Mini Normal 1989: A Perfectly Normal Day -- Game Over

[Joey_]

Hi, im busy tonight but will read/catchup tomorow
@chick no worries

[Joey_]

2 posts is enough for nero to be in his obvious town self

[Joey_]

Havo's scum pool is about exactly the opposite of my reads from skimming the last few pages

[Joey_]

Scum is hws + havo + 1/2 of joda/osuka, will pursue reading the thread

[Joey_]

Chumba is extremely obvious town
Nero is atrocious as scum and is a pain in the ass as town as shown in this game
Chick is a town gut town read that is weak but doubt is wrong

[Joey_]

Shadd's town too
Havo and Hws kinda team told by avoidance d1-d2 with the all town wagon imo on hws, havo just ignored hws and tried to CW is with a t vote onto ethos

[Joey_]

Votecount 1.2

HeWhoSwims

(5): sheepsaysmeep, Nero Cain, Chumba, Tchill13, Not Known 15

sheepsaysmeep

(2): Jodaxq, eth0s

schadd_

(1): profii

eth0s

(1): Havo

Chickadee

(1): osuka

Havo

(1): HeWhoSwims

Not Voting

(2): Chickadee, schadd_

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Look at this first vote count, its pretty funny how HWS voted his partner because he expected to be fliped and thus, would give a non-team tell because "havo is the only slot hws pushed".
Also HWS is an all town wagon

[Joey_]

Osuka non-team told with havo and joda is scummy

my 3/3 is hws/joda/havo

[Joey_]

VOTE: havo <- voting for the most voted scumread in my pool, im down to lynch any of those three atm

[Joey_]

Votecount 3.4

Havo

(3): Chumba, Chickadee, Nero Cain

osuka

(2): osuka, Jodaxq

Chumba

(2): Havo, schadd_

Not Voting

(2): Joey_, HeWhoSwims

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2018-03-03 10:40:00)

osuka is V/LA until February 20.

The vote count is extremely telling and is just confirming my reads
1. The main wagon is onto scum and by town
2. Havo, the biggest wagon and scum, is trying to make herself a CW
3. HWS not voting while interacting with Chumba in a way to probably dismiss/discredit him (probably, in the look of last 2 pages that i havent read), this is scum HWS chainsawing and helping by proxy HAVO
4. Chumba's reaction to HWS is honestly textbook town : its filled with incomprehension, he basically have no clue why hes being fosed and he disagree with the reasons why hes pushed on and its frustrates him, this is a TvS classic interaction
5. 3rd mafia joda is probably as well ignoring the main wagon and "vanity voting" outside Havo with a "good reason" like that osuka is selfing apparently, i havent double checked if its a mod error tho

ez game ez lyf

[Joey_]

Jodaxq-What is your plan to resolve the Havo and Chumba 1v1?

I think Chumba is the scummier of the two and I plan on voting there.

Joda "planing" on voting chumba, aka havo's self-made CW and who HWS is interacting with to probably make them appear scummy.

Those 3 slots are really scummy and they all work in a such a way that im probably wrong somewhere cause it looks too simple, no offense

[Joey_]

Apparently chumba has been softing something and HWS has been trying to make him hardclaim, while chumba is obvious town no one should ask him to claim anything, theres really no reason to atm

[Joey_]

We should probably flip HWS because he will endgame yall who townread him

[Joey_]

I like Joeys thoughts?!?

though was kinda expecting more whine when I called him scum but ok.

To be fair you didnt call me scum based on my own play, but my slot's predecessor which mean that my ego isnt affected

[Joey_]

Apparently chumba has been softing something and HWS has been trying to make him hardclaim, while chumba is obvious town no one should ask him to claim anything, theres really no reason to atm

When I flip town what are you gonna do?

We will see that when i see your green flip, if you want we can lynch hws right now with your help, i think hes scarier than you

[Joey_]

VOTE: havo <- voting for the most voted scumread in my pool, im down to lynch any of those three atm

I'm the most scum read of all your reads?

Is that correct?

No, i voted you cause you were the only scum in my s pool to be voted and any of you 3 flips is fine with me. Like i said earlier i kinda want hws more but i wont strongarm the whole town when the biggest wagon is one of my sr

[Joey_]

Apparently chumba has been softing something and HWS has been trying to make him hardclaim, while chumba is obvious town no one should ask him to claim anything, theres really no reason to atm

So when I flip green you're gonna realize Chumba has been manipulating my entire push?

Chumba is sincerely fucking bleeding town like, no doubt regardless of what hes doing its not because hes scum and that is, regardless of your own flip

[Joey_]

Apparently chumba has been softing something and HWS has been trying to make him hardclaim, while chumba is obvious town no one should ask him to claim anything, theres really no reason to atm

When I flip town what are you gonna do?

We will see that when i see your green flip, if you want we can lynch hws right now with your help, i think hes scarier than you

How well do you know Nero?

Played with nero 2-4 times as both alignement, imo i think hes easy to read, always wrong as town and his town/scum play is night and day

[Joey_]

Because I'm gonna flip Green,

then you'll see Chumba back pedal and accuse me of horrible play.

And he'll claim you can't lynch him because it's LYLO. lol.

Why would chumba be scum just because youre town ? is there a mechanic behind that affirmation/thought

[Joey_]

Apparently chumba has been softing something and HWS has been trying to make him hardclaim, while chumba is obvious town no one should ask him to claim anything, theres really no reason to atm

So when I flip green you're gonna realize Chumba has been manipulating my entire push?

Chumba is sincerely fucking bleeding town like, no doubt regardless of what hes doing its not because hes scum and that is, regardless of your own flip

So you think Death tunneling and refusing to hunt other scum is bleeding town?

Thats not really what i said, i didnt even explain why i townread chumba. If you were really concerned about my actual thoughts, you would be asking me upfront w/o putting words in my mouths and/or trying to discredit chumba and/or my read on chumba

[Joey_]

Apparently chumba has been softing something and HWS has been trying to make him hardclaim, while chumba is obvious town no one should ask him to claim anything, theres really no reason to atm

When I flip town what are you gonna do?

We will see that when i see your green flip, if you want we can lynch hws right now with your help, i think hes scarier than you

How well do you know Nero?

Played with nero 2-4 times as both alignement, imo i think hes easy to read, always wrong as town and his town/scum play is night and day

He's ALWAYS wrong as Town? But yet his vote is on me.

Nice.

He also put me in his pool when i replaced in

[Joey_]

You can soft all you want, lie and still be town @havo

[Joey_]

Hum yes, nero tends to scumread me for stupid stuff so
Like i said, either you vote HWS in your very next post or i will see you roped today, im giving you an out lady

[Joey_]

He's ALWAYS wrong as Town?

1. This is a lie
2. This is irrelevant
3. Isn’t this basically saying I’m town here?

Its because i meant to say that nero often has poor reads thus nero fosing havo means that havo is town. I did say that figuratively so technically thats not a lie ftr

[Joey_]

VOTE: Havo

Good luck town, hope you come out to play.

Dude, i am basically TELLING you to vote HWS and i will help you lynch his ass

[Joey_]

UNVOTE:

@Havo is there anyway you can justify selfing over voting outside yourself when im showing support? How is that pursuing a town win con

[Joey_]

Its not a 1vs1 Havo, i wont lynch chumba tomorow regardless of your flip and no one will give a shit about it either and even moreso if hes scum

[Joey_]

Too late, the 1v1 should have been resolved Day 1,

better late than never.

Chumbas game has been TRASH.

Please, justify selfing over voting HWS here

[Joey_]

Chumba do you have anything that is remotely related to game information or not? Because if you indeed softed stuff and its a green flip this is avoidable rn

[Joey_]

UNVOTE:

@Havo is there anyway you can justify selfing over voting outside yourself when im showing support? How is that pursuing a town win con

Havo self hammered like a good scum. Unvote won’t work

its 5 to lynch?

[Joey_]

i didnt even know i put her at L-1 thats annoying

[Joey_]

Chumba do you have anything that is remotely related to game information or not? Because if you indeed softed stuff and its a green flip this is avoidable rn

Chumba has screwed this town from Day 1.

You couldve try to compromise lynch one of his sr and one of yours you know

[Joey_]

havo i fucking did extend the olive branch in your face, twice

[Joey_]

lol well you wasted a ml

[Joey_]

LOL chumba is rob fuck me

[Joey_]

Chumba why dont you have the slightest doubt in havo fliping red here? hes hammered and has been posting pretty hard stuff since then

[Joey_]

Good LUck to the townies, I sincerely hope you win,

I hope to play with a few of you again in the future.

I actually think i know how you feel, if chumba is rob i know how it feels to talk to a brick wall death tunnelling you

[Joey_]

inb4

[Joey_]

Chumba why dont you have the slightest doubt in havo fliping red here? hes hammered and has been posting pretty hard stuff since then

Cause I know he’s scum

By play or by info

[Joey_]

Because you once repeated that sentence about a thousand time in our last game and i was t

[Joey_]

Dude rob, i once misread you in one game thus i will retract my townread until this is flipping. You arent as obvious town as you were in your derpy game either so lets see

[Joey_]

lol theres no fucking way you dont remember that game, voltron with mariar as mod and you as derpy hooves

[Joey_]

viewtopic.php?f=84&t=73326

[Joey_]

Thanks to Insanity for having me in your game.

Wish I would have drawed scum to be honest. lol.

Sorry for the Toxic atmosphere, but I just couldn't escape it no matter how hard I tried.

You deserve a fucking Oscar. Nice acting

I'm flipping green dude. Deal with it.

And I laid out why you were scum on Day 2.

Rob knows I can read him. He didn't want me in this game.

Rob believes in LYNch ALL LIars, yet he softed a guilty on me.

He ignored my reasons for going after Ethos time and time again.

Ethos even town read me and stopped my lynch. The guy I was pushing TOWN read me. FFS.

Sorry i guess, can you link said soft?

[Joey_]

i regret not having prior knowledge that chumba's town, "knowing" ppl are scum for playing a "bad town game" is what he does

[Joey_]

I have other info that makes me know he’s scum but I can’t talk about it until the game is over.

looks like unusable meta

[Joey_]

Nero. From your POV it was just 2 people.

From mine it was 3.

You didn’t even try to defend yourself from joda’s case. That’s effort I was looking for. He at least made a case even if it was crappy. I expected you to respond so I could analyze it.

Everyone in the dead thread who said it’s a slam dunk nero town. Bullshit. I’ve been in the same position and being in the dead thread having others to bounce ideas off of helps. I didn’t have that luxury. Nero wasn’t obv town and I explained why.

I made an informed decision and chose wrong. I accept that and took responsibility for it.

@havo. Please don’t lie going forward. Also don’t mention ongoing games when you respond to an unrelated message. I had to sit there and wonder if you were trying to influence me intentionally.

Took me two posts to read the guy.

Genuine and sincere tip:
alignement is not about “what town should do and shouldn’t”, it’s about “they do this, but isnit scum motivated or toen motivated”

[Joey_]

Mulch, please stop. I think it is enough that chumba saw that they played badly and said they will improve.
Chumba, please notice that it is also you playstyle that is under criticism here.
If you play like an asshole(which was your own definition of your play) then that disrupts town.

I get it. I’ll try yet again go dial it back. I just see scummy behavior and push it. Would make it easier if people stopped doing scummy things

You dont get it do you? It wasnt scummy, you just misread everyone and pushes town for what you expect is town play. You are the most rigid and conservative mafia player i have ever met and that is the complete opposite of what a good player is : flexible and sensitive

[Joey_]

@joey. Who is your other account?

Cloudkicker

Btw about havo’s play, you asked me what is the town motivation in misreping. You actually have to ask yourself if it is really misrepping, why wouldn’t havo actually believe that you are a better player than tunnelling? Is it more an opinion or a fact ? Disagreeing on opinion isnt lying, its just that, disagreeing

[Joey_]

He didn’t lie, he had a different opinion of you than you have of yourself. Then you pushed the lie thingy and he off course denied the lie (and still denies it). Anyway, lets move on. Also assume that most often then not, misunderstanding are genuine misunderstanding and rarely are alignement indicative

[Joey_]

@joey. Who is your other account?

Cloudkicker

Btw about havo’s play, you asked me what is the town motivation in misreping. You actually have to ask yourself if it is really misrepping, why wouldn’t havo actually believe that you are a better player than tunnelling? Is it more an opinion or a fact ? Disagreeing on opinion isnt lying, its just that, disagreeing

And if it’s a fact?

Tunneling is unfortunately my playstyle and he knows this.

So now that it’s a fact that I’m not better than tunneling what does it make it?

An opinion still or a misrep/lie?

You dont know what havo believes or not, you judges this as if he meant to “lie”. Different perspectives

[Joey_]

Alright i didnt read the thread when i replaced in anyway