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[Chumba]

Tchill hasnt brought up valid points. He doesn’t even seem to know the definition of threatening cause if he did he could clearly see I didn’t threaten. I meeely said that I may have to replace out.

He keeps twisting things. Like when i said maybe havo/profli were bussing he twisted that into me saying they probably are.

I see it as manipulative but y’all don’t.

P.edit - I’ve replaced out of my a game already. I’m not replacing out of this one since it’s already solved and I don’t trust my replacement to follow through.

[Chumba]

Let the record show I’ve been consistently calling nk15 scum all game and I don’t believe I ever once said he was town. So just another lie by tchill

[Chumba]

I hammered myself.
So I can confirm to you: I am town!

Only scum should self hammer so I’ll wait for a flip in case you are trolling.

If you are town, you should never self vote. You shouldn’t try and get half the player list to claim day 1 either.

[Chumba]

Tbh everyone one of the players in this game is having a terrible game. There isn’t a single person I’d say is playing well.

[Chumba]

591/828: these are like addressed to town chumba though havo is like 1v1ing them? and then on the other side of the coin chumba's response is "i can do this and still be town!!"

What do you make of the fact that those 2 posts basically contradict each other?

[Chumba]

Just don’t be too confident. Apparently being too confident is toxic

[Chumba]

VOTE: havo

[Chumba]

havo is definitely scum, you guys just really need to trust me on this. Pretty sure tchill is also but I

know

havo is.

[Chumba]

I've laid out better cases for chumba and profii.

Chumbas argument on havo isn't even a case imo.

I'll wait for the lurkers to be replaced before moving on to day 3.

this is such a stupid and bad post and one I could see coming from scum, if you are town I can't see you making such a terrible post.

1. you certainly haven't made a good case for me but let's say you did.
2. I never even claimed to make a case, didn't need one because the arguments I made are awesome and proven true and facts > opinions
3. I don't even need that stuff anymore because I

know

for a fact havo is scum now.

I've gotta run, hopefully people will just trust me here and lynch havo.

[Chumba]

the 1 v 1 wasn't pointless especially given ethos flipped town and I didn't manipulate anything.

Now that we know ethos was town and everything he said is true, everyone who is town should be revisiting that argument with the new perspective and look to see if havo's involvement still make him look like town or if it makes him look like scum.

once you do that please drop a vote on havo because you should see what i already know. havo is scum.

[Chumba]

So just because eth0s is town his actions are justifiable?

You don't get to pick and choose how people should play as a certain alignment.

It just doesn't work that way.

1. I am not even talking about etho's actions (but he didn't do anything wrong so...)

2. Do you honestly think havo's actions were justified? Ehos said something and havo pushed that he said something completely different even after ethos clarified and quoted his clarification.

You don't have any issues with havo misrepping ethos?

here is the official definition of misrepresentation

: to give a false or misleading representation of usually with an intent to deceive or be unfair

This is what Ethos said

Havo I'm sorry that you are so bad at being a town player but please don't take your anger out on me

here is his explanation of what he meant with his post

Nope, he was a bad townie last game. Now it seems like angry scum this time around

Havo ignores this and pushes a different narrative multiple times
316 - "how do you know I'm town" (Ethos never says he is)
342 asks the same question even after ethos attempts to explain what he meant (Ethos still never says he is town)
353quotes his previous question (ethos still never said he is town)
355Tells ethos that he called him bad town (ethos never did this)
357havo says etho's iso speaks for himself when I accuse him of misrepping (Ethos iso does speak for itself. It says that he never said what havo thinks he says)
359I tell havo that ethos never says he is bad town
362havo posts the exact quote ethos said, twice even thus proving that he never called havo bad town
365havo quotes my post and ethos post this proving me right and havo wrong
366ethos AGAIN explaining he isn't talking about this game
385havo asks ethos if he said he was talking about last game when he said the comment. While technically at the time he made the statement he didn't say that, but he followed it up with that clarification and for whatever reason havo ignored it (well it's not whatever reason since I know havo is scum now)


now let's look at that definition again.

: to give a false or misleading representation of usually with an intent to deceive or be unfair

Did havo give a false or misleading representation? 100% yes he did.

did he do it with an intent to deceive? I personally know this is a yes, now it is up to everyone else to decide for themselves.

[Chumba]

havo is definitely scum, you guys just really need to trust me on this. Pretty sure tchill is also but I

know

havo is.

This is PURE manipulation.

Bolding the KNOW insinuates something, but he won’t say it so he can’t be held accountable.

Just like his BS threat to replace out.

It’s all manipulation.

this isn't manipulation. this is me saying I 100% know you are scum.

[Chumba]

Havo is confirmed scum. Lynch him.

[Chumba]

Complains about needing more from other players but seems to want to end the day while we are waiting from more from those other players.

Seems legit.

Havo is still scum. See y’all day 3 since everyone has blinders on and nobody did what I asked them to and re-evaluated the havo/ethos argument.

[Chumba]

That’s a weird question since it’s been a huge part of day 1 discussion and I even posted post numbers earlier this day phase.

Havo I'm sorry that you are so bad at being a town player but please don't take your anger out on me

Start from here.

[Chumba]

I’m disappointed nobody has re-read that argument between havo and ethos and given their updates reads.

A big part of this game is to re-evaluate after flips. Let’s forget my tunneling for a second and do what each townie should do. Re-evaluate. (Save the lecture about me, because despite what anyone says, I actually did do this. Trying to keep an open mind. Unfortunately I still don’t see how havo as town would react that way)

If you can read that exchange and come out with a town read knowing he was pushing an incorrect narrative and ignoring ethos explanation, please explain it to me

This is a big issue I’m having with the game right now. I feel people are refusing to reevaluate simply because I’m tunneling. If true that’s stupid. Don’t potentially lose the game because you don’t like how I’m playing.

It’s my birthday tomorrow. I’ll be away til at least Thursday. Nobody wants to lynch him, so please at least do your own work and read that argument again knowing ethos was town.

While you do that.

Ask yourself why would havo as town ignore ethos explanation repeatedly?

Why did havo not even realize that what he accuses ethos of saying, isn’t actually what ethos said or meant?

Why when this was pointed out to havo, he still act like it was basically the same thing even though it wasn’t

I would like everyone to do this please.

P.edit - tchill. I’m sorry but if you are town you are 100% guilty of neglecting valid points yourself and you certainly aren’t listening to understand or else you would have already re-read that havo/ethos argument with fresh unbiased eyes.

See y’all in a couple of days.

[Chumba]

I’m not ignoring anything. My stance on claiming is public already. It hasn’t changed day 2 and won’t change on future days either.

You have ignored my requests to re-read havo/ethos argument though. If you want to talk about ignoring things why not bug every single player to stop ignoring my request. I won’t be around to do it but you seem to be an advocate on ignoring things so show me I’m wrong on you and advocate equally. Ok?

I’m not claiming unless I’m at l-1 and somebody gives intent.

Thank you for the wishes but until this game is over, I don’t need anyone talking to me about personal stuff. It’s bad enough multiple people have tried to twist my irl issues into game play, I don’t need somebody saying I’m lying about my birthday or something.

I now regret even mentioning it.

[Chumba]

VOTE: havo

[Chumba]

This makes me happy. Town is finally getting it. 2 more votes and we get our first scum lynch.

[Chumba]

Havo give it up. I know you are scum.

My play is amazing and you trying to discredit me is weak. You should have played your game different and no be so obvious.

[Chumba]

@chic. I’m sorry but you are just making excuses. If you were really annoyed with the game you would have replaced out already. Plus day 2 and beyond I’ve posted very little.


Also keep in mind that every time havo calls/called me toxic, he’s basically admitting to me being town. If I were scum I wouldn’t be toxic, I’d be scum pushing his mislynch.


Here is the bottom line one last time. This is my case on havo. I suggest instead of havo calling me toxic he make one for me.

Havo misread what ethos said and pushed it.
Ethos explained what he meant multiple times and havo still ignored it
I pointed out that havo made a mistake and even showed him, and he ignored it.

A reasonable townie wouldn’t keep ignoring these things.

Havo said I was better than tunneling
Havo later says I basically always tunnel.

Havo has no issues with people saying havo is town when it’s in the positive but when somebody said it in the negative it’s a slip? That’s BS

Havo keeps saying I’m toxic and I’m scum. It doesn’t work like that. I’m toxic only if I’m town. I’m scum pushing his mislynch if I’m scum.


I’m not toxic. I’m trying to lynch the person who I thought was scum day 1. Someone who I know is scum day 2.

The point of mafia is to find scum (done that) and get them lynched (trying to do that). I wish others would play the game also. The apathy from everyone is not good. Not a single person did what I asked and re-read the havo/ethos argument knowing ethos was town which is highly annoying.

I won’t make another post this day phase unless I’m prodded. Pick me or havo and let’s do this sooner than later.

[Chumba]

Isoing jodax. She’s sort of been defending havo all game. I’m fairly certain she’s his partner.

If they somehow lynch me today please lynch havo tomorrow. I don’t need to tell anyone how I know he’s scum. I just do. You can call it manipulation if you want but it’s the truth.

[Chumba]

Still don’t trust chick. She’s pushing havo but it could be a bus but she did nail it on the head. Havo is manipulative. I’m stubborn.

[Chumba]

can anyone remember why havo thinks I am scum? Has havo even make a case on me? If not a case has he even given reasons why I am scum? I tried looking through his iso and don't really see anything.

I at least have given reasons and said them over and over again. You can choose to believe them or not to believe them but I have put them out there. Why hasn't havo?

for those voting me, if you are town shouldn't you at least try and figure out why he thinks I am scum?

[Chumba]

but I still find Chumba scummier, mainly due to his softclaiming of knowledge without wanting to come out with it outright.

that's a stupid reason to find me scummy. It's a stupid reason to want to lynch somebody.

This is why I seriously doubt you are town and why I think you look like his scum buddy. You have to look at each person's play overall. Havo is resorting to adhom attacks , he has said that I am hurting town (which can't be possible if I am scum), and he hasn't one given reasons on why he thinks I am scum (not that I can find anyway, can you? if yes, please link it for me)

[Chumba]

If havo legitimately scum read me, do you think he would make this post? If I am scum, how can I be hurting town?

So you’d rather have town lynch a self proclaimed townie, than let a replacement come in and undo your death tunnel and actually help town?

Sorry, I wasn’t gonna address you again, but you just continue to try and hurt this town. It’s ridiculous.
Replace out and let someone rational play your role.

also

Twice Havo says I am better than this but then there is the post in the middle. Anyone who has played with me or my alt know that I am not a better player than how I am playing here. Everyone who has ever played with me knows I am a death tunneler and while I know I am not wrong 90% of the time, I do concede I am wrong a lot. Havo trying to imply he knows I am a better player is just a lie.

You’re tunneling

Why yes I am.

You’re a better player than this. That’s why I think you’re scum.

@Chumba

EVERYONE KNOWS WHAT YOUR TUNNELING GARBAGE LEADS TOO!!!!!!!!!

WE HAVE ALL SEEN IT BEFORE AND ITS WRONG 90% OF THE TIME!!!!!!!!

100% OF THE TIME ON DAY 1.

You’re a much better player than what you have shown here.

Havo knows I am town, but he doesn't like the fact that I am scum reading him so he just wants me gone either by lynch or by replacement.

He also throws digs at town for being apathetic and then throws jabs at Nero by saying that if he were town he'd have found scum by now.

havo isn't relying on any scum hunting. He basically OMGUSd ethos and OMGUSd me and now he is OMGUSING Nero.

I really wish town would have listened day 1 and lynched one of us day 1, but they didn't so you have to do it today.

I feel like i have given the most evidence as to why havo is scum. I feel like havo has provided no reasons for why I am scum.

idk what else I can do or say at this point to get people to listen to me but havo is the right lynch.

[Chumba]

What’s the case for each of those 3? You can summarize. i mean besides the fact all 3 of us are voting you.

[Chumba]

Can you share some scum reads and reasons?

[Chumba]

DO YOU HAVE LEGITIMATE, INCRIMINATING GAME INTELLIGENCE?

Yes and I’ve already shared it with everyone yet nobody is listening to me.

Havo has intentionally manipulated ethos posts
Havo has intentionally lied about me and my meta.

Those are legitimate. Those are incriminating.

For all the townies bitching abwhere this game is headed. Or where it’s at.

I say this.......

Change the narrative. You can easily change this. Start playing the game.
We are at this point because the Tunnel has simply filled the void of the rest of town NOT PLAYING.

Post, scumhunt, ask questions, apply pressure.

Hell its not that hard.

Then why aren’t you doing this? You are telling people to do things you aren’t willing to do yourself.

I expected better for your first scum game on this site.

[Chumba]

I am town and don’t give a shit if I’m Lynched or not. Town didn’t want to lynch obv scum day 1 and they didn’t want to do it day 2 either. We are on the right track day 3 but if it doesn’t happen I’ll be happy to be done with this game.

Don’t worry about if I crumbed a result or didn’t crumb a result. If you are town rely on your own fucking scum hunting abilities and decide who’s scum or not.

And you are wrong, It’s possible to know somebody is scum without actually having a guilty on them. I’ve done it before.

[Chumba]

How am I scummier? I have given reasons. I’m asking people to go back and reread.

Havo hasn’t given reasons for me this entire game (not that I can find anyway)

He just sits and screams I’m scum without backing it up. He mentions how I’m a shity player in other games which is irrelevant to this one.

Havo blatantly misrepped ethos. Havo ignored ethos explanations.

Havo said the 1v1 between us happened because I “attacked” him. I didn’t attack him. I called him out for misrepping ethos.

Havo has twice lied and said I’m better than the way I’m playing. That’s not true at all. This is how I play and havo admitted he knows that.

Now his entire scumpool just happens to be the people voting him? Havo had a town read on chick early on, even tried to get her to hammer profli and suddenly she’s a scum read?

Let’s also not ignore the multiple posts he’s made that implies he knows I’m town who’s just playing bad or ruining the game.

Even now havo is telling people to do things he hasn’t done himself.

All signs point to havo scum. I’m town as fuck.

Don’t agree then vote me and get me out of this game so when we lose I can at least say I tried and nobody listened to me.

[Chumba]

should probably read back though.

That’s what I’ve been asking people to do...

Nobody has linkes me to havo’s “case” on me. If you are saying I’m scummier, first find his case and tell me what you agree with. Second, put into words what makes me scummier than him


Thank you

[Chumba]

Joey’s thoughts mirror what I was already thinking so I have no qualms with it. I’m still mildly suspicious of chick but right now I like the idea of havo/joda/hws team.

[Chumba]

Oh put it in me. What is your case on me? Where are your reasons for your other scum reads? Why aren’t you doing what you’ve asked others to do?

Joey replaces in. Reads and comes to a conclusion all in his own and you use “what will you do when I flip greeen” as your defense?


If you want people to think you are town, you have to act like it.

You blame me for scum hunting. If I’m wrong I’ll deal with it but for somebody who supposedly cares so little about getting lynched, you seem to care quite a bit

[Chumba]

Because I'm gonna flip Green,

then you'll see Chumba back pedal and accuse me of horrible play.

And he'll claim you can't lynch him because it's LYLO. lol.

I don’t need to backpedal. If you are town your play has been shit. I’m blacklisting you it’s so shit.

But you aren’t town

[Chumba]

He's ALWAYS wrong as Town?

1. This is a lie
2. This is irrelevant
3. Isn’t this basically saying I’m town here?

[Chumba]

OKay I"m about to self vote,

Normally I'd never do that, but in this case I think it's best for town so they can move on from this 1v1

If you are town. Why self vote?

Why not provide the reasons why I’m scum, why Nero is scum, and why chick is scum?

You are basically trashing my playstyle and my character. What I do in other games is irrelevant this game.

[Chumba]

Chumba if you're town, hands down worst game you've ever played.

Yet if you are town you played way worse than me. But we know you aren’t town.

[Chumba]

UNVOTE:

@Havo is there anyway you can justify selfing over voting outside yourself when im showing support? How is that pursuing a town win con

Havo self hammered like a good scum. Unvote won’t work

[Chumba]

UNVOTE:

@Havo is there anyway you can justify selfing over voting outside yourself when im showing support? How is that pursuing a town win con

Havo self hammered like a good scum. Unvote won’t work

its 5 to lynch?

You placed the 4th vote. Havo placed the hammer

[Chumba]

Havo if town would have just ignored me. He clearly knows I’m town yet he pushes it over and over.

He made no case for me and when he said he was going to provide reasons for his reads he self hammers instead. Now he’s trolling.

[Chumba]

I TRIED over and over to work with Chumba, but he'd have none of it.

You don’t have to work with me to play this game. You could have ignored me and did what you asked others to do yet you didn’t.

Don’t blame me cause you rolled scum and got caught.

[Chumba]

For all the townies bitching abwhere this game is headed. Or where it’s at.

I say this.......

Change the narrative. You can easily change this. Start playing the game.
We are at this point because the Tunnel has simply filled the void of the rest of town NOT PLAYING.

Post, scumhunt, ask questions, apply pressure.

Hell its not that hard.

Why didn’t havo do any of this?

[Chumba]

He wouldn't even post his other scum reads.

That’s a lie also

[Chumba]

I TRIED over and over to work with Chumba, but he'd have none of it.

You don’t have to work with me to play this game. You could have ignored me and did what you asked others to do yet you didn’t.

Don’t blame me cause you rolled scum and got caught.

Screw you Rob, you ruined this game.

SCUM MVP if you're town,

Why didn’t you ignore me? Cause you are scum trying to win by discrediting me. Sorry it didn’t work.

If this was your town game you’d have played different. You would have ignored me.

[Chumba]

Chumba why dont you have the slightest doubt in havo fliping red here? hes hammered and has been posting pretty hard stuff since then

Cause I know he’s scum

[Chumba]

Chumba why dont you have the slightest doubt in havo fliping red here? hes hammered and has been posting pretty hard stuff since then

It's why I think he's scum.

He KNOWS day 1 reads are crap.

He knows exactyly what he's done here and what he was doing the entire time.

No I don’t know that. I fucking death tunnel my day 1 reads all the time and you already admitted you knew that.

[Chumba]

Thanks to Insanity for having me in your game.

Wish I would have drawed scum to be honest. lol.

Sorry for the Toxic atmosphere, but I just couldn't escape it no matter how hard I tried.

You deserve a fucking Oscar. Nice acting

[Chumba]

Dude rob, i once misread you in one game thus i will retract my townread until this is flipping. You arent as obvious town as you were in your derpy game either so lets see

Do I know you?

[Chumba]

For all the townies bitching abwhere this game is headed. Or where it’s at.

I say this.......

Change the narrative. You can easily change this. Start playing the game.
We are at this point because the Tunnel has simply filled the void of the rest of town NOT PLAYING.

Post, scumhunt, ask questions, apply pressure.

Hell its not that hard.

Why didn’t havo do any of this?

Answer please?

[Chumba]

lol theres no fucking way you dont remember that game, voltron with mariar as mod and you as derpy hooves

I have a shitty memory when it comes to past games. I don’t recognize you nor do I remember playing with you.

I don’t even remember the game

[Chumba]

Rob believes in LYNch ALL LIars, yet he softed a guilty on me.

Did I?

[Chumba]

For all the townies bitching abwhere this game is headed. Or where it’s at.

I say this.......

Change the narrative. You can easily change this. Start playing the game.
We are at this point because the Tunnel has simply filled the void of the rest of town NOT PLAYING.

Post, scumhunt, ask questions, apply pressure.

Hell its not that hard.

Why didn’t havo do any of this?

Answer please?

[Chumba]

I have YET to draw scum on this site.

I CAN'T WAIT.

IT'S GONNA BE GLORIOUS WHEN I FINALLY DO.

Til this game

[Chumba]

Yes, you damn sure did.

No I didn’t.

[Chumba]

For all the townies bitching abwhere this game is headed. Or where it’s at.

I say this.......

Change the narrative. You can easily change this. Start playing the game.
We are at this point because the Tunnel has simply filled the void of the rest of town NOT PLAYING.

Post, scumhunt, ask questions, apply pressure.

Hell its not that hard.

Why didn’t havo do any of this?

Answer please?

[Chumba]

Did havo scum hunt today? No
Did havo ask questions? No
Did havo apply pressure? No

Did havo death tunnel me? Yes
Did havo throw garbage at me to discredit my name? Yes
Did havo lie about me? Yes
Did havo make a case for me? No
Did havo give reasons for Nero or chick? No
Did havo basically omgus everyone on his wagon? Yes

Havo isn’t town. I don’t care how much trolling he’s doing now. If somehow he is (I don’t believe he is) he played 1000x worse than I did because instead of playing his own game, he stooped to playing my game and taking cheap shots at me over and over.

I kept the game about THIS game. He basically shit on my entire reputation on this site.

I have other info that makes me know he’s scum but I can’t talk about it until the game is over.

If I’m wrong (I’m not) I’ll apologize for my play but havo better damn sure apologize about his.

[Chumba]

No regrets. Havo is scum. He’s trolling

[Chumba]

No not meta. I don’t really use meta

I really wish people would have resolved this day 1. This game would have gone much better.

Havo, even though you are scum I don’t like the fact you decided to pull in my meta and trash me like you did. You were one of the few people I liked on this site but I feel like you’ve crossed the line.

[Chumba]

Smh havo. You’ll have to explain to me one day what was up with your shit play this game. You forced me to death tunnel you. Also fuck town for not resolving this day 1 like I asked. I told you I wasn’t voting anyone else.

Now I have no clue who scum is.

I’ll try to re-read at some point. Hopefully wagon analysis will be useful.

[Chumba]

joda/schadd/hws is who I am looking at but I totally expect to be lynched today

[Chumba]

Schadd could very well be telling the truth but given how he’s not played the game his word means nothing. I never trust a guilty in lylo from somebody I scum read.

So idk where to go from here.

[Chumba]

And now we wait for the lurkers to come back probably tomorrow or the next day

[Chumba]

Clearly he’s claiming a Pr osuka. He’s saying he knows you aren’t a VT.

I never agreed to mass claim btw

[Chumba]

Cause it’s pointless imo. I’m not a fan of mass claims and I’ve already said the only way I’m claiming is at l-1

[Chumba]

You certainly are entitled to think that but I’m not scum. I have a history of disliking mass claims. I don’t see how it’s going to help. We have 1 basically claimed Pr now and I don’t believe him. I judge play not claims especially in lylo.

I’d rather focus on the strange dilemma we are in now with osuka/schadd

I’m also wondering why hws posts once and says he won’t post again until tomorrow.

I’m also wondering why chic believed schadd at face value without considering he could be scum.

[Chumba]

What a dumb question.

[Chumba]

joda/schadd/hws is who I am looking at but I totally expect to be lynched today

Did this come from your re-read? What caused you to reach this conclusion?

Yes. You mostly for your vote history. The others for their complete lack of participation.

[Chumba]

We have a player who has refused to take part in the mass claim. I'm really not keen on continuing it until he agrees.

Typically everyone is asked if they agree to a mass claim. That didn’t happen here. Nero just said we’re doing one.

My position on claiming should be well known considering I’ve said it twice previously. I also have a meta against mass claims. So if I get lynched for not mad claiming I’ll deal with it but whoever is town will have to deal with losing a game because they policy lynched me in lylo over something stupid.

[Chumba]

You can say that but it doesn’t make it true. My win condition is to eliminate threats to town. It isn’t to claim my role if I don’t have to.

[Chumba]

I’ve pretty much written this game off as a loss based on how bad tchill and havo played and town not resolving the 1 v 1 day 1.

Now I’m waiting to see what happens with this osuka v schadd thing.

[Chumba]

Jo and Chumba are holding up the mass claim b/c either they are scum or Chumba is playing against his wincon to stick to this "I don't like to mass claim" meta

You must be scum cause you keep saying me not claiming is playing against my win condition when it actually isn’t.

[Chumba]

If you are town I think it is. If you are scum then it is not. True.

Oh so you are scum?

Good

VOTE: nero

[Chumba]

Chumba, your definition of playing to your wincon is extremely narrow and stubborn. You haven't done anything except death tunnel a town slot.

No it’s not. No where in the rules of mafia does it say you have to mass claim in lylo, let alone ever.

He came in basically saying it like it was a given. That’s not how I have seen mass claims work. Typically everyone agrees or majority does.

I’m against it and not doing it and him saying I’m playing against my win condition because I won’t is 1. Bullshit and 2. A scum claim.

[Chumba]

or majority does.

The majority of us have already claimed.

Good for y’all. I’m still not claiming and I don’t see bullying to get me to claim coming from town.

I told everyone how I was going to claim and I’m a man of my word.

[Chumba]

Checkmate is right. You aren’t scared of scum quick hammering you so I now know you are scum.

[Chumba]

I feel like I'm playing with a toddler. I am legit the only person doing anything this day phase. Scum are those in the background lurking. (I'm leaning osuka, Joda and maybe HWS)

You did something anti-town so imo you didn’t do anything useful

[Chumba]

Scum would need another town vote to rush in and quick lynch, no?

I am town.

He thinks or thought I was plus He has no fear that scum will quick hammer him.

From my POV he’s confirmed scum. I’m not unvoting so if I’m wrong scum will quick hammer him.

[Chumba]

So chick and Nero. Nice I’ve found 2 scum. Chick literally just implied I was scum but doesn’t vote me.

[Chumba]

1. If you are town why the fuck would you say me not mass claiming is playing against my win con when it isn’t?

Scum would need another town vote to rush in and quick lynch, no?

2. Isn’t this chick saying I’m scum?

[Chumba]

To appear town? Why push for a mass claim as town when you know scum can lie?

Lylo is when you go back and look at history. Anything said in lylo is done in desperation.

Like the schadd claim. I don’t trust that face value. Nobody should. Pretty much everything said in lylo should be ignored and you rely on scum hunting.

[Chumba]

I’ve seen town trying to “understand the setup “ only to be wrong and lose. I don’t play based off setups anymore cause of that.

[Chumba]

You must be scum cause you keep saying me not claiming is playing against my win condition when it actually isn’t.

I said this. You followed it up with yet another post claiming I’m playing against my win condition. I don’t really see why you as town would say something like this.

If you disagree with me that’s fine but you just called me scum for believing in something that’s factually correct.

I don’t have to ever claim my role to win the game. Nobody does. Refusal to claim doesn’t hurt towns chances either. It’s a game where scum do whatever it takes including lying and in the part of the game where scum have the most motivation to lie, I’m not believing anyone’s claim at face value and I’m certainly not voting with somebody just because the setup makes sense, because just cause it makes sense, doesn’t mean that’s the actual setup.

I’ll decide based on how people played the game and because you just did something something so incredibly scummy on top of already looking scummy for suggesting it in the first place AND now you think you should be town read for suggesting it?

Nah. I don’t town read that behavior.

[Chumba]

We haven't exactly done a bangup job of scumhunting.

How did you determine that I was scum trying to look town as opposed to town doing the correct town thing here?

I don’t believe mass claiming is the correct town thing though.

[Chumba]

but I do. Your saying that I can't believe that as town?

Yes you as town can absolutely believe that. But you as town can’t think somebody is scum for not believing what you believe in and that’s what you did.

I don’t think you as town would do that. You as scum could be that manipulative.

[Chumba]

I actually do think it’s impossible except for maybe rc or boon.

Scum care too much about appearances. They don’t want to stand out like that knowing it will ultimately backfire.

[Chumba]

(I'm leaning osuka, Joda and maybe HWS)

like I'm not calling him scum but he's all up in my grill about me calling him scum when I'm not.

That really wasn’t the main point of my argument, but you basically did when you said I’m either scum or town playing against my win condition. You as town know that me not mass claiming isn’t playing against my win condition.

[Chumba]

I still really don't understand. You are voting me for calling you scum but I'm not so?

That’s not the reason I gave for voting you. Why are you misrepping me?

[Chumba]

You must be scum cause you keep saying me not claiming is playing against my win condition when it actually isn’t.

This is why I voted you. After I said this, you did it again thus scum claiming.

[Chumba]

You did call me scum though.

[Chumba]

Because somebody not claiming isn’t playing against their win condition. It’s irrational for anyone to think that.

You could think I’m scummy for not claiming but playing against my win condition is an outright lie.

[Chumba]

Jo and Chumba are holding up the mass claim b/c either they are scum or Chumba is playing against his wincon to stick to this "I don't like to mass claim" meta

If you are town I think it is. If you are scum then it is not. True.

Since I’m not playing against my win condition your alternative is I’m scum.

[Chumba]

You could think I’m scummy for not claiming but playing against my win condition is an outright lie.

Whats the difference between calling an action scummy and thinking said comes from a not town wincon?

Because I understand it if somebody thinks I’m scummy for it. I’m ok with that. Saying it’s playing against towns win condition is a lie. There is no rule anywhere that says a player is deemed to be playing against their win condition if they don’t mass claim.

[Chumba]

I can't think you are just bad town?

Yes but you didn’t give that option

[Chumba]

I can't think you are just bad town?

Yes but you didn’t give that option

I didn't? b/c I'm pretty sure I did when I listed Joda, Osuka and HWS as my top 3.

But then you said I’m playing against my win condition or scum. I’m not either.

You are scummy to me for even suggesting it once yet you did it again after I corrected you. So if you are town choose your accusations better especially against me who’s a stubborn sob.

I now think you are scum and you sealed it by the fact you don’t seem to care about my vote on you and you trying to say you suggesting massclaim makes you townie.

But remember, I’ve already marked this as a loss based on how havo played. Tchill also but definitely havo. Oh and the dude day 1 who wanted everyone to claim. He fucked shit also.

I made mistakes myself I get that, but being wrong and tunneling town who basically manipulated ethos post, ignored giant explanations and lied about me was something I honestly couldn’t see coming from town.

Add in he wasn’t doing what he wanted other players to do.

Like damn havo.

[Chumba]

I'm pretty sure this is just Rob whining over me not liking his play. Could fool me though.

No it’s me thinking your thought process makes no sense from town.

If you honestly think I’m town you’d be worried scum will hammer you and we lose. You aren’t worried about that. You haven’t even asked me to unvote.

[Chumba]

But my logic doesn’t fail to stack up. Why would you say not claiming is playing against my win condition when it isn’t?

That logic is what’s failing to stack up.

[Chumba]

But what is this "you just did something something so incredibly scummy"?

The win condition thing... like literally what we’ve been taking about.

read. I'm more challenging you on your suggestion that scum would call for a mass claim. And why?

You are smart enough and experienced enough to know this game is about manipulation. You also know scum aren’t going to win in lylo by lurking. Your contribution haven’t been that great and now you want to come and control things. Then you say anyone not complying is playing against their win condition which is complete bs

[Chumba]

Why would you say not claiming is playing against my win condition when it isn’t?

ok its not but hey guess what.

I CAN HAVE MY OWN FUCKING OPINION.

Yes and I can have my own also.

[Chumba]

Ok thanks for your opinion

[Chumba]

Ok thanks for your opinion

[Chumba]

night 2 osuka visited chumba

So why didn’t you do anything with this info? Or attempt to figure out if he was scum or town pr?

Why did you instead vote me?

Why didn’t you do anything at all the entire game?

[Chumba]

You did nothing. You didn’t even try to sort osuka/myself when you had info that could help town.

There are low key ways to figure out things. For starters asking us questions about reads or whatever instead you drop a shitty vote on me and keep lurking.

[Chumba]

UNVOTE:

[Chumba]

I have no issues with it. Claimed doctor =/= actual doctor

[Chumba]

Right but you are acting like there is something wrong with what he did when if anything he’s right.

Are you sure the people you voted are scum?

[Chumba]

uh... there has only been 1 doctor claim and no doctor flips

[Chumba]

i'm confused clearly

[Chumba]

I think you are misreading

[Chumba]

Well that’s not entirely true.

[Chumba]

Doing some research at past games. Sadly I’m inclined to believe schadd’s claim. I guess he’s one of those players who thinks just cause he’s a Pr he doesn’t have to play.

Osuka/Nero/joda is probably the team. Hws could be scum if joda isn’t.

[Chumba]

Well you are scum
Osuka is looking like scum

One left.

[Chumba]

If I'm scum you die tonight.

(the kicker is scum won't kill you to frame me b/c they need you to mislynch town.)

You are going to kill chick if she’s legit

[Chumba]

I did explain why scum would call for that. It’s to appear townie. You trying to say you doing that makes you the most townie or whatever you said proves my point. If you were town you wouldn’t have to point to things that make you look town

[Chumba]

It’s like when scum claim they are town cause they got the game out of rvs. Town doesn’t need to say shit makes them town.

[Chumba]

I am legit the only person doing anything this day phase.

That’s how I perceive this post. Btw I disagree with that assertion because you just came in asking for massclaim.

I actually went back and looked at VCs, who the people NKd were scum reading and reading ISO’s and came up with my scum list. I just didn’t brag about it cause it’s nobody’s business. If you are town I’m pretty sure you didn’t do that. If you did you wouldn’t need to rely on mass claiming

[Chumba]

And trying to look town isn’t weak. That’s what majority of scum usually do. This game is an anomaly as your partners were just content on lurking.

[Chumba]

I’ve played with scum who’s done things that don’t make sense so I’m not naive to just accept everything. I guess you can say I’m broken but when I see scum hard bus both partners and win, or bus their partner in lylo and win or fake claim a guilty on their partner and win I’m skeptical of everything.

Let’s say you are scum like I think. You can coast to victory on this move. Nobody else is going to suspect you and you have now outed all
The PRs.

Tracker isn’t going to track you. Doctor is dead. Tracker is dead if we somehow lynch your partner tomorrow and you are golden.

[Chumba]

That’s all you got osuka?

[Chumba]

VOTE: osuka

[Chumba]

UNVOTE:

this is by far the weirdest reaction I have ever seen from somebody who is at L-1 and is supposedly caught by a tracker.

my curiosity wants me to see what he has to say. If he doesn't post by the time I leave work, I will re-vote him.

[Chumba]

and schadd not voting osuka is also weird.

this entire game has been weird. Like I said way back day 1, this is certainly not a perfectly normal day

[Chumba]

I did find a game with 2 masons and no PRs but that was 2017 and almost every other game had a Pr. Osuka doesn’t react like scum with a “guilty” on him.

Idk what to make of it.

[Chumba]

The only thing schadd has going for him is his claim. Seeing a game with no roles makes me now less likely to trust schadd’s claim.

No matter what I do people are going to blame me for the loss cause other people played like scum and I couldn’t get out of my tunneling but I’m going with my gut on this one.

I’m scum reading schadd over osuka now. Unless osuka is a fucking mafia pro, no scum acts like that.

So joda/schadd/Nero is where I’m at atm but I’m suspicious of everyone tbh. Nobody has played a good game. I get people want to blacklist me for playing bad but EVERYONE who is town this game has played like shit. Not just me.

I’ll let schadd have one last post and then I’m voting him.

[Chumba]

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=73108

[Chumba]

Why tho?

[Chumba]

Why are you posting once every couple of days?

[Chumba]

Wow good luck on med school and being a doctor. I could never do that shit. I pass out too easily.

[Chumba]

So what do you make of osuka’s reactions?

[Chumba]

i'd totally be down for a nero lynch if we can get others on board. I feel like he is using his experience in a manipulative way and I don't like how he was trying to earn town cred for mass claiming.

[Chumba]

it's really going to suck of schadd gets replaced.

[Chumba]

Yeah that’s a good point. Why joey?

Hey chick. Out your saves and reasons please.

I have some thoughts but want your response first.

[Chumba]

Damn what if this is that same setup and that 2 scum post by chick was actually a slip.

She knows 3 scum is common, or should.

[Chumba]

1. Souk?
2. lol

[Chumba]

Nero

[Chumba]

Schadd v osuka im going schadd scum.

He has absolutely no credibility and osuka handled that guilty like a champ.

[Chumba]

I unvoted you before I went to bed that day. Now I’m just waiting to see if anything meaningful gets posted and trying to analyze the little that gets posed.

[Chumba]

regardless of content? lmao

You’d have to have some amazing content. As I said I consider people’s play before lylo and I just can’t see how your play has been town.

I had you as most likely town when I thought town had to have an investigative but seeing as how it doesn’t I’m less likely to believe you now. Even now your posts are lots of words but doesn’t really say much.


@nero you are still way to cavalier to be town. Now you taunt me? If you are town it’s on you now. I’m not unvoting anymore

VOTE: Nero

[Chumba]

I’m guess I’m just really bad town. I believe osuka over lurk fuck schad but this game is full of really bad town. Everyone has played shit this game so I don’t feel so bad.

Your manipulative dig at me is noted btw. Trying to trick me into voting osuka when I said I town read him over schad and there is nothing to suggest he’s telling the truth.

[Chumba]

Sometimes I think you are just too paranoid for your own good.

This is probably an accurate statement.

But you have to admit that schadd hasn’t done anything and all of a sudden in lylo he has a guilty but doesn’t vote it.

You have chick who didn’t protect anyone twice and protected a really weird person once?

And you who doesn’t seem too worried that somebody who is town is voting them.

That said

Osuka play before today wasn’t great. Joda either.

I really have no clue who the fuck is scum.

[Chumba]

whatever. I am basically damned if I do, Damned if I don't. Everyone is going to blame me no matter what happens

VOTE: osuka

to all my haters

FUCK YOU, you didn't do any better

[Chumba]

so you scum right?

[Chumba]

so you scum right?

[Chumba]

I didn't ignore what you said, I read it. That didn't answer my question though.

[Chumba]

I guess we’ll see.

[Chumba]

well I feel you handled the guilty better than most. you clearly have experience

[Chumba]

Ok schadd. Hopefully you got something if not we can probably narrow it down. Going to look over osuka’s iso.

[Chumba]

You probably tracked me and if you did it’s cause you are stupid

Hopefully you tracked Nero cause looking over stuff he could have totally been distancing

[Chumba]

Why are you playing this silly game? Just out it

[Chumba]

Omg did you track me?

[Chumba]

Nah. That wouldn’t be mean. It would literally be the truth. I’m confirmed town.

[Chumba]

I’m a dick. That’s why people hate me. I play to win, not for friends. I don’t like little guessing games either.

You either have a guilty or you don’t. In a very unlikely but still possible scenario you’re scum.

I’d rather just skip the games and get to figuring out who the other scum are.

[Chumba]

...

[Chumba]

I didn’t shit on you at all actually. The insult only applies if you actually tracked me and I’m pretty sure everyone who’s dead or alive would agree with the general point of that statement. I don’t know how closely you’re paying attention to this game since you haven’t really been playing it.

And you aren’t confirmed town. Only I am.

You are most likely town but I wouldn’t put an elaborate bus past anyone since we’re still in the same situation. We lynch wrong and we lose.

I just want you to just out who you tracked instead of playing a guessing game.

[Chumba]

Anyway. I’m voting joda today so whenever we are ready just lmk.

[Chumba]

^ I’ll vote him also.

If you were paying attention you’d know how I’m conf town.

[Chumba]

I'm paying attention and afaik we don't have any role that conftowns you. Enlighten me.

Osuka claimed vt
Schad claimed tracker and tracked osuka to me
Osuka flipped mafia roleblocker

So no you aren’t paying attention

[Chumba]

This is only true if schadd is confirmed tracker. Which by your own admission he's not.

Disagree but whatever.

Who are the 2 remaining scum in your opinion and why.

[Chumba]

VOTE: joda

[Chumba]

make a case for nero scum for me.

[Chumba]

UNVOTE:

[Chumba]

like from your pov it's only 2 people. but from my pov it's 3 people. Just off effort alone, i'll feel less shitty if I vote wrong and let nero scum win because at least he's here posting and being active. right now you and hws have given up and to me that looks like scum giving up, not town

[Chumba]

then again, looks like schad has given up also so what do I know

[Chumba]

I played a game once where at the end of the day, the lowest 3-4 posters names were thrown into a hat and one was killed due to inactivity. That was such a glorious game.

[Chumba]

Thank you for that. I’ll look it over later.

[Chumba]

well whatever then

nero didn't visit anyone

Helpful

[Chumba]

No I don’t care that you tracked him. Your little guessing game where 2 players aren’t playing and you aren’t active yourself. It take a week to let it play out.

[Chumba]

I’m clueless since I can’t tell who’s scum and who’s bad town. Look at the history of bad town this game, myself included. At least my attempt to get havo lynched was looked at as a soft claim and they blocked me. This puts Joda on my list. He thought I softed when I wasn’t looking at his iso.

[Chumba]

when I push Osuka, he responds with 1528 and 1558.

this is probably the best part of your case. He was scum reading osuka but when there was a chance it could have happened, he was trying to change the subject

[Chumba]

The case on me is bullshit, don't fall for it Chumba.

I don't really like this response. why didn't you try to explain yourself?

I agree majority of it was bullshit except for the part I just quoted. walk me through why you abandoned osuka (your scum read) for resolving the 1 v1 ?

[Chumba]

One is scum. But which one

[Chumba]

I think I’m back to Nero scum. Ethos and tchill both were suspicious of him.

[Chumba]

Hws needs to commit to somebody with a vote. I don’t think schad or myself should vote until he does.

He needs a case and a vote. One or both of the clears should be hammering imo.

[Chumba]

Probably cause that wasn’t a good response. That’s twice now where I feel like you as town would react better. So I have to decide if I have a high expectation from you or you’re scum.

[Chumba]

Who’s a terrorist?

[Chumba]

It’s terrorism to expect better of people?

I find it interesting you are criticizing joda’s reaction when your reaction to me voting you yesterday made 0 sense to me and when I said something you get snarky with me.

If i use my own experiences. I’d only act like that if I knew I wasn’t going to get lynched. That means you are scum.

Now you have somebody make a case on you (crappy case but a case) and your reaction isn’t to really to try and defend yourself.

That’s twice where you don’t act like how a townie acts. I can only use my mind. And now you want to insult me for trying?

Here’s your terrorsim. If you’re town. Fuck you.

VOTE: nero

[Chumba]

So I guess we’ll see what we see

[Chumba]

If you’re town you did it to yourself.

You should know you don’t argue with “terrorists”

But your play doesn’t resemble town.

[Chumba]

I’m actually trusting my scum hunting. 2 people NKd were suspicious of you. Your actions don’t make sense as town. Your reaction to being voted today is how you should have acted yesterday.

The insult didn’t help but I was already leaning your way. I was waiting to see what hws was going to do first but I don’t really care.

I’m a terrorist remember?

[Chumba]

Arrrrrg. Mad terroist I am.



But seriously I thought you’ve been scum for a while. Just was torn on lurker townies. Trust my gut. No regrets

[Chumba]

Universally townread. Nobody was lynching him.

[Chumba]

It’s understandable given every single townie has played like shit this game except maybe ethos and joey. Nobody else played well myself included. No matter what I do people hate me so in the end I trust my scum hunting and I don’t negotiate with people who insult me.

[Chumba]

It’s not. But when i am examining evidence and I’m leaning scum on you and you react out of context of how a townie should act to me, it kind of helps me know I’m on the right track.

[Chumba]

Like if you are town, you basically threw the game cause you didn’t like me scum hunting you.

[Chumba]

What the fuck do you want me to do?

OH GOD IM GETTING VOTED, QUICK TAKE YOUR VOTE OFF!

Why are you doing this now but not yesterday?

[Chumba]

I don’t need to be coddled but when I make valid criticism about you, instead of defending yourself you insult me.

That’s twice you’ve refused to defend yourself.

You now act scared to be lynched but didn’t yesterday.

Hopefully if I’m wrong and you are town you accept responsibility for your own actions. I’ve already done that.

Good night. Hopefully I’m right and you’re actually scum. I’d hate to lose because you reacted poorly to pressure.

[Chumba]

Havo and Nero



I played terrible I admit but what y’all did was inexcusable imo and for the record Nero I consider what you did game throwing.

Thanks for nothing.

[Chumba]

I consider what you did game throwing.

DUDE! YOU voted me.

I thought you were scum. You didn’t really try to defend yourself and called me a terrorist. How can I not scum read that?

[Chumba]

careless LYLO play(voting too early).

Disagree. I was doing a lot of re-reading. I was fairly certain Nero was scum. His play just didn’t make much sense to me from town pov. I really wanted to see where hws was going to vote but ultimately I was going to vote Nero. The moment he called me a terroist I knew I was going to vote sooner. His reactions to a case being made on him or him being voted the day before didn’t look town. He didn’t look like he had something to lose when if he were town he absolutely did.

[Chumba]

I've already chalked this game up as a loss so might as well get on with it

for which faction?

Town

This makes like 0 sense from a town POV. We just lynched scum in Osuka and you think you've found both scum in me and HWS but you think town is gonna loose? What I think is that you and HWS feel defeated with 2 clears about with me being your ONLY mislynch option.

Chumba, then tell me: Why did you dismiss this post?

I didn’t. His response made zero sense I agree. But your response to me voting you yesterday made zero sense either.

So if he’s scum for that response. You are scum for your response.

[Chumba]

I relied on trying to figure out why people were killed (as I said 2 dead thought you were scum) i also looked at how you were behaving and your pushes. Avoiding pushing osuka when it mattered stood out. Not really wanting to defend yourself from joda’s reasons also stood out. I really had trouble finding anything protown from you. That said I couldn’t find anything protown from anyone alive.

What was I to do? You looked like scum on paper and instead of working through things you called me a fucking terroist.

[Chumba]

Oh my bad. Thought I was talking to Nero lol.


I didn’t think anyone was town. Nobody played townie. Nobody was obvious. Not even schadd who was most likely town.

[Chumba]

I played terrible I admit but what y’all did was inexcusable imo and for the record Nero I consider what you did game throwing.

Thanks for nothing.

The lack of self-awareness here is appalling from you btw, Chumba.

I was reading the whole game.

From an outside perspective.

It wasn't Havo.
It wasn't Nero.

It was YOU.

I don’t care about the opinion of a conceited person who thinks she’s gods gift to mafia when she isn’t and I certainly didn’t ask for it.

This game is hard. I did the best I can with what I had to deal with. I’m not sorry that I expect more from town and if I don’t get that I see them as scum. What havo and Nero did were inexcusable as town.

Y’all want to blame me fine but nobody played good this game.

[Chumba]

I singlehandly lost the game. I did spend hours researching stuff only to choose wrong.

I’m Sorry

[Chumba]

Chumba is one of the worst players on mafiascum- him and one other person are competing for THE worst

Sorry. You won that award a long time ago.

[Chumba]

I’m an asshole sure but I try. I was the only one to try in lylo. Wasted hours of time researching posts and reading things. Nobody else put in that effort yet I still man’d up and took some responsibility.

You don’t have to be a nice guy to play mafia. You do have to try hard and do your best which is what I always do.

[Chumba]

Nero. From your POV it was just 2 people.

From mine it was 3.

You didn’t even try to defend yourself from joda’s case. That’s effort I was looking for. He at least made a case even if it was crappy. I expected you to respond so I could analyze it.

Everyone in the dead thread who said it’s a slam dunk nero town. Bullshit. I’ve been in the same position and being in the dead thread having others to bounce ideas off of helps. I didn’t have that luxury. Nero wasn’t obv town and I explained why.

I made an informed decision and chose wrong. I accept that and took responsibility for it.

@havo. Please don’t lie going forward. Also don’t mention ongoing games when you respond to an unrelated message. I had to sit there and wonder if you were trying to influence me intentionally.

[Chumba]

alignement is not about “what town should do and shouldn’t”, it’s about “they do this, but isnit scum motivated or toen motivated”

Thank you for this, this is the only piece of advice that people keep giving me, and I made comments in the dead thread, specifically on this actually.

if you or anyone else wants to cover the town motivation in havo's actions, i'm all ears. I'd love to see somebody explain why it's ok to intentionally misrep another player.

[Chumba]

Hey scum was I killed because it was super obvious I was the other Mason?

Per the mafia thread. Yes

[Chumba]

@joey. Who is your other account?