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PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2016 7:50 pm
by PenguinPower
Ah, ok. That's how you took it. I should have been more specific.

PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2016 7:51 pm
by Gamma Emerald
In post 1725, PenguinPower wrote:Ah, ok. That's how you took it. I should have been more specific.

Can you please restate it?

PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2016 7:53 pm
by PenguinPower
In post 1726, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1725, PenguinPower wrote:Ah, ok. That's how you took it. I should have been more specific.

Can you please restate it?


In post 1723, PenguinPower wrote:2.) Would you not join a wagon at end of day if you felt the slot was scummy and your top scum read's wagon didn't materialize? That sounds pretty normal to me...

PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2016 7:53 pm
by podoboq
Official Vote Count 2.08
LynchingWith 11 votes in play, it takes 6 to lynch.

Lil Uzi Vert (2): boring, Prism
Gamma Emerald (2): Shadow_step, Dierfire
Penguin Power (2): Grendel, Gamma Emerald
boring (1): implosion
Zoronos (1): PenguinPower

Not Voting (3): Lil Uzi Vert, nn30, Zoronos


Deadline: (expired on 2016-10-30 12:31:00)

PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2016 7:54 pm
by Grendel
In post 1662, Dierfire wrote:I'd rather vote for Gamma Emerald than for PenguinPower or Lil Uzi Vert.
I'm still assessing whether I'd prefer to vote for Gamma Emerald than for boring.

I guess that for the purpose of clarity I'll put my vote on Gamma Emerald for now.

VOTE: Gamma Emerald


I'd like to know more about why boring is 2nd scum for you when you found most the other players cases on her uncompelling.

Is the crux of your case that she finds LUV scummier then Implosion, when through PoE she should be on Implosion?

How do you feel about Implosion?

PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2016 7:56 pm
by Grendel
@Gamma

In post 1717, Grendel wrote:Gamma Emerald, How are you reading boring currently?


Well?

PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2016 7:58 pm
by Gamma Emerald
I'm not sure on boring, but she feels scummy rn.

PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2016 7:58 pm
by Zoronos
VOTE: PenguinPower
k then.

PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2016 8:01 pm
by PenguinPower
Good for you. Care to answer my question and answer why it took you this long to take a hard stance on anything?

PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2016 8:01 pm
by Grendel
Okay Gamma.

How about Zoronos?

Do you still tr me too?

PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2016 8:05 pm
by Gamma Emerald
Looking back at boring, she seems to have done a lot of mudslinging early Day 1(before Shadow's claim).
As for Grendel and Zoronos, those are others I need to reconsider. I've actually been fostering a Grendel scumread because of the fact I can't find anything to townread him on that's non-meta. I'm hoping things will be easier to sort with a flip.

PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2016 8:10 pm
by Gamma Emerald
Okay nonononono this will not do. A lot of Grendel's posts in the later art of Day 1 seem to be stalling. This feels like someone being coached in day chat. I understand he has school stuff going on but it's so widespread I can't handwave it.

PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2016 8:15 pm
by Grendel
I'm just interested. Because their is something Town!Gamma would have brought up.

So you are saying you don't actually have any case on me? Just a lack of reasons to town read me?

Pre-edit

Hmm... that wasn't what I expected you to talk about. Especially since you'd know better then anybody else here what my living conditions are like.

PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2016 8:18 pm
by Gamma Emerald
I'm thinking I know what Grendel is talking about, and I don't have anything to say about that right now. So you may as well say it because I don't think you'll get anything out of me by being vague.

PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2016 8:19 pm
by Zoronos
In post 1733, PenguinPower wrote:Good for you. Care to answer my question and answer why it took you this long to take a hard stance on anything?


Stances and votes are not the same thing; if you are curious as to any of the various stances I took, check all the various scum reads I've posted throughout the game along with the reasoning for them.
Your statement's premise is false, so the question is irrelevant. Unless you mean "Why do you vote seldom but post a lot" then answer is playstyle.

PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2016 8:26 pm
by PenguinPower
In post 1739, Zoronos wrote:
In post 1733, PenguinPower wrote:Good for you. Care to answer my question and answer why it took you this long to take a hard stance on anything?


Stances and votes are not the same thing; if you are curious as to any of the various stances I took, check all the various scum reads I've posted throughout the game along with the reasoning for them.
Your statement's premise is false, so the question is irrelevant. Unless you mean "Why do you vote seldom but post a lot" then answer is playstyle.


You're right...stances and votes are not the same thing. Stances and expressed reads mean nothing. They can be easily manipulated to "mean" whatever you need them to mean at the time. So, to clarify...by "hard stance" I mean something that actually has meaning behind it.

Votes are something real. Sure, scum bus. Town mislynches. But the end result is real.

Your "playstyle" is safe and manipulative to your needs.

PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2016 8:26 pm
by Grendel
Gamma Emerald wrote:I'm thinking I know what Grendel is talking about, and I don't have anything to say about that right now. So you may as well say it because I don't think you'll get anything out of me by being vague.


If you know what I'm talking about then why do you need me to spell it out for you?

If I have to go to that extent then I'm voting you. So give me a guess.

PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2016 8:30 pm
by Gamma Emerald
In post 1741, Grendel wrote:
Gamma Emerald wrote:I'm thinking I know what Grendel is talking about, and I don't have anything to say about that right now. So you may as well say it because I don't think you'll get anything out of me by being vague.


If you know what I'm talking about then why do you need me to spell it out for you?

If I have to go to that extent then I'm voting you. So give me a guess.

Something about the game we were in that just ended. I don't know what you could have to say about that right now, and I personally feel there's not much that could matter.

PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2016 8:40 pm
by Grendel
Nope.

VOTE: Gamma

I guess I'll explain tomorrow when I put a case up. I have to get off soon.

In the meantime you can explain why you were so quick to sheep your tertiary scum read.

PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2016 8:51 pm
by Grendel
In post 1732, Zoronos wrote:VOTE: PenguinPower
k then.


I should clarify that my stance on Penguin is that he is a lazy player whose play style I dislike, but the scum read on him is light enough that I ordinarily wouldn't have voted him in this situation.

I mainly wanted to obligate Zoronos into making a real vote. So mission accomplished.

Though I guess Penguin did a decent job of that himself.

PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2016 8:55 pm
by PenguinPower
Sorry you dislike my playstyle, but it's not lazy. Zoronos may have voted me, but he has yet to do anything real.

PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2016 9:15 pm
by Zoronos
In post 1744, Grendel wrote:
In post 1732, Zoronos wrote:VOTE: PenguinPower
k then.


I should clarify that my stance on Penguin is that he is a lazy player whose play style I dislike, but the scum read on him is light enough that I ordinarily wouldn't have voted him in this situation.

I mainly wanted to obligate Zoronos into making a real vote. So mission accomplished.

Though I guess Penguin did a decent job of that himself.


Ummmm... what?
I am not really sure how you thought you were obligating me to do things, mind explaining your thought process there?

PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2016 10:32 pm
by Zoronos
In post 1720, Gamma Emerald wrote:I changed my mind on PP:
1) The "Shadow intended to frame me and PP" idea is pretty illogical
2) This dude just said he's on my wagon pretty much but he'll be pushing someone else. Sounds scum motivated to me.


Gamma, where was this - "The "Shadow intended to frame me and PP" idea is pretty illogical" ?
I'd like to read the post in context, and I'm not sure what post you were referring to.

PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2016 10:37 pm
by nn30
In post 1732, Zoronos wrote:VOTE: PenguinPower
k then.


That's what did it for you? I thought you vote slow and seldom. It doesn't feel like you to post a vote without much thought.

PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2016 10:46 pm
by nn30
I'll look into Zoro later.

Gamma feels more and more scummy every time he posts.

When I originally called Gamma out, I pointed out that he was explicitly making town reads without much to go off of. Since I pointed this out, he hasn't posted a single confident town read. I don't like that his play style changed.

He waffled like a leaf in the wind on the Eager / Boring vote. He failed to post anything of substance on either of them. cu

Since the flip I haven't found a good example of him scum hunting anyone. He's just sassily defended himself. It doesn't feel like he's trying to solve the game.

He's my strongest scum read right now and it's going to take something fairly significant to change my mind.