Mini Normal #1838 - Game Over

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Post Post #75  (ISO)  » Tue Oct 04, 2016 9:25 pm

Official Vote Count 1.02
LynchingWith 13 votes in play, it takes 7 to lynch.

Grendel (2): boring, MariaR
Zornos (2): DierFire, implosion
implosion (1): PenguinPower
boring (1): eagerSnake
nn30 (1): Gamma Emerald
Lil Uzi Vert (1): Shadow_step
MariaR (1): Lil Uzi Vert

Not Voting (4): Grendel, nn30, Zoronos, Slandaar


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Post Post #76  (ISO)  » Tue Oct 04, 2016 9:44 pm

Late to the party. Sorry fam.

I'll join RVS by punishing myself for lurking.

VOTE: Nn30

To answer questions from earlier...

1) What is your preferred alignment?

Scum. It's more fun.

2) Are you often mislynched? If so, why is that?

Haven't played enough to know.

3) Can you describe your play style concisely in one sentence?

Only if you can ask your question concisely. ;)

4) If you were the deciding vote at lylo with the slot above you, and the slot below you, which player would you lynch and why?

I'd lynch PenguinPower. They're useless birds - they can't even fly!

5) How excited are you for this game?

Mafia / Werewolf / The Resistance / Secret Hitler / Spyfall are all wonderful games. Deception games are my favorite. Problem is it's hard to play them in person regularly. So...

HELL YEAH I'M PUMPED LETS DO THIS.

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Post Post #77  (ISO)  » Tue Oct 04, 2016 9:46 pm

Did you really just out yourself?

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Post Post #78  (ISO)  » Tue Oct 04, 2016 9:47 pm

They can swim like whoa. Not liking this slot. Answer to question 4. Above.

P-edit

Don't preempt me.

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Post Post #79  (ISO)  » Tue Oct 04, 2016 9:48 pm

In post 62, eagerSnake wrote:
In post 61, implosion wrote:This feels reeeeeeally like a scummy claim to me. Pings me really very hard. Feels like a mafia ascetic trying to act like a town ascetic. It also doesn't necessarily reduce the negative effect of ascetic to claim it, as, if town, eagerSnake is now a free nightkill if scum want to kill him.


Why aren't you voting me then? If you're going to try and push popular opinion in this light then vote me you scared child



This seems overly aggressive.

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Post Post #80  (ISO)  » Tue Oct 04, 2016 9:49 pm

He's an eager snake.

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Post Post #81  (ISO)  » Tue Oct 04, 2016 9:53 pm

It's called boldtelling.
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Post Post #82  (ISO)  » Tue Oct 04, 2016 9:53 pm

In post 79, nn30 wrote:This seems overly aggressive.



Do you think my "over-aggressive"-ness is a sign of town, or scum? Explain your answer.

(700-750 words, APA style format)

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Post Post #83  (ISO)  » Tue Oct 04, 2016 10:00 pm

In post 82, eagerSnake wrote:
In post 79, nn30 wrote:This seems overly aggressive.



Do you think my "over-aggressive"-ness is a sign of town, or scum? Explain your answer.

(700-750 words, APA style format)

pssh! APA format is for pussies. Make him do it in Chicago.

@Gamma, what's bold-telling? I've never seen that term, and I can't find it in the wiki.

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Post Post #84  (ISO)  » Tue Oct 04, 2016 10:02 pm

Yes, I outed myself on post 1 day 1. /s

Your over-aggressive-ness is a sign of scum IMO. If "I'm not afraid to die" is your reaction to getting voted then you're not playing to your win con.

I'm more of an MLA guy.

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Post Post #85  (ISO)  » Tue Oct 04, 2016 10:03 pm

I made it up. However, being bold is a bit of a towntell.
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Post Post #86  (ISO)  » Tue Oct 04, 2016 10:04 pm

In post 64, implosion wrote:Grendel's opening post is also potentially scummy.
Grendel wrote:Anybody up for some questions?

I've been finishing up a new set I want to use.

Why not just ask the questions? This seems unnecessarily roundabout.

If I was wanting town approval before I did something then why did I not wait for a positive response before posting?

Some people are roundabout in the things they do. However, it doesn't mean that they don't get anything done.

That was more me signifying that I was about to post my questions then anything. If I had gotten a response, positive or negative, I would not have pulled back from my original opening.
Grendel wrote:If its cool I'd like you all to leave me to analyze them,

If this is non-sarcastic then I'm holding you to this - I'd like to hear what actual alignment-indicative or otherwise useful content you're getting out of these questions.

Also of all games to feel like you need to force an RQS or RVS, this is a very silly one. We have a claim. On page one. An unusual one at that. We have a goldmine of material to analyze already - why do you feel the need to instigate an RQS? RQS and RVS as they're usually conceived are both kind of outdated anyway. There's usually enough substance in the first few posts to get reads that are legitimate enough to argue about, even if they're very unstable.


Yes, I like to review the question results to see if I can divine some alignments. Why not contribute to the game with your answers?

I don't know if Eager claiming ascetic at day start is more likely to come from town, or scum. So I'm doing something I'm more familiar with.

I'm interested why you find my entrance poitenally scummy when you feel Zoronos is legitimately scummy. If you thought that Zorones was implying I'm scum then why was your initial reaction to my post, "well that's kinda scummy"? Sorry, but its weird that you'd have me as a tertiary scum read while your top scum is, in your opinion, also scum reading me. If you think he is scum, why do you think I am scum too?

I am not seeing much town intent with these pushes of yours.
Zoronos wrote:
In post 64, implosion wrote:Zoronos, you're implying a scumread on Grendel; why not follow it up with a vote?


Because I don't vote the instant I have an inkling of suspicion. Or moreover, because the simple act of asking the questions isn't necessarily scum play. Using the questions as a sole form of contribution on the other hand is (which doesn't necessarily mean Grendel, a townie putting down that kind of list gives the scum room to dwell on it to contribute, so it isn't even that Grendel is scum for doing it, it's just pro-scum to exist). So yes, I'd rather take the hard line early and nip camouflaging play in the bud.

Or maybe these boards don't have a conception of 'fake content' or maybe I'm using the wrong jargon to explain the idea. If I'm unclear, well.


Okay, gun to your head: Am I mislead town, or misleading mafia?

I disagree what you are saying about RQS, but I'll have to wait until I've gotten a decent sample size before I post full reasoning.

In the meantime it'd be super nice if you'd humor me and play along.

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Post Post #87  (ISO)  » Tue Oct 04, 2016 10:06 pm

In post 84, nn30 wrote:Yes, I outed myself on post 1 day 1. /s

Your over-aggressive-ness is a sign of scum IMO. If "I'm not afraid to die" is your reaction to getting voted then you're not playing to your win con.

I'm more of an MLA guy.

No, scum is more concerned with staying alive then finding scum.
And I hate writing papers in general.
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Post Post #88  (ISO)  » Tue Oct 04, 2016 10:12 pm

@Boring --I humbly request you answer my set of questions--

Gamma Emerald wrote:I made it up. However, being bold is a bit of a towntell.


I'd say that is more dependent on the player. Some people are more gutsy as town then scum, some more gutsy as scum.

Its important to look for that if you are gonna meta drive some ppls games. But you knew that already.

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Post Post #89  (ISO)  » Tue Oct 04, 2016 10:14 pm

Not being afraid to die is only against my wincon if I'm scum.

If I'm town not wanting to die is a personal goal. Finding, rooting out, and tricking scum into showing their true colors is the primary objective.

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Post Post #90  (ISO)  » Tue Oct 04, 2016 10:15 pm

In post 87, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 84, nn30 wrote:Yes, I outed myself on post 1 day 1. /s

Your over-aggressive-ness is a sign of scum IMO. If "I'm not afraid to die" is your reaction to getting voted then you're not playing to your win con.

I'm more of an MLA guy.

No, scum is more concerned with staying alive then finding scum.
And I hate writing papers in general.


Fair (to both points).

@eagerSnake - Dug through your finished games. Only found three completed - you were town in all three.

1) Did I miss a finished game where you were scum?

2) You explained similarly aggressive in one of your townie games. You explained that if you're a townie you don't mind dying (especially for a power role)- because your reads flip and everyone gets to re-read you as a confirmed townie. Dying for the cause. Because of this I'll retract my suspicion at your aggression - for now - since it's consistent with how you've played in the past.

3) Before anyone tells me not to base too much off of meta... I know. It's not like I have much to go off of on page four.

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Post Post #91  (ISO)  » Tue Oct 04, 2016 10:21 pm

Well nn30 is probably town.

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Post Post #92  (ISO)  » Tue Oct 04, 2016 10:40 pm

Well you're quick to make friends.

I'll have to remember this post once the game is over for learning purposes.

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Post Post #93  (ISO)  » Tue Oct 04, 2016 10:48 pm

@eagerSnake - Did I miss a finished scum game in your history?

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Post Post #94  (ISO)  » Tue Oct 04, 2016 10:48 pm

The only way you are scum right now is if you are an alt; which I already meta checked.

Yes you did - Horoscopes newbie game, but it is irrelevant to my current scum game.

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Post Post #95  (ISO)  » Tue Oct 04, 2016 10:49 pm

Naw he's new: I know because he was auto-subbed into my first game.
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Post Post #96  (ISO)  » Tue Oct 04, 2016 10:51 pm

In post 86, Grendel wrote:Okay, gun to your head: Am I mislead town, or misleading mafia?

I disagree what you are saying about RQS, but I'll have to wait until I've gotten a decent sample size before I post full reasoning.

In the meantime it'd be super nice if you'd humor me and play along.


Well, given your insistence on continuing this line of questioning, I'll go with scum. But really the answer is 'bare scum off neutral and mostly just being annoying and probably bad'. Conveniently there is no gun to my head, so such a determination is massively early.

I will under no circumstance play along, and you should really stop asking non-alignment determining questions. Especially ones that open easy AtE avenues (the answer of 'Yes' to 'are you mislynched often' is an easy play for scum to make here. Opening it is short sighted, imo)

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Post Post #97  (ISO)  » Tue Oct 04, 2016 10:52 pm

In post 86, Grendel wrote:I'm interested why you find my entrance poitenally scummy when you feel Zoronos is legitimately scummy. If you thought that Zorones was implying I'm scum then why was your initial reaction to my post, "well that's kinda scummy"? Sorry, but its weird that you'd have me as a tertiary scum read while your top scum is, in your opinion, also scum reading me. If you think he is scum, why do you think I am scum too?

I am not seeing much town intent with these pushes of yours.


This is a decently analytical thought though for this point in the game. ++towniness.

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Post Post #98  (ISO)  » Tue Oct 04, 2016 10:55 pm

Could be faux-analytical

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Post Post #99  (ISO)  » Tue Oct 04, 2016 10:55 pm

I don't think anyone has done anything that is towny or scummy yet but this is amusing to watch.
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