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Post Post #2100 (ISO) » Tue Jun 07, 2016 7:23 pm

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Thanks for modding, Ircher and Dier. I suggest changing the title from "Town Win" to "Game Over" to avoid immediately spoiling future readers.

I felt scum had a hard time deflecting suspicion starting Day 3 or 4 because town formed a nice, solid townbloc. When there's a group of 3-4 players, and no one can credibly entertain notions of any of them being scum, it makes the game a lot easier for town. (Unless one of them is scum, but a scum has to be really convincingly town to be in such a group.)

What was the rationale behind the scum not killing Rosh N3? Smith was on point wrt Titus, but it remains that Rosh was a PR who was widely townread. Perhaps they suspected the setup had a watcher?
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Post Post #2101 (ISO) » Tue Jun 07, 2016 7:38 pm

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I mean there
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Post Post #2102 (ISO) » Tue Jun 07, 2016 8:15 pm

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Indeed.
In post 2097, mhsmith0 wrote:I was also pleasantly surprised when i discovered the clumsy wagon was ALL town after my analysis. i figured odds were one was still on there, but it being zero after making that point was kinda nice :)
Also, the entire scumteam was on the Max wagon D2.
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Post Post #2103 (ISO) » Tue Jun 07, 2016 10:40 pm

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In post 2087, Froot Loop wrote:I'd need to have a re-read but I didn't feel that during the game. Why do you think so?
Cause I was so obv town. Like nothing about my actions or motivations could even remotely come from scum.
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Post Post #2104 (ISO) » Tue Jun 07, 2016 11:55 pm

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^it's that lack of empathy that makes it hard to play with you. Different people see different things in different words. You're biased toward yourself. Recognize that.
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Post Post #2105 (ISO) » Wed Jun 08, 2016 2:36 am

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Of course I'm biased towards myself but his arguments were fucking weak as shit. You have to look at motive and there was absolutely no scum motive in my actions. Plus like RC said (and I don't care if the mod's disagree). Once the mod stepped in we were both basically confirmed town.
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Post Post #2106 (ISO) » Wed Jun 08, 2016 4:56 am

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Rosh, at the time, was a townbeard.

Huntress had the right call in not having her do the kill. I figured that people would not do the whole scumread for being smart thing. As town, I would have STILL voted Huntress. :(
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Post Post #2107 (ISO) » Wed Jun 08, 2016 9:51 am

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Post Post #2108 (ISO) » Wed Jun 08, 2016 10:27 am

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Neat thread. Wondering what Bells had to say but I didn't read anything prior to my replacing so it probably doesn't matter.

Doc claim wasn't bad, Titus, but the actual roles in the game made a doc seem too farfetched
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Post Post #2109 (ISO) » Wed Jun 08, 2016 1:09 pm

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lol RC deleted everything.
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Post Post #2110 (ISO) » Wed Jun 08, 2016 1:54 pm

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In post 2105, Jake from State Farm wrote:Of course I'm biased towards myself but his arguments were fucking weak as shit. You have to look at motive and there was absolutely no scum motive in my actions. Plus like RC said (and I don't care if the mod's disagree). Once the mod stepped in we were both basically confirmed town.
I'm not going to look back and read and I can't remember exactly what was happening. This is a game where people make mistakes, there's no need for you to jump on me afterwards and criticize my play, especially by talking about it like this.
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Post Post #2111 (ISO) » Wed Jun 08, 2016 4:54 pm

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In post 2110, Froot Loop wrote:
In post 2105, Jake from State Farm wrote:Of course I'm biased towards myself but his arguments were fucking weak as shit. You have to look at motive and there was absolutely no scum motive in my actions. Plus like RC said (and I don't care if the mod's disagree). Once the mod stepped in we were both basically confirmed town.
I'm not going to look back and read and I can't remember exactly what was happening. This is a game where people make mistakes, there's no need for you to jump on me afterwards and criticize my play, especially by talking about it like this.
Just let him go and ignore him

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Post Post #2112 (ISO) » Wed Jun 08, 2016 6:12 pm

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@Loop: I'd say you struggled the first few days and played really well starting D4. You were wrong in your read of jake D1 but so what, townies vote townies a lot. Speaking as someone who I think does relatively better in late game than early game (FA may agree with this, *shakes fist at FA/RC/Ranger* for open 635), you did well when it mattered most.

PS I do appreciate your picking up my dead read. Dead townies can be useful resources sometimes.
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Post Post #2113 (ISO) » Wed Jun 08, 2016 6:16 pm

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In post 2106, Titus wrote:Rosh, at the time, was a townbeard.

Huntress had the right call in not having her do the kill. I figured that people would not do the whole scumread for being smart thing. As town, I would have STILL voted Huntress. :(
I was rambling about this in dead chat, but...

1) Your early hop onto the Huntress wagon seemed informed by knowing that Roshar was an RB (or at least JK). That kind of knowledge was IMO much more likely to come from a wolf than a town given the non NK.

2) I don't think that your claim (even night doctor) was at all consistent with your actions wrt Roshar/Huntress. If you were truly an even night doctor, it'd be pretty natural to be suspicious of Roshar, especially once she outed as an RB, as opposed to say a cop (or 1-shot cop). IMO your actions and your claim weren't aligned.
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Post Post #2114 (ISO) » Wed Jun 08, 2016 11:36 pm

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In post 2110, Froot Loop wrote:
In post 2105, Jake from State Farm wrote:Of course I'm biased towards myself but his arguments were fucking weak as shit. You have to look at motive and there was absolutely no scum motive in my actions. Plus like RC said (and I don't care if the mod's disagree). Once the mod stepped in we were both basically confirmed town.
I'm not going to look back and read and I can't remember exactly what was happening. This is a game where people make mistakes, there's no need for you to jump on me afterwards and criticize my play, especially by talking about it like this.
Well I couldn't jump on you during the game so yes post game is the place for criticisms to be made public.
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Post Post #2115 (ISO) » Thu Jun 09, 2016 5:15 am

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In post 2083, Ircher wrote:I was impressed the game didn't end D5.

Why didn't the mafia ever claim to be Nos's neighbor? And for that matter, FA_Q2, you could've full-claimed && they would've likely believed you.

(At the very least, if you claim and get lynch, it should guarantee a town win).
likely because I would have cced that claim and we were not in lylo.

I didn't claim for 3 reasons - 1) town absolutely lost their goddamned minds when they were claiming nos neighbor was scum. Scum will not kill a 1 on 1 hood mate because of the manipulation possibilities are very strong. 2) I was not on the block yet - that was a claim for the block and 3) after all that I got absolutely nothing with my voyeur ability. That really is a pretty poor ability to have in a general sense. Having a PR though solidified my thoughts that titus was scum and one of the reasons that I pushed for a full claim. I think it was apparent that her claim did not fit the gamestate.
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Post Post #2116 (ISO) » Thu Jun 09, 2016 5:17 am

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You could probably stand to be less blunt and more forgiving in your criticisms. Also, given that rc was a wolf, and his commentary there was IIRC the first thing that kinda pinged me on his slot, I'm not sure how valid the "mod confirmed us town" argument really is. I think the mod confirmed you weren't both wolves together, but v/w probably gets a similar step in (ditto multi-ball, wolf/sk etc).
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Post Post #2117 (ISO) » Thu Jun 09, 2016 5:19 am

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In post 2108, JohnnyFarrar wrote:Neat thread. Wondering what Bells had to say but I didn't read anything prior to my replacing so it probably doesn't matter.

Doc claim wasn't bad, Titus, but the actual roles in the game made a doc seem too farfetched
Town had a lot of power and scum had no safe PR claims.

Investigative gets countered twice. RB was present. JK tipped. Doc was the only play.
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Post Post #2118 (ISO) » Thu Jun 09, 2016 5:20 am

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Tbh, I deliberately no killed on the night Roshar blocked me. I wanted to frame who she blocked. Lol. Then lynch Roshar.
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Post Post #2119 (ISO) » Thu Jun 09, 2016 5:24 am

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Tbf, I do think the setup after being played was slightly town-sided, mainly cuz Mafia didn't have any good claims (the only good one imo was the jk role; it would've at least bought so time).

Nonetheless, swing is also part of the setup, so I'd still say it's balanced, just swingy and slightly town-sided; scum could've used something like maybe a 1-Shot commuter or strongman prob. to help with cases like these.
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Post Post #2120 (ISO) » Thu Jun 09, 2016 5:26 am

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I don't think the reviewers ever really thought about safe claims too much.... More worried about the swing & massclaims rather than scum being able to fakeclaim in any given situation.
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Post Post #2121 (ISO) » Thu Jun 09, 2016 5:42 am

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Mass claim on D1 breaks this.
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Post Post #2122 (ISO) » Thu Jun 09, 2016 5:53 am

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Fair enough.

The original setup that I submitted to N was prob. way worse in terms of balance tho. Did you look at the setup review thread?
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Post Post #2123 (ISO) » Thu Jun 09, 2016 9:46 am

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Yeah my games always look different after the reviewers get a hold of them also. Once I want to run a game the way I set it up.
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Post Post #2124 (ISO) » Thu Jun 09, 2016 9:47 am

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In post 2120, Ircher wrote:I don't think the reviewers ever really thought about safe claims too much.... More worried about the swing & massclaims rather than scum being able to fakeclaim in any given situation.
I don't think reviewers make that decision. It's up to the mod to decide of safe claims are going to be given.
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