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PostPosted: Tue Oct 25, 2016 9:23 am
by Zoronos
In post 2070, Dierfire wrote:My vote is for boring. I haven't seen many good reasons to read her as Mafia, but I've seen none to read her as Town and I think that the VC shows, at a minimum, Mafia players avoiding her wagon.

VOTE: boring


I was making parts of a case D1, though it never got far enough along to be something I was really happy with. What do you think of what I was writing back them?
Not in a place where I can go pull up the posts, sorry.

PostPosted: Tue Oct 25, 2016 9:29 am
by PenguinPower
In post 2074, Zoronos wrote:I guess the pertinent question - Penguin, do you think NN was attempting to *actively and malicious* distort your record, or that he a 'wrong but without malice' view of your record / meta?


I think that he misconstrued - though I'm not sure how since he never provided an example - my meta (hence honest lie), and that he legit feels he found a scum slip. I also think that he's wrong on all accounts, and his relentless tunneling based on my initial callout is bad for town.

PostPosted: Tue Oct 25, 2016 9:31 am
by Gamma Emerald
@PenguinPower - do you scumread nn30 because of his misconstruation? Simplest we can go.

PostPosted: Tue Oct 25, 2016 9:43 am
by PenguinPower
No.

PostPosted: Tue Oct 25, 2016 9:49 am
by podoboq
Official Vote Count 2.21
LynchingWith 11 votes in play, it takes 6 to lynch.

Lil Uzi Vert (5): boring, Prism, Gamma Emerald, implosion, Grendel
Penguin Power (2): Zoronos, nn30
Zoronos (1): PenguinPower
boring (1): Dierfire

Not Voting (2): Lil Uzi Vert, Shadow_step

V/LA: Grendel


Deadline: (expired on 2016-10-30 12:31:00)

PostPosted: Tue Oct 25, 2016 9:50 am
by Shadow_step
In post 2070, Dierfire wrote:I've read through both PenguinPower and Lil Uzi Vert again. I don't find the depth of analysis that I find in other players (Prism, Zoronos, Grendel). In general I'd characterize this as not making effort to solve the game, which is suspicious.
I suppose that, if I trusted my reads on Prism, Zoronos, and Grendel, I'd start lynching by POE and drop a hammer on Lil Uzi Vert, but I'm reluctant to do so for two reasons.
First, the wagon on Shadow_step after the claim yesterday does not strike me as the sort of place to find a high density of Mafia players (it would have been far easier to vote for eagerSnake). This means that Lil Uzi Vert (and nn30) should be less suspicious than the other players I'm having difficulty reading (boring, PenguinPower). As a parallel to that, if nn30 is less suspicious, it becomes difficult to see why no suspicious players are voting for boring in the quoted VC.
Second, I don't really trust my reads on Prism, Zoronos, and Grendel. I have reasons to read each as Town but I'm simply finding it too good to be true that I've narrowed the Mafia players down so much.

In post 1150, podoboq wrote:
Official Vote Count 1.26
LynchingWith 13 votes in play, it takes 7 to lynch.

boring (5): eagerSnake, MariaR, implosion, Gamma Emerald, nn30
eagerSnake (4): Shadow_step, boring, PenguinPower, Grendel
PenguinPower (1): Dierfire
Shadow_step (1): Lil Uzi Vert

Not Voting (2): Zoronos, Prism


V/LA: none

Deadline: (expired on 2016-10-18 15:22:00)


My vote is for boring. I haven't seen many good reasons to read her as Mafia, but I've seen none to read her as Town and I think that the VC shows, at a minimum, Mafia players avoiding her wagon.

VOTE: boring


This is a very good VCA
Eagersnake, maria are town, consider Implo and GE town.
Boring wagon was all town? Unlikely
NN is prob scum

PostPosted: Tue Oct 25, 2016 9:54 am
by Shadow_step
Intent to hammer LUV

PostPosted: Tue Oct 25, 2016 9:59 am
by Zoronos
In post 2076, PenguinPower wrote:
In post 2074, Zoronos wrote:I guess the pertinent question - Penguin, do you think NN was attempting to *actively and malicious* distort your record, or that he a 'wrong but without malice' view of your record / meta?


I think that he misconstrued - though I'm not sure how since he never provided an example - my meta (hence honest lie), and that he legit feels he found a scum slip. I also think that he's wrong on all accounts, and his relentless tunneling based on my initial callout is bad for town.


In post 2077, Gamma Emerald wrote:@PenguinPower - do you scumread nn30 because of his misconstruation? Simplest we can go.


Yeah, this is basically where I was going with the question.
I still hold that my case on Penguin is valid, but I'm not sure I see the second-layer-intent case. That back and forth was kinda mystifying for me so trying to unpack it a tad.

PostPosted: Tue Oct 25, 2016 10:01 am
by Zoronos
In post 2080, Shadow_step wrote:This is a very good VCA
Eagersnake, maria are town, consider Implo and GE town.
Boring wagon was all town? Unlikely
NN is prob scum

In post 2081, Shadow_step wrote:Intent to hammer LUV


SS - Explain this sequence of posts for me.
So think based on the VCA that NN is prob scum, but you're going to hammer LUV and end the day before investigating that? Or do you feel that LUV's flip is a critical input before that investigation can occur?

Or just independent uncorrelated events?

PostPosted: Tue Oct 25, 2016 10:04 am
by Gamma Emerald
I don't think Penguin's actions surrounding his meta are scummy.

PostPosted: Tue Oct 25, 2016 10:04 am
by Shadow_step
I want to lock LUV into a claim, I think he is also scum.
I don't want the day to end prematurely no.

PostPosted: Tue Oct 25, 2016 10:23 am
by Zoronos
In post 2085, Shadow_step wrote:I want to lock LUV into a claim, I think he is also scum.
I don't want the day to end prematurely no.


Do you think the Boring wagon being 'all town' says anything about Boring, or specifically that NN is scum and hiding on it?

PostPosted: Tue Oct 25, 2016 10:25 am
by Zoronos
In post 2084, Gamma Emerald wrote:I don't think Penguin's actions surrounding his meta are scummy.


In short, I think my case on Penguin is a good one, and NN's back and forth with Penguin mostly just confused me. He (NN) ended up on a train I like, so I'm trying to figure out how he got there and detangle the order of events.
I like people voting my scum reads, but I like people voting my scum reads for good reasons even more.

PostPosted: Tue Oct 25, 2016 11:39 am
by Zoronos
So.... did LUV just straight up ghost the thread?

PostPosted: Tue Oct 25, 2016 11:43 am
by Lil Uzi Vert
In post 2069, Zoronos wrote:Well then.
LUV - Talk to me. Who are your best scum reads? What do you think about the people voting on you - Whose cases are bad? Or do you think it's all mistaken town? (I am presuming here you are going to claim town and that you're being mislynched.


I feel confident about Penguin but even more so about boring. We're nearly 90 pages in and it's very concerning that no one can't find a reason to town read her. I've also defended myself against her case and she refuses to acknowledge that and is just asking anyone and everyone to vote for me. Prism is doing the same thing, even after I pointed out the problem with his case.

Since I believe Gamma's claim, Impolsion is confirmed town but I don't understand why he has made no effort to read me which makes me question everything. I'm also very suspicious of Grendal now after he just lazily hopped on.

PostPosted: Tue Oct 25, 2016 11:43 am
by Lil Uzi Vert
In post 2081, Shadow_step wrote:Intent to hammer LUV


I'm a town doc.

PostPosted: Tue Oct 25, 2016 11:44 am
by Lil Uzi Vert
In post 2088, Zoronos wrote:So.... did LUV just straight up ghost the thread?


I was typing lol.

PostPosted: Tue Oct 25, 2016 11:46 am
by Shadow_step
Brilliant, all the lynch baits got all the good PRs :/

VOTE: Nn

PostPosted: Tue Oct 25, 2016 11:47 am
by Zoronos
In post 2090, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
In post 2081, Shadow_step wrote:Intent to hammer LUV


I'm a town doc.

Counterclaim, town jailer

PostPosted: Tue Oct 25, 2016 11:48 am
by Zoronos
Bullshit we have a jailer and a doc.

PostPosted: Tue Oct 25, 2016 11:48 am
by Shadow_step
Uhhh wut

PostPosted: Tue Oct 25, 2016 11:49 am
by Shadow_step
Mind=blown

PostPosted: Tue Oct 25, 2016 11:50 am
by PenguinPower
Cop, Jailer, Doc, Two Town Ascetics. Why is it bullshit?

PostPosted: Tue Oct 25, 2016 11:52 am
by Zoronos
Is something unclear about this sequence of events? I am counterclaiming him because it seems insane to me that we'd have both a jailer and a doc in a game of this size.
Also, there's a reason ascetic jumped out to me as reasonable. It means I can't protect them; I can't interact with them at all - not save them, not roleblock them.

PostPosted: Tue Oct 25, 2016 11:54 am
by Shadow_step
Someone needs to unvote before luv self hammers.