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[bob3141]

VOTE: Garmr

lets see see if i can make it 6 games that I correctly read you in row

4 town and one scum. I feel the ball will land on red this time

[bob3141]

He can still say he “scum reads” rabid and chainsaw defend him. He never really provided much reason to explain why he scum reads rabid, instead focusing more on me and every reason he’s given for me has been a lie.

So what makes you believe for sure he couldnt simply be a townie simply being wrong.

[bob3141]

Lynchbait can roll scum too u know.
But what makes you think he's lynchbait?

chk if you think he is lynch bait then what do you think of those voting him. What about kage makes you think he is town. Do you think he is town?



luna if you think kage is scum do you have any feelings on the motivation of those players either pushign as scum or town.

[bob3141]

mm im starting to get teh same feeling from rick that i got during day one of the 21 player game where he end gamed as scum. Though could just be caused by his avatar

[bob3141]

Non/garmr probably not S/S, but I'm feeling no townyness with their reactions to the kage wagon. Bob straight up ignoring everything also initiates :raise eyebrows:. flip also giving off weird IIoA vibes. He's present and weighing in and saying nothing.

Jake sounds town so far, puppy might be town if the specific thing pans out the right way. LF feels town. N_M very town.

NC is an enigma wrapped in a fantasy baseball league, imo, so I'm straight up ignoring attempting to read there.

I don't think I have enough to even get a feeling on anyone else.

you mention my questions from yeserday but what do you think of luna answer.

My gut intial feeling is that luna is town. Her response felt geuine.

Why do you think it would be odd that i would want to look at teh kage wagon. Why do you think there is not value in weighing in to see if a) if kage was scum or town. b) are those votign him scum or town

[bob3141]

VOTE: clidd

why do you scum read clidd

[bob3141]

Don't really like how CHK didn't vote RD until I started fussing @ him for being useless. Why in the world no one else scum reads that is beyond me.

If it helps, I think his vote on me is bad, and not just because it’s me.

Idk if it’s scum indicative, though. He doesn’t care if he’s seen as scummy as town.

What about makes you feel that his vote is bad?

[bob3141]

Yes, Bingle. You should be able to look at a slot that consists of two blank votes and a one liner outside of RVS and come to a conclusion on your own.

Rabid, you misunderstand. I'm not neighbor voting today.

If someone in the neighbourhood is scum then Chkflip would have a scum motive for putting off voting in the neighbourhood.

Not sure what your saying. Are you saying that if scum was in the neigbhourhood and it was chkflip then he would have motivation to lynch outside


@chkp can you decribe the reads your neighbourhood has on each other. are you town read, scum reading each other. Is there any sense of anyone trying to influence other players reads

[bob3141]

u get banned alot guy

This site doesn’t violate the attacker, they ban the attacked for snapping back.

You need to learn to just let things go. It always makes things worse and just escalates things

Even if you think your in right its still better to just do the equivalent of just leaving the room

[bob3141]

I didn't really read what Rabid was doing as setting up lynches, but if that's the case and we have to lynch out of the hood I'd go there. Still think it's suboptimal play today.

Meanwhile, Non is still just floating along.

I think thats how he plays all games. Last game i played with him before he got replaced after being prodded thats all he did. an occassional vote.

[bob3141]

mm at the moment im betting

flav and garmr are scum. will need to look closer at this game as ive struggled to get into to it

either taht or flav want us to think he is partnered with garmr

i smell oil

[bob3141]

mm at the moment im betting

flav and garmr are scum. will need to look closer at this game as ive struggled to get into to it

either taht or flav want us to think he is partnered with garmr

i smell oil

Bobs confirmed scum then, He's normally right on me so him to scum read me while i'm town makes him scum.

im only right on you in the end.

every time ive correctly town read you atleast once ive toyed with you being scum.

But generaly rick is reminding me of his play in luv game. Not sure if he is faking associations with you or he is your partner

[bob3141]

I really wasnt in the game the last day phase. I was a little burnt out from prior game when this one started.

[bob3141]

VOTE: Bob

Bob kinda coasted day 1 and normally his proactive. His posts aren't pokey like they would be while town their more accusationary. It's hard to explain but there's no build up or interaction.

but what makes you think you have never played with me like this before. Dont you feel my cryus game opening was very similar

[bob3141]

TRQ what do you think the mood around chkflip lynch was like around the end of the day.

How many players do you think scum read him

The mood of a group can be telling.

[bob3141]

VOTE: Trq

VOTE: trq

Why her over any one else voting for chkflip?

[bob3141]

wasnt not mafia the hammer

[bob3141]

i think notmafia vote and trq are the wrong way round in the vote count then.

as i see trq vote about 676 and not mafias 700 ish

[bob3141]

luna, robb, garmr, binge, rapid, trq, not mafia

so far thats the order of votes i found. back to when luna vote was cast

[bob3141]

who was teh 7th vote as the vc has nero as the first but i cant see it in his iso

[bob3141]

chkflip was never actualy hammered by the looks of it

[bob3141]

lol didnt count teh names. lol

[bob3141]

i see it now. was loking for vote tags.

so yep tq was the hammer

[bob3141]

was hengflop chkflip

[bob3141]

TRQ what do you think the mood around chkflip lynch was like around the end of the day.

How many players do you think scum read him

The mood of a group can be telling.

three or four, and since a lot of the game was inactive that seemed like half of the game to me. the neighbors i thought of as confirmed were included. rabid also said this lynch would give us additional information, and his other lynches weren't gaining momentum.

He wasnt quoting his role PM, he was typing words that are a town wincondition whether they really are or not (They are!), abusing the fact that the mod didnt put a sample role PM and scum wouldn't be able to know how the town wincon was worded.
Admiteddly, yes, that's a really dirty way to get town read, but if you were town, you wouldn't have lynched someone that has shared information that only town supposedly know.
At worst he could be scum with a sample town role PM in his PT, but that would be another option to explore. I understand that you may be concerned about the rules, but if you thought a modkill was coming for him due to the wincon posting why not stop yourself from voting? A hammer or a modkill on town end in the same result anyway and the later needs to go through listmods anyway, and if it wasnt against the rules then the mod wouldn't have intervened and we'd have a conf town due to a mod error. Doesnt sound like a towny mindset for me still.

i guess i don't understand what "quoting his role PM" means since that's a direct quote from my role pm minus the pronoun. i thought the modkill was only coming if he was town, which as i said before i didn't fully consider and thought he was scum for it.

Chkflip (7) Nero Cain, Luna Fox, Robbnva, Garmr, Bingle, Not_Mafia, team rocket queen
Nero Cain (1) Rabid Schnauzer
Garmr (1) Bob3141
Non Lmh (1) chkflip
Not Voting (3) Clidd, Chemist1422, Rick Dalton

That’s Hammer!

Mod Note: Clidd Requests Replacement.

No

i think this vote count is wrong because rabid voted chkflip that morning before me.

So your sayign when you hammered you didnt see anyone lese who wanted to vote chkflip

[bob3141]

To any towny that claim would mark chkflip as sure town. So why the vote TRQ, did you think he was a pr

If you had a town role message you would know what marked it as town. Where scum you wouldnt

[bob3141]

Doesn’t matter who the hammer was really but trq seeing the post and voting is bad. I say that’s a scum claim

how would i not see it? it shows you any posts that happened while you were typing?

So your sayign when you hammered you didnt see anyone lese who wanted to vote chkflip

i saw the people voting for chkflip, and i saw luna robb and rabid and saying it'd give us additional information. bingle went onto chkflip and clidd seemed opposed to it and voted rabid, then rabid voted clidd and then chkflip.

To any towny that claim would mark chkflip as sure town. So why the vote TRQ, did you think he was a pr

in retrospect i think i just really wanted to hammer mafia in my first game.

So what struck out to you that chkflip was sure scum when you hammered him?

[bob3141]

So what struck out to you that chkflip was sure scum when you hammered him?

is this intentional?

i saw that rabid had voted on chkflip while i was working on my post, so i was adding an intent to hammer paragraph (which basically would have said that i thought bingle, not mafia and rabid were town thus 3/9 to hit mafia by lynching, plus at least 4 of the people voting on chkflip had to be town, which has to be weighted towards greater than random, making it at least 40% to hit), but when i refreshed the thread i saw this:

In post 675, chkflip wrote:
I win if all threats to the town are eliminated and at least one town-aligned player is alive.


which i thought was basically a self-vote/scum claim because if they were town they'd be modkilled for quoting their role pm. so i deleted the paragraph, added my vote, and hit submit.

Thats not reason to hammer him. If he was to be mod killed then it would mean he was town. If he wasnt town then he wouldnt be modkilled

Im asking you waht about his play made you think he was scum?

[bob3141]

And the first bit if your town just means that atleast 4 players on day one wagon have to be town. This does not mean there right. You have occasionally have all town mislynches. And often only 1 of 7 migth only be scum

[bob3141]

Thats not reason to hammer him. If he was to be mod killed then it would mean he was town. If he wasnt town then he wouldnt be modkilled

Im asking you waht about his play made you think he was scum?

i thought he wouldn't want to be modkilled because then he'd be banned and was therefore scum. it made my 40% feel like a 100%. checking the banlist now shows that the last 4 people banned were all involved in this game though, so maybe this isn't a concern.

So your saying that you thought he wouldnt have made such a post if he was town. And that you hammer was just based on the fact taht you didnt think he would risk being banned.

Did you think any part of his wincon claim was fake.


So that why you said you didnt do intent instead. But give us your reason for thinking chkflip was scum before that post?

[bob3141]

in what currency.

Also do you want it to cover any dry cleaning

[bob3141]

I’m a weak visitor.

Targeted TRQ last night. I’m alive

Just means that if your town you simply think he is town.

[bob3141]

You literally just said you’d fake claim and then make a claim to save confirmed scum.

If rick is scum then he is simply playing to some of his town meta.

If he think a player is town town as town. Then he has before fake claimed to try and avoid their lynch.

[bob3141]

My gut is telling me that rocket is likely town. Though his answers to my questions will be telling

[bob3141]

Nero Cain, Luna Fox, Robbnva, Garmr, Bingle, Not_Mafia,

2 scum in here likely.

@Bingle - if you’re town, I require your assistance.

I’m townreading most of that list, but moderately intrigued. Please, tell me more.

So what your saying is that you think chkflip lynch was all or town or mostly town. In that case who on the wagon do you think is scum and how mnay do you think are on it? And why that number?

As i dont get why you would think that wagon was towny. And it certainly is easy to say you town read allot of the wagon as after all at most three can be scum. So if your scum you can honestly say you town read 4 out 7. Pushing lynch off teh wagon and kill those off wagon. Before turning on your former fellow wagoniers

[bob3141]

My gut instinct at the moment is that scum are more likely to try and white knight trq than actualy push for his lynch

[bob3141]

I’m saying that I independently read LF NC Robb and myself as town, which would leave two potential scum on that wagon, and am interested in reasons that it would necessarily be a scum driven wagon.

Also, the argument that trq is confscum for the hammer because clidd should have been conftown is pretty baffling, tbh. Like, there’s reasons to scumread trq, but that one is pretty dogthoughtsy.

So do you sucm read any of those remaining an why? Also do you scum read anyoen off wagon?


As you avoided answering by question. How scum do you think the wagon was?

Is there reason you would scum read any of them on it. All you said is that you town read yourself and 3 others. But not gone into what you think of the others and their motivation for the wagon.

If you think scum avoided the wagon. Then what do you think the reason was?

[bob3141]

That’s sort of why I scum read boon. Anyone arguing Trq is town is delusional imo

There is reason i feel he is town with his hammer. Dont want to say it as it very much depends on his reply.

But so far believe that flav is writing as he "joked" in his private what trq should do. Only i think trq isnt one of the two in it with him

[bob3141]

I’m saying that I independently read LF NC Robb and myself as town, which would leave two potential scum on that wagon, and am interested in reasons that it would necessarily be a scum driven wagon.

Also, the argument that trq is confscum for the hammer because clidd should have been conftown is pretty baffling, tbh. Like, there’s reasons to scumread trq, but that one is pretty dogthoughtsy.

So do you sucm read any of those remaining an why? Also do you scum read anyoen off wagon?


As you avoided answering by question. How scum do you think the wagon was?

Is there reason you would scum read any of them on it. All you said is that you town read yourself and 3 others. But not gone into what you think of the others and their motivation for the wagon.

If you think scum avoided the wagon. Then what do you think the reason was?

I’m confused as to why you think I’d answer any of those questions while waiting for boon to elaborate on why he thinks the majority of the scumteam was on wagon.

Im asking what you think of the wagon? Do you think it was scum heavy or all town

Personally i think Flav tacked away from the lynch once he saw it was sure thing. Just whether him pushign the wagon as scum heavy is bluff or double bluff

[bob3141]

I have one of the strongest town games, and I am currently on fire. The game you replaced out of? Yeah, I lead wagons on all 3 scum that game, and I still got to mislynch your slot.

Only one really. The second you only pushed as pine simply wasnt posting. Your words were in effect i really want auro as i cant see how he isnt scum. But atleast auro is playing the game. You might of had pine in your poe but you never pushed that wagon hard


And mine you hammered pretty much saying i was going to flip town and you were looking forward to 3p. Even twice during the game your hard pushed me as town. When lynching clear town insomnia and ank. You onyl actualy hard scum read me for grand total of 24 hours

[bob3141]

binge why do you think its a good idea for mass claim next day phase? How many players have claime pr so far?

Or will you refuse to answer these questions as well

[bob3141]

garmr can you explain your progression on your chkflip read? As you activity around that slot and its lynch looks nothing like your town games

[bob3141]

For now i think we should not take into account teh TRQ hammering even with teh same win con. A player that has played more games would know that wasnt stand and scum wouldnt be able to word it that way. But if TRQ is a new player with only 2 games he might not know. And think that win con is more standard. Thus he might have thought scum woudl easily guess that. Equally being a scum who is banking on that.

checking that TRQ isnt an alt.

[bob3141]

Could someone who thinks LF might be scum tell me a why there when they get a chance?

What do you think of flav?

[bob3141]

Do yoy town read him or scum read him yourself bing? And what lead you to that conclusions.

Your question implies you think flav is town and yet at the same time lacks any stance on him.

[bob3141]

I’m saying that I independently read LF NC Robb and myself as town, which would leave two potential scum on that wagon, and am interested in reasons that it would necessarily be a scum driven wagon.

Also, the argument that trq is confscum for the hammer because clidd should have been conftown is pretty baffling, tbh. Like, there’s reasons to scumread trq, but that one is pretty dogthoughtsy.

So do you sucm read any of those remaining an why? Also do you scum read anyoen off wagon?


As you avoided answering by question. How scum do you think the wagon was?

Is there reason you would scum read any of them on it. All you said is that you town read yourself and 3 others. But not gone into what you think of the others and their motivation for the wagon.

If you think scum avoided the wagon. Then what do you think the reason was?

I’m confused as to why you think I’d answer any of those questions while waiting for boon to elaborate on why he thinks the majority of the scumteam was on wagon.

I see you still have not yet explained why you think the wagon on chkflip was mostly town. Nor how mnay scum you think are on or off it. And whay you think that would be so.


You provide a list of names. I asssume top is you top town read and bottom your scum reads. With easy mislynch at the bottom TQR. A player who by the looks of it hasnt completed any games yet.

Then my me with that same post having a vote for me. Yet you have not explained it and seems to follow me pushing as to way you think that teh day oen wagon was all town. And your refusal to answe any questions.

Then you push for a mass claim after only half a town pr has been flipped. So seems your trying to smoke out teh reamining ones. I cant see why any one otehr than scum would push for scum a thign at this time.

chkflip was clearly a negative utility role either for town or scum. A prior game used them to give false positives for the town tracker. We have flav who fake claims every game.


VOTE: Bing

Dont see how this flipps anythign else but scum

[bob3141]

your reasons for why Bob isn't scum are shit.

While you have no reason at all

[bob3141]

I feel like every game I play with bob people want to lynch him.

Im a reliable solver so scum always has incentive to lynch me.

Take garmr for instance if he is scum then he will be thinking bob will solve onto me so its better to lycnh him and remove that vote. While town garmr will be thinking he says he is scum so he must be scum.

See how garmr has put no case together against me. Its just him saying its not him its me.

And garmr knows i dont coast as scum. The only time he has played with me before were i could of been said to have coasted. So the game where he was scum and i was town. And i had gut feeling he was scum and just sat there. So he pushed my lynch in return. At teh time i was scum reading both him and his partner. While town reading his intial intended lynch and infact blocking that lynch from happening.

[bob3141]

hile town garmr will be thinking he says he thinks im scum so he must be scum.

correction

[bob3141]

garmr can you explain your progression on your chkflip read? As you activity around that slot and its lynch looks nothing like your town games

I null read chk I was just seeing reactions if I put them at L-1 from Chkflip ect but nothing really happened and I didn't really give a fuck if they lived or died since .

I cant see town you doing that. You can get a bit impatient as the game goes on but not day one. But not this early


Other things you find hard to do as town is let go of a push. When you think a player is scum as town you tend to be very tenacious with tendancy to not town read them until your satisfied. You might change your read but not after allot of posts have been exchanged.

Scum you simply inst invested in your pushes as much so you let much quicker.


Take your push on bing in post 278. You dropped almost straight away. You had one more post that was rather weak. By weak i mean no bite to it. More like you were playing with your food than hunting for scum.

Then staright away you were after me and chkflip. Town you migth have gone after me and chkflip but you wouldnt of let go of bing so easy.

[bob3141]

i didnt say i thought you were testign the waters with. I said it looked like it was for show. Im not good at analogies.


But i will say this game you do appear to be allot less invested than any other game i have played with you before.

[bob3141]

if you are town your lack of investment then is messing up my meta read of you then