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[MathBlade]

Mainly because I "knew" scum were trying to mislynch me and I think I was in a hurry that day for work or something.

I wonder if "I have a confirmable role" would work. It doesn't hard-clear you, and it doesn't really game-solve, but it makes players reluctant to lynch you without at least asking what it is. And as an Innocent Child, gambits you try are very unlikely to backfire.

Probably would have but like I said in a rush.

[bji]

@Math: reading the dead thread, I finally got what this supposed insult was about. It was about when I referred to you as he/she/it. My apologies, that was not meant to be insulting, it was just meant to me awkwardly not knowing how to address a 'they'. I still don't know how to do it, because using 'they' for a singular person just wrecks the grammar part of my brain. No offense was intended. I eventually decided to just stop using pronouns for you, which is what I will do in future. Sorry again.

[Nero Cain]

I still can't believe that town saru and town nero let Thor escape with a no lynch. Come on! Even if you think he is town, he is obvious lynchbait the rest of the game, you don't just give scum a free night kill, you go ahead and reluctantly vote and hammer! Blah.

The idea of lynching a potentially town tracker b/c he would be lynchbait is a horrible idea.

[callforjudgement]

IMO Tracker's not powerful enough to refuse to lynch a player if the alternative's a no-lynch and you're on odds. A "free lynch" (which a lynch is, compared to a no lynch, while on odds) is worth more than a Cop shot is (less than two, but not by much). A Tracker shot or two is almost worthless in comparison (except with one scum left, when it's more powerful but still not worth it).

[MathBlade]

@Math: reading the dead thread, I finally got what this supposed insult was about. It was about when I referred to you as he/she/it. My apologies, that was not meant to be insulting, it was just meant to me awkwardly not knowing how to address a 'they'. I still don't know how to do it, because using 'they' for a singular person just wrecks the grammar part of my brain. No offense was intended. I eventually decided to just stop using pronouns for you, which is what I will do in future. Sorry again.

No worries. It is more the intent.

It is only people who don't try after I ask a lot that get on my nerves.

[Thor665]

I still can't believe that town saru and town nero let Thor escape with a no lynch. Come on! Even if you think he is town, he is obvious lynchbait the rest of the game, you don't just give scum a free night kill, you go ahead and reluctantly vote and hammer! Blah.

The idea of lynching a potentially town tracker b/c he would be lynchbait is a horrible idea.

I agree with this - I was Schrodinger's scum, and the quality of lynching me versus no lynching me could not be assessed properly till after lynching me.
If I'd flipped town people would be justly complaining of them derp hammering a town read who was a PR and it would have painted them scummier and hurt town's chances.

[karnos]

To Thor & Nero:

So scum who claim tracker always get a free ride in your games?

I've won as scum claiming a cop-ish role at L-1, and I've won as town lynching a claimed cop (who actually flipped cop) because it was the correct play, and at least by going through with the lynch we gained a lot of useful information (admittedly I was night-killed and the town won in my absence, but that is still a win). In that scum game, town has time to re-form a wagon and lybch someone else- if they resorted to a no-lynch it would have been an even easier scum win.

I'd bet overall you would do a lot better lynching last minute claimers, at least until the meta adjusts.

[MathBlade]

I think you have to measure the claim against play.

I genuinely thought Thor was a tracker mostly because of Tracer's play. However in the game you and I were scum there was no way you were a town neo and not lynching you was a crazy decision by Town.

[Thor665]

To Thor & Nero:

So scum who claim tracker always get a free ride in your games?

Hello straw man

But, in a general sense, if I null read a lynch, and said lynch claims a useful PR, and it is not mylo or lylo - yeah, that gets a pass from me.
If I town read a slot, unless the claim is actually scummy - I also give it a pass.
If I scum read a slot, unless the claim is very provable - I do not give it a pass.

Do you operate under a different scheme than that and want to debate pros/cons of a given method?

I'd bet overall you would do a lot better lynching last minute claimers, at least until the meta adjusts.

I fail to see particular logic in that - the timing of a claim is only suspect compared to the timing of the wagon. I had a last minute wagon on me so regardless of my alignment my claim was going to come late also, to be perfectly frank, I sort of think I wasn't going to be lynched regardless of a claim, and at the time I claimed if I'd been more awake and realized it was last minute I would have expressly not claimed just to leave more options open.

[karnos]

Do you operate under a different scheme than that and want to debate pros/cons of a given method?

Yes, and no. I guess I'm okay with the disagreement, it's just as likely that your current play style may help me in my next game, so I guess I shouldn't try too hard to change it.

[Thor665]

Which of my three lynch statements do you disagree with as a pro-town habit?

[bji]

I think you have to measure the claim against play.

I genuinely thought Thor was a tracker mostly because of Tracer's play. However in the game you and I were scum there was no way you were a town neo and not lynching you was a crazy decision by Town.

What about Tracer's play led you to believe that she was a tracker?

[Thor665]

I have five bucks on 'lurking due to being a PR' as the answer

[Nero Cain]

^

but I'd argue that may or may not have been lurking and there's no way to tell if he was lurking scum or inactive due to being busy.

[Thor665]

I'd actually tend to suggest that since he flaked, it shows it wasn't a strategy - but, yeah, I agree with your point.

[Nexus]

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