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[Gamma Emerald]

Thank goodness
Read lists and VCAs all over the world are rejoicing

[MMM]

GE is scum.

I think Gamma is actual scum.

I'll Lynch ge

Weak pushes against GE. He then had a strong push on GE. Then another weak push towards the end of the day. So this could be a possibility.

Mario maybe scum but I do agree with 696

I think I forgot to quote a lot of posts I wanted to quote but he has occasionally weakly pushed MM4 as well.

3 Votes for Ray (no IDGAF because lynching lurkers Day 1 seems like a bad policy)

I disagree with tht greatly -- lurkers ar good lynches if there are no better alternatives in my opinin.

You're Mafia??

Btw Ircher I saw your post I'll talk to you later

Note that he never got to talk to Ircher just as well. Though, at the same time, I think scum would be motivated to cut this conversation short regardless of Ircher's alignment, and it could be a frame... so Ircher could be scum, but if I decide he is, I don't wanna base it off of MortFeld being killed at night.

Been leaning town on Mort but not caring for his multiple excuse posts the last page or two.

Go f**k yourself

Probably not the best post to quote for this but it gets the point across lol

I'd vote PP.

This is a thing too.

Hey, Mort. Will you sum up your reads for me?

Titus havingfitz - likely scum
Ircher - nullscumish
Transcend WhemeStar - town
TwoFace - town
MarioManiac4 - idk, nullscumish
BigYoshiFan - town
Gamma Emerald - scum
Tarkus - maybe town but I want them to DO more
NotTheRealPaul -Grey- RayFrost - grey was very effortful but said some things I didn't like
ChannelDelibird PenguinPower - null
MMM - town
Hikari Link - town

Gamma seems to be egging on the titus/fitz lynch on the basis of having a tell that works if the slot flips scum, but his only reason for thinking it's scum is that Titus changed her transcend read. Like, I think the reason for the scumread is weak, and wanting a lynch to verify a tell that only works if the slot is scum is awfully convenient for scum trying to push this lynch.

He hasn't been exploring other options for a while now and I think tunneling on titus to this extent for the reasons he has given is scummy.

Plus after looking back on the earlier stuff I see what you're saying Mort. Makes more sense to me than most cases at this point.

Is this still the extent of your Gamma read, Tarkus?

This gamestate is awful. I'm not just complaining, I think it's this way for a reason and that reason is not just TF/Titus/Transcend/Fitz fighting. I don't know what the reason is but there is a large set {Tarkus, Ircher, GE, MM4} and you might throw me in there not counting the first few pages and maybe MMM, who are implicitly keeping the gamestate where it is by posting yet having very few game-related interactions. This is scummy and I think there is absolutely scum in this set.

Hikari Link/Kelvin is not scum. I do not like that people are shading them for trying to move the gamestate along. People who have done this are Wheme and Yoshi. Maybe Yoshi should be in the above set too.

I am very hesitant on PP. I think I am always suspicious of PP. PP replaced into a shitshow so I don't blame him for sheeping my reads. How he determined I am worth sheeping? I don't know. This is the main reason I was willing to vote him. But by my hidden metric (which I am working on game by game and which I can't reveal because it can be manipulated) he feels town. Again this is a metric for myself and myself alone and it's not the end all be all of how I read people but it has been very useful in the couple of games I've used it.

Wheme is Wheme. He's probably town.

I will vote anyone in that set above with the exception of Yoshi, MMM, and obviously myself. I don't think I want to vote anyone outside that set other than Fitz.

And finally his read lists.

What I think we gain from this is, based on scum killing him for read accuracy:
- Gamma, Mario, PP, Fitz, Tarkus and Ircher are good places to look for scum
- Yoshi, Kelvin and me (I mean, duh) are town [this does not line up with my previous read on Yoshi - I'll need to re-evaluate him]

[MMM]

This is semi rushed since I'm going to foods but I'll elaborate on whatever you guys want

[MMM]

Last thing before I go...

So probably voting fitz today. Especially if cop decides to cc the watcher claim.

How does the existence of a Cop prove that there's no Watcher? Do you by any chance mean you're expecting a Cop to have a result on the Watcher...? Because otherwise I'd see no reason for there to be both a Cop and a Watcher in the same setup. (Though, then again, I'm used to making crazier setups, so might be biased)

[Kelvin Smith]

So probably voting fitz today. Especially if cop decides to cc the watcher claim.

I can see if there's a guilty on him, but why are you prepared to vote him before even seeing what he brings? We should give him a chance to prove his claim legitimate.

[Gamma Emerald]

In Normals it's generally rare to have multiple Strong investigative roles in the same game and Cop and Watcher are some of the strongest.

[MarioManiac4]

VOTE: MMM

[Gamma Emerald]

Why?

[TwoFace]

Last thing before I go...

So probably voting fitz today. Especially if cop decides to cc the watcher claim.

How does the existence of a Cop prove that there's no Watcher? Do you by any chance mean you're expecting a Cop to have a result on the Watcher...? Because otherwise I'd see no reason for there to be both a Cop and a Watcher in the same setup. (Though, then again, I'm used to making crazier setups, so might be biased)

1. Because I think it's unlikely to have full watcher and cop. Possible? Sure but unlikely imo.
2. No I don't expect the cop to investigate the watcher. I do expect a cop to cc at some point though.

[TwoFace]

So probably voting fitz today. Especially if cop decides to cc the watcher claim.

I can see if there's a guilty on him, but why are you prepared to vote him before even seeing what he brings? We should give him a chance to prove his claim legitimate.

He is still my top scum read and I don't believe the claim. I don't lynch claimed roles day 1, but we are now in Day 2.

Plus he didn't die

[TwoFace]

Btw I haven't voted yet so clearly I'm waiting...

[Kelvin Smith]

So probably voting fitz today. Especially if cop decides to cc the watcher claim.

I can see if there's a guilty on him, but why are you prepared to vote him before even seeing what he brings? We should give him a chance to prove his claim legitimate.

He is still my top scum read and I don't believe the claim. I don't lynch claimed roles day 1, but we are now in Day 2.

Plus he didn't die

Yeah, but he's pretty heavily suspected, so if his claim's true, killing him seems like a wasted move when a mislynch of him is pretty easy. I'm not saying I think he's town, just that he should be given some sort of chance. Though I agree that if we've got a Cop, we should lynch him. That said, a Cop claim right now would be ideal.

Btw I haven't voted yet so clearly I'm waiting...

I didn't say you weren't, but based on what you're saying, it kinda feels like it's just a formality at this point.

[havingfitz]

I watched Ray. No one visited him.

I think there's also a chance Mort was killed because scum were worried about targeting stronger town reads (TwoFace, Kelvin) because of potential town pr actions such as me or ex. a doc. Not sure any other town prs would effect scum's nk choice.

And obtw...I didn't feel the need to clarify this assumption yesterday but I'm not a full watcher. I'm Two-Shot. So one watch left.

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah fitz is town

[TwoFace]

I watched Ray.

VOTE: fitz

[havingfitz]

Yeah fitz is town

While I agree....why do you think so?

[Gamma Emerald]

Last Xnadroj game had a 2 shot cop, so I am inclined to believe 2-shot watcher.

[havingfitz]

Btw I haven't voted yet so clearly I'm waiting...

it kinda feels like it's just a formality at this point.

VOTE: fitz

Lol....

[havingfitz]

Plus he didn't die

Why are you alive?

[TwoFace]

Cause you're buddies and you think I'm not really a threat

[havingfitz]

Last Xnadroj game had a 2 shot cop, so I am inclined to believe 2-shot watcher.

I wasn't aware he liked modifiers but if that's your logic...its right in this instance.

[havingfitz]

Cause you're buddies and you think I'm not really a threat

? I don't get what you're saying.

[BigYoshiFan]

Last Xnadroj game had a 2 shot cop, so I am inclined to believe 2-shot watcher.

At school, but this connection holds no credibility to me.

[Gamma Emerald]

Last Xnadroj game had a 2 shot cop, so I am inclined to believe 2-shot watcher.

I wasn't aware he liked modifiers but if that's your logic...its right in this instance.

I was an Ascetic Enabler in that aforementioned game so yeah, dude likes modifiers

[TwoFace]

but why are you prepared to vote him before even seeing what he brings?

Btw I haven't voted yet so clearly I'm waiting...

What was lol about me doing exactly what I said?

You brought nothing. You voted the entirely wrong person.

No chance you are town.

Who the fuck watches ray? Like really?

Town watcher should be on somebody universally town read. Ray imo wasn't