Mini Normal 1862 - Town win.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Why, as scum, would she find it necessary to come up with a fake claim to mislynch you when you can be killed at night?

Miller is a pretty safe fakeclaim for Scum if you think about the mechanics and it away a guilty hit if I target him.

Leaving me alive would quickly cause town to paranoia lynch me because what scum team would leave a cop alive?

That's why I think our scumteam has the ascetic.

Between the ascetic and Brony claiming Miller, they have nothing to fear if I'm townreading the vulnerable scum, if there is any.

I've dealt with two outed cops, no matter what we decided strongmaning the cop is the way to go and be done with it. The longer you're alive, the more conf!townies we get. It's not a valid reason if the scum have even 1 iota of intelligence.


Okay so let me ask you this, why would a scum set up a 1v1 situation where if either X flips red/green Y is the inverse Day(N+1)?

Especially considering its this early in the game, we're not talking about MyLo but D1.

[Gamma Emerald]

Grey didn't switch anything up. Grey posted that he -was- leaving something out. His story is consistent start to finish.

No it isn't. Grey clearly implied that the missing piece of his role had some natural connection with another player - he specifically mentioned a counterpart. X-shot does not have a natural connection with another player, unless he is

still leaving things out

.

X-shot = crippled investigative = suggestive of second investigative role

You can die d2.

I actually had this thought. I played a game with cop + deputy once.

[-Grey-]

Brony/krylea/Gin is looking good as a scumteam to me.

[Human Sequencer]

I still think Asphodel isn't unlikely.

Dash needs to go today, krylea is definitely worth looking at tomorrow.

[krylea]

Grey didn't switch anything up. Grey posted that he -was- leaving something out. His story is consistent start to finish.

No it isn't. Grey clearly implied that the missing piece of his role had some natural connection with another player - he specifically mentioned a counterpart. X-shot does not have a natural connection with another player, unless he is

still leaving things out

.

X-shot = crippled investigative = suggestive of second investigative role

You can die d2.

Grey didn't switch anything up. Grey posted that he -was- leaving something out. His story is consistent start to finish.

No it isn't. Grey clearly implied that the missing piece of his role had some natural connection with another player - he specifically mentioned a counterpart. X-shot does not have a natural connection with another player, unless he is

still leaving things out

.

X-shot = crippled investigative = suggestive of second investigative role

You can die d2.

I actually had this thought. I played a game with cop + deputy once.

Thats fair. I didn't think of that angle.

[Rainbowdash]

Grey didn't switch anything up. Grey posted that he -was- leaving something out. His story is consistent start to finish.

No it isn't. Grey clearly implied that the missing piece of his role had some natural connection with another player - he specifically mentioned a counterpart. X-shot does not have a natural connection with another player, unless he is

still leaving things out

.

*ding ding ding*

What is the counterpart to a cop? Miller.
What is the counterpart to a X-Shot Cop? Still Miller.

Two X-Shot Cops is going to be a massively townsided setup because you get two N1 investigations. You can have a backup/deputy but why would he think im trying to counter with that?

Grey probably has me pegged as miller and is getting bailed out by HS here.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Anyone that tries to work out the whole fucking thing is scum? LMFAO

[Gamma Emerald]

Hold up

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

*freezes mid sentence*

[Rainbowdash]

Real cop should still not be claiming here though. Worst case I get lynched, everypony hypo claims (If I was a cop I investigated X and got Y result) and then you quick lynch Grey tomorrow.

[-Grey-]

Grey didn't switch anything up. Grey posted that he -was- leaving something out. His story is consistent start to finish.

No it isn't. Grey clearly implied that the missing piece of his role had some natural connection with another player - he specifically mentioned a counterpart. X-shot does not have a natural connection with another player, unless he is

still leaving things out

.

*ding ding ding*

What is the counterpart to a cop? Miller.
What is the counterpart to a X-Shot Cop? Still Miller.

Two X-Shot Cops is going to be a massively townsided setup because you get two N1 investigations. You can have a backup/deputy but why would he think im trying to counter with that?

Grey probably has me pegged as miller and is getting bailed out by HS here.

BECAUSE MILLER CLAIMS ARE SUCH A THREAT TO SCUM!

[Alisae]

^(alisae) worth noting in the moment that this looks bussy as fuck at a glance, not digging into it too deep atm though

I could see how you think that, but I have a bit more behind this besides Rainbow Dash not believing the Cop Claim.

I also feel as if RainbowDash could have told Gamma that asking Asectics to claim is stupid for a reason. To make a long story short, I feel as if he told Gamma not to ask for Asectic claims so that he can build paranoia in the town.

[-Grey-]

Lynch Dash today, I die tonight, lynch kry tomorrow, hopefully second investigative catches third.

[Human Sequencer]

Why, as scum, would she find it necessary to come up with a fake claim to mislynch you when you can be killed at night?

Miller is a pretty safe fakeclaim for Scum if you think about the mechanics and it away a guilty hit if I target him.

Leaving me alive would quickly cause town to paranoia lynch me because what scum team would leave a cop alive?

That's why I think our scumteam has the ascetic.

Between the ascetic and Brony claiming Miller, they have nothing to fear if I'm townreading the vulnerable scum, if there is any.

I've dealt with two outed cops, no matter what we decided strongmaning the cop is the way to go and be done with it. The longer you're alive, the more conf!townies we get. It's not a valid reason if the scum have even 1 iota of intelligence.


Okay so let me ask you this, why would a scum set up a 1v1 situation where if either X flips red/green Y is the inverse Day(N+1)?

Especially considering its this early in the game, we're not talking about MyLo but D1.

You are incorrect. An outted cop will not survive long and conf-townies are not as helpful in the situation dash was trying to manufacture.

@dash that's not the point. Miller + Scum Ascetic is just not likely. Grey isn't trying to imply that there was necessarily a counterpart to his x-shot cop, more that a second investigative role isn't so unlikely.
If you are miller, grey obviously dies tomorrow.

[Rainbowdash]

BECAUSE MILLER CLAIMS ARE SUCH A THREAT TO SCUM!

Sure is here.

You die here then what? Do your partners waste a shot on me or do they try to find the real cop? Busting a cop claim as a miller is probably a first though. Not sure ive seen this one done before.

Feels like a long time ago when I broke a setup so badly that town though I was scum.

[-Grey-]

BECAUSE MILLER CLAIMS ARE SUCH A THREAT TO SCUM!

Sure is here.

You die here then what? Do your partners waste a shot on me or do they try to find the real cop? Busting a cop claim as a miller is probably a first though. Not sure ive seen this one done before.

Feels like a long time ago when I broke a setup so badly that town though I was scum.

^obvscumposting

Cop claims don't die d1 period, even if they're shitty claims.

Doing so denies town information if the claimer actually is a cop and actually does live through the night due to a protective role.

Only Scum has the need to see a cop claim lynched because not doing so forces you to shoot me and pray I'm not protected.

[krylea]

Why, as scum, would she find it necessary to come up with a fake claim to mislynch you when you can be killed at night?

Miller is a pretty safe fakeclaim for Scum if you think about the mechanics and it away a guilty hit if I target him.

Leaving me alive would quickly cause town to paranoia lynch me because what scum team would leave a cop alive?

That's why I think our scumteam has the ascetic.

Between the ascetic and Brony claiming Miller, they have nothing to fear if I'm townreading the vulnerable scum, if there is any.

I've dealt with two outed cops, no matter what we decided strongmaning the cop is the way to go and be done with it. The longer you're alive, the more conf!townies we get. It's not a valid reason if the scum have even 1 iota of intelligence.


Okay so let me ask you this, why would a scum set up a 1v1 situation where if either X flips red/green Y is the inverse Day(N+1)?

Especially considering its this early in the game, we're not talking about MyLo but D1.

You are incorrect. An outted cop will not survive long and conf-townies are not as helpful in the situation dash was trying to manufacture.

@dash that's not the point. Miller + Scum Ascetic is just not likely. Grey isn't trying to imply that there was necessarily a counterpart to his x-shot cop, more that a second investigative role isn't so unlikely.
If you are miller, grey obviously dies tomorrow.

Err...why are we assuming ascetic is scum? Or that there is only one, like Gamma pointed out earlier?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Fuck this role modifier bullshit.

1. So we have a cop we can invest people
2. Ascetics who can't be invested
3. Millers who can't be accurately invested.
4. An Ascetic enabler, who if they die, ascetics no longer exist.

Is this accurate to what we have in the game? (At least claimed that we do)

[Rainbowdash]

Cop claims don't die d1 period, even if they're shitty claims.

Exactly why he is scum. He claims what he thinks is a 100% free pass.

Like I said, absolute worst case he is scum and I get lynched here. Real cop should probably target HS just incase they were town unlucky enough to accidently buy Grey and extra day.

[-Grey-]

Cop claims don't die d1 period, even if they're shitty claims.

Doing so denies town information if the claimer actually is a cop and actually does live through the night due to a protective role.

Only Scum has the need to see a cop claim lynched because not doing so forces you to shoot me and pray I'm not protected.

Want to find scum? Start with those who have pushed for my lynch today

after

my claim.

[Alisae]

2. Ascetics who can't be invested

Who says we are garenteed to ahve Ascetics?

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

Alisae girl, look at my parenthesis. I'm trying to get the theoretical picture before I deduce what's closest to the truth.

[-Grey-]

Cop claims don't die d1 period, even if they're shitty claims.

Exactly why he is scum. He claims what he thinks is a 100% free pass.

Like I said, absolute worst case he is scum and I get lynched here. Real cop should probably target HS just incase they were town unlucky enough to accidently buy Grey and extra day.

Your tears are delicious.

[Rainbowdash]

Want to find scum? Start with those who have pushed for my lynch today after my claim.

And here come the intimidation attempts to try and keep votes off of him. Seriously how are these actions remotely town?

[Alisae]

I don't remember seeing anyone claim Ascetic. Yet again I don't exaclty have the best attention span.

So Gin, let me ask you again. What makes you so sure we have Ascetics. It's only confirmed that we have an enabler.