In post 1936, gerryoat wrote:Fitz is arguing that 2 people that could have hammered him are scum lol.
From reaction by fitz, and this post, I think it's gerry now, not quite sure on the second, but I feel this attempt to fake clear himself is scummy VOTE: gerryoat
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In post 1929, havingfitz wrote:Well I'm town 2F. I can't fight paranoia and gut. If there is something more tangible that you have issues with I can try to address those. But I hope gameplay guides your choices.
And as for who I have or haven't suspected and any changes I've made in reads...I think I have suspected everyone still alive at some point and had votes on everyone (except Gamma ironically iirc). Reason being? I'm town and do not know wtf scum is. Reads have changed. Shit has happened. Where I stand now is a gerry Cloud scumteam based on the fact I'm still alive and that neither of them have done anything pro-town that I can recall (gerry today....Cloud's slot ever).
Also,
Seriously Gamma
...vote gerry.
Cloud could have hammered you yesterday but didn't. Whys he a scum read? A mislynch yesterday helps scum get closer to a win not hurt it.
In post 1936, gerryoat wrote:Fitz is arguing that 2 people that could have hammered him are scum lol.
The whole not voting scum day 1 when i mentioned wanting to. As you can see here, the thing you're talking about. If you look at the timings of the three posts, you'll see that after i said that, he claimed bodyguard. He was scared that I was going to put him at L-1 which then made him claim Bodyguard 20 mins after i said I was thinking about voting him if Dave didn't get any more traction. Why would he go straight to claiming if he thought his mafia partner was just posturing and not really going to vote him. I will say again that the timing of the posts are very important, it was a mere 20 mins. I didn't have time to vote him because as soon as i implied i was going to, he went straight to claiming BG.
Can't lynch a claim without a counter, at least D1. Will reevaluate.
In post 619, gerryoat wrote:Why do people keep voting key? And why aren't more people voting PsychoticDave. -Grey- idk if you're new or anything, but you shouldn't have claimed right away like that, you weren't even on L-1 yet.
As you can see here, they said similar things that I did. And when he claimed, he unvoted. You werent even voting Grey at that time, you were focused on key. I thought key was lynchbait and was town. You thought Dave was lynchbait and was town. We both had different views but the same basic thought that one of them was lynchbait and one was scum. (In the end we were both wrong there)
In post 624, Tywin Lannister wrote:TwoFace: why is Dave lynchbait but key isn't? That's the question I've been wondering this whole time.
In post 623, Tywin Lannister wrote:I can explain the Dave case at least. Dave has posted all fluff/trash for the majority of his participation. He did answer my questions, but he ignored gerryoats' for some unknown reason. He ignored Rask's earlier questions as well, and I may be forgetting a few. He hasn't posted any reads, because he claimed all are null, but when pushed he did say grey (and key I believe, but I'm on phone so not positive). Regardless, he hasn't asked questions or scum hunted anyone by default. It could be a case of being unfamiliar with forum Mafia, but I'd assume he'd still try to participate when he was told how this works.
So basically, the Dave case boils down to him being 'useless,' which he agreed with when I asked his thoughts on that. His avoidance of answering questions looks scummy, and his lack of scum hunts does as well. He does continue to post, so he's not lurking in the strictest sense, but he's added nothing to help town. By definition, his play as been anti-town.
Wanna add anything to this Gerry?
He explained why we thought Dave was scum and we wanted to know why you didnt think Key was lynchbait as well.
Anyway, that's why I think it was a misunderstanding and I was gonna vote Grey had he not claimed BG 20 mins later. I believe my next post after that was 7 hours later at 4 PM. So i literally had no time. And I was not gonna lynch the BG claim. My argument here is that he had no reason to feel pressured to claim if he really thought I wasnt gonna vote him because I was his partner.
Here are all posts from hours before I posted. There was no objections to Gamma when he said that he had an intent to hammer, so I thought it was okay to hammer when i came back. But, even so, I didn't hammer right away. I gave more time as you can see from these posts.
In post 841, Gamma Emerald wrote:I'm thinking ssbm for one. That clears Gear imo. TF, JJD, and fitz aren't feeling particularly scummy, and Tywin is already clear.
That leaves gerry and LUV. I feel gerry is the more likely of the two.
You still haven't given a reason for scumreading me. Or is it only POE?
In post 844, gerryoat wrote:I can't believe Dave was town, he also should have pushed on -grey- harder.
I'm pretty sure there isn't a BG and a Doctor for town.
From the time that Gamma had intent to hammer and the time i hammered was 5+ hours with people talking inbetween including yourself. I waited an hour after my original post. You were talking and others were talking and no one asked for more time after gamma said that he had intent to hammer, so I figured hammering was okay at the time. Why didn't you say you wanted more time when Gamma said he had intent to hammer? That would have made things easier and not allowed a hammer if you wanted more time.
3.
You say that I lied about fitz slot having a good reason to fos me, and you not.
As you can remember, fitz slot was first occupied by Vij
In post 119, gerryoat wrote:Okay, I think we're out of that dumb phase, we can start playing the game now congrats everyone
VOTE: Gerryoat
This is a bad vote because you've played with me enough to know I say this every game. Did you finally flip maf and trying to push a vote, despite knowing that this is something that I regularly say?
In [url=/forum/viewtopic.php?p=8585117#p8585117]post 119[/url], gerryoat wrote:Okay, I think we're out of that dumb phase, we can start playing the game now congrats everyone
Three posts
"Hi"
"I dislike RVS"
"We're out of RVS yay!"
This is a very intentional effort to avoid moving the game foward. VOTE: Gerryoat
His vote on me is bad, but his reasoning isn't bad. I can see from his point of view from someone who hasn't played with me how this can seem. But, it's only been 5 pages, how do you expect me to move the game forward when the first 5 pages of so of every game people spout random votes on reaction test votes that are baseless?
As you can see by these posts, Gamma had experience with me, so he knew I did this type of things always so i thought it was a bad reason to fos me when he knows I do it all the time. Vij, on the other had has no experience with me, so from his point of view, I could see why he thought that I was just going through the motions or something like that.
In post 294, Vijarada wrote:P-Edit for Gerryoat: I think his unvote early in the game seemed pretty forced, and he's reached a couple of times in ways that I don't like. I also believe that his high activity is an illusion, as he asks many questions but does not provide a lot of opinions on his own (this is my first impression from a cursory ISO, it may turn out that this is not his activity at all, but that is what it seemed like).
He went on to explain it more, which I thought sounded reasonable.
The reason I thought that your scumread was unreasonable was because as I mentioned in #2. You said you didn't want a quick hammer, but you gave no objection to gamma when he said he had intent to hammer. and it was 5 hours after that that i hammered. So in my mind, i thought that you were just going to try and tunnel me like you did the last time to make me think that you were just town doing it again. In that sense, I might have messed up.
Anyway, sorry i couldnt give indepth answers before cause I really didnt have the time. If there is anything else you want me to answer, I can try to.
Sorry for the long post but I want everyone to read.
Ahhh....sigh.
Like I said....I'm town. So unless TwoFace or LUV were messing with town by not hammering me the multiple chances it got....then Cloud is scum too.
It's obvious Gamma is SK. Gamma you should kill TwoFace if you wanna chance to win, cause he's obvs not my partner. If you kill my partner you're in autoloss
Partner, don't kill Gamma, he needs to be alive tomorrow.
