Mini 1830 - Game Over

[gerryoat]

So we all fos CCC?

[malpascp]

Except for Manuel.
Manuel and gerry are prob town so that leaves the 3 of us. I know I'm not scum so I FoS Gamma and CCC. Even though I'm not sure which one to lynch today.

Thoughts on House's death?

[gerryoat]

I think he was outright killed. imo. he was still TR by a lot of people, so it makes sense

[malpascp]

Actually never thought for a second he would protect someone else.

After a quick ISO, the one most likely to be eager's partner is CCC, so I'd vote for him.

[Gamma Emerald]

Hm. CCC and mal are both good options, and with Manuel and Gerry clear, we have auto if we lynch in those 2. Willing to lynch either CCC or mal equally as much.

[CCC]

i'm the only one who defended huntress and when I did, I was going to be lynched for it. please tell me as scum why I would defend PR that much to a point where I was going to be lynched for it

Easy. If the PR is lynched, you can make the above claim and try to dodge a lynch. If

you

get lynched, then it makes the PR look even scummier and almost guarantees a mislynch immediately afterwards.

[Gamma Emerald]

CCC provides a good point though. I'm feeling our best shot is mal.

This is a theoretical vote on malpascp.

[CCC]

Hmmm. Previously, I suggested that Manuel and Gamma were probtown, and since I know I'm Town, that leaves gerry and malpascp as the scum. I now see gerry and malpascp both calling for

my

lynch, and apparently townreading each other.

Somehow, I'm not surprised.

[CCC]

My strongest scumread is still gerryoat, for the reason put forward yesterday here:

VOTE: House

Don't see the point of there being a BP and a BG. I think House is fake in the two.

Why do you say

House

is the fake one?

Because I think him and Gamma are the team. His refusal to admit Gamma's scumminess is something I don't think he'd do as town.

He is dead set on hammering her because she claimed Bullet-proof? Doesnt make sense to me.

If he was scum he could have easily justified hammering Huntress and had my support tomorrow if he left me alive.

Look at Gerry's play dude. He DIDN'T CARE ABOUT ME UNTIL I DERAILED THE GAMMA WAGON AND STARTED PUSHING HUNTRESS.

His scumclaiming is all over the place, and the association with Huntress is so glaringly obvious it hurts.

BECAUSE GAMMA IS OBVIOUS MAFIA. IF YOU CANT REALIZE THIS THEN YOU HAVE TO BE MAFIA, YOU CANNOT BE THIS BAD AS TO TOWNREAD HIM

Ladies and gentlemen, Gerryoat is scum.

Look at what he's saying here; he says he's scumreading House because House is protecting the "obvious mafia" Gamma.

That is to say; his scumread on House depends on his scumread of Gamma. Therefore, he must be scumreading Gamma harder than House. Gamma, who was scumread enough to be almost lynched yesterday; versus House, one of the most Townread players in the game.

Remember the last time we saw this argument in use? Where someone votes for person A, using reasoning which shows they must be scumreading person B even harder than person A?

It formed the cornerstone of House's case on Eager, and now Gerryoat is doing exactly the same thing.

Gerryoat is now the scummiest player in the game.

[gerryoat]

CCC. as mafia, why would i defend huntress that much. You still havent answered. Why not hammer to prove I wasn't on a team with her? Also if my whole case was on house being mafia, why would i kill him?

[CCC]

CCC. as mafia, why would i defend huntress that much. You still havent answered. Why not hammer to prove I wasn't on a team with her? Also if my whole case was on house being mafia, why would i kill him?

a) As Mafia, you knew she was Town. Hammering to "prove you weren't on a team with her" would have been counterproductive, and

you knew that

.
b) House ended the day still scumreading you, and tends to push through lynches. I can't be sure, but I'm guessing you thought it would be easier to push a mislynch through without him.

[gerryoat]

Of the two possible buddies I've narrowed the game down to, the one I was banking on being her buddy

(Gerry) has actually surprised me by towning up in a big way.

Mal's continued reluctance, while understandable from a #drunkposting pov, doesn't help him much because he has been sitting on intent with no hammer for a while (granted L-1 was gone for a bit, but he wasn't in here participating during that time frame either).

I'd lean mal at this point over Gerry, more for Gerry's participation today than anything mal has done.

I think my read on CCC is off. As I said before, if Huntress is town, he HAS to be scum.

I just didn't want to believe it because I mislynched him before.

lol you just blatantly lied CCC


He actually said that you'd be scum. So you have more incentive to kill house. He actually said i was being townie

[CCC]

Huh. I'd forgotten about that.

Okay, so he was starting to scumread me. And it seems that you were paying more attention to that than I was.

But nothing you've said detracts from my main case. You had a conditional read (you thought House was scum

because

you thought Gamma was scum) and then voted for the less likely branch of that conditional; this is exactly what eagerSnake did - and was scumread for - on Day One.

And

you did it in circumstances where the

most

likely branch of the conditional would make an easier lynch.

[Eggman]

Vote Count 4.01

Not Voting

: gerryoat, Gamma Emerald, CCC, Manuel87, malpascp

malpascp

: Gamma Emerald (theoretical)

With 5 players alive, it takes

3

players for a lynch.
The deadline for this day is (expired on 2016-10-28 14:20:00).

[gerryoat]

Huh. I'd forgotten about that.

Okay, so he was starting to scumread me. And it seems that you were paying more attention to that than I was.

But nothing you've said detracts from my main case. You had a conditional read (you thought House was scum

because

you thought Gamma was scum) and then voted for the less likely branch of that conditional; this is exactly what eagerSnake did - and was scumread for - on Day One.

And

you did it in circumstances where the

most

likely branch of the conditional would make an easier lynch.

So i pushed on the person everyone TR, to fight a lynch on someone I thought was town. and that makes me scummy? for trying to stop an eventual mislynch?

[gerryoat]

Gamma also said it was you and mal. but you seem to only focus on me and mal. how come?

[CCC]

Huh. I'd forgotten about that.

Okay, so he was starting to scumread me. And it seems that you were paying more attention to that than I was.

But nothing you've said detracts from my main case. You had a conditional read (you thought House was scum

because

you thought Gamma was scum) and then voted for the less likely branch of that conditional; this is exactly what eagerSnake did - and was scumread for - on Day One.

And

you did it in circumstances where the

most

likely branch of the conditional would make an easier lynch.

So i pushed on the person everyone TR, to fight a lynch on someone I thought was town. and that makes me scummy? for trying to stop an eventual mislynch?

No, you're misrepresenting my case.

- Your chain of logic, as presented in the thread, said that House is scum

because

Gamma is scum
- Therefore, logically, your scumread of Gamma had to have been stronger than your scumread of House
- House was more Townread at the time than Gamma
- Despite both of the above, you voted House instead of Gamma
- This is

exactly

the same logic that eagerSnake used on day one, which formed the centre of House's case on Eager

In short, you were not pushing your top scumread, in circumstances where there was no Townish reason not to push your top scumread.

Gamma also said it was you and mal. but you seem to only focus on me and mal. how come?

Because I think Gamma is Town, while I'm sure that you are Mafia.

[gerryoat]

Well you're pushing on the wrong person if you're town, or it's possibly one mafia. I voted house because i voted in PR ccs. I figured there was not 4 PRs and I didnt think huntress was fake. I didnt vote house solely on the reason that i fos'd gamma

[Gamma Emerald]

You know what f it
I'm ready already.
VOTE: malpascp

[Manuel87]

Actually never thought for a second he would protect someone else.

I agree no way he took a bullet for someone else today.

Hm. CCC and mal are both good options, and with Manuel and Gerry clear, we have auto if we lynch in those 2. Willing to lynch either CCC or mal equally as much.

Why do you think Gerry is clear?

[Gamma Emerald]

I think Gerry is clear because he hard defended so much, but his vote didn't look forced.

[Manuel87]

Okay i kinda agree but CCC also got off the Huntress wagon when she was about to be hammered
I also still think malpascp is the lynch for today.
Not to sure about Gerry and CCC but still leaning more towards scum!Gerry
No matter how i look at it malpacp it scum
VOTE: malpascp

[gerryoat]

VOTE: malpascp

[gerryoat]

Well then, i think that went well

[Gamma Emerald]

Hmm...