Nice work, town. That was an interesting game, although town got a bit messed up with the Davsto shot and Octopus being attacked you managed to recover pretty well. I'll also be sure to learn from my mistakes and not do what I did on d1 again.
I think Mafia really messed up by leaving a confirmed town Davsto alive.
Yeah, I think as scum, I would of killed him N2. I think it's always good to do a little bit of WIFOM with NK's as scum. Because basically they were killing everyone who was suspicious of them and leaving those alive who where not.
This pretty much cleared grayfoxxxx and also made Mario look bad after Performer flip plus failed Octopus NK.
I usually try really hard as scum to give reads on my partners exactly as I would any other player and exactly as I would as town. His townread/defense of Performer was a little off to me as I had her as scummy.
But hey, I still think he did a great job of looking town until the Performer flip.
I was so excited to give my guilty which is why I was soooooo pissed off when the day ended before I could do that.
Looking back on it though, that was really for the best because I could clear Wanderer and also PoE out the rest of the scum.
Thanks for quickly killing absta at the end there guys and not messing around.
Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.
Yeah I would of killed Davsto immediately after the night phase.
It confirms Davsto because he shot, plus there was still a Mafia kill. So as the JK you know you didn't RB the Mafia. Though in the same context, the Mafia team could of played that off as that the RB didn't RB the Mafia who made the actual kill. Davsto's claim could of been CC'ed to be fake.
Also, absta was very town most of the game. I don't think I ever would of suspected him if I didn't have that guilty on Mario and town clear on Wanderer. Because then I was able to look at voting patterns/NK's and see that grayfoxxxx and All alone were unlikely scum.
As far as being too many PR's for town, I can see that being a complaint if the game was won by PR's set up breaking or something, but here it was just unlucky the way it wall played out. I mean the vig kill didn't go through on grayfoxxxx, octupus was jailed-bad NK choice BTW, and Wanderer-who is a tough mislynch-was town cleared as well. Plus, Davsto who probably would of been mislynched, was a PR and super town by the way he outed. Then, I didn't really have to out my result or myself to save him.
It's not fun being caught by a PR as scum, but tons of fun catching scum as a PR. This makes up for my first newbie where I was town tracker and had a guilty and was shot before I could out it. Major bummer that was.
pedit: Yeah, there's some different ways the Davsto claim could of been handled by scum. I'm pretty sure, even if I didn't have that town result on him, just like CDB who I was already townreading, I would of townread him off the way he claimed.
Town PR's are eager beavers when they think they can catch scum and don't hold back at all. That's a pretty strong towntell in my experience so far.
Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.
Indeed, it would of been pretty Aidsy had you been killed after that quick day then flipped as Cop.
I am not lying when I said I would of thrown a fit. LOL
Also, after reading the normal review I actually totally understand why this is balanced. It's because it was 12 players instead of 13. That totally makes sense now.
Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.
Yeah, had I added one more the setup would of been a little different.
Another thing about Davsto is that if you kill him after his claim, you know he already wasted his shot. I know a mafia had PM'ed me asking hypothetically if the vigi kept their shot, but I refused to answer the question cause it gives too much information away. Either way, if you think the vigi still has a shot you kill him.
Yep, Davsto played it very well when he tried to draw the NK by hinting he lied about his shots to keep the kill of CDB. It didn't work but it was a good play. Smart vigs will never say their shots. It's WIFOM for the scum to really not say ANYTHING about what a PR is going to do at night once they have been outed. It's much better to keep them guessing.
Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.
In post 790, SilverWolf wrote:Yep, Davsto played it very well when he tried to draw the NK by hinting he lied about his shots to keep the kill of CDB. It didn't work but it was a good play. Smart vigs will never say their shots. It's WIFOM for the scum to really not say ANYTHING about what a PR is going to do at night once they have been outed. It's much better to keep them guessing.
dear princess celestia, sometimes it can be hard for a shy pony like me to stand up for myself, and when i first tried it, i didn't like the pony i became. but i've learned that standing up for yourself isn't the same as changing who you are. now i know how to put my hoof down without being unpleasant or mean
Well played everyone. Absta in particular - I was a bit iffy on you most of the game, but I don't think I'd have been convinced to lynch you if not for PoE.
Great work , all! Didn't expect you guys to win so fast. This is also why mafia faction is my least liked in FM LOL.
Davsto, EXCELLENT work on the fake-shot as 1-shot Vig. Your highly clever gambit, the lucky Oct protection by CDB, and SW making it into d3 as cop...all these contributed to the town win.
absta did great work looking town, Maria was a good goon partner to work with too. What's also interesting is I wanted to off SW in the beginning but Slandaar was brought up, so we killed him instead.
When d2 came and my end was imminent as a goon, I tried to create confusion with my last post, trying to distance from absta because the way us 3 played, it was clear to me he was most capable of finishing this game if we won.
If I hadn't checked back so soon, I wouldn't have known you wanted to get out the PT thread. I'm ok with that if Mario and absta are...
I’m an informed Miller who knows there isn’t any Loyal modifiers and there is a total of 4 scum.
-Morality
I'm easily the best person in the game at mechanics. I don't presume to be the best at anything else.
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