In post 1511, toolenduso wrote:As long as we're waiting on a Keyser replacement I suppose it would be a good time to examine whatever Dunn and bins are talking about. It occurs to me that my read on that slot has been based a lot on a couple of posts.
In post 1633, toolenduso wrote:Xyzzy looks worst to me. The problem is that now I don't have a strong second candidate for scum. I kinda want to revisit what Bins was saying about Keyser.
SURE YOU DO BUBBO
I find it odd that tool never really gave a strong read on Keyser it was always just posts like "Gonna see what Dunn/Bins are saying about Keyser" but then he never did.
i am back and am v drunk so I might not do this for long
In post 1856, toolenduso wrote:Also I looked back at what Dunn and Bins were talking about re: Keyserslot. Especially seeing which players we've narrowed things down to, I can buy the narrative of a daychat-planned bus between partners. The slot isn't at the top of my list atm, but let's remember my tool from earlier -- if we find the second scum, we can use their actions re: HA's claim to find the third scum.
In post 1878, Bins wrote:I like a creature lynch more than a Jaack lynch because all I really get from Jaack is very un-hesitant bad logic. Which is opportunistic, but could come from town (ugh). The more I look at Keyser's posts the more believable a set-up bus looks.
thing is im isoing keyser and calling his push on ha bussing is sorta hard to swallow
tyler was too relaxed to be saying this as scum eh
maybe?
In post 1913, toolenduso wrote:I was gonna do a comprehensive VCA and then I realized just how many votecounts there were. Tyler's approach of selective VCA is better, although I am still not understanding why xyzzy having more voters unflipped makes them town.
One thing I do note is just how little voting Keyser did in this game. And how low-activity he was too. That does go against what I remember of his town game, and Creature's entrance today fits scum very well. I am thinking atm that if Creature flips scum then Jaack would be less likely to be partner -- in which case I think I'd be looking at xyzzy based on PoE.
(that's because of the scum-acting-together idea I had wrt to HA's claim -- Keyserslot voted HA without hesitation after HA's claim and didn't go for Robert, whereas Tyler did go for Robert. Ergo, Creature/Tyler is not as likely a scumteam as Creature/Xyzzy)
And somebody (think it was tyler) made a good point about Jaack's ballsiness throughout the game. He's gone for basically everything it would be convenient for scum to go for -- Robert after he made one bad post to open the game, Robert again when he messed up his macho claim, Dunn when he gambited. It seems a little brazen for scum, and while I can see scum doing it...well, it goes back to what I talked about at the beginning of the game, where there was this feeling that scum just wasn't doing a whole lot. It'd make sense for scum to have a lot of low-key players, and Jaack hasn't been low-key.
So basically the more I think about it the more I think Creature is a good lynch today.
VOTE: Creature
That's L-2
ok so like
i was using this as my reason for thinking tool was town
but then i realized something
the only big post/cases tool made in the game.. gee there weren't a lot of them
this post is so out of place now that i'm looking at tool's other posts eh
And sorry, but I don't think there's a reason to keep talking about the Dunn thing with you. You're not going to change your mind. Nothing against you, I just think you're wrong and I don't like posting about the same stuff when it doesn't matter. I'll talk with TOF about it.
And I'm now realizing that with TOF leaning toward Dunn I think xyzzy is the only person widely scumread enough to get lynched today. And there is utility in lynching xyzzy before Creature because if xyzzy flips scum then I think we could move on from the possibility of Tyler being scum. Whereas if we were to lynch Creature and he flipped scum, I would not want to lynch Jaack but other people still would.
really sucks when people replace in and don't do anything
i mean this game was really, really fun for a good while there - now i don't know if we're imploding or if everything i know is a lie
and the original players here, me bins dunn and jaack i suppose are gonna care more about the game obviously but
how much is it to ask to play the game you signed up for?
you don't really even need to read the thread, honestly, just jump in and interact, lord knows we were all active before the apathy bit everyone in the neck
a no lynch would be catastrophic - but xyzzy is flipping scum - creature is only
ok
i wanna reiterate good fkn job guys because whichever one of you is scum clearing did some planning and voted their buddies even when another lynch was inevitable
In post 268, heuristically_alone wrote:Up to this point, he had only joined in post 55 voting Jack as mafia (a surprisingly large amount of people immediately read Jack as mafia or town based off of his simple post 13)
Then immediately in posts 56-58 and 79-81 just quotes what others are saying and maybe asks follow up questions without literally given up anything original on his own. The only other posts he has made are 204-206 and 222, all of which he does the exact same thing. Just quoting others and giving a quick comment, but absolutely saying nothing original or doing nothing to help the game. 205 unvotes Jack, but that's that.
OK, but here's the thing though. Take a look at Keyser's early-game posts in this game.
I'm not gonna give him a pass or anything just yet, and actually I want to go through his ISO here in a minute, but I am approaching this with the knowledge that: A) People were suspicious of Keyser early in that game too, and B) Eventually he became pretty obvtown.
I don't see how an RVS from another game has anything to do with reading how he plays as scum or town. And why did he become pretty obvtown? Just by posting a lot of commentary of what others were saying?
no matter what tyler says tho this is such a fucking weird interaction
"oh hey keyser is scum (heheh im bussing)"
"no partner! take a look at reasons why our partner isn't scum!!"
"partner u r stupid there is nothing here that means anything"
like if they're pointed - as in he thinks you're scum then why would he be asking about your behavior like he assumes you're posting for some specific gain, implying town
if that's him trying to get a read on you it's not as bad - but then the follow up is bad because your first response was kinda lame - and then your second response you started to push back a little bit and gave sorta a non-answer so i think the hesitance from him which essentially amounted to "need to see more" felt out of place
I could not see the town motivation/tone of xyzzy's questions (then he later backs down from his line of reasoning). post 34, post 40 - IMO, they are non-questions (
-Ostensibly, ira treated the game like it was RVS until #198, because when people gave him flak for his Keyser vote his defense was that he was trying to build a wagon to get out of RVS. Fair enough. But in that same post he votes Bins, right after Dunn begins pushing for a Bins wagon. It's the same MO as when he voted for Keyser, basically, but at this point he's putting reasoning behind it. So it kind of all comes together to look like ira was floating along trying to look active, then got criticized for it and came up with an excuse (I'm trying to get out of RVS) but also tried to escape the criticism by going to the next viable wagon he could find (Bins). It's worth noting that ira says he didn't know Dunn was voting Bins (#256).
-He switches back to Keyser in #257. He has reasoning, and I do follow it logically, but it should be noted that it happens amid pressure for his Bins vote, and in the process of switching to Keyser he distances himself from the Bins vote.
I like post 282 as a whole alot, including toolenduso's expression of his reads of xyzzy and Jaack (healthy paranoia + re-checking his positions continually) i.e townie-mindset.