IMO, "Garmr was manipulating Exp to stop attacking random townie Sakura" makes a lot less sense than "Garmr was manipulating Exp to stop attacking his scum-buddy Sakura". I mean, buddying is a thing so it's not a smoking gun, but I think Garmr's posts make more sense if Sakura/Riabi/Titus slot was his buddy than if anyone else was. I'd ask you guys to re-read stuff tomorrow and figure out if you agree or not. GL.In post 733, Expedience wrote:I think you were trying to manipulate me.In post 732, Garmr wrote:So can you actually make a point as to how I am scum?In post 727, Expedience wrote:VOTE: Garmr
I actually read the posts and it's just stuff like "if u were town u wld be more openminded!! where is town motivation??", and it's reachy and dumb.
I felt like Garmr was scum during n1 after Madonna was lynched from the way he was saying he would rather lynch Lowell based on not much, yet he still supported lynching Madonna (since it occured to me that both were probably town). And now like, I dunno, he sees an easier target (chilledtea) and suddenly drops his scumread on Lowell (who he had been tunneling all game)? To be completely fair I could see this coming from town, but it still makes me suspect him.
In 292 he reads Sakura, knightmare and I all as town and I remember it throwing me off a bit, but I think it should've been something that made me look more intently at him. I read the post again and he calls me town while saying that my push on Sakura is bad, even the way that he says it sounds really concilatory.
Disagreeing with a town read isn't scummy I do think your points on sakura were null and her overall behaviour reminded me of town at best you even ended up agreeing with me so wtf are you saying now you should have enough experience to know something so basic?
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In post 1146, Garmr wrote:If boon is scum I could see expedience being boons partner with the way he is pushing for sakura's lynch.
In post 1381, Garmr wrote:Ok then back
Deir is scum in my mind because of the way he handled boon. In post 1020 he suggest letting the claim sit and be examined latter then. Also I really don't like the fact he was one of the people willing to lynch sakura over boon in post 1020 If he was scum even through he would be losing a partner he would be removing a potential threat in the future and not be getting as much flack for trying to lynch another townie instead. He seems to be trying to subtly put the idea that boon may be town in sakura's head.
In post 1082, Dierfire wrote:@Sakura
I think that you should fully claim your role and explain your reaction to the claim by Boonskiies. It's not as though it gives the Mafia more information than lynching you would, and I'm trying to assess the chance that you're both Town here.
anyway on to the next post that catch's my attention
he continues to push here that we should be lynching sakura over boon but earlier he expressed that it's could be a town vs town this rubs me up the wrong way as he has shown no indication at this point that he thinks sakura is scumIn post 1112, Dierfire wrote:@Almost50I'm fairly certain that this is an error. If Sakura is Mafia, then she needs to be lynched anyway. If she is Town, then presumably she is being truthful with her claim, and lynching her takes Boon with her. We've an even number of players, so the extra lynch is a good thing.In post 1105, Almost50 wrote:I'm not buying this town!boon though, so I'm going to cast my vote on him regardless at the end of my read up (which should be 5-10 minutes from now).
The only reason not to vote Sakura is believing that both Sakura and Boon are Town.
EDIT: Do you have a source for the use of Vengeful as an explicitly Normal role?
Fuck in 1088 he says there's no good reason that sakura would be mafia and since his town reading boon skies why would he ever want to lynch sakura or boon in the first place. It doesn't make sense from a townie perspective. If he was town and he thought both boon and sakura were town then he wouldn't want sakura to be lynched at all and wipe out two potential power roles(yes i know boon flipped scum but we didn't know at this point he was scum only scum would know.)
I think after the vengeful claim he noticed chilled behavior and started to push on him to try and get a wagon onto him. In response to almost 50s counter claim he tries to doubt on it subtly (the bolded bit) cast doubt on it while also at the same time lecturing chilled. It's kinda feels like scum trying to lecture town.
In post 1237, Dierfire wrote:Why did you counter the claim, then?In post 1240, Dierfire wrote:In your initial response to Boon's claim that I quoted above, and in several of your responses recently,you seem to be saying that your plan was not to counter the claim because you thought that your role was more valuable concealed. Initially, your response was even to allow Boon to survive the day (in favor of lynching Garmr).What has changed since then that you absolutely needed to convince Expedience and mhsmith0 that Boon is Mafia now, today?
"Lynching or pressuring sakura is bad, we shouldn't do that". Honestly it seems like a somewhat common theme with Garmr this game. Does Garmr go this far to buddy town when he's mafia? I've very little experience with him; do others know the answer to that?In post 1392, Garmr wrote:But the whole point was you were town reading both why would you want both boon and sakura dead as town. Also if you thought that was a good idea to lynch two town reads why didn't you want to vote sakura. Is it because a vengeful town can only shoot what's on their wagon?In post 1391, Dierfire wrote:I disagree that the case on me is compelling!
I believe that my 1231 should address most of the issues. I wasn't voting for Sakura Hana and I wasn't saying that we should lynch her--I was saying that we should lynch herif we were having trouble deciding between her and Boonskiies, because lynching her would allow us to get both.
@Sakura HanaWhen I referred to the point about numbers, I meant that we wouldn't lose a lynch if one Town player and one Mafia player died. If we'd had an odd number of players, then a vengeful shot would have exhausted one of our lynches. It is true that I wasn't thinking ahead to the night phase in that hypothetical scenario, but I wasn't committing to that scenario anyway.In post 1390, Sakura Hana wrote:Dierfire One main question i have is why was numbers more important than keeping the ammount of townies and more importantly a potential PR (even tho it was a gambit) alive for scum to NK instead of getting rid of it together with boons.
