Mini Normal 1989: A Perfectly Normal Day -- Game Over

[Tchill13]

Who wants to join me in never lynching chumba or havo so when they both flip town after we caught all the scum we can all laugh together? Anyone?

Profii is scum. Brass is scum with him.

Nero you're on the right track imo.

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I will take Chumbas "knowing" statement as a soft claim though and I'd like to see a hard claim from chumba.

He "knows".

So let's see how he knows.

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See my favorite part of this is what we are about to see.

Chumba pushed havo hard day 1.

Unless chumba is a PR he can't know. It's a Blatant misrep.

The kind of Blatant misrep chumba was pushing havo for against eth0s.

So unless YOU ACTUALLY KNOW CHUMBA DUE TO NIGHT ACTIONS... Then just drop it.

Or Are you gonna deny the fact you're doing what you're accusing havo of doing to eth0s? Blatantly misreping and LYING.

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OK...

Nero and chickadee you're on the right track imo.

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Tchil is town but easily the most liable to causing a mislynch

Funny you say this about the guy pushing you.

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Describe how I am exactly the most liable to cause a mislynch without mentioning my case on you.

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Chumba and you have both made your points and no one seems to care enough to follow through by lynching either of you.

I don’t think that makes either of you liabilities.

Maybe time will apply the same logic to tchil, but we will see

And I hate to say this but if I'm only liable to cause a mislynch because I'm pushing you then time won't fix it

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You couldn't see I was town last time.

And it's your argument to make. You can say no fair like an 8 year old and be done with it though.

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I'm not lying. I don't remember you stating I was ever town at the end.

Once again you're not even talking about this game.

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In the context of this game tell me why I'm such a liability at causing a mislynch.

Give me a reason that's not "well you're pushing me you're wrong"

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I'm not lying. I don't remember you stating I was ever town at the end.

Once again you're not even talking about this game.

You kept coming up with "full proof" plans you never stated with certainty I was town. You stated with certainty it didn't matter if I was town.

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My point was that stupid 1v1 feels like that stupid 1v1 because it’s TvT or at least I think so.

So I had a reason to reference that game in the context of what is happening here

Why am I a mislynch liability

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OK now keep looking back.

I'll let others decide if that's buddying

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I just want 3 examples from profii.

Looking forward to Chumbas response.

Schadd what are your reads on ppl? I don't have to have reasons.

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I will take Chumbas "knowing" statement as a soft claim though and I'd like to see a hard claim from chumba.

He "knows".

So let's see how he knows.

See my favorite part of this is what we are about to see.

Chumba pushed havo hard day 1.

Unless chumba is a PR he can't know. It's a Blatant misrep.

The kind of Blatant misrep chumba was pushing havo for against eth0s.

So unless YOU ACTUALLY KNOW CHUMBA DUE TO NIGHT ACTIONS... Then just drop it.

Or Are you gonna deny the fact you're doing what you're accusing havo of doing to eth0s? Blatantly misreping and LYING.

Havo is confirmed scum. Lynch him.

don't ignore this chumba

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I just want 3 examples from profii.

Looking forward to Chumbas response.

Schadd what are your reads on ppl? I don't have to have reasons.

Good to see you accept the first example and want to keep pushing for more so when I run out of reasons you can say you were right


We will stop that now then I think

Stop it now? I just need two more reasons. You made it seem easy I didn't think 3 would be too much to ask.

Put your money where your mouth is. Prove things instead of stating them.

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I'm going to say chickadee made a great point. Call it buddying if you will Idc.

Profii is being hypocritical on the role fishing.

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Exactly. You're going to stop because you can't explain it.

I wanted you to list 3 reasons and I was going to ask you why you seen them as not scum motivated.

You refuse to debate.

You're full of it.

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You didn't even respond to how hypocritical you're being.

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no point in responding if youre gonna belittle, refuse to talk and ignore things that have been said.

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VOTE: profii

i tried.

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That's a cool analogy man.

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Why wouldn't you?

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ok? hows that AI for profii?

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the temptation to hammer is strong.

why even say this?

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the temptation to hammer is strong.

Deadline: 11 days, 15 hours, 42 minutes

and im not rdy for day to end

you just trying to look towny here or?

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says the guy that wants to end the day ASAP. Im not exactly town reading Profii but I don't see the immediate need hammer right away and watching osunka lurk and avoid the game is super entertaining. You can take your "u iz trying 2 look town" and shove it up your scum ass.

Lmao. OK bro. Just because I want to lynch scum now doesn't mean I'm scum.

Let's just sit here and wait for the low posters to prod dodge.

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I will take Chumbas "knowing" statement as a soft claim though and I'd like to see a hard claim from chumba.

He "knows".

So let's see how he knows.

See my favorite part of this is what we are about to see.

Chumba pushed havo hard day 1.

Unless chumba is a PR he can't know. It's a Blatant misrep.

The kind of Blatant misrep chumba was pushing havo for against eth0s.

So unless YOU ACTUALLY KNOW CHUMBA DUE TO NIGHT ACTIONS... Then just drop it.

Or Are you gonna deny the fact you're doing what you're accusing havo of doing to eth0s? Blatantly misreping and LYING.

Havo is confirmed scum. Lynch him.

don't ignore this chumba

Complains about needing more from other players but seems to want to end the day while we are waiting from more from those other players.

Seems legit.

Havo is still scum. See y’all day 3 since everyone has blinders on and nobody did what I asked them to and re-evaluated the havo/ethos argument.

wonder why chumba is ignoring me? he cant respond to it.

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the temptation to hammer is strong.

why even say this?

says the guy that wants to end the day ASAP. Im not exactly town reading Profii but I don't see the immediate need hammer right away and watching osunka lurk and avoid the game is super entertaining. You can take your "u iz trying 2 look town" and shove it up your scum ass.

you never told me why you said that. its a legitimate question.

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I can’t even be bothered to wait for intent to hammer, I’ll just say I’m not role claiming- if you want to see my role, consider yourselves up against a poker player who is all in. The only way you get to see my cards is if you go all in too and if you just want to see my cards, that’s a bad bet.

So you’re town but you refuse to claim?

How does that help town?

he's not town. my guess is he's scum acting like he's eth0s mason partner but doesnt want to full claim so he cant be cc'd. Thats EXACTLY what that looks like.

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if he's actually the other mason and doesn't claim it after he was put at L-1 then he's terrible.

so thats the only reason i can think of for him to word it the way he did.

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ok. so you're full claiming youre not the mason? good to know.

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If you're a town PR then claim. A claimed PR is better than no PR. There could be a doctor or townie roleblocker.

Be better to make everyone gamble if I _am_ the protective role and I know I can’t be protected though eh

That’s not a claim btw

I can play the game however I wish

lol. on top of how hypocritical he was being with the rolefishing this guy isn't helping town and he knows it.

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I read through Chumba's ISO over lunch as well as the argument between Havo and eth0s.

VOTE: Havo

I can't confirm anything, but I think I saw something there.

THIS is why you dont wait when you can lynch scum. town tend to circle around to the same options over and over until scum decides which one actually goes through.

@Nero

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I read through Chumba's ISO over lunch as well as the argument between Havo and eth0s.

VOTE: Havo

I can't confirm anything, but I think I saw something there.

Let’s doooooo it

VOTE: Havo

couldnt have been better timing.

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profii and chumba are ignoring and cherry picking what to comment on.

Nero can't explain why he said it's tempting to hammer. Showed interest but never followed through just so he could say "lets wait. look at me im waiting"

HWS, Schadd, Osuka still haven't provided enough content imo but profii IS scum.

Jodaxq who is definately town has disappeared.

game is apathetically enjoyable for scum. I urge town to get in here and put some effort in or we will lose.

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why am i town?

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I can’t even be bothered to wait for intent to hammer, I’ll just say I’m not role claiming- if you want to see my role, consider yourselves up against a poker player who is all in. The only way you get to see my cards is if you go all in too and if you just want to see my cards, that’s a bad bet.

So you’re town but you refuse to claim?

How does that help town?

How sure are you that I’m not scum? That I’m not scum playing a PR to avoid night kills? If the answer is “damn sure” I accept your vote on me. If its anything else, you’re gambling

chumba isn't gambling apparently and you're not worried about that at all.

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If you're a town PR then claim. A claimed PR is better than no PR. There could be a doctor or townie roleblocker.

Be better to make everyone gamble if I _am_ the protective role and I know I can’t be protected though eh

That’s not a claim btw

"if i am the protective role"

So you definitely believe chumba is the investigative?

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why am i town?

please tell me you think im the mason. is that it? Is that the only reason you can TR me despite my terrible play?

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cherry picking.

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its funny you didnt say "if i am the investigative"

seems like a little teamwork from you and chumba is all im getting at.

because had you said "if im the investigative" it contradicts Chumba's position.

You said "if im the other important PR"

quite the coincidence imo.

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cherry picking.

I said the exact same thing in 1171 - feel+f kick on that post and read that paragraph

the point is you didnt respond to other things i had posted. you responded to the "easy" one. not an actual question from me but a statement instead.

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if ANY townie is on the havo lynch before chumba explains what exatly he meant by "knows havo is scum" and havo flips town.

consider yourself the reason for the loss.

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a lot of your actions and play could very well be scum motivated.

I don't see any of it coming from town. I've been wrong before though.

im 95 percent sure youre scum.

as we've already discussed i cant be 100 percent unless i got a guilty on you.

or if im chumba. still waiting on how exactly he got his 100 percent.

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I told you, if you are certain I’m scum... Push my lynch. I won’t claim but I’m not the mason.

why aren't you concerned with chumbas statement? why hop on the havo wagon before chumba clears that up?

its a simple question. do you think chumba is the investigative or do you think he lied when he said "he knows"

i think he lied.

what do you think profii?

what do you think brassherald?

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if havo is gonna be pushed for whatever the hell kind of grammatical tecnhical misrep chumba is pushing him for...

you bet your ass im pushing chumba for flat out lying. Chumba simply cant know unless he's the investigative and got a guilty on havo. i don't think anyone disagrees. voting with him until he clears it up might as well be a scum claim at this point.

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I believe he is the investigative.

i believe chumba is stupid enough to do exactly what he's done as a VT. Due to meta and experience with the player. He very well could be the investigative and i'll vote havo as soon as he hard claims.

because of your explanation though your vote has reasoning. Still dont like it there before chumba clears it up but i appreciate the answer.

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I read through Chumba's ISO over lunch as well as the argument between Havo and eth0s.

VOTE: Havo

I can't confirm anything, but I think I saw something there.

Let’s doooooo it

VOTE: Havo

If you're a town PR then claim. A claimed PR is better than no PR. There could be a doctor or townie roleblocker.

Be better to make everyone gamble if I _am_ the protective role and I know I can’t be protected though eh

That’s not a claim btw

"if i am the protective role"

So you definitely believe chumba is the investigative?

just say you think chumba is the investigative profii...

you're actions speak louder than your words. Sure seems like you believe chumba is the investigative.

I wonder if chumba hard claims before profii answers this...

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I would like a hard claim at this point, but I think I saw crumbing in his iso.

i have no issue with it. if we have a protective then chumba is at no risk even if he hard claims.

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Brass ik it seems like i may have gotten in a tunnel or two.

From your eyes do you think my push on profii for cherry picking responses and ignoring questions is justifiable?

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I believe chumba is just decisive

I’m sure he said he can be wrong at some point. I assume his certainty began on day 1 where he had no info so... investigator ? Probs nah

ok so he's lying? its a yes or no. do you think he's the investigative?

i'm taking probs nah as a no if you're not gonna definitively answer.

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How about you let chumba make excuses for it not you.

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You’d be better off not putting words in my mouth.

I’ll say if he was investigator or not, he would probably behave in the same manner towards Havo given that he decided on day 1 prior to info lynch


Although now you ask and I think about it, he did make a claim on day 1 in a previous game so he is liable to an early claim. So with the protection role a mystery, I suppose we could turn this into follow the cop. Given how disastrously town seem to be doing so far, that would be a good way to salvage the game


So in conclusion, I have no idea but kinda hope he is

exactly. another stance you won't take.

i didn't see yes or no.

you already said no so it doesn't matter.

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so to be clear. i want chumba to hard claim for the reason brass is voting havo. i don't think brass realizes chumba is stupid enough to tunnel that hard.

he isn't stupid enough to flat out lie about a PR claim though. If chumba is a VT he's sitting new standards for hypocrisy with his push on havo.

profii doesn't know if chumba is the cop or not. he actually leans towards chumba isn't but is voting with chumba anyways. Said "follow the cop" before a role claim lol.

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you said "probs nah" so im taking it as a no. if he leaves us in doubt will you continue to vote havo or will you vote chumba instead?

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I would like a hard claim at this point, but I think I saw crumbing in his iso.

Chumba won’t claim. Lol.

Because he’s lying.

He’s scum and if by some crazy miracle he’s not.

Then he’s DEFINITELY SCUM MVP this game.

i can't believe chumba and profii are playing this way IN THE SAME GAME.

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Depends on what he posts

this concludes profii's class of fence sitting.

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I would like a hard claim at this point, but I think I saw crumbing in his iso.

Chumba won’t claim. Lol.

Because he’s lying.

He’s scum and if by some crazy miracle he’s not.

Then he’s DEFINITELY SCUM MVP this game.

Scum MVPs definitely get called out day 2

you definitely help town the most by not taking a side on absolutely anything.

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Just give some thoughts.

What do you think about Nero last few posts?

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if town doesn't get in here and post for whatever reason then scum are getting what they want.

pretty clear what the next step is imo.

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I'm not doing this with you.

Chumba and profii are at the top of my list. You can be reasonable or I can ignore you.

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I do agree toxicity is at an all time high in this game. I don't quite understand why.

It's mostly due to plain negligence of valid points.

Definitely listening to respond rather than listening to understand I'm this game.

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You just ignored claiming AND accused me of negligence lol.

There you go brass.

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Happy birthday btw.

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And the issue is if I don't see it your way I'm not looking at it from an unbiased perspective lol.

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I'm willing to put chumba at L-1 but I'm not putting in the effort to do that unless others agree

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ok? hows that AI for profii?

this is the post that was dense and manipulative. Ofc its not AI. It was a stupid fucking question to ask and I don't think it comes from a town POV.

I'll prob not vote profii just to spite tchill and Jodaxq.

Yeah it was a stupid question. I purposefully asked a stupid question because there was no reason for you to state you were tempted to hammer. That statement itself was obviously meaningless. No point in it. My question isn't manipulative. It's a dumb af question in response to your dumb af statement.

OK that's my explanation. Welcome to my black list if you're worried about spiting instead of winning.

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I'm not scum. I want to separate game mechanics from Chumba's death tunnel. If it's a no, that's all I need. I don't care what his role is. If it's a yes, that's all I need. I don't need to know what his role is.

Chickodee - I said it was a bad tactic but town motivated. It didn’t help find scum in he claim pool - all it did was to serve NK in proving hisntown motivations. So I absolutely can say that

Tchil - I’ve said I’ll stop now - I can see you are stuck in a tunnel on me, but I also know I have a number of scum reads across the board. So I’m not in a position to lead the group to a majority scum lynch - I accept no one will follow me at this point. So if I can stop one mislynchn,that’s 1 town not dying. So by just dragging your tunnel out all it does is make you look bad, I’m already at the bottom, you’re coming down with me so feel free to keep pressing me

This is at least the second time you've accused someone of being "stuck in a tunnel" on you. I wonder why that is?

profii also has 1 scum candidate in hav but has 2 people pinned as town, me and chumba, even though from his pov we are playing scummy.

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and I'm just not a big fan of the way tchill came in and berated us for the nk lynch.

this is not fucking reasonless.

it was a bad lynch.

look at how this day 2 has went and tell me that was the best lynch.

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the temptation to hammer is strong.

Deadline: 11 days, 15 hours, 42 minutes

and im not rdy for day to end

you know why people post stuff like this?

"im town. look at me and how towny im being"

you pushed me quite violently for asking a question that was on the level of your "tempting" statement.

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just drop it dude. it was a meaningless question to poke fun at you. there was nothing manipulative about it. theres enough toxicity as is don't threaten to not play to win.

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oh. so just disregard the fact that i brought up a good point lol.

if you want to scum read me for that specifically you need to prove why your side makes sense instead of saying "well maybe your'e right but it doesn't matter".

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VOTE: chumba

im getting this out of the way.

i have no intent to lynch I just want him to claim, which is dumb because if he actually is town scum is gonna hammer him at L-1. Someone probably will but idc at this point. Yeah im actually saying that idc.

i suggest others do the same.

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that needs to be handled before we move forward.

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so just disregard the fact that i brought up a good point lol.

no, it's not a good point. It has nothing to do with the conversation. Stop sidestepping.

im not side stepping. you just admitted why you began to scumread me didnt even have a strong foundation.

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Honestly you play hasn't effected me at all this game.

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It is incredibly fucking easy to criticize for a mislynch but whats the point? Does it aid in scumhunting? no Its just an attempt to make yourself look good.

If you were really so worried about the foundation of my scumread on you-you wouldn't have waited to respond to it 200 posts later.

vote:tchill

it was brought up and i commented on it.

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VOTE: chumba

im getting this out of the way.

i have no intent to lynch I just want him to claim, which is dumb because if he actually is town scum is gonna hammer him at L-1. Someone probably will but idc at this point. Yeah im actually saying that idc.

i suggest others do the same.

and this is just real silly. You think you've found scum in proffii but you just want to get a claim out of someone. The fuck?!?

it's silly this hasn't been handled yet.

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The mixture of toxicity, apathy and terrible town play has been unbelievable this game.

I'm not just pointing at profii and screaming scum. I've made my case and it's just ignored.

Chumba isn't gonna claim until he's L-1.

The NK lynch WAS bad. It was terrible. Doesn't matter if he could have been newb town or scum we had more important things to tend to other than him.

Nero has apparently declared war on me. I've failed to see where I was manipulative. I'll stand by the NK lynch was terrible. I wasn't being manipulative when I was making fun of a low poster who's failed to provide meaningful content for a larger part of the game.

Jodaxq is town.

Osuka needs to posts more MEANINGFUL content. Stances and things like that.

HWS is looking better I'd just like to see more of it.

Havo and brass needs to help get the chumba wagon to L-1 so we can figure this out.

I don't think I missed anyone?

Very reckless of profii to accuse me of telling him how to play when chumba is pushing havo for not playing a certain way.

Profii has 1 scum nailed and 2 town nailed in spite of their scummy play.

Both profii and chumba refuse to claim or help clear up anything unless lynched or put to L-1.

Imo the majority of problems are coming from profii and chumba.

If you're town please help clear these problems up.

I'd appreciate it very much. We'd get to a less apathetic state in the game if we were to do this.

Profii has cherry picked responses and played opportunistic multiple times. He's yet to argue with jodaxq about this but will argue with me.

Chumba has shown no willingness to work with anyone whatsoever. People know he'll soft a PR as a VT to lynch who he's tunneling. He refuses to clear this up on multiple occasions.

These are the 2 players town need to handle to get rid of the apathetic, toxic state.

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@nero

your post got brought up at the same time. I still wouldn't have commented on it had it not been quoted. it was the first time i had seen that post to be honest.

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@osuka

yeah profii is scum. i want to handle the chumba situation before we move forward because it will not be handled until it HAS to be obviously. We let it drag into day 2 and look at what has happened. I don't want this chumba situation going into day 3. He accused havo of misrepping. Would it not be considered a misrep if chumba said he KNEW havo was scum without being a PR? An investigative in particular. I want his claim for 2 reasons.

I'm not voting havo unless he has been guiltied and thats the ONLY way i would so i need to know if he has because if havo is in fact scum he's fooling me.

I believe chumba is a VT and i want him to acknowledge the level of hypocrisy he's playing on right now. Not only for him to realize it but everyone else as well and to be done with the havo push.

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Well I guess in theory you could have been lurking it up and not seen it not that it makes me feel any better

i have the most posts by 70ish posts. How am i lurking?

i'm not kidding i've skimmed over or flat out ignored most of your posts due to your useless presence in the game. Sorry.

i gave you my answer. Not fooling with it anymore.

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Why'd you drop your scum read on me?

you literally don't matter atm.

Profii and chumba matter.

i forget about nero's and schadd's presence in the game multiple times. They've literally been useless.

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@osuka

yeah profii is scum. i want to handle the chumba situation before we move forward because it will not be handled until it HAS to be obviously. We let it drag into day 2 and look at what has happened. I don't want this chumba situation going into day 3. He accused havo of misrepping. Would it not be considered a misrep if chumba said he KNEW havo was scum without being a PR? An investigative in particular. I want his claim for 2 reasons.

I'm not voting havo unless he has been guiltied and thats the ONLY way i would so i need to know if he has because if havo is in fact scum he's fooling me.

I believe chumba is a VT and i want him to acknowledge the level of hypocrisy he's playing on right now. Not only for him to realize it but everyone else as well and to be done with the havo push.

Okay, but even assuming Chumba is an invest - how could he have possibly known that havo was scum on d1? I don’t think he’s tunneling this slot because of a guilty at all

EXACTLY. Brass voted havo because of chumba though. Profii hopped on immediately. I want chumba to shut down any excuse for people to vote havo out of "well i though chumba was an investigative."

in admitteing he isn't an investigative he admits he "misrepped" or lied so to speak. Which is what he's accusing havo of. Which would mean he's being hypocrtical. So he needs to clear it up. Im willing to play by his rules for this to happen.

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VOTE: havo

Phone posting, more to come after footy... give me a couple hours

at this point in the game there was no reason to believe havo wouldn't be lynched. his wagon had momentum and there was nothing against anyone else.

no point searching for another scum now because they will use our discussion to fiddle the night kills/actions/etc.

I think I'm on Havo. I think Chumba should just vote and Havo can Havo himself

profii's first post back reads as agitation imo. agitation havo wasn't lynched yet because there was "no point" in discussing other players. In discussing a good amount of players that hadnt provided meaningful content. "no point" in taking more stances to lessen the content we can go back and look at later game.

he wanted havo lynched very badly and very quickly. So if you'll read the post i quoted earlier with this in mind it seems to me he expected havo to be lynched by the time he got back to the thread.

here's the foundation of my profii case.

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I completely agree with jodaxq.

This is why I asked chumba what his thoughts were on profii because I knew if myself and jodaxq could could see those 2 things sticking out like a sore thumb chumba should be able to also.

He said profii wasn't worth reading until day 2.

Then I said scum chumba makes sense only with scum profii.

Then chumba said profii was probably bussing havo after stating he wasn't gonna read profii until day 2.c

Im sure jodaxq can see the red flag there.

Profii could be scum with chumba.

Profii could be scum piggy backing off town chumba.

Profii (from Chumbas perspective) could be scum bussing havo.

So please tell me why I shouldn't vote profii?

Why can't I scum read profii and chumba?

Chumba and me always think identically and I don't remember him just excusing it when we didn't mind meld.

I'm not surprised he's not suspicious of profii at all seeing how profii is voting who chumba is tunneling.

When asked about profii chumba said it could be his scum partner bussing. If that's your first thought why not agree to make a deal with a profii lynch?

Definitely doesn't look good for nk15. That's for sure.

This sentence does not advance the town play. It's commentary fluff. It makes you more suspicious.

What do you think about my claim proposal?

Why the hell would scum shout mass claim on day one?

Why the hell would a towny shout mass claim on day one?

That's what I'm thinking.

What are the chances profii defended nk15 so when nk15 flipped town profii could say "told you so"

you're not even answering questions about other players at this point. I really don't care what your opinions are if you only voice them just to chastise me while refusing to do anything but vote havo.

I had 3 scum reads. One of them changed from chick to you but i still have 3. I haven’t hidden this from anyone.

So asking me my thoughts of anyone else is stupid and pointless. My thoughts are they aren’t scum because I already have 3 scum reads. It’s day one and until I have a flip proving my reads right or wrong, I’m not going to change them.

I don’t know why anyone would be upset with me. I’ve caught 2/3 possibly all 3 of the games scum.

yeah you definately are playing perfectly day 1. you've only sorted 3 players.

you refuse to talk about or sort other players.

you threatened to black list someone if they are town.

you tunneled havo for something no one else is pushing him for.

anyone who doesn't agree with you is wrong because you have a "factual" argument.

yeah you definitely played the perfect day 1

according to your meta

chumba. congratulations.

here's some more on profii and chumba.

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VOTE: profii

L-1

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"I told you all to be sure so one of you is scum"-profii

"I can play however I like"-profii

I guess nobody else can play however they like.

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He's posted twice since intent.

No claim.

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He's scum HWS. Somebody hammer.

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Good job Nero. You played pretty good imo.

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Hey scum was I killed because it was super obvious I was the other Mason?

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You can't soft a guilty on a player as a VT and then threaten to black list that player because they flipped town.

You made multiple excuses before even voting Nero in case you were wrong.

Chumba you just have to stop pushing ppl because they don't play how you think a towny should. Nobody plays by the book. There's some really stupid and arrogant ppl on site. You have to look at moves made that would help scum in the long wrong opposed to moves made to lynch scum.

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Hey scum was I killed because it was super obvious I was the other Mason?

Per the mafia thread. Yes

Well I couldn't do anything about that lol. I knew jodaxq was scum because of her votes and I was super bummed I was killed.

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SHE THOUGHT SHE WAS AN EVEN NIGHT DOC!

No. I just found myself overgamed in games where I was vt and forgot I was doc. And like I said, N1 I was almost completely away from the computer and night slipped by me.

I was wondering why I died if I was obviously the other Mason without the known existence of other PR's lol.

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Man. We actually did crumb posts and I thought you had found those but it was different lol.

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Nah, I think it was Joda who mentioned that eth0s was very set on town!Tchill and that was our "Crumb". But our eyes were right on the actual crumb clever way of crumbing honestly!

I'd much rather yall have found the actual crumb than it to just be "we knew eth0s didn't explain very well why you were town" so that does make me feel a bit better lol.

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I learnt a lot in that game, despite causing issues.

I thought Jodaxq was really obvious scum from quite early on, the others I couldn't really place.

By the way HWS, good luck with Med School.

Thanks so much!

And honestly I think I'd have TR'd Joda if I were town... idk why but I didn't really see most of the scum arguments.

Her profii/NK votes sold it for me. Plus the fact I'm pretty sure She's a good player and would have spearheaded 2 mislynches at that point.

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Belittling and going out of your way to one up someone just for the sake of it does no good for town lol. That's the opposite of teamwork.

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With me specifically it's hard for me to reevaluate people once I've made up my mind. Probably the thing I need to work on the most. It my early game reads aren't usually great.

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With me specifically it's hard for me to reevaluate people once I've made up my mind. Probably the thing I need to work on the most. It my early game reads aren't usually great.

so why did you give me so much shit for it when you do the same and you know I do it also?

Because I go about it in a more sensible manner. I don't blame players for how they play specifically but their actions in game. Such as profii weirdly accepting a claim that to me looks really fake or a voting pattern. I make cases based on actions. Usually When I am wrong it's because I'm using a players action to fit a false narrative that I've dreamed up in my head about the scum teams master plan. See how stupid that sounds? Yet I still do it.

I will never, ever soft a guilty as a VT to lynch someone.

I try to stay away from "well they should play like this". You never know how someone is going to play. Ever. You can only judge them based on their actions. I can say I'll vote profii all day long but if I never do it then why am I saying it? Because apparently I get something out of you thinking I'm going to but I obviously don't "need" to or I would vote profii.

I can also readjust mid to late game. I think I make it to end game often because my beginning game isn't spot on. Once I have my lynch pool I try to keep it as short as possible. It's hard to get out of my lynch pool if you're in it but it can happen through voting patterns and other actions.

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Honestly I didn't agree with the havo misrep and I knew it was a hill you were gonna die on so I just ignored it. I shouldn't be forced to kill a townie when I feel both players are town to resolve an issue that honestly wasn't even a real thing to me. It was either ignored or dismissed because people knew there was no point in arguing with you.

It literally led to you saying you'd black list havo. The guy YOU FAKED A GUILTY ON AS A VT.

You're refusal to claim was your acknowledgement that you faked a guilty. You knew if you claimed VT nobody would lynch havo.

How am I ever supposed to trust a player thats shown he'll put his needs ahead of town's needs? You proved you'll lie to get your way as town this game.

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Lying on purpose because it's the only way you'll lynch you're scum read because you don't actually have a case on him, literally just one statement... is different than lying in other ways.

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I never seen him do that and we're arguing about a TvT discussion.

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I've yet to see anyone agree with you on havo. Other votes came from other reasons.

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He lied by calling you a better player? Lol....

Chumba you know better than to guess the scum team day 1 and lock into that.

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You can't justify your lie lol. It's never OK to soft anything as a VT.

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He never lied lmao.

So to be clear you're willing to black list a player that you faked a guilty on that thought of you as a good/decent player?

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You can't justify your lie lol. It's never OK to soft anything as a VT.

that's false. i have seen VTs soft PRs to draw NKs. That is one of the things I have been told is an acceptable lie on this site.

I completely disagree with this but let's say I did.

Did you lie to draw out a NK? Why were you left till lylo?

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Lies from VT's create confusion. That's all they create. If you're still alive at lylo after softing multiple times and you claim VT I'll lynch you every time.

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90% of the time I agree with you on that one, and like I said I apologize for doing it but one of us needed to be lynched. If you didn't go crazy with your role claiming idea, this entire game could have been different.

If you do absolutely everything you can to avoid lylo the chances of town losing are higher.

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Lower.

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If I call someone good and they fail to meet those standards this particular time but they have before is that a lie?

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I don't see why you wouldn't mass claim the day before lylo every time.

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You're not the sole scapegoat.

How do you expect others to be able to play the game when you're demanding every situation you are in be handled immediately?

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I don't see why you wouldn't mass claim the day before lylo every time.

There are some games where a day 1 massclaim are good lol


Some games...I think post lylo is good

I would imagine this would involve setup speculation and I'm not too knowledgeable about that.

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Yeah I never said I was always right.

Literally my favorite part of the game is where chumba said "eth0s and tchill thought Nero was scum" right before he voted Nero lol.

Chumba played the entire game looking to place the blame on others after havo flipped VT.

Chumba knew he messed up after that and couldn't start pointing fingers fast enough.

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If you demand every argument you're involved in be settled immediately don't be surprised when you're the one lynched every time.