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Alisae · Post Post #700 (ISO) » Wed Jan 25, 2017 10:12 am

In post 697, PranaDevil wrote:Hold up, that last line I really, really do not like. If we let him live scum will NK him sounds like you know he's town and scum need him out of the way.

Okay, why wouldn't scum kill him?
And I believe the claim.

ThinkBig · Post Post #701 (ISO) » Wed Jan 25, 2017 10:12 am

In post 697, PranaDevil wrote:Hold up, that last line I really, really do not like. If we let him live scum will NK him sounds like you know he's town and scum need him out of the way.

I disagree with that interpretation.

ISO · Post Post #702 (ISO) » Wed Jan 25, 2017 10:16 am

Nineteenth Votecount

:

karnos - 4 (Garmr, XnadrojX, BlueBloodedToffee, PranaDevil)

All Alone - 2 (Lexa, LicketyQuickety)

BlueBloodedToffee - 2 (TheRealGin-N-Tonic, Alisae)
ThinkBig - 1 (shannon)
LicketyQuickety - 1 (All Alone)
XnadrojX - 1 (karnos)

Not Voting - 2 (Pepchoninga, ThinkBig)

With

13

alive, it takes

7

to lynch.

karnos is at L-3.

Day 1's deadline is Friday, February 10th, @ 2:30 PM PST--(expired on 2017-02-10 14:30:00).

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Garmr · Post Post #703 (ISO) » Wed Jan 25, 2017 11:43 am

Wow people believe karnos's fake claim?

Garmr · Post Post #704 (ISO) » Wed Jan 25, 2017 11:45 am

if karnos was really vengeful townie he would of hammered himself and then shot me or jordan. This is clearly a survival move because his afraid of a lynch.

Alisae · Post Post #705 (ISO) » Wed Jan 25, 2017 11:50 am

Garmr that's cool an all, but we have 15 DAYS LEFT!

Garmr · Post Post #706 (ISO) » Wed Jan 25, 2017 11:57 am

In post 705, Alisae wrote:Garmr that's cool an all, but we have 15 DAYS LEFT!

While I'm in no rush I also don't mind if we lynch since we have like 29 pages. I just don't want the wagon to fall apart.

LicketyQuickety · Post Post #707 (ISO) » Wed Jan 25, 2017 11:57 am

In post 704, Garmr wrote:if karnos was really vengeful townie he would of hammered himself and then shot me or jordan. This is clearly a survival move because his afraid of a lynch.

That's not a bad point actually.

LicketyQuickety · Post Post #708 (ISO) » Wed Jan 25, 2017 11:58 am

Is anyone Town reading AA? If so Why?

LicketyQuickety · Post Post #709 (ISO) » Wed Jan 25, 2017 12:04 pm

In post 697, PranaDevil wrote:
In post 690, Alisae wrote:
In post 686, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Nah, Karnos is a great lynch.

He is trying to scare away a potential hammer by saying he might shoot them.
You're not wrong. He is a great lynch.
Is he trying to scare away a potential hammer? Nah. I think we have more time to spend and we could be looking elsewhere, that's all.
Plus if we do decide to let him live, scum will just NK him.
Hold up, that last line I really, really do not like. If we let him live scum will NK him sounds like you know he's town and scum need him out of the way.

Can anyone explain the sudden BBT voting to me please?

I disagree with the last line that Alisae said as well, but my reason is that there is not enough info to say that. I don't think Pranas conclusion should be that specific. Its kinda "meh" to me considering that Prana has been pretty on point this game, so I don't know that I like it because its a bit reachy.

In post 698, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:
In post 689, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:I mean, I think you're scum, but do I really need to explain to you why you're scum?

Probably not.

Yeah, I get that, but its almost too obvious? I'm not saying I town read BBT for that, but its worth considering that Scum might not admit that. Then again, based on what I know of BBT (I read a game/dead thread he was in) I think he could very well pull this off as Scum.

Conclusion: Its NAI.

LicketyQuickety · Post Post #710 (ISO) » Wed Jan 25, 2017 12:08 pm

In post 700, Alisae wrote:
In post 697, PranaDevil wrote:Hold up, that last line I really, really do not like. If we let him live scum will NK him sounds like you know he's town and scum need him out of the way.
Okay, why wouldn't scum kill him?
And I believe the claim.

Why do you believe the claim?

LicketyQuickety · Post Post #711 (ISO) » Wed Jan 25, 2017 12:11 pm

In post 686, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Nah, Karnos is a great lynch.

He is trying to scare away a potential hammer by saying he might shoot them.

BBT has been pretty underwhelming I will definitely admit.

Starting to think this might be Scum unless they can provide something better than this.

LicketyQuickety · Post Post #712 (ISO) » Wed Jan 25, 2017 12:13 pm

In post 696, ThinkBig wrote:UNVOTE:

Naked unvote. Not only that but AFAICT AA didn't do anything in between the time TB voted AA and then Unvoted.

Could be because he was drunk?

Alisae · Post Post #713 (ISO) » Wed Jan 25, 2017 12:13 pm

Actually.
What we can do is we could leash who Karnos kills.
Suggest like 3 names for him to kill.
And then he kills whoever out of that pool.
Good idea anyone if the claim is real?

ThinkBig · Post Post #714 (ISO) » Wed Jan 25, 2017 12:33 pm

In post 704, Garmr wrote:if karnos was really vengeful townie he would of hammered himself and then shot me or jordan. This is clearly a survival move because his afraid of a lynch.

This is a good point. I don't TR karnos and don't believe his claim. However, I am not sure we should end the day phase so early.

In post 708, LicketyQuickety wrote:Is anyone Town reading AA? If so Why?

No.

In post 713, Alisae wrote:Actually.
What we can do is we could leash who Karnos kills.
Suggest like 3 names for him to kill.
And then he kills whoever out of that pool.
Good idea anyone if the claim is real?

Who do you suggest that he kills?

Lexa · Post Post #715 (ISO) » Wed Jan 25, 2017 12:34 pm

In post 693, LicketyQuickety wrote:I also think at the very least we shouldn't hammer until Lexa makes their catchup post. I don't like the way Lexa comes in at L-1 and says they will make a catch up post in the next day or so. Makes it look like they don't want to contribute much.

I was vla until yesterday and there's 30 pages to go through. Not really my fault of the timing is at L-1.

LicketyQuickety · Post Post #716 (ISO) » Wed Jan 25, 2017 12:41 pm

In post 715, Lexa wrote:
In post 693, LicketyQuickety wrote:I also think at the very least we shouldn't hammer until Lexa makes their catchup post. I don't like the way Lexa comes in at L-1 and says they will make a catch up post in the next day or so. Makes it look like they don't want to contribute much.
I was vla until yesterday and there's 30 pages to go through. Not really my fault of the timing is at L-1.

I wasn't putting any judgements on the timing necessarily, but it is convenient.

That said, the real thing I was after was a quality post from you before EOD.

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Post Post #717 (ISO) » Wed Jan 25, 2017 12:42 pm

Okay what does EOD mean?

Lexa · Post Post #718 (ISO) » Wed Jan 25, 2017 12:51 pm

End of day. I intend to do so assuming hammer doesn't occur before then

PranaDevil · Post Post #719 (ISO) » Wed Jan 25, 2017 12:57 pm

Phone call wiped my response, will try and write it up again as close to what I initially said.

The way the karnos wagon stopped so quick is bad. I don't trust the role claim by itself, and thus the sudden diving off screams scum wanting to either avoud a lynch on a Vengeful, or scum hopping off a buddy, either way I feel scum stalled that lynch rather than town.

Alisae, why do you belueve the claim? As in, other than the claim itself, what did karnos do that made you believe it was coming from town?

Gin, why did you answer what I said to Alisae? Answering something like that just gives scum a chance to hide their intentions, it smells a bit like you're saying it on his behalf almost.

Regarding karnos self hammering, that would be a shitty idea, vengeful or otherwise. For a start, if you know someone is town you would never hammer them, same should go for self hammering. If you're town you would be voting for known town, a crap idea.

If you're scum self hammering, again, stupid idea as you reduce the odds of your side winning. Without your vote town may vote elsewhere.

In short the fact karnos didn't self hammer is not a tell in either direction, other than proving he's not a complete dumbass. In fact the only time a vengeful should be self voting is to trick scum into hammering, which is great fun in lylo (did it myself).

I also still don't het the BBT votes here. Like, seriously, explain the case beyond quoting the post, I can read that post, I can't read your reasoning. Failure to do so will result in me believing you are scum attempting to push someone for nothing.

I believe they were all the points I needed to hit.

Oh yeah, Alisae, scum might not kill him if karnos is town if they feel his scum reads are off and may kill someone else if he's lynched, especially as, if he is town, at this stage he would be an easy mislynch for scum. Plus, if there are protective roles they may protect him, or not NK'ing him could create confusion... that's just off the top of my head, it would be a ton of WIFOM, but I can see exactly why scum would leave town karnos alive. Add in he may be scum and that's another great reason he could survive night.

EBWOP: Yeah, that unvote was definitely bollocks, TB, explain yourself.

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Post Post #720 (ISO) » Wed Jan 25, 2017 1:02 pm

I saw my name and will respond to what I read first because ego. I flat out said what you were saying was untrue and a false push. There was no way I was letting you start a push on someone when you're already wrong before you started arguing.

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Post Post #721 (ISO) » Wed Jan 25, 2017 1:04 pm

Also the fact that you can't find out why BBT's post is scum worthy concerns me a lot

PranaDevil · Post Post #722 (ISO) » Wed Jan 25, 2017 1:07 pm

No, there's a difference between believing I was wrong, and knowing it. Unless you are privvy to peoples roles and alignments, you definitely do not "know" I was wrong. Plus, either way, you stepped in before the person it was directed at could say anything. I will again point out there is zero town reason for that as it lessens available info, both on me and Alisae, that could have been used later.

Also the fact you refuse to give any reasons behind BBTs post being scum worthy concerns me a lot.

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Post Post #723 (ISO) » Wed Jan 25, 2017 1:08 pm

You're cheeky, I also like to use other people's words on them

TheRealGin-N-Tonic · Post Post #724 (ISO) » Wed Jan 25, 2017 1:10 pm

Prana, there was no way you didn't think it was a perspective slip. You would be pushing a perspective slip on something that is seriously talked about as normal and can be said by town.

Have you even tried to look into BBTs post and at least guess why it's scummy?