Mini Normal 1862 - Town win.

[All Alone]

So I've still got a vote on Ircher.

I don't like this. In my experience scum are more likely to just "suddenly remember" who they're voting than town. Outside of RVS, it's very unlikely that a townie forgets who they're voting for in the first place.

I do think there have been a lot of things he's done that look pretty scummy, but my suspicion of him has been mitigated by

Also:

Ascetic should claim now. Failure to do so is an auto-lynch in the future should you be proven to be an ascetic.

which I feel is a risky post coming from scum.

What even is this. Ircher's post here isn't really risky, it's just standard play when town wants a claim. I really can't see a townie who was genuinely skeptical of Ircher dropping that skepticism because of this post.

So I'll vote VOTE: Flubbernugget who I've actually liked more the more I've seen from him, but whose original vote on the me wagon along with his strange intro make me suspicious.

I don't like this either. I don't see a town motive for voting someone, and then immediately following it up with a punch-pull like that. When townies vote, regardless of whether it's for lynching, pressure, information, or even just spite, they usually want that vote to have the maximum possible effect. The immediate punch-pull comes off like Asphodel isn't motivated by any of those things. Scums are mush more happy to avoid getting into a fight, and I think that's exactly why Asphodel worded his Flubber vote this way.

I'll gladly lynch either Alisae or Asphodel today, they both read very scummy to me.

[All Alone]

VOTE: Asphodel

let's push this wagon

[Ircher]

UNVOTE:

You may be lying but I see no reason to lynch a possible lie if you can fall on your own actions.

If you fake any guilty results on a townie, then we will know you're scum and we got the next days lynch being you.
If you fake any town reads on a scum, well it creates WIFOM about the players alignment but I'm doubting you'd risk connecting yourself to your scum team via night action like that.

If you are cop, and get a guilty then we know how that battle proceeds when its TvS.
If you are cop, and get a townie, then we know a townie.

The only possibility that is bad with keeping you alive is the WIFOMy fake town reads you could produce but that can be expected with any cop.

I see no further reason to push a lynch on you but I'll be straight up, I won't have your trust till D2.

What about No Result?

[Gamma Emerald]

No Result is an interesting case, and the reason I suggest we not lynch me.

[-Grey-]

The reason I am 180ing is because I have a plan for seeing if Grey is really a cop.

I'm sure my death will clear things up nicely.

[Ircher]

I think I have my head out of my ass now. I think optimal play is to leave me alive, AND NO ASCETIC CLAIMS.

No, the ascetics need to claim if they exist.

[Gamma Emerald]

I think I have my head out of my ass now. I think optimal play is to leave me alive, AND NO ASCETIC CLAIMS.

No, the ascetics need to claim if they exist.

NO. ASCETIC CLAIMS AT THIS POINT ARE ANTITOWN.

[Ircher]

No, they need to claim.

[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]

If an ascetic claims, then that means they're a power role. If you're scum and a town ascetic claims, you just directed the scums kill to our power roles.

So what again is the benefit of outing a power role?

[TwoFace]

No, they need to claim.

please stop. you have already spewed enough stupid this game. you clearly don't know wtf you're talking about.

[Ircher]

It doesn't out a PR and knowing who's ascetic decreases the WIFOM involved in night results. Besides, Grey already claimed Cop and there is an 80% chance he's the N1 night kill target if town.

Pedit: Yes, I do.

[TwoFace]

but he's probably not town so it's a moot point

[krylea]

No, they need to claim.

Yeah no, fuck this shit.

[TwoFace]

while it doesn't 100% out a pr, it most likely does cause Ascetic townie is just stupid. usually the modifer is attached to a power role of some sort.

[Ircher]

Which is why I'm surprised Grey isnt Ascetic to stop Follow-the-Cop.

[Gamma Emerald]

I have a plan, and outting it doesn't ruin it. Should I state my plan?

[Ircher]

Though, I see it more likely that Gamma is scum with a red herring role.

So, VOTE: Gamma

Pedit: Depends.

[Ircher]

How many assumptions does the plan make?

[krylea]

Though, I see it more likely that Gamma is scum with a red herring role.

So, VOTE: Gamma

Pedit: Depends.

You are making zero sense. Gamma is definitely not scum, and whatever you are trying to do is hurting town, not helping it.

[TwoFace]

well he's scum himself so he doesn't care about helping town.

[Gamma Emerald]

How many assumptions does the plan make?

One: nothing to interfere with it.

[Ircher]

Yes, I'm scum and on purposely broadcasting such.

Don't be silly. I have my ~reasons~.

Pedit: Ok, I'll listen to it.

[Gamma Emerald]

I think it's best to state my plan.
No ascetics claim. If Grey claims a result on an ascetic he gets lynched.

[Ircher]

Ugh....

VOTE: Asphodel
L-2

[-Grey-]

I think it's best to state my plan.
No ascetics claim. If Grey claims a result on an ascetic he gets lynched.

All scum has to do if I get a guilty is claim to be ascetic.

That's brilliant.

No. Guilty claims need to be lynched, period. If the guilty flips town, then obviously I'm scum.