycanfire, profii, Chumba, Tchill13, Morality, Havo

Dunkerdoodles (2):

eth0s, Fykus

Sergtacos (1):

Nero Cain

Fykus (1):

Dunkerdoodles

Nero Cain (1):

Sergtacos

not voting (1):

randomidget

with 13 alive, it took 7 to lynch.

lets say 1 scum was for sure on because morality self voted... id bet in order from most to least likely scum....

Lycan, una, profii, chumba, havo, tchill.

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not feeling good about una or profii. fine with lynching either.

profii if not havo then who else is scum?

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i dont buddy lol. i just point out play i like.

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i'd like to see more input from una

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why... am i scum over tacos? pertaining to your opening posts this day phase.

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"because boon" ok buddy.

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Hm, idk, i think boon could be in character.

this is a really bad post after boon's spree about you being town

so who wants to push me first since morality said i was scum?

townyish i think

scum would probably start defending themselves right away

tho i will vote you to start

VOTE: tchill

i'm probably going about this the wrong way. there's a good chance dunk is town here. however, Dunk needs to be able to analyze the game on his own (which he shows in this post he's capable). My issue is "because boon said" clearly gives dunker an out to analyze and project his thoughts in one direction but play in another direction. No town motivation to do that. This is why i'm weary of dunk. I will say that I would not be surprised at all if he just blindly trusted "the all seeing eye" Boon.

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I'm about to put lycan at 99 percent town.

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okok you gotta understand though, we can't just ignore what boon said, in fact we really should trust it more since he's conf town.

i'm sorting the game on my own, just using boons reads as well.

and you gotta understand if you're scum this is exactly the easiest way to go about it.

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in fact we can ignore what boon said because he was wrong about me. Since i know that i also know he was probably wrong about the other stuff. I would imagine Scum is gonna take advantage of this and push boons beliefs so they dont have to take credit for it.

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just a reminder

I have difficulty reading dunk and tacos.

Una is a very good town player i've seen it with my own eyes.

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in fact we can ignore what boon said because he was wrong about me. Since i know that i also know he was probably wrong about the other stuff. I would imagine Scum is gonna take advantage of this and push boons beliefs so they dont have to take credit for it.

see i don't think you're playing in a towny mindset. as town you need to use all the information available to try and find scum which is what im trying to do.

if you're town, show me you're town and work with me ok?

this is just false. you're voting me because of what boon said.

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pushing me with reason is valid. not this.

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Lmao derpy posted and I was like what in the world who the hell is he playing as and well... Go figure lol.

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this is basically scum trying to get us to ignore valid points.

What valid points have been made?

You haven’t made any

instead of defending himself all tchill's saying is "boon's wrong and no one should sheep him cause he's wrong"

from a scum perspective, tchill basically has to brute force his way out like this or he's getting lynched.

maybe my words are coming out weird but i should be making sense here

pedit: i will say i like the new style a lot more

pedit 2: i didn't say that?

This will not mean much but as scum I would just let someone else point out your argument of "boon said" and I'd be done with it. It's really not that threatening even if I were scum.

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Dunker you have provided thoughts and reads and completely went the other way using "boon said". That's the issue.

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Town: lycan and chumba

Null: everyone else

Can never read: dunker or taco.

Dunker attempt: I don't see how his play here benefits him long term has scum. Sure he gets one mislynch but that's it and due to experience I'm willing to town lean.

Tacos attempt: there is none. Null.

Scum tingles: UNA, profii

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Scum hunting is how you win though? That's the point. Scum can't scum hunt and town can. So a lack of scum hunting is a red flag. Forcing yourself to help town in other ways is only gonna hurt town in the long run imo.

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Phoneposting for now, will be on comp. later today.
I believe in Boons gutreads, at least as far as to have some confirmation my own initial reads.

I'm feeling a slight disconnect from this game though, and that is mainly because I didn't get to participate a lot D1...

I'll look for quotes when I have a keypad and mouse, but for now I have no trouble seeing Chumba+Chill, OR one of them pocketing the other.
I do not know why Chill scumleans me, maybe its because of my activity so far.
I do not like the fact he calls me a good townplayer, he knows my ego is very easy to masturbate.

I've seen you breakdown a game before. You did it very well. You didn't act like boon was some superior player then and you showed a lot of independence. The opposite of what I'm seeing from you here. That's why I feel like you're scum.

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So profii why talk about tacos could be framed instead of building and pushing a case on fykus?

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Just because you town read me UNA doesn't mean I town read you.

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Looking forward to when fykus comes in and contributes. Please don't wait for a wagon to be on your before you do that

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Also like eth0s breakdown of the game. Didn't see much information he came up with on his own though so I'm still a bit weary but off to a good start.... Now back to waiting.

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im wiling to lynch chumba, if he flips town, then lets lynch dunker

If you're town what do you think about profii trying to defend you? Do you think he makes a valid point or does it concern you at all he might be trying to buddy you?

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Ok finally caught up, i apologise for not posting sooner. It seems the general consensus is that using boons reading is a no-no (for now at least, maybe tomorrow or something when we have a bit more info to reminisce on itll come in handy).

UNVOTE: chumba

I think the chumba v profii stuff might be tvt aswell as dunk v teech.

i liked ethos's catchup so town points to him, still unsure of everyone else although its pretty sketchy that midget hasnt posted at all. I've gotta head off for a bit but when i come back i'll do a more substantive post.

Since boon reads are off the table what about nero reads?

umm that part in parenthesis... if youre scum youre gonna push a lynch you know boon had correct to justify a mislynch later... so... whos your scumread fykus?

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Phoneposting for now, will be on comp. later today.
I believe in Boons gutreads, at least as far as to have some confirmation my own initial reads.

I'm feeling a slight disconnect from this game though, and that is mainly because I didn't get to participate a lot D1...

I'll look for quotes when I have a keypad and mouse,

but for now I have no trouble seeing Chumba+Chill, OR one of them pocketing the other.
I do not know why Chill scumleans me, maybe its because of my activity so far.

I do not like the fact he calls me a good townplayer, he knows my ego is very easy to masturbate.

^Town!Chill above

i said i liked una earlier but i don't like this quick turn around

VOTE: una

oh man i finally feel good about a read on dunker. i hope i'm right lol.

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i love how i call out una for lazy play and im the one he wants lynched. opportunistic vote? yes. i want you to play better.

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its a tr dunker.

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i mean im not gonna sit here and turn mafia into dissproving boons d1 reads. if you want to lynch me and save me from that garbage go ahead. that's just lazy town play thats not confident enough to play independantly. if you agree with boon thats fine. explain why. if you make a case cus "boon said"... well you'll get no credit from me in fact i will discredit you. Because that's lazy and it won't win us the game.

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we get a nice fine quick day 1 and it manages to seep into day 2 because "the all seeing eye" had a few worshipers that are blindly following.

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my analysis is scum are probably laying back and letting town lead town to a mislynch thats fueled by boons read... if i had to guess. So what if i said tacos was scum?

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VOTE: sergtacos

OK buddy.

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"only voting to put some pressure" means he's saying its not a real vote. once again dunk says one thing but doesn't fully commit to it.

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Lol fine

There was a suggestion on day 1 that Taco has a scummy playstyle,

Firstly, do you agree?
Secondly, can you share what he did to cause your vote and explain why?

Last one- I’ll assume you are not on board with my theory if you are voting but do you acknowledge it as a possible option or do you say 0% chance

i agree. he's just sitting back not doing anything which is probably what scum would do but i voted him instead of... lets say havo because havo actually did something day 1 where tacos didnt. your theory is possible. its also possible your getting ahead of yourself and nero died simply because he was pushing tacos.

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Good lord...

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Lycan do you think scum are sitting back and letting town lead town to a mislynch?

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I mean I only used his self vote as a reason to vote him and end the first day phase. Is that what you want to hear profii?

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well there you go. thats why i did it.

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VOTE: fykus

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i really think scum is sitting back rn. willing to give Dunk, profii TR's. i think Profii is just trying to find things to do since he can't scum hunt. I'd like more input from lycan and una.

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You think scum is sitting back letting town lead town to a mislynch or not?

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It's just a thought I want people to take a side on... Profii is playing super weird imo. The activity of this game dropped like a rock and I'm not sure why... I still wouldn't mind lynching tacos.

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Dunker/fykus/ taco team seems too easy

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I'd dunk town fykus and tacos scum.

Yes I have trouble reading tacos but he is playing different even for tacos

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i think it's either tchill/chumba/someone or fykus/tacos/someone
profii and lycan are near lock town for me

i agree that lycan is lock town but why profii?

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Yeah says the guy that doesn't scum hunt. I haven't decided what Avenue I'm confident going down obviously. Just chill a bit buddy.

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oh you're an elitist and you think differently because you are on a superior level. my little brain can't comprehend the ways you're seeing this game right now please know i'll be 5 steps behind you this whole game i do hope the weight of my ignorance doesn't bear down on you too terribly.

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I do find it interesting how people are staying they scum read myself and Tacos, though, yet everyone seemingly votes me.

this is a good point. doing a re-read and i'm leaning tacos/fykus scum at this point in it.

Nero town for now.

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I literally made like two actual posts prior to this page, so anyone pushing that as scum is scummy as hell and really stretching. I don’t like early games.

@Unah - you made a comment that i don’t think any of them will understand due to everyone e else but you is unaware, I believe. I don’t care if it’s aware, but yeah. Nobody is, I believe.

everyone will naturally stretch on day 1, it's not scummy

instead of profii commenting on the lack of tacos votes profii moves to discredit morality here.

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I mean, I was obvious town.

Clearly.

If you are town, you let people hard take advantage of you. Haha.

My meta shows that I wasn’t hard town right now, so take advantage of that.

I generally win games I die in early, so this is fine.

i can't exactly remember how much chumba and boon have played together. I think they've played enough for boon to know chumba is pretty deadset on stupid town gambits being too hurtful so this really should have been no surprise to boon.

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oh my goodness i give more reads on dead players than anyone on site lmao. sorry.

dunk where is the contradiction? not sure what you are pointing out.

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also boon later said tacos is town so wouldn't that contradict that statement?

ok i gotcha. Dunk i need you to level with me. For whatever reason Boon thinks he can read me well. Yes generally Boon has good reads but he was wrong about me. I'm not gonna disregard all his reads because of that... looking back that's a pretty silly thing to do. He was right about nero, i'm going to assume he was right about tacos (because tacos has done his play to react thing so far) and i feel like he was right about you as well. You're making reads that make sense from my perspective. Youi usually dont post as much which is where my trouble comes from.

Boon caught me day 1 in my earliest/ most inexperienced scum game im pretty sure... since then i've been town every game except one where he was town and thought i was town but i was scum. Not sure where this "ik tchill" read comes from. Just be sure to back up you'r agreements with boon with reasoning.

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Taco is town af. Lol

Disagree but your opinion doesn’t hold much weight to me.

i kinda feel the same way at this point. Usually tacos is more active with his play to create reactions. He did it some early but thats it from what i've seen.

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But seriously, you guys have seen my town game before, albeit it’s been a while since I have a completed town game, I’ll admit, but please listen to my reads.

I have set town up so hard for a win here with this early twilight.

Boon's biggest issue is his ego. Nothing is more fueled by ego than certainty in early day 1 reads. So please play the game independently dunk. I'm just saying i wouldn't be shocked if he was wrong about tacos.

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the only reason i'm posting more is because i'm trying to get out of my lurking habit. i would hope you don't try to read me based on that

i will admit, although i've seen some sketchy posts you are townier than others so if we can work together that'd be great

pedit: honestly tacos could just be frozen/lurking
we need posts from him

activity is NAI. i'm not reading you based off activity it's your content i like. which i see more content from you when you post more obviously.

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VOTE: Tchill im following boon

see this is an issue. We've created an are where someone can piggy back off someone else's motive.

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The first self vote by me was a strategic move that I put to attempt to get people to move off. The Boon reveal was to see how Tchill would react. The change to Nero then back to me locks Tchill in as scum. I have proven that i can read Tchill expertly Day 1’s before, so his post against that is incorrect. I also just won a perfect scum victory with him recently.

The second self vote was because I realized me in the game is going to cause compromise lynched, and instinctively going to have Chumba and Nero, who are both likely town, immediately go against everything I say.

Vigilante, if you exist, kill Taco’s so those two tunnelfucks don’t tunnel him, and you guys can move past that for tomorrow.

@Unah - Please be town, haha. I’m counting on you.

TownTaco: Nero and Chumba are town. They’re going to horribly push you. Don’t push them back.

@Fykus - if you’re town, tunnel Tchill for me, will you?

Knowing how I was Vanilla, the game had brought up so many people okay with the quick lynch, hammer at L-1, players I don’t enjoy debating and dealing with, 100% best path for the day was to quick lynch me and have me do my twilight reads.

If you guys don’t listen to it, on you. Tried to help.

@Unah/Dunker/Tacos - for you guys.

Also, this is my first Day 1 lynch in 3 and a half years. It’s on my last alt, though, that I always get lynched on, though...still, though. I needed this for my town game to transcend.

VOTE: chumba

VOTE: morality

Chumba’s scum, he knows I know he’s scum, and I just can’t prove it yet.

VOTE: Chumba

It’ll get there.

Lynch Chumba for me afterwards, please.

Yeah, I’m town, btw.

Lynch Chumba for me.

Told ya.

Yeah, I was done here. Just push Chumba and the people on my wagon who know my meta.

I was beyond obv town here, and this quick flip, in theory, will help town more than scum. Unless you are all bad with it.

funny to me how morality directly tells fykus to push chumba but fykus immediately pushes chumba based off morality's posts lol.

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VOTE: Chumba chumba it is

and immediately tacos follows in suit.

Not providing a "reactio" but instead a vote he's not accountable for.

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Fykus I trusted you. You were the chosen one. You were supposed to bring a level mind to the situation. Not add fire to it.

do you townread chumba then?

boon told him to tunnel you, he is voting chumba so really this doesn't make sense unless you are defending him.

i feel like tchill/chumba is very possible

makes sense why this got thrown around.

Dunk is town.

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VOTE: taco

Stupid boon trying to distract me from lynching scum

chumba why did you vote tacos here instead of fykus? he cherry picked what morality said versus tacos just known for being scummy.

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VOTE: taco

Stupid boon trying to distract me from lynching scum

i dont like this post though sounds very scummy, and the next post of "stop buddying me" sounds forced.

half of tacos posts is saying someone else forced their post.

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Quickly checking in I’ll pick up on some specific observations later when I have more time.

My first impression of day 2 is that everyone seems to have focussed on the boon-drama, this is a fairly natural thing to do I think but he was VT so although he appears to be a well regarded player on this site, I’m wary about considering he’s reads super locked on and wonder if the scum have used the natural drama focus to cast shade early

It concerns me that no one has mentioned Nero so far.

I agree some slots need to engage, so just to that effect for now
VOTE: eth0s

boon spewed nero town so i'm not surprised he died tbh

i mean i don't know why scum didn't kill me but im not complaining
speaking of which ^
i have reasons to think lycan isn't scum so he is one of my top townreads.

well no you miss my point. Scum already know who is on their team so they don’t care what Boon said

They could have killed one of the slots like Eth0s or midget who had 5 posts between them on day 1 and we would have woke and been like omg guys we know nothing now

They _choose_ Nero, Obviously it was day 1 so despite his PR, he knew nothing yet so his reads were as random as anyone, however I wonder if the scum looked at his posts and went

“If we kill Nero, town will think he was on to us as he had a bit of a boner for Tacos, they’ll probably lynch Tacos next”

Go read Nero’s ISO

this is where profii begins to protect tacos.

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If we kill Nero, town will think he was on to us as he had a bit of a boner for Tacos, they’ll probably lynch Tacos next”

Or maybe taco is actually scum and they killed Nero hoping nobody looks into it.

Taco hasn’t done anything that resembles town play yet.

the issue with this is if scum have any competent players with taco i doubt they allow that kill. Then again simplest solution could be true.

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so tacos/fykus/profii is what you're proposing?

off the top of my head i think una is a more likely partner than profii

im not proposing anything yet. no need to propose a team we are on day 2. I just want find 1 scum first.

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If we kill Nero, town will think he was on to us as he had a bit of a boner for Tacos, they’ll probably lynch Tacos next”

Or maybe taco is actually scum and they killed Nero hoping nobody looks into it.

Taco hasn’t done anything that resembles town play yet.

I don't think "Let's hope town don't look into how the game went" is a likely or viable strategy for scum.

Interesting that you get a scum read from that.

here profii is showing fine reasoning the issue is at this point if tacos is scum so is profii.

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Let’s see

randommidget - ?
Fykus - concern at that rush to lynch today, but had promised further analysis
Dunker - seems to be posting in a towny manner
Tchill - you seem to have ceased your concerning efforts to buddy me
Sergtacos - town lean on the basis I think he is getting stitched up today for a mislynch
UnaBombah - town lean
Lycan - town lean
Havo - set themselves up for a free pass today, null read but concerned.
eth0s - need more content, null.
Chumba - potential involvement in stitching up of Taco so scum lean

That’s where I’m at. Feel free to query

defending tacos because scum would be too dumb to blatantly kill nero is fine reasoning.

thats your only play though. You have ONE possible scum lean. All you're doing is defending tacos.

Yeah thats a little concerning.

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If we kill Nero, town will think he was on to us as he had a bit of a boner for Tacos, they’ll probably lynch Tacos next”

Or maybe taco is actually scum and they killed Nero hoping nobody looks into it.

Taco hasn’t done anything that resembles town play yet.

this sounds like he's thinking too hard on trying to make me look scum. lol this guy is obv scum

im pretty sure day 2 is taco tunneling chumba.

after fykus decided to vote chumba.

after taco decided to vote me because of morality but fykus voted chumba...

now chumba is obv scum lol.

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#292

Scum!taco had to go into the night chat and either say or read his mate say “Nero’s on to me, let’s kill him” “surely town will read his ISO and look for clues as to why he died” “no no no”

Scum-team!no-Taco might have said “right who is looking scummy” “a couple of people have said Taco looks scummy” “ok guys find someone who was really gunning for Taco and town will think Taco nk’d him because of the threat” “kill Nero”

Click on Nero’s iso and it’s very clear he had a strong focus on Taco.

For me the scum have to manipulate town so the latter scenario seems way more effective for them than your plan so I’m happy to stand by it

profii if i asked you who was scum and you couldn't say chumba could you give me an answer?

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If this was the definitive mafia playbook we would have already insta-lynch Tacos.

I don't see why.

I think the legitimate reason to put the 2 theories out there is when we do get the flip, we can see who was pushing for the mislynch or pushing to save a scammer depending on which way it goes so it still holds some value. Now we have got into the mechanics of it, people are more likely to sit on the fence so that’s a shame. There were tells to be had imo!

"DAE think tacos is town because I think tacos is town due to NKA" uhm, yeah, I suppose you encouraged people to in push tacos in reverse? Forgive me if your conclusion here (the rather expressive "there were tells to be had!") doesn't ring the sincerity bell.

Thoughts?

You care too much about the scum pt, get a better read on this thread instead.

great post.

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profii i have no issue with your theory except that it's all you provide. very easy to get ahead of yourself with that line of thinking. You "assume" the scum team is good enough to account for that "blatant" mistake. Giving people too much credit is more dangerous than not giving people enough credit. you become your worst enemy at that point.

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What did I say - that speculation was ultimately pointless? If you want Tacos there's a number of reasons you can push - except - you don't want Tacos, and want to make it about NKA and why he's probtown as a result. Meanwhile you're upset with me for playing spoiler to your attempt to gain "tells"... Did I mention the conversation was pointless? Most concerning is that your reads are genuinely unhelpful, if not anti-town. How it's okay to leave them in that state and instead speculate on something you should have no knowledge of, and then dig into that position when told to move on is complete wank.

now im trying to figure out if profii is scum defending his scum buddy or misguided town.

Lycan what do you think?

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ok im on pg 15. back in a bit.

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I literally made like two actual posts prior to this page, so anyone pushing that as scum is scummy as hell and really stretching. I don’t like early games.

@Unah - you made a comment that i don’t think any of them will understand due to everyone e else but you is unaware, I believe. I don’t care if it’s aware, but yeah. Nobody is, I believe.

everyone will naturally stretch on day 1, it's not scummy

instead of profii commenting on the lack of tacos votes profii moves to discredit morality here.

This is a terrible post

last thought: this is actually a great post. It shows that before Scum could have "framed" tacos profii showed a passiveness to discuss or vote tacos.

this is why even though you aren't too terribly scummy and have a mindset about the situation i can agree with....

you could still be his partner.

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Like I don’t want to strong arm any lynches because people hate when I do it but I just don’t really see how tacos or fykus for that matter are town.

I'm leaning towards tacos being the lynch today anyways I've got about 10 more pages to go.

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I'll finish catch up tonight. Man this content is so impressive

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Lmao. Long time no see.

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Is it too much to ask to let me ever re-read a game?... I'm much better at reading mulch than tacos so this isn't necessarily bad.

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There were more than 1 players who said Taco had a naturally scummy play style even when town, therefore scum know it could be easy to lead us to Taco lynch. Then they can pick any player who took exception to Taco and lead us there. .

Ok. So who wasn’t scum reading taco day 1, that’s pushing for his lynch day 2?

If nobody your theory is proven wrong and mine moves to a more likely scenario (and omg that’s the one that’s more likely to happen anyway)

If I’m wrong about you and you are town. I suggest you learn what Occam’s razor is.

Now I’m curious who is pushing taco today.

P.edit - well thought out posts more often come from scum. What else?

Mine. Smh

this is true

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Going to start working my way backwards through the thread:
eth0s,

1.randommidget - presumably. Chumba = a derpy alt.
2. agree, although I am going to spend a bit of time on the boon reads and how people have reacted to them, ultimately he was a VT and it was day 1, they don't hold significant weight with me. I'll be more interested in people reacting/using them, as given their lack of weight, to utilise them in any significant way seems a stretch but that's without having seen the arguments.


4. On the one hand, I don't want to create a dramasphere for day 2 that becomes me vs Derpy. However, he appears to me as the sort of player who get's his way by shouting the loudest and people just end up following it which I take exception to, the game becomes derpy and his gang vs scum, whereas we are all a team and should have equal roles and it should be town vs scum. The game works better if we listen to everyone because they will propose stretched theories and it leads to scum. I'd much prefer if Derpy said 'I can see how your theory works, but I disagree with it and feel it's more likely to be xyz' whereas trying to dismiss it as not possible, becomes sketchy behaviour, however, I know this is his tact through past experience. I don't have to like it though.

i dont recall profii building on point 2. just consistently talking about what scum may or may not do.

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My first impression of day 2 is that everyone seems to have focussed on the boon-drama, this is a fairly natural thing to do I think but he was VT so although he appears to be a well regarded player on this site, I’m wary about considering he’s reads super locked on and wonder if the scum have used the natural drama focus to cast shade early

Let’s talk about this theory now.

Fykus and dunkers are basically sheeping boon.

Fykus did so incorrectly, was informed he did so, yet still kept his vote.

Wouldn’t these 2 people be people trying to take advantage of the boon drama?

Dunkers as far as I can tell is just straight up sheeping boon. I don’t really see him adding anything new for tchill and tchill and I share a brain about mafia and yet again we seem to agreed with each other and he didn’t even know it was me. So tchill I’m willing to say is lock town.

my read of these events is the same as yours.
I did not like where Fykus cherry picked certain boon posts and you pointed it out.

Dunkers needs to think for himself urgently, otherwise he is just using boon to say 'well he was VT and I'm sheeping therefore I'm making town posts and you shouldn't scum read me'

oh nevermind... profii we may be able to agree on a fykus lynch.

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Scum hunting is how you win though? That's the point. Scum can't scum hunt and town can. So a lack of scum hunting is a red flag. Forcing yourself to help town in other ways is only gonna hurt town in the long run imo.

The only significant slip for me so far is Fykus cherry picking which posts he quoted. Obviously, that is an undeniable fact.

I could push the Chumba stuff all day long I'm sure, but the day will just get taken over which is negative for everyone. Given Chumba's point that he is the only one pushing Taco today, I'll take satisfaction that I've put enough doubt in the group that it _could_ be a taco frame job and therefore people are reluctant to vote or even get involved (especially as we now know it's derpy)

I could also look at Dunkers sheeping a town flip, but it becomes speculation.

I'm not sure what else there is to pick on so far.

i doubt you're the sole reason people are refusing to vote taco.

its because boon said taco was town.

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So profii why talk about tacos could be framed instead of building and pushing a case on fykus?

Basically I’m hoping for what you posted in 402

He made an error but I don’t see a ‘case’ - I see something that needs explaining, so I’ll push for one if he posts without giving one.

don't like the hesitation shown in pushing fykus.

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i'd like some confirmation that profii usually plays in this style as town? i'm getting used to his style and it explains a few things in his play.

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Ok finally caught up, i apologise for not posting sooner. It seems the general consensus is that using boons reading is a no-no (for now at least, maybe tomorrow or something when we have a bit more info to reminisce on itll come in handy).

UNVOTE: chumba

I think the chumba v profii stuff might be tvt aswell as dunk v teech.

i liked ethos's catchup so town points to him, still unsure of everyone else although its pretty sketchy that midget hasnt posted at all. I've gotta head off for a bit but when i come back i'll do a more substantive post.

Since boon reads are off the table what about nero reads?

doesn't even touch on the fact he cherry picked just dismisses.

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People are misinterpreting and nitpicking on that one post, and I'd say for very stupid reasoning..

I literally said "town!chill above", not that I suddenly thin he is town.
My read on him is a living, interactive thing.
That one post doesn't mean my whole read on him changed - it means that I thought that one post fitted town!Chill.

"fits town tchill" means you think i could be town.

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I also don't see any logic in Nero being NK'd.
Can't spot any crumbs, and his read on Boon was already incorrect.
He did push very heavily towards Serg though..

"i dont see any logic" shows logic in last line.

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caught up...

Town: Dunker, Lycan, Profii

Town lean: Eth0s, Chumba

Null: Una, Notmafia, havo

scum lean: fykus

scum: mulch

notmafia and havo can you please post more.

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caught up...

Town: Dunker, Lycan, Profii

Town lean: Eth0s, Chumba

Null: Una, Notmafia, havo

scum lean: fykus

scum: mulch

notmafia and havo can you please post more.

Vote me bitch

VOTE: Tchill13

OMGUS me

VOTE: mulch

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speaking of which ^
i have reasons to think lycan isn't scum so he is one of my top townreads.

If you are fpsing and Lycan is scum I swear to god UNVOTE: Lycan

scum points for pointing this out.

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man... i've missed you mulch.

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in fact we can ignore what boon said because he was wrong about me. Since i know that i also know he was probably wrong about the other stuff. I would imagine Scum is gonna take advantage of this and push boons beliefs so they dont have to take credit for it.

OR maybe he's right. You intentionally ignoring the fact he coudl be right and trying to trick us that he isn't is scummy

i already corrected my mistake and said it was silly to disregard ALL his reads.

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no reason to interact with mulch until he finishes his catch up dunker.

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if this is your "catch up" and you muck up the thread with 2 word quotes you'll be confirmed scum... just so you know.

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are you done with your catchup mulch?

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are you done with your catchup mulch?

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alright lets do this...

Lets lynch mulch.

Taco wasn't even doing things to generate reactions the later half of his game.

if he flips scum we... expirement with a profii lynch. im thinking profii is town thinking too far ahead. I'm honestly thinking fykus may need to be the next lynch if mulch flips scum.

mulch didnt mention any red flags from fykus in his catch up. Mulch is too good to miss all that stuff but bring up... Eth0s Null scumminess.

If mulch flips town i think Chumba would be scum.

He's played accordingly to his town meta which hasn't been hard at all this game. Boon self voted and tacos is always scummy.

No complex thought process from chumba but sometimes the situation isn't complex at all.

how soes this sound?

[Tchill13]

101 percent mulch.

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tons of small quick posts, back and forth on reads... change up your scum game man.

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tons of small quick posts, back and forth on reads... change up your scum game man.

Name one town game I wasn't back and forth on reads

If you can name ONE game I will self vote and call you the towniest motherfucker to ever life

If you can't name ANY games and prove you are lying, you self vote

deal?

town change reads because town make mistakes.

you change reads to post more in thread and further muck it up.

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viewtopic.php?f=53&t=72397&start=1900

you died day 1. not sure how much you "flipped" reads but you called out the scum team in twilight of day 1. one of my favorite games.

you wouldnt just ignore fykus cherry picking completely as town here

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tons of small quick posts, back and forth on reads... change up your scum game man.

Name one town game I wasn't back and forth on reads

If you can name ONE game I will self vote and call you the towniest motherfucker to ever life

If you can't name ANY games and prove you are lying, you self vote

deal?

town change reads because town make mistakes.

you change reads to post more in thread and further muck it up.

Quote the game bitch or prove you are lying

lmao good response.

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viewtopic.php?f=53&t=72397&start=1900

you died day 1. not sure how much you "flipped" reads but you called out the scum team in twilight of day 1. one of my favorite games.

you wouldnt just ignore fykus cherry picking completely as town here

I literally skimemd the game

i asked multiple times if your catch up was done. thats not a valid excuse.

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ACTUALLY

I'm back to fucking lyncahfire

I refuse to townread someone on a fucking emoji

Look at this town game

viewtopic.php?p=9844826&user_select%5B% ... 1#p9844826

It looks NOTHING likle this

Let's go Lyncan

They have been flying under the radar and unless they give a great fucking excuse for why they've been shit this game when they were dynamic last town game

Rope for you

VOTE: Lyncanfire

yeah because you have time to compare peoples play in other games. unless your specifically pointing this one out because it fits your agenda.

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alright lets do this...

Lets lynch mulch.

Taco wasn't even doing things to generate reactions the later half of his game.

if he flips scum we... expirement with a profii lynch. im thinking profii is town thinking too far ahead. I'm honestly thinking fykus may need to be the next lynch if mulch flips scum.

mulch didnt mention any red flags from fykus in his catch up. Mulch is too good to miss all that stuff but bring up... Eth0s Null scumminess.

If mulch flips town i think Chumba would be scum.

He's played accordingly to his town meta which hasn't been hard at all this game. Boon self voted and tacos is always scummy.

No complex thought process from chumba but sometimes the situation isn't complex at all.

how soes this sound?

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me

[Tchill13]

VOTE: fykus

Nice break down havo

[Tchill13]

Why haven't we lynched fykus yet?

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mulch is prob bussing but yeah fykus is scum.

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If you want I can vote the other scum profi

no stay on fykus lol.

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lol I’m

An even night rolecop


Or a vt

this just lets me know you're preparing for fykus scum flip.

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I'm assuming mulch told fykus to hammer himself so mulch could do something with it.

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I don't think fykus self hammers unless told to.

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Lol. UNA if you want to lead a thought out more complex lynch then get on here and post. Don't complain about other people not doing that when you aren't either.

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lol I’m

An even night rolecop


Or a vt

this just lets me know you're preparing for fykus scum flip.

Shortly after this fykus self hammers lol

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What's it matter if fykus flips town?

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You claimed when a fykus lynch was inevitable after people had started throwing around the idea of tacos/mulch and fykus scum. You're gonna pretend to clear someone tomorrow because you know who's town and you even said "or VT" so an investigative couldn't CC you.

That's what your claim has to do with it.

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In my newbie game, someone imploded and confessed to being scum along with another player (who in the end was scum) but implosion dude flipped VT haha

Moral of the story- I am waiting for the flip before I get excited haha

Always always always a good idea to wait for the flip. Fykus could flip town here I just doubt it.

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Cus you claimed.

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So what was your result?

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speaking of which ^
i have reasons to think lycan isn't scum so he is one of my top townreads.

If you are fpsing and Lycan is scum I swear to god UNVOTE: Lycan

lol I’m

An even night rolecop


Or a vt

now tell me again why una was killed over dunker or mulch...

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you caliemed even night role cop. what was your result night 2?

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why dont you think dunk was killed?

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who do you think should be the next lynch mulch? profii?

[Tchill13]

Not_Mafia (née randomidget)- Good lynhc
Tchill13- Bad lynch
Mulch (née Sergtacos)- Bad lynch
Lycanfire- Good lynch
Dunkerdoodles- Bad lynch
Havo- Bad lynch
eth0s- Good lynch
profii- Good lynch
Chumba- Good lynch--- great lynch

VOTE: CHUMBA

VOTE: not mafia

[Tchill13]

seems like a good compromise to me.

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Why not?

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I think all 3 of them have a better likelihood of being town than them being scum at this point. Why don't you?

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I played with notmafia once a long time ago. He made a bad fake claim for no reason which turned into a 1v1 and we lynched him as scum. Notmafia I'm gonna need you to play a little. I'll lynch you if I think you're scum trying to lurk to avoid playing.

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We're in day 3 he needs to provide some content.

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Mulch I'll compromise on notmafia. Don't like how you're so eager to get off him. You keep attacking chumba for changing his play style ON AN ALTERNATE ACCOUNT lol. Seems like he's playing to his town meta enough. I could see him being scum I just think notmafia is the drection we should go now.

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VOTE: mulch

I'd like for lycan to vote mulch. I tried to cooperate on a notmafia lynch and he wasn't having it.

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I honestly don't see how you're pushing chumba off meta here mulch.

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Mulch made some good points about someone I'll have to go find them. Looking at those posts with an open mind I started to feel he could be town. Profii could be town that's trying to play too far ahead of the game.

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He keeps trying to predict the scum teams plays without having any real knowledge or evidence. Theoretically I agree with him but I don't like to get too far ahead of myself.

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VOTE: Tchill

Wow those posts are super incriminating

It's like Tchill knew Fykus was scum and was preparing to lynch me after for that

And he preemptively scumread me for not catching fykus's nitpicking

He's openwolfing

Jesus christ your a god ethos

Mulch.... Disappointed that Eth0s had to point that out for you to be able to make that argument if you're scum. I was actually expecting you to open with this.

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@mulch why would I town read you for not opening with that?

You pushed chumba until you found an easier Avenue to get the heat off you. If you were town you would have OPENED with the case of "I set mulch up because I was fykus scum partner". That took you a while to even come up with.

Because you're fykus scum partner.

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If you're scum I'd expect you to be good enough to open with that argument. That's why I said I'd be disappointed if you were scum. I would have given you a TR this day phase and been omw. The only reason I can think of for you not voting notmafia is to keep a mislynch target next day phase around unless you're scum with him.

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Ethos/mulch/fykus?

Isn't this a little too easy or am I just getting ahead of myself?

A team of those 3 kinda makes sense except Eth0s straight up sided with mulch on my lynch.

VT is what mulch claimed after he said he might be a role cop and nobody even mentioned that except me I think.

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I vote for a mass claim for what it’s worth.

A mislynch today and it’s Lyle tomorrow.

This.

I'D like notmafia and eth0s to go first.

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Those are my 2 biggest scum reads atm

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oh and I am officially never playing with mulch again acrosss all my accounts. he is clearly a troll account and doesn't care about winning or losing.

and scratch that havo vote, i forgot about ethos

VOTE: ethos

i forgot about his weird 180 on mulch and I don't think he ever responded to my question about it.

the 180 on mulch and the opportunistic push he had on me.

he also called out L-3 which i dont see much on site. seemed a bit eager imo.

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I am against mass claims

i usually am but not the day before a mislynch puts us at lylo. i think it is acceptable then.

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well i think we can at least agree notmafia goes first based on lack of content alone.

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He keeps trying to predict the scum teams plays without having any real knowledge or evidence. Theoretically I agree with him but I don't like to get too far ahead of myself.

@Eth0s this is about profii.

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i tunneled mulch hard because i gave him too much credit.

kinda like the convo from earlier i had with profii talking about your biggest enemy is yourself when you give scum or certain players too much good faith in their skill.

sometimes you expect them to play over their head.

Now Mulch didn't do anything terrible except spam the thread. I believe he does that to make his scum meta line up with his town meta.

He just didn't play as i pictured town mulch would which is my fault for assuming that.

1st time i've read the guy wrong out of about 10 times. Sorry.

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yeah profii good job on the tacos theory.

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Eth0s feel free to claim.

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@Eth0s this is about profii.

but I don't like to get too far ahead of myself.

Well, this is the only part that mattered.

btw eth0s i have an answer prepped and ready to go as soon as you tell me if youre an alt or not

This is my main and only account as of right now.

oh and I am officially never playing with mulch again acrosss all my accounts. he is clearly a troll account and doesn't care about winning or losing.

and scratch that havo vote, i forgot about ethos

VOTE: ethos

i forgot about his weird 180 on mulch and I don't think he ever responded to my question about it.

the 180 on mulch and the opportunistic push he had on me.

he also called out L-3 which i dont see much on site. seemed a bit eager imo.

So you're upset that I briefly scumread mulch when you made like 10 straight posts trying to get us to lynch him? And you call me eager?
VOTE: Tchill

you briefly scumread mulch and take no responsibility for it. "tchill got in my head." I consistently gave effort to lynch that slot.

I have an issue reading slots that Replace in or out.

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wheres my claim

[Tchill13]

claim bro

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I'm a VT.

Next.

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Yeah dunker is the reason lycan was NK'd.

As soon as we all agree to a mass claim eth0s is next.

He's dancing around it too much.

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No we need a mass claim.

Not mafia hasn't been pressured at all. Hasn't provided any content whatsoever.

Havo has gotten by on little to nothing also.

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Since we're one day till lylo scums only important kill is this night phase if we mislynch. I'm OK with risking a PR to make sure we don't make it to lylo.

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We've only had one PR die. I'm not gonna be convinced we shouldn't do this. Too much info to be gained.

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Whats the argument against it?

I just laid down an argument for it.

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I'd say town probably has 2 good PRs left tbh.

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It's worth sacrificing a PR to catch scum at this point.

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Of course you're not. I'd love an actual argument though.

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Yeah that's what I figured.

Eth0s, notmafia and chumba can't all be scum.

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No we need a mass claim.

Not mafia hasn't been pressured at all. Hasn't provided any content whatsoever.

Havo has gotten by on little to nothing also.

Since we're one day till lylo scums only important kill is this night phase if we mislynch. I'm OK with risking a PR to make sure we don't make it to lylo.

We've only had one PR die. I'm not gonna be convinced we shouldn't do this. Too much info to be gained.

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VOTE: notmafia

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Chumba. Doesn't make any sense not to mass claim here.

If we don't then we will lose information we could gain if we mass claim now.

If we run up someone to l-1 they're probably claiming this day phase even if they are scum.

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Sweet. We can wait for eth0s unless notmafia is just super excited.

[Tchill13]

havo, dunk, chumba, tchill are for the massclaim

eth0s and notmafia are against.

that's a majority.

[Tchill13]

havo, dunk, chumba, tchill are for the massclaim

eth0s and notmafia are against.

that's a majority.

profii was for also.

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I'm not claiming at 7p with just a goon flip

and with 1 rubbish PR flip

Either we're in a very low powered set-up with a bunch of named townies, in which case no one care. Or we're going to out good PRs when ascetic Motion Detector implies scum has a roleblocker of some sort. Massclaim utility at this point is minimal and the risk-reward simply means there's no reason to do it

can u do something please
at least give us some reads

Tchill and Profii

VOTE: Tchill

ok, how confident?

Not much

so the guy who hasn't provided any reasoning or substance has towns best interest in mind? While refusing to work with anyone?

what a joke.

Why is havo town over me or profii?

Why do you think eth0s is so scared to claim?

why do you think dunker hasn't been NK'd yet when he is obviously a PR?

why should we run someone up to L-1 just so they can claim a PR because that's what scum is doing this day phase so why not put them in a worse position now? Would you believe someone more or less if they claimed at mass claim versus claiming at L-1?

why not go ahead and talk about the results of PR's night actions to more easily navigate the game and catch a scum player today versus risking losing a PR due to a NK and him not being able to tell us anything? that is lost information only scum benefits from.

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well i just gave him plenty to comment on.