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PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2016 2:45 am
by Zoronos
In post 823, implosion wrote:And @zoronos, site meta is very important when shadow's primary line of thought is "X would be bastard on this site, and this is a normal game, therefore X cannot be happening in this game." The first premise is flawed because he doesn't understand site meta.


That would be my point, yes.
He's locked into a vision of appropriate meta; whether this site's or some other site's, I don't care.
Meta is irrelevant. You're fighting on an axis of "Well, you see, it actually is within this site meta because..." I am saying I don't care whether it's in meta or not and nobody else should either.

PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2016 2:46 am
by MariaR
In post 803, Prism wrote:
In post 799, MariaR wrote:What do you sr me for.
After ISOing you I really can't remember what I found wrong with the first 15 or so pages, it has more to do with me disliking your playstyle than anything but that really shouldn't factor into my mindset. Your push on boring/LUV is good.

The reaction to eager/Shadow is very 0-100 cavalier and leaves me wondering why you weren't doing this earlier if you had such a solid townblock in your mind minus Shadow. It reads very much as trying to take advantage of the chaos and it's your chance to take control of the game.

What do you think of my other reads, namely that on Implosion and nn30?
I think one of them is okay the other is just wrong.

PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2016 2:47 am
by MariaR
In post 804, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
In post 799, MariaR wrote:
In post 797, Prism wrote:I have way, way too many scumreads right now: Implosion, boring, LUV, MariaR, Eager, and nn30. Of the bunch, I'd probably say Maria and boring are the ones least likely to be correct.

nn30's last 10 pages have been a trainwreck. He scumread Implosion, said:
In post 319, nn30 wrote:I'm still wary of implosion. Since I'm not getting any traction with him at the moment, I'll drop it and see if I have anything to contribute to the other wagons occurring right now.

but dropped the ball entirely with the followup. I scumread Implosion, explained why, and called for more votes on him-one would imagine nn30 at least taking an interest in one of his top suspects. Instead nn30 didn't even read my post explaining my reads or who I wanted, even when prodded to do so. He never had an interest in who I wanted instead of Gamma/Penguin to begin with, and even less so after the top one was Implosion. Latching onto Gamma and now Shadow and launching all kinds of shit to see what sticks is not a town approach to the game whatsoever. His #690 is noticeably about volume in casework over quality and he admits it. Does anyone here seriously think that Shadow wants to get into a 1v1 Day 1 as scum in a game where town has minimum 2 mislynches? Finally
In post 709, nn30 wrote:I'm the most obv town player here.
is a trademark scum post.

Moving on, I think either Eager is mafia or they're both town. Eager is playing this exactly how he should as scum, because there's really no way for him to come out of this alive unless he convinces everyone they're both town. I believe he's ascetic-I don't buy so much that he's a town one. Implosion being one of the ones pushing that eager isn't mafia for it really doesn't ease my mind.

In the meantime, Implosion, would you like to respond to my #591 and #599?

Right now, my vote on Implosion stays, I'd be willing to switch to nn30 if people would stop assuming the guy was town for no reason.
What do you sr me for.


Why do you seem concerned about being scum read?
Why do you care?

PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2016 2:48 am
by Lil Uzi Vert
In post 827, MariaR wrote:
In post 804, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
In post 799, MariaR wrote:
In post 797, Prism wrote:I have way, way too many scumreads right now: Implosion, boring, LUV, MariaR, Eager, and nn30. Of the bunch, I'd probably say Maria and boring are the ones least likely to be correct.

nn30's last 10 pages have been a trainwreck. He scumread Implosion, said:
In post 319, nn30 wrote:I'm still wary of implosion. Since I'm not getting any traction with him at the moment, I'll drop it and see if I have anything to contribute to the other wagons occurring right now.

but dropped the ball entirely with the followup. I scumread Implosion, explained why, and called for more votes on him-one would imagine nn30 at least taking an interest in one of his top suspects. Instead nn30 didn't even read my post explaining my reads or who I wanted, even when prodded to do so. He never had an interest in who I wanted instead of Gamma/Penguin to begin with, and even less so after the top one was Implosion. Latching onto Gamma and now Shadow and launching all kinds of shit to see what sticks is not a town approach to the game whatsoever. His #690 is noticeably about volume in casework over quality and he admits it. Does anyone here seriously think that Shadow wants to get into a 1v1 Day 1 as scum in a game where town has minimum 2 mislynches? Finally
In post 709, nn30 wrote:I'm the most obv town player here.
is a trademark scum post.

Moving on, I think either Eager is mafia or they're both town. Eager is playing this exactly how he should as scum, because there's really no way for him to come out of this alive unless he convinces everyone they're both town. I believe he's ascetic-I don't buy so much that he's a town one. Implosion being one of the ones pushing that eager isn't mafia for it really doesn't ease my mind.

In the meantime, Implosion, would you like to respond to my #591 and #599?

Right now, my vote on Implosion stays, I'd be willing to switch to nn30 if people would stop assuming the guy was town for no reason.
What do you sr me for.


Why do you seem concerned about being scum read?
Why do you care?


I'm trying to figure you out hun.

PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2016 3:10 am
by MariaR
In post 828, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
In post 827, MariaR wrote:
In post 804, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
In post 799, MariaR wrote:
In post 797, Prism wrote:I have way, way too many scumreads right now: Implosion, boring, LUV, MariaR, Eager, and nn30. Of the bunch, I'd probably say Maria and boring are the ones least likely to be correct.

nn30's last 10 pages have been a trainwreck. He scumread Implosion, said:
In post 319, nn30 wrote:I'm still wary of implosion. Since I'm not getting any traction with him at the moment, I'll drop it and see if I have anything to contribute to the other wagons occurring right now.

but dropped the ball entirely with the followup. I scumread Implosion, explained why, and called for more votes on him-one would imagine nn30 at least taking an interest in one of his top suspects. Instead nn30 didn't even read my post explaining my reads or who I wanted, even when prodded to do so. He never had an interest in who I wanted instead of Gamma/Penguin to begin with, and even less so after the top one was Implosion. Latching onto Gamma and now Shadow and launching all kinds of shit to see what sticks is not a town approach to the game whatsoever. His #690 is noticeably about volume in casework over quality and he admits it. Does anyone here seriously think that Shadow wants to get into a 1v1 Day 1 as scum in a game where town has minimum 2 mislynches? Finally
In post 709, nn30 wrote:I'm the most obv town player here.
is a trademark scum post.

Moving on, I think either Eager is mafia or they're both town. Eager is playing this exactly how he should as scum, because there's really no way for him to come out of this alive unless he convinces everyone they're both town. I believe he's ascetic-I don't buy so much that he's a town one. Implosion being one of the ones pushing that eager isn't mafia for it really doesn't ease my mind.

In the meantime, Implosion, would you like to respond to my #591 and #599?

Right now, my vote on Implosion stays, I'd be willing to switch to nn30 if people would stop assuming the guy was town for no reason.
What do you sr me for.


Why do you seem concerned about being scum read?
Why do you care?


I'm trying to figure you out hun.
Why didn't you just say so!
Well because I feel like with all these null reads on me I'll be put as "Maria can be scum" down the line so it's a really icky feeling also he's the first person to sr me I've been null by everyone else

PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2016 3:58 am
by Shadow_step
In post 823, implosion wrote:
shadow wrote:Show me a game with 2 town ascetic and I *might* reconsider.
Macho is not a neg utility like ascetic so this doesn't apply.

Three things.

One, please take a step back for a moment. The fact that you're saying you *might* reconsider if I show you very direct proof that you are wrong means you are being way too goddamn stubborn right now.
Two, there's a first time for everything. I'm not going to look through a thousand mini normals to find a game that has precisely two ascetics; it quite possibly hasn't happened, I have no idea if it has. That, again, does not make it bastard.
Three, ...what? Macho is straight-up a negative utility role. It's probably the single closest modifier to ascetic.

And @zoronos, site meta is very important when shadow's primary line of thought is "X would be bastard on this site, and this is a normal game, therefore X cannot be happening in this game." The first premise is flawed because he doesn't understand site meta.


one thing, I'd rather lynch Eager and be wrong than be wrong and not lynch ob scum.

PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2016 4:04 am
by Shadow_step
Yeah, just checked 20 games in the archive and not a single double role for town, forget such negative utility.

PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2016 4:06 am
by Shadow_step
In post 823, implosion wrote:Three, ...what? Macho is straight-up a negative utility role. It's probably the single closest modifier to ascetic.


No, it is used to stop, follow the cop. Nobody would claim Macho cause that person would most likely be a cop.
Whereas ascetics have to claim day 1.

PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2016 7:10 am
by podoboq
Official Vote Count 1.16
LynchingWith 13 votes in play, it takes 7 to lynch.

boring (3): eagerSnake, MariaR, implosion
eagerSnake (2): Shadow_step, boring
PenguinPower (2): Dierfire, Grendel
Gamma Emerald (1): PenguinPower
DierFire (1): Gamma Emerald
implosion (1): Prism
Shadow_step (1): nn30

Not Voting (2): Zoronos, Lil Uzi Vert


V/LA: Gamma Emerald

Deadline: (expired on 2016-10-18 15:22:00)

PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2016 7:12 am
by podoboq
In post 680, MariaR wrote:@Mod Do scum have day chat?

As per the rules of normalcy, this is clarified before game start.
In post 0, podoboq wrote:The mafia team has day and night chat

PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2016 9:21 am
by eagerSnake
In post 830, Shadow_step wrote:
In post 823, implosion wrote:
shadow wrote:Show me a game with 2 town ascetic and I *might* reconsider.
Macho is not a neg utility like ascetic so this doesn't apply.

Three things.

One, please take a step back for a moment. The fact that you're saying you *might* reconsider if I show you very direct proof that you are wrong means you are being way too goddamn stubborn right now.
Two, there's a first time for everything. I'm not going to look through a thousand mini normals to find a game that has precisely two ascetics; it quite possibly hasn't happened, I have no idea if it has. That, again, does not make it bastard.
Three, ...what? Macho is straight-up a negative utility role. It's probably the single closest modifier to ascetic.

And @zoronos, site meta is very important when shadow's primary line of thought is "X would be bastard on this site, and this is a normal game, therefore X cannot be happening in this game." The first premise is flawed because he doesn't understand site meta.


one thing, I'd rather lynch Eager and be wrong than be wrong and not lynch ob scum.


Lol. :facepalm:

PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2016 9:30 am
by PenguinPower
Well, that was a lot to catch up on after 8 hours of sleep.

VOTE: eagerSnake

This needs rope.

PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2016 9:31 am
by eagerSnake
I'm


Town

Lol

PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2016 9:33 am
by PenguinPower
Ok.

PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2016 9:34 am
by eagerSnake
Pp why do you.not already have rope if I'm scum I would followed the crowd screaming for your death earlier lol

Seriously, I'm town, get over it

PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2016 9:38 am
by Shadow_step
In post 839, eagerSnake wrote:Pp why do you.not already have rope if I'm scum I would followed the crowd screaming for your death earlier lol

Seriously, I'm town, get over it


Most ridiculous defense ever.

PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2016 9:39 am
by MariaR
:facepalm: I'M SO DONE AGAIN

PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2016 9:40 am
by eagerSnake
What do you want me to say? I played a perfect game fmpov, I'm only getting lynched because mod put 2 ascetic modifiers on town and you're sense about it

PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2016 9:40 am
by eagerSnake
Dense about it*

PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2016 9:40 am
by nn30
Let's hop into the mind of a Town!SS and evaluate what he's done.

The game starts - Snake claims his modifier.

He reacts to that modifier and thinks snake must be scum. I'm going to keep an eye on him and determine who his partners are.

Snake parks his vote on PP for the entire day.

Then, SS counter claims, and posts this read list.

In post 646, Shadow_step wrote:These are my reads

Town
(nn30, Zoronos)
(Grendel, boring)
(DF, implosion)
(Maria, LUV)
(PP, GE)
(Eager)
Scum




He's spent the whole game scum reading Eager. Why is the person Eager has parked his vote on on SS's scum list?

Eager participated in a wagon that had a very real chance of getting Penguin killed. This should remove any possibility that Penguin is Eager's scum partner.

PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2016 9:42 am
by PenguinPower
In post 844, nn30 wrote:Snake parks his vote on PP for the entire day.


He had his vote on me for less than 1 minute.

PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2016 9:44 am
by Shadow_step
In post 844, nn30 wrote:He's spent the whole game scum reading Eager. Why is the person Eager has parked his vote on on SS's scum list?


What the fuck are you talking about??

PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2016 9:45 am
by PenguinPower
That post was all sorts of bad.

PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2016 9:46 am
by eagerSnake
Nah if I was scum you literally learn nothing because I've had my vote parked on boring who had had no other votes

But I'm not scum so better prepare for instant lylo

PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2016 9:48 am
by nn30
In post 846, Shadow_step wrote:
In post 844, nn30 wrote:He's spent the whole game scum reading Eager. Why is the person Eager has parked his vote on on SS's scum list?


What the fuck are you talking about??



My horrible memory, that's what.

First point still stands. Eager almost got PP killed. How is he possibly on your scum list if Eager is too?