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[Keyser Söze]

DWL is Town and easy to lynch. Players voting DWL are therefore more likely to be Mafia.

UNVOTE: BBT
VOTE: Keyser

Why are you speaking in absolutes?

"DWL is Town"
DWL is "easy to lynch"
"Players voting DWL are therefore more likely to be Mafia"

I don't like this logic at all - it feels unnatural.

[Keyser Söze]

Vote: herrcombs

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He knows why.

Explain to me the motivation in posting this?

[Dwlee99]

96: I don't know if a couple of times is 'constantly'. I don't think I need to apply pressure on Myko because there's already a wagon formed on him. I need to apply pressure elsewhere including on the wagon itself because everyone's on it for one reason.
99: Myko already answered that iirc. Actually I think someone said "Myko thinks they are buddying me" and explained it.

[mykonian]

Also you should quit before you burn youself if there's a wagon between you and me your the one getting lynched.

This feels town.

no it doesn't.

Second time he posted he "always uses the word honestly" (my words) as well.

And I'd like to repeat my argument. There are 3 votes on me. Feli's is one I see all the time, tries to reason, bad conclusion. Happens. Herr's play is fine surrounding it. Garmr has mainly defensive posts and has only argued against me, tacks his vote on the wagon. Garmr is scum.

[mykonian]

oi soze. Time to have some results, buddy. Some questions there are only there to have questions.

[mykonian]

Should I go back to lurking or?

you are a born winner.

[Keyser Söze]

oi soze. Time to have some results, buddy. Some questions there are only there to have questions.

I would like answers to my questions.

[mykonian]

mykonian, did you answer my question (I did not understand the Garmr-"scumtell" observation"):

yes.

"so he was in effect defending me."

"trying to call someone town"

I did that from memory, didn't use exact quotes. Effect is the same, conclusions as well.

[mykonian]

so. Results?

[Keyser Söze]

"so he was in effect defending me."

"trying to call someone town"

I did that from memory, didn't use exact quotes. Effect is the same, conclusions as well.

You are just repeating yourself. Who is the "me", who is the "someone"...

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My original question:
"We were in RVS: who is the "someone" you think he called town/was trying to buddy up with/stepping in to protect?"

Result: Your original accusation sounded forced with no evidence to back it up.

[mykonian]

lolwut

I was just joking

but now that scumslip. This is actually interesting.

I'm clearly missing something. How is that a scum slip?

Honestly don't see anything scummy so far

Think he skipped implosions post.

[Dwlee99]

Keyser, the accusation wasn't forced at all.

[Keyser Söze]

lolwut

I was just joking

but now that scumslip. This is actually interesting.

I'm clearly missing something. How is that a scum slip?

Honestly don't see anything scummy so far

Think he skipped implosions post.

I understood

"Honestly don't see anything scummy so far"

as 'nothing on

this page

is out-right scummy so far', not 'that was not a scum-slip by herrcombs'.

If it was a geniune scum-slip by herrcombs (I am still uncomfortable with that exchange between Haschel Cedricson-herrcombs) do you think his scum-partner (Gamr) would jump in to defend herrcombs straight away?

[Keyser Söze]

Keyser, the accusation wasn't forced at all.

I think mykonian can defend himself...

[mykonian]

If it was a geniune scum-slip by herrcombs (I am still uncomfortable with that exchange between Haschel Cedricson-herrcombs) do you think his scum-partner (Gamr) would jump in to defend herrcombs straight away?

The keyword "honestly" is him stepping out of his role and coming with an opinion that he can see is true. So he comes from the mindset where he has to lie (as scum), then finds a situation where it isn't necessary. Herr's town and got falsely accused, garmr comments on it and shows his hand.

It would never work if herr's scum (since he'd be lying). They can't be buddies if the argument holds.


And even if you don't care about the motivation stuff, just look at garmr's overall posting. This is not the only passive post, the only aggression is pushing back against me. Garmr hasn't shown any initiative this game, has posted a couple of defensive posts.

[mykonian]

so soze. You are still sitting on a dwlee vote. This seems outdated. Not saying you should vote garmr. But at least vote hier then who more or less claimed scum with her reply.

[Keyser Söze]

It would never work if herr's scum (since he'd be lying). They can't be buddies if the argument holds.

Ok - this changes my perspective on your earlier comment. I thought you scum-read herrcombs through your reachy-comment: "now that scumslip. This is actually interesting."

Unsure if the use of "honestly" is scum-indicative.

Looking at Garmr's ISO, I wanted to flag one post he made:

Also you should quit before you burn youself

if there's a wagon between you and me your the one getting lynched.

Unsure if this scum-in-a-corner, or town - but it is both very defensive and a threat.

[mykonian]

I thought you scum-read herrcombs through your reachy-comment: "now that scumslip. This is actually interesting."

I did. That was page one. Stuff happened after that, I no longer do!

The "honestly" tell is ancient. From before my time. Depends a bit on the player and is probably not reliable on it's own. Did like it in combination with the buddying (also because they overlap). When I did post about it I had been planning to keep it in the back of my head to look at garmr for a while. But the game was too boring.

[Hieirama]

Should I go back to lurking or?

you are a born winner.

Heh.

I made that readlist, you're right, to contribute a little bit more than a one-liner. I'm not sure how that's scum-oriented?
I'm not being helpful if all my opinions are all jumbled in my head. So why not share it, even if it's minor?
This is the fastest pace game I've played in. I do hate missing the boat.

If I don't attack the wagon when are people gonna actually give more reasons for it than stretched reads? The wagon just allows scum to hide by joining under the same reasons as everyone else. I need more from people than "Reads are stretched" when joining a wagon. I could also sit here and argue that stretching reads can be town trying to figure out the game.

I think stretched reads are the best evidence people have at this point...

[mykonian]

I'm not sure how that's scum-oriented?

Some of them have more trouble to get into a game. For town it's pretty natural to just see the last post and talk about what you think of it. Scum have more considerations. Your post was decidedly not natural, it stands out.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Garmr already committed a scumtell trying to call someone town. There's no need for the word "honestly" there, it only makes sense from a point where scum is trying to think like town. The word "honestly" implies that he comes from a setting where he was prepared to lie this game, then found a situation where it wasn't necessary. Add to this that he's stepping in to protect someone from an accusation and that little sentence becomes quite damning. Buddying and at the same time showing off his mindset is scummy.

I actually quite like this - I don't think enough people pay attention to word usage/phrases when looking for scum.

Looks like a lot has happened already.
VOTE: mykonian
I just don't get a town vibe from you, myko - let me do a breakdown of your ISO:
8: instead of starting straight away with a RVS, you question the flavor in Keyser's. Not starting with RVS is weird, questioning something as insignificant as the reason for a RVS is weird too. Nothing read-worthy by this point, still.
12 and 16: that's your RVS. A bit convoluted and arbitrary, but hey, that's a RVS.
20: you admit to your vote originally being a joke. That's perfectly normal. But then, you say "lolwut is going on" is a scum slip from herrcombs? I just don't get it.
34: you provoke BBT about not following on your wagon. Now that's just weird: the reasons behind a RVS aren't the kind of thing worth questioning, and that's the second time you do it. Again, not alignment-indicative, but giving me a scum vibe.
37: everyone's favorite post! You answer Dwlee who was saying it was too early to have an actual read, by showing him an "actual" reason for a read - but first, the reasoning behind that read just doesn't hold together (this post has already been shot down for that by Dwlee, herrcombs, Keyser - nothing to add to what they already told), and second, if you actually read Garmr for that, why would you keep your vote on herrcombs? Your vote on herrcombs was originally based on a joke and an ethereal scumslip, so how would that be less scummy than an actual point?

Before anything else, I have a few questions for you: what was the point asking people about RVS? What was herrcombs's scum slip? And also, everything ever said about 37.

This is a bad post. Let's break down your read of mykonian;

8 - Nothing read-worthy. (Null)
12 and 16 - A bit convoluted and arbitrary but that's RVS (Null)
20 - You don't get his 'herrcombs scum slipped'. (Null)
34 - Not alignment indicative but giving you scum vibes (lol what?) (Null)
37 - OK, this one is a valid point as I asked the same thing - I didn't understand why mykonian hadn't voted Garmr when he had reasons to scum read him.

This post was a whole lot of words that really didn't say much - a busy post.

I'm watching you Felissan.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Dwlee is probably town. BBT is more weakly town. myko's 37 is sort of just a common phenomenon on this site. I've made pretty much an identical post before.

Hiei is very slightly scummy for their opening post and subsequent reaction, but it's pretty insignificant. I still need to read page 2 more closely because I have to go to class in 1 minute but for now I'm actually going to ask for this wagon:

Unvote

VOTE: Felissan
"I just don't get a townvibe from you" after a vote feels like appeasement + a psychological desire not to commit to the read. I haven't actually read the rest of the post. I will when I can.

Why did you choose Felissan over Hieirama? Also, why did you mention that Hiei is slightly scummy but it's 'insignifcant', if it's insignificant, why mention it?

I don't see how this matters.

You don't see how it matters that you have reasons for scum reading someone but would rather stick to your RVS vote?

Are you serious?

What is the basis for all these DWL townreads I'm seeing (BBT, implosion, Dierfire)? Could someone fill me in?

As annoying as it is, and it ruins my sig, it's based on meta. Look at Dwlee's posting in this newbie game - compare it to this game. They are worlds apart, he was awkward, couldn't scum hunt and none of his posting felt town at all. In fact, he was so bad at being scum that I started to think he was lost town.

This is town Dwlee.

honestly I use that word a lot it features in all my recent games. Also what's this bs about calling someone town. I said I don't see anything scummy yet. You seem like your reaching so have my vote.

VOTE: mycorana

He's reaching...on page 2? No way...

VOTE: Garmr

[Dwlee99]

Should I go back to lurking or?

you are a born winner.

Heh.

I made that readlist, you're right, to contribute a little bit more than a one-liner. I'm not sure how that's scum-oriented?
I'm not being helpful if all my opinions are all jumbled in my head. So why not share it, even if it's minor?
This is the fastest pace game I've played in. I do hate missing the boat.

If I don't attack the wagon when are people gonna actually give more reasons for it than stretched reads? The wagon just allows scum to hide by joining under the same reasons as everyone else. I need more from people than "Reads are stretched" when joining a wagon. I could also sit here and argue that stretching reads can be town trying to figure out the game.

I think stretched reads are the best evidence people have at this point...

My point exactly. It can be seen as trying to figure out the game so it's not that scummy, imo. That's why myko is null for me and I attacked the wagon.

Dwlee is probably town. BBT is more weakly town. myko's 37 is sort of just a common phenomenon on this site. I've made pretty much an identical post before.

Hiei is very slightly scummy for their opening post and subsequent reaction, but it's pretty insignificant. I still need to read page 2 more closely because I have to go to class in 1 minute but for now I'm actually going to ask for this wagon:

Unvote

VOTE: Felissan
"I just don't get a townvibe from you" after a vote feels like appeasement + a psychological desire not to commit to the read. I haven't actually read the rest of the post. I will when I can.

Why did you choose Felissan over Hieirama? Also, why did you mention that Hiei is slightly scummy but it's 'insignifcant', if it's insignificant, why mention it?

I don't see how this matters.

You don't see how it matters that you have reasons for scum reading someone but would rather stick to your RVS vote?

Are you serious?

What is the basis for all these DWL townreads I'm seeing (BBT, implosion, Dierfire)? Could someone fill me in?

As annoying as it is, and it ruins my sig, it's based on meta. Look at Dwlee's posting in this newbie game - compare it to this game. They are worlds apart, he was awkward, couldn't scum hunt and none of his posting felt town at all. In fact, he was so bad at being scum that I started to think he was lost town.

This is town Dwlee.

honestly I use that word a lot it features in all my recent games. Also what's this bs about calling someone town. I said I don't see anything scummy yet. You seem like your reaching so have my vote.

VOTE: mycorana

He's reaching...on page 2? No way...

VOTE: Garmr

I'm still ashamed about that. >.<

[pistachi0n]

VOTE: Garmr

Honestly don't see anything scummy so far

What was the point of saying this? Just to get it out there, I would be scumreading this even if the word "honestly" weren't included because that's a semantics thing. But chiming in RVS to say you don't see anything scummy when nobody prompted you is scummy.

Vote in 72 was OMGUS-y. And yeah, the case was reachy, but it's Page 2 so I'm not concerned about it. This argument happens every early Day 1--someone breaks RVS by making a reachy case, other people criticize it for being reachy, lots of arguing over whether or not it was reachy and whether or not that's okay for RVS, etc, etc, etc. And in this case I'm taking the side of the person who made the reachy case.

He hasn't posted a scumread based on anything other than OMGUS.

[Keyser Söze]

so soze. You are still sitting on a dwlee vote. This seems outdated. Not saying you should vote garmr.

But at least vote hier then who more or less claimed scum with her reply.

Scum-lean read on Hieirama.

By post 76, Hieirama posted an extensive positive/null/negative "vibes" list based on everyone's posts (reads based on posts <#67).

Why positive/negative "vibes" and a

running narrative

on events, why not call them town/scum reads? He only committed giving a "Slight Town-Lean" to herrcombs. Noted.

I'm still trying to comprehend what's going on… These quick reads and half-joking remarks are throwing me off.

I'll try anyway. No use for me if I just sit to the side.

"I'll try anyway. No use for me if I just sit to the side."

- I am uncomfortable with this soliloquy, feels like this reads/vibes list has been tough work for Hieirama to express (and has maybe been posted a little too early).

VOTE: Hieirama