Mini Normal 1983: Winter Wonderland [Endgame!]

[Sephiroth]

Oh hey guys. Who are the scummies?

[Sephiroth]

vote: UCV

[Sephiroth]

is that an rvs vote or an opportunistic vote

is that a false dichotomy?

[Sephiroth]

how is it opportunistic to join a wagon?

[Sephiroth]

lol. Y'all are cute.

[Sephiroth]

Sure, I voted UC because wagons are inherently a good thing. Its neither a RVS vote or a serious vote, its a vote to further a wagon.

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Which is what makes is a false dichotomy.

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I don't really understand why the UC wagon isn't still going tbh.

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Thats too bad I like you =/

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@sheep

No I dont really think its that scummy

[Sephiroth]

Eh. 5 is probably enough.

[Sephiroth]

I'll know if Seph is scum. He lurks hardcore so if i see him lurk i will be putting him in a strong scum read.

Not really true.

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Don't really have any reads yet

[Sephiroth]

vote: UCV

scum slipping onto the wagon?
happy with my vote.

Sounds like someone is ready to get complacent.

[Sephiroth]

is play isnt that good or townie but it makes sense for someone who feels clueless as either alignment. will see if context strengthens this though

Yeah I only engineered two mislynches and convinced the conftown to vote against a claimed vanilla cop in MYLO for the win. Pretty poor play.

[Sephiroth]

Lol I know, I'm just rereading and that caught my eye. I was very proud of my scum performance that game.

[Sephiroth]

I hate when games balloon from 5 to 12 overnight =/ Any specific questions people want answered? I'll be posting some preliminary thoughts and reads later tonight.

[Sephiroth]

Who are your scumpartners?

I'll show you mine if you show me yours

[Sephiroth]

Mine are my mom and you, so this is awkward.

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No, this is Patrick.

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Sigh.

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VOTE: Not_Mafia L-1 this pls and make him claim.

I guess I just don't understand a) what about my interaction with nm made you think he was scum, and b) why the hell you want a claim

[Sephiroth]

I'm not scum tho, so how does that change your perspective?

[Sephiroth]

Yes I'm asking him how his reads change with me as town.

[Sephiroth]

No offense but please let me have my own interactions with players, you don't need to translate =)

[Sephiroth]

I was asking bujaber not you but I appreciate your honesty. I usually tr people when they flip toqwn also.

[Sephiroth]

Top scum reads are hem, mozamis and bujaber. I think UCV could easily be scum this game based on meta but the other three are stronger reads.

Kat and n_m feel town. I think flubber is probably being mislynched and I'm fairly confident at least one scum is on that wagon. I also don't think Hop is scum, and I'm surprised kat is pushing the argument she is because it doesnt seem very convincing to me.

Who knows with Serg. Sheep is probably town but something pings me as off. No read on Inter or Schism yet.

Mozamis, can you tell me specifically why you townread these players when you made this post? Youre basically saying on page 7 that you refuse to vote these people today and I see zero justification to do so at that point in the game. So why were those players so strongly town so early?

Might post more later. I think theres a lot of bad reads going around so far.

[Sephiroth]

n_m, am I supposed to read the top as most scummy or bottom as most scummy?

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He's showed a willingness to prematurely lynch or solicit a claim several times. I don't view that as pro town behavior.

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You're entitled to your opinion.

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I don't see what about it indicates to you whether its from an informed or uninformed position. Kinda seems like you pulled that from thin air.

Soliciting a claim on D1 with no consensus to lynch is always scummy in my book.

[Sephiroth]

thx bb

[Sephiroth]

You seem to mysteriously think the popular wagons are the scummiest, despite me pretty much not having posted for like 7 pages. Thats p convenient.

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I think monkey’s calls for a quicklynch are null at worst.

Agree to disagree. No need to explain what informed and uninformed mean, I'm asking what about the post gave you a sense one way or another. Please answer that question and stop trying to explain basics to me.

[Sephiroth]

Specifically, what made you say that you don't think its coming from an informed position.

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So you're saying that you dont consider HEMs calls for quicklynches and claim scummy within the overall context of his posting. Got it. I find it odd that you brought up uninformed vs informed in this context, since I don't think it was directly relevant and it took you a while to answer. Personally I don't think HEMs push onto hopkirk holds much water under close examination, since he brings up WKing without acknowledging that we don't know anyones alignments. Its only WKing if you can know that the person WKed is town. IE hes hinting he knows someones alignment by pushing the WK argument so early in the game. But as with sheep you are entitled to your opinion.

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To build on the definition, its kind of like the opposite of bussing. Scum do it for town cred by then saying "BUT IF I WAS SCUM I WOULDNT HAVE DEFENDED THAT PERSON WHO LFIPPED TOWN"

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Do you disagree that claiming someone is WKing at that point in the game suggests you have more information than most other players?

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To me thats a scum slip.

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Also, youve heard of Occam's razor, yes? Just in regards to how much benefit of the doubt you're giving HEM.

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Lol sheep you always think I'm talking to you. I'm talking to Kat haha.

[Sephiroth]

occams razor would suggest that he wants a quicklynch because quicklynch benefits scum =/

[Sephiroth]

You're making up wifom explanations for something that is inherently anti-town (by your own admission).

[Sephiroth]

I didn't get too much rereading if I'm being honest. If you want to talk to someone ask some questions.

[Sephiroth]

Occam's razor would also suggest that he feels that getting n_m to L-1 and giving intent to hammer Flubber would pressure them strongly and hence is town

But I see your point there

I think we have a fundamental disagreement on what the simplest explanation is but I'm happy to drop it for now. You're probably town but I find your town read on HEM surprising even after hearing it explained.

[Sephiroth]

Would love to hear more from inter and something from schism would be nice.

[Sephiroth]

Hes scum so yeah, that makes sense.

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probably

[Sephiroth]

If I'm being completely honest lurking isn't AI for UC. Thats not why I lean scum on him.

[Sephiroth]

would you be willing to say why you have the scumlean
iirc you said meta

I think an aggressive entrance to a game is more often indicative of scum UCV than not.

[Sephiroth]

For more specifics I would have to talk about ongoing games so thats all I will say.

[Sephiroth]

Okay. Lets just say I've read a lot of UCV games, because thats also true.

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Compared to other entrances that I have seen it is *shrug* hes my 4th highest scum read so I'm not sure why this is so important to you.

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Comment on my scum reads assholes

10/10 would vote for either.

[Sephiroth]

flub, what do you think of mozamis?

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Oh boy that's a lot of pages

i know right?

[Sephiroth]

from what ive read, my scumreads are ucv, you, bu, hop which might change when i read what happened overnight
i havent payed a whole lot of attention to hem or serg so i might want to look at them later

Werent you just swearing up and down that this game was UCVs town meta? Did it really change that drastically based on the pop in? Is he now your top scum read?

[Sephiroth]

It seems like theres the most consensus for bujaber lynch. I don't support the flubber lynch because I'm not sure I understand the argument being made that hes scum?

[Sephiroth]

Scum probably has day chat (OP would not say anything about it otherwise)

Lots of mods list it just to keep it open. Methinks theres another reason for this confidence.

[Sephiroth]

Seph, talk to me about HUM going from sheep being high town to part of the scum team(???)

I mean, another thing to add to my list of HEM scum tells. I really want to lynch them today I think.

[Sephiroth]

I'm not good at setup speculation, but the inclusion of "mafia encryptor" phrase is too specific to not have day chat. there's a possibility of a red herring but occam's razor.

Eh. I guess I can see that. I hadn't seen the encryptor part, just thought they had the standard 'may or may not have day talk' blurb.

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i also dont like how you're defending hopkirk

i think the perspective is coming from someone who isn't town. just because it's not written in the wiki, doesn't mean it's not valid.

also i think your defense is not coming from someone who is town. even if hopkirk is town here.

tune down your aggressiveness because it's kind of obvious that you're faking it

Okay, can you explain why you thought that when you had previously thought sheep was clearly town? What specifically about the defense gave you scum vibes?

[Sephiroth]

Oh good point, the timeline is backwards. Didn't like his defense, then suddenly town, then scum team with no real explanation.

[Sephiroth]

You're right, 2 votes is not very many.

unvote, vote: HEM

[Sephiroth]

I checked the vote count and there were two votes. Two is a small number. I want it to be a large number. I added my vote. Not sure what you're getting at with this line of questioning.

To answer your question more directly I would happily put them at -2 if presented the opportunity but I wouldn't put the -1 on if he was already at -2.

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I think these three posts show that HEM's intentions are transparently not to just off Flubber.

Him asking for a votecount and pointing out that a lack of a VC is an easy excuse for scum to "accidentally" quickhammer shows that he's at least taking precautions. If he was being careless and just wanted Flubber to get quicklynched, there's no point in doing this. He could plausibly be scum trying to get towncred from this but that's not the argument being made.

Sure, there's risk involved in leaving someone at L-1, but 193 and him taking precautions shows that he's aware of that and is specifically creating an environment where if that were to happen there would be sufficient grounds to analyze the hammer beyond an ambiguous "oh, well, it was an accident!".

I suppose. I just don't think its particularly hard to take that stance and appear protown as scum here. At the end of the day he does want a quick lynch, if not a 'quicklynch', namean?

[Sephiroth]

I'm rethinking my town read on flubber for that reason, btw. Not playing favorites. I don't like how keen he is on tunneling HEM or how he accuses me of being HEM's partner because I'm hesitant to call it a day.

[Sephiroth]

My scum team is not a team yet, just people I want flipped D1.

It's Flubb and Hopkirk, but Hopkirk-Buj does not make sense. So it could be sheep, as the third partner. Quote this in end game.

[Sephiroth]

Huh. Learn something new every day.

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I don't know if this is scum serg or town serg tbh

[Sephiroth]

serg is as serg does

[Sephiroth]

top is scummiest. Bottom tier I don't really want to lynch today. Could be persuaded otherwise. Middle tier I don't have a particularly strong read on.

Bu
Sheep

Mozamis
Serg
Schism
DYKDW

HEM
Inter
Hopkirk
n_m
Flubber
Kat

The Bu wagon stalled kind of awkwardly and that intrigues me.

unvote, vote: Bu

[Sephiroth]

People are ordered within their tiers, though.

[Sephiroth]

Flub stop tunneling for now and vote bu. Its the cool new hip thing to do.

[Sephiroth]

[Sephiroth]

Seph, why did you vote me?

I checked the vote count and there were two votes. Two is a small number. I want it to be a large number.

Also, do you think Hopkirk v Monkey is TvT?

Why am I being called HEM or HUM? May I be called Monkey instead?

Probs town vs town. I'm not married to my reads but for now thats the vibe I'm getting. Sorry I didn't know you preferred Monkey, totally happy to call you that instead =)

[Sephiroth]

Just to be clear I no longer think it should be a large number but that was my thinking at the time.

[Sephiroth]

I'm glad we're all in agreement on a Bu wagon though, I think thats the best route for the moment.

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But Seph, did you think I was scum or was it pressure vote or is there another reason?

I thought the possibility of you being scum was worth exploring given how I initially scum read you.

[Sephiroth]

What about Hop and I's interaction made you think it was TvT instead of someone being scum there?

You both feel genuine to me. Its not a matter of whos right and whos wrong so much as whos mindset makes sense. I can see town hop and town monkey going at eachother like this. I think of the two scumHEM makes more sense than scumHop but thats mostly gut if I'm being honest.

[Sephiroth]

also can we call monkey monkey? thanks

fuck my bad

[Sephiroth]

the mans name is Monkey.

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Bottom six are town reads and they're in order. It would be much harder to convince me of Kat lynch than it would be a Monkey or Inter lynch.

[Sephiroth]

Schism needs a prod or replace. Its unacceptable to have not posted at all at this point.

[Sephiroth]

im not seeing how the fuck inter can end up as someone's "much harder to convince me to lynch" pile alongside kat

huh. I thought I explained it pretty well tbh.

[Sephiroth]

Bottom six are town reads and they're in order. It would be much harder to convince me of Kat lynch than it would be a Monkey or Inter lynch.

[Sephiroth]

I liked the posts when he made them. I hope he makes more.

[Sephiroth]

to whoever said i was scummy for making strong townread early on: it's just how i play, i like to narrow it down day one and play captain obvious/occams razor.
you can wifom if you want but those townreads are unlikley to be scum.

I just want you to explain to me why you felt those people were town at that point in the game.

[Sephiroth]

can you specify which posts you like
or go into more detail

Mainly the part where he voted Bu.

[Sephiroth]

I fucking love ketchup dude.

[Sephiroth]

I like to mix mayo and ketchup on my cheeseburgers, shit is dank.

[Sephiroth]

@mod: Can we please prod or move to replace Schism?

[Sephiroth]

you are either blind or stupid, since i gave out reads very quickly - too quicklyu according to some - and you cant get purer content than reads.
tl;dr: STFU.

tbh this tone isn't good at all. toxic for really no reason =/

[Sephiroth]

Angry + toxic doesn't always mean protown.

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You just called me a dick and then told me to be civil in the same post like what

Just be fucking civil you shitting cuntflap

WHO ARE YOU CALLING COOTIE QUEEN YOU LINT LICKER

[Sephiroth]

WHAT THE FRENCH, TOAST?

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Too far dude.

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Too far.

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pagetop

If you spent half as much time scumhunting as you do hunting for pagetops I would probably town read you. Just saying.

[Sephiroth]

TY!

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Again people were trying to derail the Bu wagon right before it got to lynch. Will be taking a good hard look at those people if Bu flips scum.

In fact...

dayvig: sheep

[Sephiroth]

2 scums in one day is p good I think

[Sephiroth]

Hey it was worth a shot

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I thought you seemed the most likely to say something incriminating if you were scum

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I dunno. At the end of the day players are responsible for their votes and at the end of the day there were 7 votes placed. I think it should be a lynch.

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Like, purely from a game integrity standpoint. Thats my alignment irrelevant opinion here. My alignment relevant position is that I want to see the results of this lynch.

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Based on Mod saying the VC was up until 810, its possible that its not lynch. I don't really feel like counting tbh.

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I still think we should lynch Bu just sayin'

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UNVOTE:

this isnt a good lynch anymore
town line of thinking recently
and i agree with moz that he did well under pressure

Who isn't a good lynch, and who has a town line of thinking?

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Bussing is a thing. I don't have any problem with the Bu lynch considering how much it tells us. It seems like you are very afraid of a Bu lynch.

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Why am I town?

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Why would a Bu/Hop/Flubber team like Monkey was hypothesizing bus when they have plenty of other lynch options, like mozamis or DYKDW?

Can you rephrase this? Read it like 4 times, still confused what you're saying

[Sephiroth]

Are you two serious right now? 851 is clearly when I was mixed up witht the setup and 852 is where I remember.

I was talking to Monkey?

[Sephiroth]

basically if the players on bu's wagon are bussing then it's a bad idea because they have other options that they can easily hop on to

Oh, you mean how like several players randomly decided NOW was the time for a UCV wagon once the Bu wagon heated? Its pretty clear to me the sudden deflation of Bu's wagon was hesitance to bus on the part of their partners. The same thing happened with their wagon much earlier in the day.

[Sephiroth]

That is not a protown rationale to avoid a D1 lynch. To claim there's nothing to find with associatives given there were two major wagons on him, which both mysteriously deflated, is see-through BS. The ONLY way someone is legit worried about this lynch is if its their partner. SOMEONE will be lynched today, Bu gives us a crazy amount of info, its absurd that you're worried that associatives are WIFOM. THEY ALWAYS ARE.

You haven't elaborated at all about how people on the wagon are scummier than him, and he was previously a very high scum read. Dropping that makes no sense.

[Sephiroth]

For example, Hopkirk is a great D1 lynch. Very great D1 lynch.

Hopkirk gives us significantly less info than Bu. I really don't understand your reasoning here.

[Sephiroth]

Explain what info you will get from BuJ's flip. Because I can explain what info I can get from Hopkirk's flip.

You can explain it because its superficial, made up. There were two major wagons on Bu that rose and fell mysteriously with people switching sides. Knowing his alignment allows me to pick apart those wagons. If you think you know everything from Hops flip without actually rereading the day you're full of shit or REALLY bad town.

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Like if you're town I don't understand why you think you can bully your way out of this.

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I'm just saying, the people who wants this BuJ's lynch will remain to be my scumreads anyway if ever BuJ flips town. If BuJ flips scum, nothing is gained because there are little or no associative tells to draw from. At least from how I'm seeing it.

So you know everything thats happened in the last 36 pages by heart and don't think theres anything in there that might take on special significance with a known alignment? Do you know how mafia works or are you really that lazy as town that you'll just say I THINK PEOPLE ON HIM ARE SCUM TOO SO NOTHING IS GAINED CASE CLOSED. I don't think this is your town game. Theres no way townHEM thinks we learn NOTHING worthwhile from a Bu lynch.

[Sephiroth]

Explain what info you will get from BuJ's flip. Because I can explain what info I can get from Hopkirk's flip.

This is bullying. You're saying 'produce the results of the flip reread right now' or I'm right. You know this is a fallacious line of reasoning since you know that a flip requires analysis to interpret. Claiming you can immediately say what happens from Hops flip is a) false and b) extremely lazy. and c) you still never let us know your amazing reads.

[Sephiroth]

Literally just want you to explain what info you will get from BuJ's flip.

I already explained to a sufficient extent. You're asking me to do post-flip analysis pre-flip which makes no sense. I'm not claiming that I magically know everything there is to know yet, like you are. But since you are, care to explain? You believe that all the info you need from the flip is purely the flip and no analysis so lay it on me powertown, what does scum hop tell you? what does town hop tell you?

If they weren't completely made up things we'd have already seen them but I'll humor you.

[Sephiroth]

Explain what info you will get from BuJ's flip. Because I can explain what info I can get from Hopkirk's flip.

You believe that all the info you need from the flip is purely the flip and no analysis so lay it on me powertown, what does scum hop tell you? what does town hop tell you?

Just ask me anything.

Everybody pushing for the lynch, explain what you'll be getting if ever BuJ flips scum here. How does your reads progress?

I also dont magically know everything there is to know yet. I'm just saying that the one of the other lynch will produce premises that are too WIFOMy to commit a read on. And that's what I've been saying. You are putting words into my mouth.

MFW Monkey still hasn't given what he gets out of Hop lynch but still doesn't understand how his original line of reasoning was bullying.

[Sephiroth]

sorry, 897 should be after 890. oh well, you get the picture.

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In no way am I putting words in your mouth. Read 890 then out up or shut up.

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Convenient.

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Its almost like it makes no sense to pressure someone into immediately providing all the insights gained from a flip without the flip and ensuing analysis actually having occurred.

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What are you trying to prove here anyway? That we should stagnate a BuJ wagon right now and go for a lynch? Aside from my gripe about it, this is not what we should do here. There are a lot of unreadables yet and Schism slot hasn't even showed up.

I'm trying to prove that your reluctance to the Bu lynch doesn't make sense from a town standpoint. Do you or do you not scumread him?

pedit: I've already explained that the rise and fall of the two wagons on Bu gives us ample information about all the players who were on or interacted with those two wagons. To get more details I would actually have to do the work associated with analyzing those wagons, something I'm not going to do if the flip hasnt even happened yet since its pretty much a waste of time. I think its pretty reasonable to give this explanation, and I have several times, and you still seem confused and still keep asking for details.

I've provided much more about how the Bu flip provides information than you have about Hops.

[Sephiroth]

Don't get pissy, man.

Nothing pissy here.

[Sephiroth]

readlist pls

You know its an informative lynch when you literally don't even know the guys reads lmao

[Sephiroth]

lmao you've yelled at me a lot the past pages

Yell is your own perception, friend. I've been pushing you. I bold or capitalize for emphasis but I'm in no way yelling at you. I'm sorry you don't like getting pushed when your ideas don't make sense?

[Sephiroth]

Giving that level of weight to your scumreads d1 with no flips is pretty absurd if I'm being completely honest.

[Sephiroth]

D1, I push people not because I think they're scum. I push people because I think they can be scum and I think their reactions and the reactions around their wagon will tell me whether or not I'm right. Is this not how you play mafia or should I go back to newbie?

I mean sure it just doesn't seem genuine given that Bu gives us way more info than Hop and you weren't able to explain why you felt otherwise.

[Sephiroth]

You are like...a *lot* better than this

?

[Sephiroth]

hmm.

I think I need to reread.

[Sephiroth]

This is kind of why I really wish you wouldn't do the page topping thing. It inflates the thread unnecessarily and makes it harder to read and harder for replacements to manage. I get that its fun for you but I think its pretty anti town.

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I feel like UCV lynch is bad but whatever.

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Meh. Are we done pretending to lynch UCV yet?

[Sephiroth]

sk's in mini normals usually make some ppl hate the mod i think

not sure how thats relevant, it still happens with decent frequency.

[Sephiroth]

I'm gonna be V/LA for the next five days so I might as well hammer if I'm being honest.

[Sephiroth]

I still don't really get this lynch, but I feel like this game is gonna be such ass to wade through as a replacement. And 51 pages is a long day one.

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Can you recap me on what is AI about UC's behavior? If its meta I disagree.

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I think the UC wagon is inherently stupid unless it actually happens soon. Are we really gonna sit around with him at -1 for days?

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Its actually kind of stupid if ppl actually are counting on him flipping scum

[Sephiroth]

I think he avoids the thread as either alignment, and he posts in the threads that interest him. I think if he were scum he'd be more interested since its kind of a rare thing to get scum compared to town.

So like, I'm down to lynch for lack of content, and for how difficult it will be to replace him (especially if he keeps prodging). I'd rather he die now than have to try to read him in end game,

[Sephiroth]

I just don't think he's that scummy.

[Sephiroth]

I dunno how long I can go without hammering tbh

[Sephiroth]

I'll give him until I go to sleep tonight, which is probably like...4 hours-ish. Then I'm hammering and going V/LA and you suckers need to deal with the aftermath.

[Sephiroth]

wow I'm actually upset at myself for stealing the page top for that. That was fucking beautiful O.O

[Sephiroth]

Oh, okay. Beautiful farts, still.

[Sephiroth]

Where is everybody? Its just me and Kat, farting in the twilight.

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If you're scum color me fucking impressed.

[Sephiroth]

I'll give it another hour or so, as promised.

[Sephiroth]

Hammer

Soon.

[Sephiroth]

unvote, vote: DeWay

Someone hammer. Sheep you're a major buzzkill.

[Sephiroth]

I'm getting some serious bad vibes from sheep today.

Also, n_m, do you think voting someone who's V/LA is an effective use of your time? Just curious why you think thats the best move here.

[Sephiroth]

I'm still V/LA til tomorrow night at which time I'll reread and have more to say.

[Sephiroth]

I'm getting some serious bad vibes from sheep today.

that's nice im sorry that my slight frustration gave you serious bad vibes

also i have some throat infection and really serious swollen lymph nodes so i wont be able to do anything for a bit

Why do you think its your frustration thats giving me vibes? What in your play today is 'frustrated'?

Okay let's take it slow but we need to wagon that Sergtacos ASAP. If you don't, it's a scum claim.

Explain?

[Sephiroth]

I don't feel confident with my read on Serg because his meta leads me to believe his play here is mostly NAI.

[Sephiroth]

Which is why I'm asking why you scum read him.

[Sephiroth]

I don't feel confident with my read on Serg because his meta leads me to believe his play here is mostly NAI.

[Sephiroth]

his meta leads me to believe his play here is mostly NAI.

[Sephiroth]

I plan to ask HEM about his reason for scumreading Serg so I can get some insight on why someone is scumreading him?

[Sephiroth]

So do you want to stop this stupid cross-examination and just tell me why you're so sure of serg scum?

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Do you feel cross-examined, Seph?

Look dude. You said you scum read him. I said I'm not confident in my reads. How the fuck are you telling me that the burden of proof is on me to prove I'm having trouble reading him instead of on you for saying why you scum read him? Like, just tell me why you are confident. It makes no sense to ask me why I'm not confident especially when I already told you the read was based on meta.

[Sephiroth]

Okay let's take it slow but we need to wagon that Sergtacos ASAP. If you don't, it's a scum claim.

WHY

[Sephiroth]

what didnt you like then

I feel like you've been waffling and throwing out names kind of at random without giving any rationale.

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I also don't like your 180 from strongly townreading UCV on meta to randomly scumreading him for literally no reason.

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Okay so Serg and Seph. Last partner may want to bus now. Is it Hopkirk or Rem? Hmmm.

You're either scum, reaction testing, or laughably bad at this game. Take your pick.

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Read some of my scum games and tell me again that I wouldn't be hard bussing serg right now

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Uh. Have you read your ISO lately?

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I'm at survivor meet...

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And officially V/LA til tomorrow...

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no why would i do that but that's a scummy misrepresentation you say that i scumread ucv for no reason. it was fairly obvious that i did have reasons.

I'm sorry but pretty much all you said was you didn't like his catch up, but provided no explanation for why you didn't like it. Additionally you said you strongly town read him in meta earlier and the iffy catchup is 100% within UCV's meta and a nulltell at best. You literally went from town reading him to scum reading him for something thats null in his meta.

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If its so fairly obvious, please actually explain them now.

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I find it somewhat odd that you would call me as a misrep and yet not be able to explain the reasons that I'm supposedly omitting.

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I think UCV could easily be scum this game based on meta

no way in hell

^^^^^^

Wow, its very clear that your meta town read on him is not strong

Also, lurking selectively is 100% part of his meta and if you had as strong a read on it as you claimed originally than you would know that. Thats why I was pretty damn sure that he was town but I was ready to lynch because he will be useless in this game. Simply put the evolution of your UCV read makes no fucking sense.

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see me bieng "NOT ABLE to explain the reasons" is clearly another misrep to make me look bad

You should be able to recognize that responding to 'you had no reasons' with 'my reasons were obvious' without rehashing or pointing them out is sketchy as hell. If you're seriously calling that a misrep take a step back and think about what your play looks like from a town perspective.

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there was no way in hell his entrance of

trying to force rvs to end was scum by meta

this was what i thought from his early game play
in that post i do NOT SAY I THINK HE IS TOWN
you are still trying to shape this to fit your way

in our scum hydra game he basically chose never to catch up and to AVOID THE THREAD when he felt like it and drop some current thoughts that didnt help town without knowing what was going on when he came by

that's literally what happened here it was deja vu

I wasn't arguing anything about trying to force rvs, I have literally never mentioned that line of argument because its fucking stupid. Nice strawman.

see me bieng "NOT ABLE to explain the reasons" is clearly another misrep to make me look bad

You should be able to recognize that responding to 'you had no reasons' with 'my reasons were obvious' without rehashing or pointing them out is sketchy as hell. If you're seriously calling that a misrep take a step back and think about what your play looks like from a town perspective.

i literally thought there was no way someone didnt know the reasons for the wagon

No you don't understand, I am aware of the reasons for the wagon. My issue was your jump on to the wagon with lack of reasoning. The fact that you specify 'the wagon' here is pretty telling.

it was very obvious sheep. no need to giddy up with this scum. he has no point.

also, doubt serg is as dumb as people expect him to be. he's playing that. serg is self-conscious.

oof. the wagon was bullshit the entire time. I was asking the entire time it was happening why he was being scum read and the answer was essentially 'hes lurking lol'. Anyone who pushed that wagon and claimed that they were scum reading him is extremely scummy. Its even more scummy that you acknowledge his meta (of lurking) early on and then suddenly decide he becomes scum after vehemently denying that his meta made him scummy. You just need to get your story straight.

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The last two sentences were supposed to be before the HEM quote.

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I'm not misrepping him doe.

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Sheep is scum, mark my words.

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HEM is most likely misguided town.

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Yesterday I said that I was voting him because he's essentially useless here given his activity, and because I thought it was time for day to end. I'm not sure how wanting day to end is a poor reason setting as we already had 50 pages of content. I also think that the wagon was good for exposing sheep's hypocrisy surrounding his ucv read. I'm sure there are other interactions worth probing but I need to reread.

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I swear to God if you fuckers keep lynching exclusively Lynch bait I'mma lose it.

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Sheep Lynch wasn't happening yesterday and you know that. You also know that info lynches are 100% not bs if it's day 1. I would never make that same play d2 but there's literally no reason to drag on a hammer for 8 days just cuz we can. I find it markedly our of character for you to say that a day 1 info lynches is bs. Like I don't see how you could believe that and it strike me as disingenuous. I also don't like your subtle attempt to characterize 'wanting to end the day' as an excuse. I own my decision to support that wagon, and that's called a reason, not an excuse.

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What’s case on Sephorath

There is none, he's just been blowing smoke all day.

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Apparently his scum read on your slot evaporated as soon as it was replaced e.e

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Sorry. Elias is my alt.

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Also I'm pretty done with this shit tbh. Hem you've shown yourself to be a pisspoor scum hunter in both games I've played with you. All you do is try to sound as dismissive and patronizing as possible. It works better when you're good at the game.

unvote, vote: sephiroth

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I'm VT so it doesn't really matter if I'm lynched today. I implore the town to look into HEM and Sheep tomorrow. Hopkirk is my number one town read at the moment.

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HEM, never sign up for a game that I've signed up for in the future. Kthxbai.

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Also be wary of Kat and n_m, who are being universally tr for no reason.

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I'm sorry hem. I drove a long way today after not sleeping very much at the meet. I take it back.

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But I'm just frustrated by you continually attacking me. I really just want to reread and I don't know how else to say this isn't my scum game.

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Plus I just played a bunch of in-person mafia and it was amazing.

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No offense to him, but I'm not impressed with catching TIAM as scum.

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UNVOTE

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sheep monkey

heh. sheep monkey sounds funny.

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If you have a result on seph and you're just now pointing it out you're either garbage town or scum.

I can guarantee he doesn't.

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i started the wagon lmao

false.