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yes, he gave his last guess last tuesdayIn post 2855, humaneatingmonkey wrote:
He's been in replacement queue since D1.In post 2852, Katyusha wrote:he means start of D3 and has been loosely following the game
and being in the queue since D1 means he's loosely following along
he's not lying and even if he were he's not scum for that if he is scum-
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that isnt true, i think there's a lot of town equity in how n_m treated your fakeclaimIn post 2859, Firebringer wrote:Yeah but ur not lynching Dino.
just because i'm listening to both sides when rem's slot has LITERALLY NOT POSTED FOR TWO DAYPHASES doesn't mean I think theyre more likely town-
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ok, why should I not be giving the Rem slot a chance?In post 2866, Firebringer wrote:
I have plentyIn post 2865, Katyusha wrote:also you still have zero position to talk about my mylo play because i'm still salty you lynched kraska in 649
We think Hop/Flub is SvT in some order
I think you're locktown since sheep is scum, so:
I think that since one of MD/{Fire, N_M} is scum, MD/N_M is SvT
We know sheep is scum
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Seconded.In post 2877, humaneatingmonkey wrote:Thanks for bringing quality back into the game, MD.-
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Can we not bring in some personal grudge that I can't even understand because you're not linking your games and you have so many I'm not going to bother looking? Especially if it's an offsite turbo.
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no one does and it's why i've been asking you to table thisIn post 2912, Firebringer wrote:I don’t even know which game he thinks I’m referring too
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This is what I said at daystart.In post 2939, Mathdino wrote:We should probably no lynch at 4p though to maximise odds? Unless we end up with confirmed town by then anyway.-
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This is a sweeping statement that’s absolutely untrue!In post 3109, Hopkirk wrote:There is no town motivation from Fire or Serg.
When i’m back I’m going to be asking math and hop a lot of questions so hang tight-
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BUT WAITIn post 3217, humaneatingmonkey wrote:I'm ready to lynch sheep now. This discourse is not gonna get any more intelligent.
Math! Let's talk!
Two really important questions:
- Why does scum!n_m react to firebringer's claim the way he did? This isn't like me doubting he can be scum moreso this is a Thought I had and want to see how a scum!confirmed!basically perspective sees it
- Why did you give up on your scumread on me? If you're town, you should probably know that "Oh if you're scum then we just lose" isn't a good mindset, I believe I'm still mechanically possible scum, so I'd like to hear your trajectory as to why you haven't considered me at all
Sheep, give me ideas for your hammer. It needs to be inspired.
please no im so done with astronomyFirebringer wrote:We can start talking about astrophysics-
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arent you like 12In post 3227, sheepsaysmeep wrote:i was looking through songs ive been listening to theyre all too nsfw for here
anyway im going to do my schoolwork now and die. sleep is for theweakweekends-
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I mean that’s fair I was super fucking awkward and stupid that gameIn post 3238, Firebringer wrote:Katy I thought u were like 14 in our first game
I am, again, still very salty about that game’s outcome
Thanks Charloux <3-
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I ain't the sharpest tool in the shed
since i forgot to quote this to make sure it doesnt get lost uwuIn post 3219, Katyusha wrote:
BUT WAITIn post 3217, humaneatingmonkey wrote:I'm ready to lynch sheep now. This discourse is not gonna get any more intelligent.
Math! Let's talk!
Two really important questions:
- Why does scum!n_m react to firebringer's claim the way he did? This isn't like me doubting he can be scum moreso this is a Thought I had and want to see how a scum!confirmed!basically perspective sees it
- Why did you give up on your scumread on me? If you're town, you should probably know that "Oh if you're scum then we just lose" isn't a good mindset, I believe I'm still mechanically possible scum, so I'd like to hear your trajectory as to why you haven't considered me at all
Sheep, give me ideas for your hammer. It needs to be inspired.
please no im so done with astronomyFirebringer wrote:We can start talking about astrophysics-
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I'm like 55% you 45% n_m so it's hardly the right call to do that - there are actually a lot of points were I can see n_m as scum and looking back they definitely raised a few eyebrows, it's just that one interaction felt kind of genuine to me. same with rem's D1 to some extent (some parts i really don't like, some parts I do like). i feel like articulating the exact points doesn't help us just yet since i'm not focusing on convincing another townie and i'm more focused on reading you and i dont want knowledge of why i feel a specific way besides what i've said to impact how you play around me if that makes senseIn post 3260, Mathdino wrote:Also just a note, it looks like you're already pretty set on Mathscum; obviously defending myself is a secondary consideration and a lower priority than spotlighting the scumteam, but I haven't actually seen why, or whether it's based on Rem's ISO, Rem's interactions with sheep, or has to do with my behaviour since replacing in.
So if paranoia of my slot is what's gonna prevent you from seeing the scumteam regardless of what I argue, we should probably address it. Or if we can't address it, I'd rather be lynched right now than in at least 5 real life days knowing that whomever left is probably going to default to "Oh it's just N_M being N_M" which is honestly pretty frustrating/irritating because I've specifically lost a game due to that argument.
tl;dr if you're gonna kill me anyway, kill me now, but otherwise talk about why you wanna kill me while i go work on d3
the interaction i'm asking you to look at is basically what's making me question you!town.
it's not a lost battle for either side. unless hopkirk is town lol-
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but the way i envision this game i see nm/dino solved in a 4-way mylo with two hammertested townies in {me flubber monkey fire} discussing the arguments either way
unless it becomes a lot clearer on the way there i think it's better to get the easier lynches out of the way first. it's more time, less clutter, and maybe seeing which townies scum elect to remove first provides some sort of information
pedit: i guess it was him unvoting before i asked that made me feel it was ~genuine~ in real time
what i have to ask though is why doesn't n_m question the claim in mylo? you said it yourself, n_m is smarter than he lets on and I've been fully aware of this. surely from a town pov it would make sense to question that claim?
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im just taking this as a scumclaimIn post 3287, Not_Mafia wrote:
Yup, we could be and you know it, so you're full of shitIn post 3285, Mathdino wrote:
tfw literally making an argument that N_M/Fire could be scum togetherIn post 3283, Not_Mafia wrote:
I trolled you as a teammate and plotted out the whole game, you know I have the ability to anticipate reactions and plan a scum gambit accordingly, so does FireIn post 3279, Mathdino wrote:I mean this is an okay argument as to Fire/N_M not scum together but this also implies that they would ever plan anything, which is a faulty assumption-
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what reason do scum have to waffle
obviously here n_m!scum would be trying to look town in the first place by unvoting so i guess it's kind of a dumb question but i dont think saying "scum would stick to their guns" is an unreasonable assumption, theyre the ones who come into the game with a planned agenda in mind
source?In post 3290, Not_Mafia wrote:Mathdino did scumclaim yes, several other times too
pedit: no really like............. what would town!dino have done here n_m in your opinion
pedit: because literally no one would follow hopkirk onto fire, it's just a distraction and we shouldnt take the association to heart at all because he could be tying himself to you or tying himself to mathdino. it's just wifom-
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this is me stating i'm fairly convinced now mathdino is town
if monkey or fire or flubber need me to explain why i can because there were a few posts from the other days that made me less sure about this but still
pedit: theres more points i think to his argument than that n_m?? and he's just saying you're impulsive players which i dont think is an unreasonable personality call. i do personally think fire like double checks at the very least what UB rules are before going with the claim in the pt but that's hardly out of the realm of someone "impulsive"
pedit: the argument to lynch non-confscum makes sense and dino is not the first person i've heard try it. it's not unreasonable nm-
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who does town!dino read as the scumteam here, especially if he doesnt suspect you (how would you know this anyway)In post 3298, Not_Mafia wrote:Lynch scum, not me, not refuse to vote conf scum when we still have 8 players and what? 4 or 5 players unclaimed?-
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i dont know if i want a sheep lynch entirelyhumaneatingmonkey wrote:I want a lynch on sheep, not anyone else.
Kat, can you walk me through where you're placing my vote?
at this point i dont see it not being hopkirk/sheep, the only hesitation there is is dino/n_m
do you, at a very basic level, disagree with this in anyway?
this is a town claim.sheepsaysmeep wrote:oh shit we didnt finish the massclaim
im claiming ascetic townie
pedit: have not read dino's post-
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right, but he sees the claim and knows he'll react one way to it. even if he doesnt have the night to think he still is informed and doesn't have to actually react naturally to the claimIn post 3306, Mathdino wrote:Scum can't plan shit. Look at the timestamps on that interaction; it was all within a span of minutes. Turbospeed.
I'm arguing that N_M knew Fire was town already and was setting him up to fall.
But then he realised Fire wouldn't go down so easily and 1v1ing Fire would have the strong potential to just confirm N_M as scum down the line.
None of it was planned because he didn't plan for Fire's fakeclaim.
"ok, i don't think this is believable, I think town!me would vote here"
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"i think this claim is somewhat believable even though i know it's fake so i'm going to feel it out and see what town does before taking any drastic action since that's what town!me would do"
instead he chooses to contradict his thought process. what's the benefit here (besides obviously looking town, which i concede is probably the intention but if that's the only possibility i can understand then i dont really know what to make of it)
i understand this might not make sense and honestly i dont even care about this point because n_m's last few posts have been terrible so-
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yeah if you have to argue fire is scum then there's just no point in saying he scumclaimed because he has to call you as scum as scum and town alike, there's no way for me to tell the difference objectively without reads etc
and fire i think your opinion here is biased, it could be right but I want to hear from monkey
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actually at the very leastIn post 3333, humaneatingmonkey wrote:for now, i want the additional night so hopefully potential unclaimed prs can further this game for us.
this is an argument for lynching sheep now and nm/dino tomorrow
i agree with this but he's not 1v1'ing just by voting a town!Firebringer. the rest of the town can doubt fire's claim and mislynch him tooMathdino wrote:Also N_M-scum objectively always loses a 1v1 with Firebringer-town.
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we know fire is townIn post 3334, Mathdino wrote:I don't really understand this.
thus both you and n_m, regardless of alignments, will argue the team must be hopkirk/sheep/the other
thus you didn't scumclaim at any point
pedit: n_m he's literally not trying to do that
pedit: "fire is basically never getting lynched this game because there is almost no way he is scum"
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been doing it longer != better i have soft spots and the position md is in, like you said, makes it hard to read him properly. n_m is doing a few things that seem off to me from a town perspective and thats mostly what im going off of, though there's a few other things in the early game that i kind of wanted to look into and i have to wait for tomorrow to start getting resolution there it seems
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Rem has been an empty slot all game. It's hard to come up with a read one way or another - we're relying entirely on n_m here who, if scum, played a relatively townie game early on but it's still possible to sell it as scum.
D1 she pushed a pretty reasonable case on Intern as the "active lurker following town consensus" and even compared it to n_m's iso which she thought was transparently town. After intern's claim though she kind of died down and had weird reads. No update D2 or D3.
I guess you could argue that sheep's interaction calling it a "really genuine entrance" means something but i think that was more following consensus
have we looked into hop/rem interactions?
also wrt n_m he did have a ?????? read on hop iirc D1 that i vaguely remember wanting to take note of after flips since i was expecting a hop lynch to happen, you know, before MYLO-
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lol?In post 1122, Hopkirk wrote:Does anyone in the game scumread Sheep/NM/Rem? It's obvious someone like you/me isn't going to be the nightkill here. There's plenty of targets mafia can easily pick that don't change the conversation.
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i too tend to assume that scum help their own wincon more than town helps scum'sIn post 3389, Mathdino wrote:Taking a potshot and just gonna say that N_M helped scum wincon more than Rem did *shrug*
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at this point that's the same as lynching sheepIn post 3392, humaneatingmonkey wrote:what if we lynch hopkirk instead, hmm?-
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huhIn post 3399, Mathdino wrote:Idk man you're still buying into this "correct reads = town and bad reads = scum".-
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this is flat out not trueIn post 3405, Mathdino wrote:You and Rem were similarly not playing, N_M.
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sure is buddy!In post 3410, humaneatingmonkey wrote:this game is hard!
really though do you think im stupid when i say i dont think hopkirk obsesses over an intern lynch and hurls intern into his scumteam with me in it when scum!rem is the frontrunner of that read?-
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the annoying this is if i vote right now it means scum are YOLObussing and if i get n_m i'm helping them do it and like i dont have the willpower to deal with the blowback of being wrong hereIn post 3200, northsidegal wrote:sheepsaysmeep (2): Not_Mafia, Firebringer
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rem was never scummy for lurking, i really only think it's worth pressuring lurkers like D1 when you're trying to get a baseline on everyone (*cough* UCV) and rem had D1 content at least. D2 she was v/la and seph self-hammered for emotionally understandable reasons but it still really hurt the gamestate to do so while i was waiting on rem. D3 she flaked and it was kind of inevitable
i feel dumb for not reading sheep's obvious scumhammer there but still