Mini Normal 1989: A Perfectly Normal Day -- Game Over

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SOMEBODY PUT CHICK TO L-1

shmeep can be town

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>implying my goal isn't to lynch you regardless of your alignment

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no

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somewhat agree ^

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*** DISCLAIMER ***

Just an FYI for you peoples.

I HATE day 1’s. If ANYONE gets to L-1 in the first few days, I will absolutely hammer them without giving them a chance to claim. Faster than you can believe. Unless I hard TR them. Which on Day 1 is very rare. In order to get to night one and get the game rolling.
Don’t expect extensive read lists from me on Day 1 either. If someone scum pings me I’ll definitely go after them but other than that I see Day 1’s as a crapshoot.

If you guys don’t like this play style then feel free to lynch me and I’ll move on to the next signups.

oh, right, this

i would have made a comment about this in the moddie of anagrams except i think the day 1 of that game coincided with me accidentally quickhammering chickadee in a micro which would have been too silly

i kind of... don't agree that you being less effective on d1 should mean nobody else gets to use them?

i would ask people watch out for l-1, which i recently learned is a good habit anyway

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it's easy to overestimate how much someone should react to something

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in what way

what is town supposed to say

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Even with the wagoning, I feel like there's nothing really going on yet. Everything so far feels forced, we're just wagoning to be wagoning.

do you not believe that nk15 scumreads hws as much as he's letting on

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profii looks town

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VOTE: tchill

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i'm also okay with chick town

VOTE: tchill

Do you have a reason for this vote other than sheeping profii?

yeah kinda~

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been busy the last few days

started to catch up last night & fell asleep

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wowie. you guys are really chuggin out the pages aintcha.

tchill town from 788, also the rest of that page

811: scumreading predecessor is icky

591/828: these are like addressed to town chumba though havo is like 1v1ing them? and then on the other side of the coin chumba's response is "i can do this and still be town!!"

i have thought that chumba is scumba if one of them is. but i'm rather hesitant to make the assumption that there's a scum there to begin with lmao

@Havo then sell me on you being town, not on Chumba being scum.

what makes the town argument more compelling? 857 as well

854: yeah why would we let statistical unlikelihood stop us from following you on a wagon?

lol. my votes staying on profii.

do u feel confident u can read him?

pretty confident town: joda, tchill, hws, chick
kind of kind of don't townread: brass, havo, profii
kind of don't townread: eth0s, nero
don't town read: osuka, chumba

fwiw i kind of didn't townread nk by the point he had selfhammered

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591/828: these are like addressed to town chumba though havo is like 1v1ing them? and then on the other side of the coin chumba's response is "i can do this and still be town!!"

What do you make of the fact that those 2 posts basically contradict each other?

i guess they do. i remember town havo being logically/tonally inconsistent on occasion so that's not really what i'm looking at.

@havo:

what was your intention with 828? if you had one that you remember i guess

DOh feel confident I can read profii? No.

I don't feel confident I can read anyone atm.

People do really weird things. I'll persue my reads with confidence though. That's what you're supposed to do.

that's fine i guess

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I’m straight

can't relate :>

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So you did know that NK was town?

I was pretty confident following his claim - pool thing he did that for towny reasons

can you elaborate on those reasons and why they were townie again, if you remember

The point is - if chumba and havo ends up being TvT scum have to do nothing to manipulate this game for the next 2 days.

do you suppose that is likely or unlikely

if anyone ever tells you that replacing out is AI, just punch them square in the nose. that's the stupidest thing that some people regularly say on this website

anything AI is, by definition, an alignment tell. if you don't know the reason behind the fact that someone replaced out of a slot, how could you possibly infer alignment from that

i mean people will on occasion replace out for game related reasons in which case you can apply the same tone/motivation reading you can with any other post

the specific case of repping out for personal reasons is something you shouldn't try to read in that way tho

I keep forgetting schadd is in this game.

SCHADDINGTON BEAR COME OUT TO PLAAAAAYYY

yo

You’re town though so

oof

havo is definitely scum, you guys just really need to trust me on this. Pretty sure tchill is also but I

know

havo is.

This is PURE manipulation.

Bolding the KNOW insinuates something, but he won’t say it so he can’t be held accountable.

Just like his BS threat to replace out.

It’s all manipulation.

without making judgement on chumba's alignment this looks zuper convincingly like locked-in town

VOTE: profii

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I don't have to have reasons

pretty confident town: joda, tchill, hws, chick
kind of kind of don't townread: brass, havo, profii
kind of don't townread: eth0s, nero
don't town read: osuka, chumba

brass ->kind of don't townread
havo ->pretty confident town
profii ->don't town read
nero ->kind of kind of don't townread
chumba ->kind of don't townread

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that's another pretty big oof

you are at two ooves right now

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that's another pretty big oof

you are at two ooves right now

See past the fact you are out of game buds and accept she is scum.

ouch augh crap my bones hurt SO much right now

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I can’t even be bothered to wait for intent to hammer, I’ll just say I’m not role claiming- if you want to see my role, consider yourselves up against a poker player who is all in. The only way you get to see my cards is if you go all in too and if you just want to see my cards, that’s a bad bet.

this is what the tchill-profii 1v1 came down to? that's actually pathetic

i've actually been townreading tchill a little since the beginning of the day and he really put on a display in those few pages i just read. pretty much just broke profii.

kinda sad, actually

do u think that profii is scum

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VOTE: chumba

I can’t even be bothered to wait for intent to hammer, I’ll just say I’m not role claiming- if you want to see my role, consider yourselves up against a poker player who is all in. The only way you get to see my cards is if you go all in too and if you just want to see my cards, that’s a bad bet.

this is what the tchill-profii 1v1 came down to? that's actually pathetic

i've actually been townreading tchill a little since the beginning of the day and he really put on a display in those few pages i just read. pretty much just broke profii.

kinda sad, actually

do u think that profii is scum

*did u think that profii was scum

Besides what does a self vote accomplish in this scenario? If scum self hammers that’s one thing but I don’t know what self voting at the start of the day even means

i believe you that it was a joke

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Honestly I don't even care if I lose this game, because between Havo, Chumba, and tchill all tunneling and making the game toxic, I don't have the desire to play it. The entire game feels like one big argument.

who did tchill tunnel in a way that was problematic?

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Claim vt

wanna have another go at this

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Claim vt

wanna have another go at this

Do you wanna have another go at claiming

i hardclaim you aren't vt

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..yes, i am implicitly claiming to have information from some night action that osuka lied about being vt

i assumed it would be reasonable that the person who fakeclaimed and was first in the claim order to begin with ought to fullclaim first

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town fakeclaims vt on occasion

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i am tracker

night 1 nero visited nobody
night 2 osuka visited chumba
night 3 joey visited nobody

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night 2 osuka visited chumba

So why didn’t you do anything with this info? Or attempt to figure out if he was scum or town pr?

Why did you instead vote me?

Why didn’t you do anything at all the entire game?

? what would i do with the info? i don't think asking testy night-action questions is really good practice and i don't know what i could have done productively anyway

i was of the opinion that u were scum because i was of the opinion that havo was town and didn't buy into the several reasons you repeated a lot of times. should i have voted osuka?

i have done a few things? i guess in general this game i haven't felt many instances where i could productively prod at someone and people answered less than all of the questions i did ask

also as tracker i benefitted from broadcasting my opinions infrequently

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VOTE: osuka

You did nothing. You didn’t even try to sort osuka/myself when you had info that could help town.

There are low key ways to figure out things. For starters asking us questions about reads or whatever instead you drop a shitty vote on me and keep lurking.

i asked osuka something d2 which he didn't answer. nothing came to me as a way of sorting you, nor did it strike me as something i ought to do from the result. you have professed somewhere to play scum and town identically so i wasn't really putting much mind toward actively sorting you with day stuff anyway.

i'm sorry you didn't like my vote.

i am tracker

night 1 nero visited nobody
night 2 osuka visited chumba
night 3 joey visited nobody

Why did you track these players? Did you leave any crumbs that hinted at being tracker?

my general tracker ideology is that scum will pick someone who hasn't been getting much attention to do the kill, so, pick somebody like that who i think is still somewhat likely scum. of my bottom four, osuka and eth0s were on wagon, chumba would be a pretty obvious night action target (alignment reflects havo, hard person to read in general), and nero hadn't been exceptionally active/central

n2 i just thought osuka was scum and he hadn't been exceptionally active/was off wagon

n3 the people off wagon were me, osuka and two people i (continued to) townread. i thought a bit about whether chumba would be the person to do the nk as a throwaway if scum since he would be a pretty obvious lynch but then i figured he could have pushed the 1v1 less if he thought he couldn't get out of it after the mislynch. so, joey was the person left that i was least sure about. i didn't at all think that he would be shot, or really consider it i guess

here is another game i was tracker in case it is somehow useful (i don't suppose so because we had a d1 correct lynch and n1 correct vig which changed the dynamic. i guess there was also fakeclaim that i had found but in that case i

profii-mason

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Tchill13-vt

profii was vt, tchill was mason. that's a bit towny to mix up

Schadd, I'm curious why you're not voting your guilty.

i was unsure as to whether he would change his claim. like i said, town fakeclaims vt on occasion, profii and tchill both did so in the game i modded a bit ago

i am tracker

night 1 nero visited nobody
night 2 osuka visited chumba
night 3 joey visited nobody

so youre basically trying to say i "visited" chumba n2, with "leads" on two claimed vts

nice

i actually successfully said those things. i guess i didn't say "leads"

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night 2 osuka visited chumba

So why didn’t you do anything with this info? Or attempt to figure out if he was scum or town pr?

Why did you instead vote me?

Why didn’t you do anything at all the entire game?

? what would i do with the info? i don't think asking testy night-action questions is really good practice and i don't know what i could have done productively anyway

i was of the opinion that u were scum because i was of the opinion that havo was town and didn't buy into the several reasons you repeated a lot of times. should i have voted osuka?

i have done a few things? i guess in general this game i haven't felt many instances where i could productively prod at someone and people answered less than all of the questions i did ask

also as tracker i benefitted from broadcasting my opinions infrequently

You did nothing. You didn’t even try to sort osuka/myself when you had info that could help town.

There are low key ways to figure out things. For starters asking us questions about reads or whatever instead you drop a shitty vote on me and keep lurking.

my dude

my

dude

can someone enlighten me as to why, as an observer (i.e., someone other than me or schadd), you wouldn't at least point out that 1829 is disgusting enough to make me nauseous? only chumba, of all people, decided to pick on it

note that if he were town i would be in fact confirmed scum to him

at least in my experience i am generally not emotionally affected by things i know are from scum unless they are e.g. vitriolic

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this is by far the weirdest reaction I have ever seen from somebody who is at L-1 and is supposedly caught by a tracker.

my curiosity wants me to see what he has to say. If he doesn't post by the time I leave work, I will re-vote him.

i don't see how you find it to be AI; he said he was busy, which i suppose is what you would say as either alignment if you are busy. is there some particular tonal thing?

of note is the fact that he watched nero that night, which was a slot he had, at that point, mentioned once (only in the readslist). That, added to the fact that both chumba and I are lower on his list than nero, makes the check a very interesting choice - even if it's not an obvious or immediate alignment tell.

yes, you generally want to make interesting choices as tracker as far as i understand

I’m scum reading schadd over osuka now. Unless osuka is a fucking mafia pro, no scum acts like that.

he sorta claims to be that in his sig. i was actually reading the game in question, he did pretty good

So joda/schadd/Nero is where I’m at atm but I’m suspicious of everyone tbh. Nobody has played a good game. I get people want to blacklist me for playing bad but EVERYONE who is town this game has played like shit. Not just me.

this team currently has a quickhammer available.

fwiw i did notice when you had voted osuka. in retrospect i could have confirmed myself but didn't consider it

I’ll let schadd have one last post and then I’m voting him.

regardless of content? lmao

Thanks! Exam went pretty well, it's all waiting now.

i'm glad!

Yeah that’s a good point. Why joey?

Hey chick. Out your saves and reasons please.

I have some thoughts but want your response first.

N1 I found myself largely busy the entire time it was night.
N2 I protected souk because I wasn't scum reading him at the time and thought he may have slipped just enough under the radar to be a good scum kill
N3 I'm honestly in so many games that I forgot I was the doctor in this one.


I know I have been a really bad doctor.

scumteam: { chick, schadd, ??? }

fakeclaiming doctor targets is pretty easy to do as scum i would think. you just pick who you didn't kill.

if you were town there would be no other option for the team than exactly me, chick, nero unless you think there is a vig or some such

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i asked osuka something d2 which he didn't answer. nothing came to me as a way of sorting you, nor did it strike me as something i ought to do from the result. you have professed somewhere to play scum and town identically so i wasn't really putting much mind toward actively sorting you with day stuff anyway.

you asked me if i thought profii was scum during twilight. i didn't have time to respond because you were absent all of d2 and decided to prompt me an hour before the thread was locked

ya i saw that later in 1891. woops

i did ask you again d3 and you didn't answer but u were also busy so whatev.

i hope that whatever was occupying your time went well! incidentally

he sorta claims to be that in his sig. i was actually reading the game in question, he did pretty good

thanks, but being good scum doesn't mean i'm scum every time

sure! however it does mean you are good at scum which addresses something chumba said that you snipped

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Yeah that’s a good point. Why joey?

Hey chick. Out your saves and reasons please.

I have some thoughts but want your response first.

N1 I found myself largely busy the entire time it was night.
N2 I protected souk because I wasn't scum reading him at the time and thought he may have slipped just enough under the radar to be a good scum kill
N3 I'm honestly in so many games that I forgot I was the doctor in this one.


I know I have been a really bad doctor.

scumteam: { chick, schadd, ??? }

fakeclaiming doctor targets is pretty easy to do as scum i would think. you just pick who you didn't kill.

if you were town there would be no other option for the team than exactly me, chick, nero unless you think there is a vig or some such

my point is exactly the same. you claimed a check in a flipped vt and another on a claimed vt (two posts apart from each other). if nero claims vt with little reason to lie, that's a very low risk move and, as i pointed out, you get to claim a "guilty" on someone without actually having to say you're a cop or something

? i was talking about chickadee in what you quoted

what is the significance of joey's flip and nero's claim being two posts apart

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my point is exactly the same. you claimed a check in a flipped vt and another on a claimed vt (two posts apart from each other). if nero claims vt with little reason to lie, that's a very low risk move and, as i pointed out, you get to claim a "guilty" on someone without actually having to say you're a cop or something

also

to reiterate

nero would be confirmed scum to you unless you think a quickhammer wouldn't happen fsr

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first of all i want to address the fact that you're

too

nice and it's making me uncomfortable

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now i know chumba said i reacted too well to be scum and i'll take your compliment but i got it across badly the first time. The fact that i'm good scum, on top of the fact that i reacted well, doesn't mean i actually am scum.
if anything, suppose for a second i'm scum. i haven't slipped yet; if i'm good enough scum to react in such a towny way means that it's nai at worst. after all, it wouldn't be towny if it weren't expected from townsuka

o yea i was saying the thing that chumba said is super confident town is in fact nai

the significance of the two posts being close to each other means that they literally show on your screen together if you open that page; they were the two earliest VT slots to be revealed and if you're looking for fakeclaim material, that's where you get it. even if you and nero have to be scumbuddies at this point (unless sth really weird is happening that i'm not aware of), you kind of have to be consistent. contradicting your scumbuddy is a great way to get him lynched

yeah that's sort of what i thought

i mean if i were scum i would surely have a more sophisticated thing? like i gave my reasoning for my tracks just now and if you are assuming i'm scum then you're assuming i'm .. capable of doing that competently

for nero i was just pointing out that you made an analysis from the perspective of him being town which should have been proven not the case to you. you also continued to use that perspective in the 2 posts apart thing in saying that nero's vt claim was "revealed" to me

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coo

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But you have to admit that schadd hasn’t done anything and all of a sudden in lylo he has a guilty but doesn’t vote it.

i explained why i did that a couple times

you were in the game where two town fakeclaimed vt in lylo but i guess you had been killed by then

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man if you get to ignore what i say then i can ignore what you say

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i hardclaim town

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i'd like everyone to guess who i tracked and suggest why

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You probably tracked me and if you did it’s cause you are stupid

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Omg did you track me?

i'm not saying i did or didn't

the : [ was in fact at you being a bit mean

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yeah i mean aside from the fact that there are nice ways to make the claim "you played mafia poorly"

you claimed that i probably tracked you

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I’m a dick. That’s why people hate me. I play to win, not for friends. I don’t like little guessing games either.

You either have a guilty or you don’t. In a very unlikely but still possible scenario you’re scum.

I’d rather just skip the games and get to figuring out who the other scum are.

...except...

we are both like confirmed town...

you just shit on me for no reason that could reasonably be tied to any wincon

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like even if your goal is to end the game quicker or something

you just said "you're probably stupid" in something unrelated to accomplishing that

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well whatever then

nero didn't visit anyone

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i think he would have done the kill if scum

you seemed to scumread him pretty hard and he probably would have expected you to vote him in a 3way of you + him + joda/hws; thus, if joda or hws was partnered with him and got guiltied that would be really bad

plus, like you said, if he was scum he was trying really hard to distance, and if he didn't expect me to townread him if he went on osuka i think he could have done that less early

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i mean everyone seemed to see it and ignore it

i think it would have been helpful if somebody gave a reason that seemed especially genuine, especially nero

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i'm currently most interested in lynching joda.

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I’m clueless since I can’t tell who’s scum and who’s bad town. Look at the history of bad town this game, myself included. At least my attempt to get havo lynched was looked at as a soft claim and they blocked me. This puts Joda on my list. He thought I softed when I wasn’t looking at his iso.

This doesn't make any sense. Scum would know you weren't actually softing anything since they would know Havo was town.

do u have a theory as to why chumba was the rb target

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thanx for the game insanity!

i'm a fan of more straightforward setups like this one

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Cloudkicker

oo!

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i listened to your album and i only really liked the first track which is just a bunch of guitar

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lmfol