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Alisae · Post Post #2350 (ISO) » Mon Jul 24, 2017 6:29 pm

It doesn't matter how many roses you add to a fucking wasteland to attempt to make it look beautiful
at the end of the day
it is still a wasteland.

It doesn't matter what all of your points are for your narative and agenda, and how you do it.
You are still pushing a narative and an agenda.

Alisae · Post Post #2351 (ISO) » Mon Jul 24, 2017 6:34 pm

In post 2349, ReplacedIn wrote:Effectively what I'm saying is, you've gone from "I scum read ReplacedIn, 1v1" almost instantly upon our interaction at daystart, then gone through Eeves ISO and gone "Probably town but there's some concerns there" then gone "I'm going to make a huge case on ReplacedIn being mafia" and all this before you've even taken a look at my ISO yourself. It's not how town players scumhunt or approach games

Ya know
this is like
very similar to how I ~Play the game~

ISO · Post Post #2352 (ISO) » Mon Jul 24, 2017 6:43 pm

Forty-third Votecount

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(Fourth Votecount D5

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ReplacedIn - 1 (Alisae)

Alisae - 1 (ReplacedIn)

Not Voting - 3 (EeveeLution Army, aronagrundy, iDanyboy)

With

5

alive, it takes

3

to lynch.

Day 5's deadline is Monday, August 14th, @ 4:30 PM PDT: (expired on 2017-08-14 19:30:26).

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iDanyboy · Post Post #2353 (ISO) » Tue Jul 25, 2017 12:56 am

In post 2335, Alisae wrote: If you are going to force me to forget about my reads just to appease you, then yes, I will go about it as if I am trying to tilt you. Because I quite frankly hate it when someone tells me my reads are shit.
And hate it when someone tells me to go back to the newbie queue.
And you think I am trying to tilt you?
YOU TILTED ME IF ANYTHING
And it just seems like you planned that trap just to use it against me. Becuase you probably figured I would act that way.
It's manipulative, I'll give you that.

No he hasn't you have, especially by revealing his main and trying to goad him.

I don't like how he townread's Eeve, I found her very scummy and she was my top scum read after massive. She also ignored the posts from 813-2233, which doesn't seem genuine to me. His auto-townread of Eeve plus the fact that his trying to 'fight' with with ReplacedIn and then say RI started it is what makes me scumread him.

In post 2349, ReplacedIn wrote:Effectively what I'm saying is, you've gone from "I scum read ReplacedIn, 1v1" almost instantly upon our interaction at daystart, then gone through Eeves ISO and gone "Probably town but there's some concerns there" then gone "I'm going to make a huge case on ReplacedIn being mafia" and all this before you've even taken a look at my ISO yourself. It's not how town players scumhunt or approach games, it's you having conclusion -> twisting the actual posts inside the game to back up said prior conclusion ie. pushing a prior narrative.

Anyway pretty much just waiting on iDanny & Arona to come in here now, should be pretty clear to them you're scum.

Agree, Will most likely be voting Alisae but would like to hear from Arona first.

Alisae · Post Post #2354 (ISO) » Tue Jul 25, 2017 1:16 am

In post 2353, iDanyboy wrote:She also ignored the posts from 813-2233, which doesn't seem genuine to me.

I think you just have problems with how I get reads.

iDanyboy · Post Post #2355 (ISO) » Tue Jul 25, 2017 1:27 am

Maybe, but her posts on Day 4 are pretty scummy and you just seem to be ingnoring them.

Alisae · Post Post #2356 (ISO) » Tue Jul 25, 2017 1:34 am

In post 2355, iDanyboy wrote:Maybe, but her posts on Day 4 are pretty scummy and you just seem to be ingnoring them.

Okay.
I decided not to sleep so we can talk.

Why do you find her posts scummy?

ReplacedIn · Post Post #2357 (ISO) » Tue Jul 25, 2017 1:34 am

Pretty much what Danny said; Would argue the most important information inside the game can be found between D2-D4 given we had two scum lynches during that period of time and had situations where people had to discern between lynching FF or Chickadee which we know was T/S now and FF or Massive which we also now know was T/S, there's effectively zero commentary or analysis on Eeves play during that period of time from you.

Anyway just waiting on Arona to turn up and vote Alisea and we can end this game.

Alisae · Post Post #2358 (ISO) » Tue Jul 25, 2017 1:35 am

Also why do you find revealing alts to be scummy
If anything it's like super NAI

Alisae · Post Post #2359 (ISO) » Tue Jul 25, 2017 1:36 am

In post 2353, iDanyboy wrote:No he hasn't you have, especially by revealing his main and trying to goad him.

If anything his interactions with me at the start of day and before this push most likely infers he has more information then me.
Specificly about my alignment.

iDanyboy · Post Post #2360 (ISO) » Tue Jul 25, 2017 1:46 am

In post 2358, Alisae wrote:Also why do you find revealing alts to be scummy
If anything it's like super NAI

You trying to make RI angry is what I find scummy.

Onto Eeve, his voting of FF over Chick who was the optimal choice and his hesitance in voting massive.

In post 2359, Alisae wrote:If anything his interactions with me at the start of day and before this push most likely infers he has more information then me.
Specificly about my alignment.

Please explain.

EeveeLution Army · Post Post #2361 (ISO) » Tue Jul 25, 2017 1:49 am

Wait wait Dany so you scumread alisae for not agreeing with your scumread?

Alisae · Post Post #2362 (ISO) » Tue Jul 25, 2017 1:51 am

In post 2360, iDanyboy wrote:
In post 2358, Alisae wrote:Also why do you find revealing alts to be scummy
If anything it's like super NAI
You trying to make RI angry is what I find scummy.

Onto Eeve, his voting of FF over Chick who was the optimal choice and his hesitance in voting massive.

In post 2359, Alisae wrote:If anything his interactions with me at the start of day and before this push most likely infers he has more information then me.
Specificly about my alignment.
Please explain.

Okay, why is that scummy and why would I do that?

Can you show me.
tbh I might have missed it.

And okay sure
basicly when me and Regfan were talking about setup spec, he was bascily telling me that I was an idiot for suggesting such a thing.
Like at the time
he wasn't attempting to sort my alignment from that
he was just focusing on telling me that I was wrong.
And because of that it shows that he knows I'm town.

ReplacedIn · Post Post #2363 (ISO) » Tue Jul 25, 2017 1:56 am

In post 2361, EeveeLution Army wrote:Wait wait Dany so you scumread alisae for not agreeing with your scumread?

Not at all what he's saying; what he's getting at is that Alisaes assessment and read on you ignores most of the more important factors and sections in the game. It's a read that doesn't really fit what's happened and Frogger did a similar thing with FF in that his confidence in FF being town while ignoring the guilty etc that was put forward on him felt like him attempting to pocket FF rather than him scumhunting, the way that he turned around on FF when he became a required lynch was a huge scum tell and I imagine Alisae will do the same in regards to you.

To make it clearer; Froggers stance/confidence/reasoning on FF initially and Alisae's on you is so far away from anyone elses in the game that it's coming from mafia.

Alisae · Post Post #2364 (ISO) » Tue Jul 25, 2017 2:07 am

In post 2363, ReplacedIn wrote:
In post 2361, EeveeLution Army wrote:Wait wait Dany so you scumread alisae for not agreeing with your scumread?
Look at me pocket weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Alisae · Post Post #2365 (ISO) » Tue Jul 25, 2017 2:08 am

The conftown can explain for himself I don't think he needs you interjecting.

iDanyboy · Post Post #2366 (ISO) » Tue Jul 25, 2017 2:41 am

@Eeve ReplacedIn's post sums it up quite nicely.

In post 1578, EeveeLution Army wrote:VOTE: formerfish i want this inspect mess cleaned up

In post 1581, EeveeLution Army wrote:Then scum roleblocker is 100% confirmed and we can move from there

This is his reason for voting FF over Chick who both had gulities on them. Voting Chick was the best choice as he was confirmed scum while FF's guilty could of been due to a roleblock or him being scum.

During the last day his reads had to be forced out of him and he was still hesitant on voting massive.

I don't know how you could see this and town read him.

In post 2362, Alisae wrote:Okay, why is that scummy and why would I do that?

Because your ignoring the possibilities that Eeve could be scum and trying to make it into a '1v1' and trying to make it into a shouting match.

In post 2362, Alisae wrote: basicly when me and Regfan were talking about setup spec, he was bascily telling me that I was an idiot for suggesting such a thing.
Like at the time
he wasn't attempting to sort my alignment from that
he was just focusing on telling me that I was wrong.
And because of that it shows that he knows I'm town.

What posts did you have at that point of the game where he could sort you? He was giving you the layout of the game and then you turned into calling him condescending and trying to change it into a fight of personalities.

Alisae · Post Post #2367 (ISO) » Tue Jul 25, 2017 2:50 am

In post 2366, iDanyboy wrote:This is his reason for voting FF over Chick who both had gulities on them. Voting Chick was the best choice as he was confirmed scum while FF's guilty could of been due to a roleblock or him being scum.

During the last day his reads had to be forced out of him and he was still hesitant on voting massive.

I don't know how you could see this and town read him.

I didn't
but tbh
even seeing that
I still townread him
it's the tone.

What he's doing there is scummy
the way he's doing it is towny.

Like, I see it and I think "okay, this is probably Town!Eevee just fed up with everything right now."
Mostly because I buy the frustration that's being conveyed.

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In post 2366, iDanyboy wrote:Because your ignoring the possibilities that Eeve could be scum and trying to make it into a '1v1' and trying to make it into a shouting match.

Why would I ignore them? Wouldn't it just be better if I kept my options open?
You still haven't answer the question of why I would do that as scum.

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In post 2366, iDanyboy wrote:What posts did you have at that point of the game where he could sort you? He was giving you the layout of the game and then you turned into calling him condescending and trying to change it into a fight of personalities.

The post where I tried to analyize Arona's claim just via setup spec and not how they claimed. They could have easily attempt to sort me from that right there and then. They didn't.

iDanyboy · Post Post #2368 (ISO) » Tue Jul 25, 2017 3:07 am

Spoiler:

Howso? What makes you think he is frustrated and what does he have to be frustrated about?
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Because your just trying to get RI lynched your not trying to sort the rest of the players mainly Eeve. This is shown by the fact that you didn't even see his posts above which makes me think your not trying to sort him.
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I couldn't read you either until you voted for RI so I have to disagree with you on that.
What's you current state of mind regarding the set-up spec, still think arona could be scum.

Alisae · Post Post #2369 (ISO) » Tue Jul 25, 2017 3:13 am

In post 2368, iDanyboy wrote:
Spoiler:
In post 2367, Alisae wrote:
In post 2366, iDanyboy wrote:This is his reason for voting FF over Chick who both had gulities on them. Voting Chick was the best choice as he was confirmed scum while FF's guilty could of been due to a roleblock or him being scum.

During the last day his reads had to be forced out of him and he was still hesitant on voting massive.

I don't know how you could see this and town read him.
I didn't
but tbh
even seeing that
I still townread him
it's the tone.

What he's doing there is scummy

the way he's doing it is towny.

Like, I see it and I think "okay, this is probably Town!Eevee just fed up with everything right now."
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Mostly because I buy the frustration that's being conveyed.

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In post 2366, iDanyboy wrote:Because your ignoring the possibilities that Eeve could be scum and trying to make it into a '1v1' and trying to make it into a shouting match.
Why would I ignore them? Wouldn't it just be better if I kept my options open?
You still haven't answer the question of why I would do that as scum.

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In post 2366, iDanyboy wrote:What posts did you have at that point of the game where he could sort you? He was giving you the layout of the game and then you turned into calling him condescending and trying to change it into a fight of personalities.
The post where I tried to analyize Arona's claim just via setup spec and not how they claimed. They could have easily attempt to sort me from that right there and then. They didn't.

Howso? What makes you think he is frustrated and what does he have to be frustrated about?
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Because your just trying to get RI lynched your not trying to sort the rest of the players mainly Eeve. This is shown by the fact that you didn't even see his posts above which makes me think your not trying to sort him.
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I couldn't read you either until you voted for RI so I have to disagree with you on that.
What's you current state of mind regarding the set-up spec, still think arona could be scum.

Loyal Cop WIFOM. Was the Loyal Cop roleblocked or did it have a guilty?
1581 just screams "Okay, can we move on with our fucking lives" tonally.
Eevee needed a flip to work with is what I am assuming here.
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Okay but how does getting into a screaming match accomplish this?
What incentive do I have for this?
You're missing incentive and tactics here.
You also didn't answer my question about leaving my options open here.
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Un
you can easily grab my alignment from the posts before I voted Regfan.
So we'll just agree to disagree there.

Right now just setup spec wise, I just think RI is a roleblocker that fakeclaimed and softed ascetic a bunch to get potential investigatives away from him.

Alisae · Post Post #2370 (ISO) » Tue Jul 25, 2017 3:17 am

In post 2252, EeveeLution Army wrote:It's probably nothing but if me/massive/frogger flip town i say question him a bit more tbh.

This feels
really towny btw

Like
I feel like scum!Eevee would just have more certainity in them flipping town to just attempt to try to come off as confident.

iDanyboy · Post Post #2371 (ISO) » Tue Jul 25, 2017 3:29 am

In post 2369, Alisae wrote:Loyal Cop WIFOM. Was the Loyal Cop roleblocked or did it have a guilty?
1581 just screams "Okay, can we move on with our fucking lives" tonally.
Eevee needed a flip to work with is what I am assuming here.
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Okay but how does getting into a screaming match accomplish this?
What incentive do I have for this?
You're missing incentive and tactics here.
You also didn't answer my question about leaving my options open here.
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Un
you can easily grab my alignment from the posts before I voted Regfan.
So we'll just agree to disagree there.

Right now just setup spec wise, I just think RI is a roleblocker that fakeclaimed and softed ascetic a bunch to get potential investigatives away from him.

I agree, but I decided to leave it to the next day since we had confirmed scum. In what way is sorting out wifom better then lynching confirmed scum. Even after Eeve got a flip what work did she do?
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Your right that scum could of left things opened ended but there is no Town motivation for you to tunnel RI.
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ok

In post 2370, Alisae wrote:I feel like scum!Eevee would just have more certainity in them flipping town to just attempt to try to come off as confident.

Have you played with her before? What makes you think you can predict her scum play?

I don't understand why scumread RI either?

Alisae · Post Post #2372 (ISO) » Tue Jul 25, 2017 3:33 am

In post 2371, iDanyboy wrote:I agree, but I decided to leave it to the next day since we had confirmed scum. In what way is sorting out wifom better then lynching confirmed scum. Even after Eeve got a flip what work did she do?

Doesn't matter.
Chick wasn't getting anywhere near MyLo/LyLo with a guilty, so given that the timing doesn't matter as long as Chick is lynched somewhere down the road.

Alisae · Post Post #2373 (ISO) » Tue Jul 25, 2017 3:35 am

In post 2371, iDanyboy wrote:Have you played with her before? What makes you think you can predict her scum play?

I don't understand why scumread RI either?

I don't need to. Confidence is towny. Just sounding confidence makes people more likely to follow you.

I don't understand the 2nd bit. Is that refering to my own read on them?

iDanyboy · Post Post #2374 (ISO) » Tue Jul 25, 2017 3:37 am

Yes, could you explain your read on RI.