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Post Post #2450 (ISO) » Thu Jul 27, 2017 11:33 am

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Can we not mention that game, I sucked at scum hunting iirc
Maybe some of my original FOSes were okay but lategame I was shite
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Post Post #2451 (ISO) » Thu Jul 27, 2017 11:34 am

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Btw nothing's crossed the line so far in this postgame but just in case as probably my last modly reminder to you this game, please avoid shitting on players (or reviewers or backup mod; shitting on the mod is okay tho)--constructive criticism is good and is encouraged but it absolutely should be constructive since postgame is a place for positive feedback and commentary. <3
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Post Post #2452 (ISO) » Thu Jul 27, 2017 11:36 am

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Mastina reads were awful this game
deranged and incoherent
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Post Post #2453 (ISO) » Thu Jul 27, 2017 11:37 am

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Tbh the giveup was a bit of a bad play it wasnt gg yet. Although i an see why alisae did it, i was trying to hide my read there until i voted
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Post Post #2454 (ISO) » Thu Jul 27, 2017 11:37 am

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Don't really have any advice other than to remember that its just a game and you can press pause or log off at anytime :]
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Post Post #2455 (ISO) » Thu Jul 27, 2017 11:38 am

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Also btw mastina did you change avatars midway through the game?
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Post Post #2456 (ISO) » Thu Jul 27, 2017 11:40 am

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In post 2440, GreyICE wrote:
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You were both very recognizably town, but I feel like you could elevate your play a bit. Dany, you did some decent analysis, but you tend not to reach out to other players. If you think someone is town try working more with them. You aren't locked into a read, and you need to work together to win. Eevee, I feel like you were just flying on gut most of the time. I think you could benefit from sitting back and reading things more.
Hey you can't get manipulated if you don't reach out to other players. /s
Thanks for the feedback, I'll keep that in mind.
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Post Post #2457 (ISO) » Thu Jul 27, 2017 11:42 am

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The gut thing is a bad habit from PS! Cause alot of people don't take a huge amount of time into creating posts and normally it would be at the start of day.
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Post Post #2458 (ISO) » Thu Jul 27, 2017 11:42 am

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In post 2455, EeveeLution Army wrote:Also btw mastina did you change avatars midway through the game?
Multiple times.

I started with my favorite avatar, switched soon after to the avatar used for the speakeasy user popularity contest, transitioned from there to the sketch I intend to make my next avatar when it's fully colored (still working on that), then had some fun when implosion ran a filter on my avatar which I decided to use, but then caledfwitch blew me away with this absolutely amazing drawing which left me stunned, so it just DEMANDED me use it until such a time where something better could be produced. (Which is a long ways away. :P)
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Post Post #2459 (ISO) » Thu Jul 27, 2017 11:42 am

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Eevee I come from PS too btw!
but not the mafia room.
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Post Post #2460 (ISO) » Thu Jul 27, 2017 11:45 am

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Just realized. Another game that ended without reaching a 100 pages!

A rarity these days.
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Post Post #2461 (ISO) » Thu Jul 27, 2017 11:46 am

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In post 2459, Alisae wrote:Eevee I come from PS too btw!
but not the mafia room.
Oh, who are you there? I'm NitroNerd.
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Post Post #2462 (ISO) » Thu Jul 27, 2017 11:46 am

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Gamma
what did I just say about going back into the past.
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Post Post #2463 (ISO) » Thu Jul 27, 2017 11:48 am

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I am a good artist but i can't do art on the internet has to be paper pencil marker canvas and paint @mastina
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Post Post #2464 (ISO) » Thu Jul 27, 2017 11:50 am

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I do photoshop related stuff when it comes to art mostly just GFX.
tho I only do art for the games I mod because I can get into the headspace to do them in.
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Post Post #2465 (ISO) » Thu Jul 27, 2017 11:50 am

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I should actually make my avatar here one of my paintings
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Post Post #2466 (ISO) » Thu Jul 27, 2017 11:52 am

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In post 2462, Alisae wrote:Gamma
what did I just say about going back into the past.
I just wanna know who you are ;;-;;
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Post Post #2467 (ISO) » Thu Jul 27, 2017 11:53 am

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Inb4 Alisae is really a 30 year old FBI agent undercover..
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Post Post #2468 (ISO) » Thu Jul 27, 2017 11:54 am

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No I'm a loli-loving normie-murdering SK
That's what Cabd told me anyways.
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Post Post #2469 (ISO) » Thu Jul 27, 2017 11:54 am

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Rip painting too big to be an avatar
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Post Post #2470 (ISO) » Thu Jul 27, 2017 11:55 am

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I don't suggest shrinking it unless it's fairly small already
it'll just reduce the quality.
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Post Post #2471 (ISO) » Thu Jul 27, 2017 12:00 pm

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In post 2468, Alisae wrote:No I'm a loli-loving normie-murdering SK
That's what Cabd told me anyways.
I thought you said you didn't want to deal with the past :wink:
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Post Post #2472 (ISO) » Thu Jul 27, 2017 12:07 pm

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In post 2460, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Just realized. Another game that ended without reaching a 100 pages!
1873 also had that.

1900, however, in spite of having a vig (and therefore THEORETICALLY being a shorter game) was rather the opposite.

Incidentally, this marks the third mini normal in a row where I've had the game end on Day Five.
Overall, I'd say that's a reasonably decent time for a game to end and is loosely my approximate balance goal for a game: something not ending too soon (i.e., one team sweeps), and yet isn't going to go on forever either. (That'd be pretty hard to do in a mini normal anyway but even if I could encourage a gamestate like that and even if the players could create a gamestate like that, who the fuck would ever want to? :P)

For what it's worth I still maintain that the town's roles were over-valued. Not so strongly over-valued where I wouldn't give the scum defense against them. Maybe not even where I'd have the nonconsecutive roleblocker! (I was willing to move on that for good reason: while my sense of balance tends to be
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good, I am not omniscient and thus I am not perfect so I do accept reviewer feedback when it comes to slight adjustments like that.)

...But enough, where I wouldn't call the game townsided. The game was swingy--outlier situations with the power roles could lead to a ridiculously townsided/scumsided game. When you craft an investigative-heavy game, heavy swing is literally unavoidable; it's impossible to make an investigative-heavy game
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it. But in most outcomes, in the middle ground of what would most probably happen in the game, each faction had a loosely equal chance to win, depending on the exact night actions and the exact dayplay backing them.

I typically do not design around "what ifs" where a faction uses perfect actions and/or the opposite faction uses the worst actions. Those outliers are outliers for a reason: they are unlikely to happen. Which is why I didn't have a problem with the "what if the town gets three innos on N1?": yes that was possible. It was not exactly probable. (Especially given that on N1, the scum have two methods of stopping the three vital PRs from a pool of either 9 or 10 players. If a mislynch occurs on D1 and no PRs are outed, the mafia have a 2/3 chance of stopping at least one PR between their nightkill and their roleblock, because they have a pool of 3/9 which they can target twice within. Plus there's the chance of claims narrowing it down even further. Per Ascetic/VT claim, the pool decreases further. If anything the opposite was what I was concerned with, the mafia simply shutting down the town's power altogether between a full-roleblock and a nightkill.)

I design primarily around the middle ground, assuming neither optimal nor sub-optimal night actions from both factions--where average play is used rather than stellar play/shit play. And what we got this game was exactly that, average play rather than stellar play.
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Post Post #2473 (ISO) » Thu Jul 27, 2017 12:07 pm

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This game was fun to follow
I have officially retired this account. My new account is Virtuoso.
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Post Post #2474 (ISO) » Thu Jul 27, 2017 12:11 pm

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Fun game and ty mastina
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