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[mhsmith0]

Votecount 6.01

Not Voting (3)havingfitz , Creature, CloudKicker

Day six deadline is Thursday December 22, 9 AM PST. (expired on 2016-12-22 09:00:00)

With 3 alive, it's 2 to lynch!

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[havingfitz]

I said i wasnt voting

I wish you had posted while he had his vote on me. That would have made things easier for me at least. Even though I've only been in the game a week or so I also would hate to screw it up for town after however many months it has been going.

I'm not voting either or you today (unless a scenario like the one I mention above takes place). I'm off in about 30 minutes to a holiday band concert and won't have any time to look at the game more closely until tomorrow. I should have most of tomorrow to read through stuff.

Cloud...what did you mean by the 50% thing with your claim?

Also...I'm town. Whichever of you is town needs to refrain from putting a vote on me.

[CloudKicker]

@fitz creature asked me which bg i was, so i went on the wiki to see what kind of bg there were. On em bg is a 50% save 50% kill the mafia leading kill, on mafia scum apprently this role is too swingy, the bg in mafia scum is 100% save and you trade yourself with the target

[CloudKicker]

And btw fitz, creature said he wanted to vote and i left the site to study. As mafia with 2months game i probably wouldve just refreshed until he voted i just went and doing my things because i wanted you to come back and produce content.

[havingfitz]

And btw fitz, creature said he wanted to vote and i left the site to study. As mafia with 2months game i probably wouldve just refreshed until he voted i just went and doing my things because i wanted you to come back and produce content.

I understand.

Did you use your PR? If you have mentioned it I haven't noticed.

[CloudKicker]

I did, the night arona got nked i was on BV

[CloudKicker]

So ive been rereading a bit from pages to pages with the new flip and considering rask is town, im leaning toward fitz atm but i will wait for tomorow and everyone rereading

[havingfitz]

I'm here and just starting to phone read over stuff for the next few hours.

Just so you both know where my head is at at the moment (but not that I care if scum knows)...I was expecting Cloud to be the NK last night.

If Cloud is scum...Jaack was really his only option as I do not think Cloud would have wanted a LYLO with someone equally regarded as town up to that point whereas both my slot and Creature's have had their fair share of suspicion.

@Cloud...why does Rask flipping town cause you to lean towards me? Because he suspected me? Just because townCloud was wrong, a lot....very wrong, about Rask doesn't mean Rask was suddenly right about me.

If Creature is scum...which I am leaning towards atm, I'm not sure killing Jaack or Cloud would have made a difference.

For which ever of you is town I would just re-iterate my overwhelmingly substantial meta of not lynching scum partners. I think I have done it once in 30+ games and that was in a game where both my partners were the leading wagons. I basically had no choice. I don't lynch partners and there was no need for me to begin in this game with Maria.

There were other options that had as much or more wagon traction as she did that would've resulted in a mislynch instead. In fact...I could have hammered Creature and we would have been in LYLO yesterday.

Actually...looking at the D4 voting...Cloud could have hammered Creature (who he had voted a good portion of D3) several times and spared his partner.

If scum Cloud saves his partner by hammering Creature we are in a LYLO of havingfitz, Rask, Jaack, Cloud and Maria. Which would have probably led to an easy mislynch on me D5 for the scum win.

Yeah...I'll read up some more but I'm talking myself more and more into Creature.

[havingfitz]

Creature read through:

1427 is an interesting post in hindsight.

Creature has votes on Sotty and Maria that eached reached L-1 very briefly, Sotty D2 for 3 pages and Maria D4 for 3 posts.

Creature consistently lumps Sotty and Maria in his scum pool.

1787...subtle Sotty defense by Creature.

1952...Maria has dropped in the Creature scumpool behing Cloud, GM/me and Hoopla.

2237...Maria back in top three replacing Cloud.

2546...

@Creature...

what did you mean when you said you'd be "flipping on my scumbuddy" regarding a Creature/Maria scum team?

2630...says Maria is least likely to flip town but on this gameday...never places a vote on her.

2640...the BV matrix says is either Maria and me OR Maria and Creature. fft

2649...finds Maria/GMme the most likely scumteam but is not voting anyone att and subsequent vote is on Hoopla.

3123...I know there isn't.

3199...Scumteam is Gmme/Maria and actually voting Maria, albeit with no one else on Maria and for only 2 pages.

3223...starting to feel GM slot is town but shortly after I replace in...begins pushing claim slip suspicions towards me (3338).

3340...Creature puts me at L-1 for what winds up being 56 posts. During which time Cloud makes several appearances and could have hammered me without too much backlash, achieved a mislynch and secured both scum to LYLO where Creature would have been a prime mislynch candidate for the scum win.

3394 by BV points to Maria/Creature fwiw

3407...still pushing the "knew claims" scumslip theory.

3416...@Creature...if meta is your main tool how can you repeatedly ignore my extensive scum meta and place votes on me that jeopardize town's wincon?

To both Creature and Cloud

....is my failure to submit a N4 nightskip AI in any way?

3627...actually VCA is only useless if you are town. If you are scum, VCA is staring right at you.

Cloud...

Read Creature's posts 3651/3671/3695 in order (ISOs 389-391). Basically where Creature says I am scum, Jaack will hammer Creature if Rask flips town, votes Rask. Rask=town...Jaack is gone...convenient for Creature.

I'm going to look through Cloud before placing my vote...but unless I see something very revealing implicating Cloud...I will be voting Creature. There is just too much pointing at him IMO and a vote on Cloud would be overthinking things and ignoring a lot of negatives towards Creature. Plus the fact Cloud avoided TWO hammers on D5 that would have spared a scumpartner are almost town confirming in my mind.

More later.

[CloudKicker]

Yea, i had hammer just about on everyone but rask/marar this game, both people i pushed d4

[CloudKicker]

Creature read through:

1427 is an interesting post in hindsight.

Creature has votes on Sotty and Maria that eached reached L-1 very briefly, Sotty D2 for 3 pages and Maria D4 for 3 posts.

Creature consistently lumps Sotty and Maria in his scum pool.

1787...subtle Sotty defense by Creature.

1952...Maria has dropped in the Creature scumpool behing Cloud, GM/me and Hoopla.

2237...Maria back in top three replacing Cloud.

2546...

@Creature...

what did you mean when you said you'd be "flipping on my scumbuddy" regarding a Creature/Maria scum team?

2630...says Maria is least likely to flip town but on this gameday...never places a vote on her.

2640...the BV matrix says is either Maria and me OR Maria and Creature. fft

2649...finds Maria/GMme the most likely scumteam but is not voting anyone att and subsequent vote is on Hoopla.

3123...I know there isn't.

3199...Scumteam is Gmme/Maria and actually voting Maria, albeit with no one else on Maria and for only 2 pages.

3223...starting to feel GM slot is town but shortly after I replace in...begins pushing claim slip suspicions towards me (3338).

3340...Creature puts me at L-1 for what winds up being 56 posts. During which time Cloud makes several appearances and could have hammered me without too much backlash, achieved a mislynch and secured both scum to LYLO where Creature would have been a prime mislynch candidate for the scum win.

3394 by BV points to Maria/Creature fwiw

3407...still pushing the "knew claims" scumslip theory.

3416...@Creature...if meta is your main tool how can you repeatedly ignore my extensive scum meta and place votes on me that jeopardize town's wincon?

To both Creature and Cloud

....is my failure to submit a N4 nightskip AI in any way?

3627...actually VCA is only useless if you are town. If you are scum, VCA is staring right at you.

Cloud...

Read Creature's posts 3651/3671/3695 in order (ISOs 389-391). Basically where Creature says I am scum, Jaack will hammer Creature if Rask flips town, votes Rask. Rask=town...Jaack is gone...convenient for Creature.

I'm going to look through Cloud before placing my vote...but unless I see something very revealing implicating Cloud...I will be voting Creature. There is just too much pointing at him IMO and a vote on Cloud would be overthinking things and ignoring a lot of negatives towards Creature. Plus the fact Cloud avoided TWO hammers on D5 that would have spared a scumpartner are almost town confirming in my mind.

More later.

Honestly, i thought about this a lot and this could be, i just dont know for which alignement it points to so im just going to discard that and not use it, im not banking this game on a read based on nightskip

[CloudKicker]

@Fitz about the jaack kill that looks convenient for creature, i also said many time that i thought creature probably wasnt with mariar and that i was looking at you/rask cross to solve the game, so imo scum!creature couldve make any kills. The other way, i also thing that im a more swingy player than jack so i might be more vulnerable to lylo ate i can see ppl not wanting to face jack in 3 way

[havingfitz]

The nightskip point is minor. I commented on it because it came up in my creature read.

Do you have any questions for me?

Off to Xmas luncheon in 10 minutes and appointment afterwards. Probably not back on till this evening.

[CloudKicker]

Not so much, i dont expect you to explain gm's play, im waiting for creature to comment too

[Creature]

I

[Creature]

I'm not sure anymore.

[Creature]

(accidentally pressed tab)

[CloudKicker]

Creature, this is textbook scumfliping

[CloudKicker]

You had a read d5 and d6 and somehow youre reconsidering

[CloudKicker]

Im not the best in lylo the convey and project my role because i can become really aggressive, but why is it even so hard to just rule out that im scum, because of the kill ? When do you even reconsider game reads from half the town based on scum actions, aka the night kill choice, how is that even a thing and optimal

[CloudKicker]

mafia is in gm/creature slot, i pro towned half game when i claimed, no reason to doubt me and like i said, i fully expected to be doubted with the night flip. Heatly doubting is fine but voting me here is scumclaiming

[CloudKicker]

Healthy*

[Creature]

I doubt I'll ever vote you.

[CloudKicker]

I feel like everyone is forgetting the whole game just because it ends up in lylo when i pro towned the shit out of this game, even tho i was wrong on rask i was correct on hoop, this is really annoying to me

[Creature]

Unless I type your name instead of havingfitz.